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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bennymon on March 18, 2006, 06:32:32 pm
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hi folks im thinking of getting a new machine at carpex i saw the alltec advantage do any of you use it if so could you tell me if its worked well for you.i was also interested in the alltec aqua40 cheers
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Why would you go for alltec advantage?
Regards,
Arthur
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Better to go for a more powerful pump machine. 135psi as is the advantage is old hat now, apparrently alltec havent found a 300psi + pump that is reliable yet ???
Shame cos they are very reputable company with good cus service but their machine seems a little out of date now.
Dont like their new colour scheme either but thats me just moaning I guess :)
regards
stu
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i would go for a machine with a more powerful pump like a ninga saw them at the show good piece of kit
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imo you have to have good wand technique to use a 300 psi pump with 2 3 stage moters weither in series or parrell set up.I think a 2 vac set up is better balanced with 135 psi pump.
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Not knocking Alltec, good company, but they seem to have problems with their pumps, I used one a while ago and also know someone who is always complaining about the power of the pump.
Pump pressure is very importaint.
Rgds
Phil
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I think if you go portable then buy CFR
Regards
Arthur
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if you saw the cfr system at carpex then you know thats where to go i bought the perfect heat from karl who gives a really good service and a good deal. i got the machine the wonder wand and two cfr hand tools as well as the hand tool conversion kit for just over £3300 including vat 500 psi which can be used unlike some of the machine that cant lift the water out. karl aslo threw in chemicals
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alltec are just too out of date.try something with a higher psi.all alltec have done with the advantage is basically changed its name from pro plus.
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Who are CFR ??? any website please
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amtech based near brighton http://www.amtechuk.biz/
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Fascinating.............I've been extolling the virtues of the CFR machines for some time and usually got very negative feedback.
Good luck to you converts and I still maintain.........you will, or can, get as good a result as a t/m.
Don't know how the cfr is being marketted, but, when I first came accross the system, the recommended method, was ..............prespray 8-10 square metres...........aggitate with the Klanz machine.............extract with just water, preferably, warm.
Doing the above, but using dampened bonnets will also work for maintenance cleans.
cheers
rob m
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Who are CFR ??? any website please
Cleansmart also sells CFR machines (http://www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/CFR_carpet_cleaning_machines.html)
Regards,
Arthur
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I have been using Allltec Machines for about seven yrs now, and whilest i agree
Chris at Alltec does try and look after you if something goes wrong, thats no consolation if your halfway through a job and the pump has pact in. I have already
sead on this forum that i have gone through Pumps in 18 months. I was so fed up
with it i took it back to them last September to there credit they altered it inside,
and reternd the machine back to me the fallowing week like new, and was not charged a penny. Everything was ok till a fortnight ago then the pump started to lose
presure and i had to change the pump head AGAIN My humble oppinion is unless
they come up with some drastic solutions to rectify these problems there sales of machines will steadily go down. I for one will not be buying annother Alltec machine.
Take Care John
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Sorry that should have read gone through 3 pumps in 18 months.
Take Care John
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I have been using Allltec Machines for about seven yrs now, and whilest i agree
Chris at Alltec does try and look after you if something goes wrong, thats no consolation if your halfway through a job and the pump has pact in. I have already
sead on this forum that i have gone through Pumps in 18 months. I was so fed up
with it i took it back to them last September to there credit they altered it inside,
and reternd the machine back to me the fallowing week like new, and was not charged a penny. Everything was ok till a fortnight ago then the pump started to lose
presure and i had to change the pump head AGAIN My humble oppinion is unless
they come up with some drastic solutions to rectify these problems there sales of machines will steadily go down. I for one will not be buying annother Alltec machine.
try the amtech machines theur back up is second to none
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Thanks Pete thats just what i was thinking of doing,
Take Care John
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Once used it , you fall in love with it for the rest of your working life. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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What you need to do is ask some of the senior cleaners what they use, I know that Paul Pearce use's Advantages for his cleaning business. Its not just because he does their Training before anyone starts.
200 PSI pump was removed because of reliability problems and the 135psi pump was put back in and has resolved it. 135 not as powerful but machines does work well and looks miles better than some of the other machines such as the Ninja and Scorpion. Unfortunatley this does matter to customers as image does count as well.
Spoke with Chris at Carpex about this and he has said that they are working on an Upgrade for the pump. They do need to get a move on though and get this resolved.
Over to you Alltec, Robert stop selling Fastrack and get your machines going again as people are stating to knock your products in a big way.
I use one and have had no problems and am happy with it. Lots of different views on products because of who people are aligned to politicly.
CFR500 does look good though and cant wait to try it. Only wish they would stop using that molded plastic as it looks so rubbish after a few months
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I agree with you up to a point Neil, the 200psi pump as far as i know was never
introdused becouse if it had i would have wanted it. Instead like you sead the
135 psi was put in, were i disagree with you is when you say it sorted the problem out, as i know from my own exp it did not. And my main gripe with Alltec
now is wye has it taken so long for this to sink through. Could it be ( and this is were i comepleatly agree with you ) that like you say Robert Sounders has had other things on his mind. Not much point in paying over £3,000 on fastrack if
when you get the work you have to start praying that the machine is going to work ok is it. And that is wye as i have already sead my next machine will not be an Alltec.
Take Care John
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carpetclean
With resects your quote try the amtech machines theur back up is second to none how do you know, have you got one? Like there tooling and Powr-Flite
John R so you know carpetclean= pete
All customer feed back is good so why hasn’t Prochem taken this on board.
