Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: rosskesava on December 28, 2013, 07:48:16 pm
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From time to time members post stuff on here and I end up