Len
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135 not as powerful but machines does work well and looks miles better than some of the other machines such as the Ninja and Scorpion. Unfortunatley this does matter to customers as image does count as well.
CFR500 does look good though and cant wait to try it. Only wish they would stop using that molded plastic as it looks so rubbish after a few months
You have got to be kidding, ...... Alltec's machine looks like it was designed in the early eighties ::) and using a 135psi is about as dated an option aswell. CAT and PUMPTEC are both U.S manufacturers with a great reputation for reliable & powerful porty pumps - Mr Saunders should know, he gets over to America enough.
Also if you wipe over the CFR machine with acid every now and then you'll find that it'll look like new. Works for my Ninja all the time. I wouldn't swap HDPE for marine fibreglass in a million years, no in fact a squillion years ;D
Stir stir
Alan
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I bought the Pro Plus and thought it was a good machine for about 6 months, even I would have to admit it is seriously lacking in performance and does now look dated.
Their website is useless as well.
But the customer back-up if anything goes wrong is very good, and I still use some of the chemicals.
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personaly i like all-tec machines, and every one seems to agree there pumps are now lacking power compared to the compitition.
i just dont get it,
there are having trouble finding relieable powerful pumps? ???
how have all the other manufactures managed it ???
can they not use the same pumps?
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200 PSI pump was removed because of reliability problems and the 135psi pump was put back in and has resolved it.
Neil, changing back to the 135psi did not resolve the problem, I know one guy who is very unhappy with regards to the pump on these machines.
Anyway, I would never buy a machine with only 135 psi.
Rgds
Phil
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when replacing i think you can use a sur-flo 135psi or flo-jet 135psi is it just one thats unrelieble?
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Len i only know Carpetclean Pete becouse knowing via the forum he had perchased a CFR machine i phoned him to find out for myself just what he thougt
about it. He was very helpfull, and i was gratefull for the feedback, as i may be buying annother machine this year. As for Prochem to be honest i do not know a
great deal about them other than what i have seen and read in there magazine
and from that i can only think that they are very much like the Alltec & Extracta
ect. In other words a bit behind the times compared to the new breed. However
if anyone out there in carpetcleaning land has a new Prochem dont be shy tell
us what you think about it.
Take Care John
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I was cheesed off I missed the Prowler, where were they?? Yep, CFR very impressive.
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Always had problems with Alltec pumps. I fitted a pump I bought from Extracta on my Pro Plus and has worked great since.
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alright len
i think it was you i met at carpex. yes i do have a perfect heat and karl is a great bloke who in my opinion cares about his customers i had a slight problem and he was great about it even upgrading the vacs for me free of charge so i can use my rdm what other company would do this !!?
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if you want feed back on prochem ask nick holman a man who worked there for many years and still deals with them but bearing in mind he still has mates there so his service is different to mine
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I am puzzled do Alltec use a special pump.
Why not buy pump elswhere, when replacing?
Is the space not large enough to upgrade to more powerful pump when origional needs replacing?
Someone said 135psi is best to start with, due to kowing how to use wand etc.
I believethat some companies market to Newbies.
Prochem seam tobe pushing Truckmounts.
In other words buy a portable see if you make it in this business then upgrade to a truckmount, that way you keep spending they keep making money, and creaming your earnings.
If if you ivested in a Franchise you could easily be paying £100 plus a week to the company and be compelled to buy new equipment.
I confer what Neil said Paul Pearce, said to me at a discovery day that in his opinion you do not need larger pump.so are we caught up in hype , mine is bigger than yours etc.
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A good and useful thread...........talking of '' seniors '' I'm even more senior than Paul Pearce
About 7-8 years ago there were a fair number of us who purchased the CFR machines......mainly the 400 psi and the only problem anyone had, at that time, was the casing was prone to cracking due to the flexing under power.
Amtech replaced all of these and altered the design, curing the problem.
A point worth making.............the 400 psi was seldom necessary and more often than not, we were working at 200 psi with superb results.
Were I not approaching 62 years and staying in the business, I would definitely choose CFR .............incidentally, the 1000 psi and ozone machines were available at that time.
cheers
rob m
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Just occurred to me.............some powders are very cruel to pumps and to jets.
rob m
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Gary
Could only attend on the Thursday, we were in the Ibis car park which in hindsight wasn't ideal.
I will be demonstrating the Prowler at the Flood School (Farnham)in April, exact dates to be confirmed. Also finance should be available this week.
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Ian i understand were you are comeing from ie wye not use a another pump
this is something i have thought about but decided against it. Mainly becouse
there could be problems with the way the fittings ect are inside. Maybe someone with an enginereing background would be able to sort it out. I decided
to just put up with it till i get a new machine. As has already been sead perhaps
if Robert Saunders had have put as much efert into sorting these kind of problems out as he has promoting Joe Polish and fast track ect, whell you know what i mean.
Take Care John
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Pete
John R put a spanner in the works by replying to you by name.
Sorry to question you, but as you probably know, on the forums who is who and who is not! That why I like real names, yes we did meet briefly, don’t you just love the two of them, hope Nick cleaned it before giving back.
With regards to Amtech aftercare service, have no doubt! Prochem’s questionable; Ashby’s never been a problem, think all of it is how you approach them and most importantly how the reply.
John R
Thought he had a brother.
Len
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now i can put a fave to the name . regards me i dont mind people knowing who i am peter reed from surrey perhaps i will put it on my profile to save confusion.
i escaped with all my booty as i went straight home was given a lift by a kind gentleman who brought the van. i here nick, chris, and gary went straight to the pub !!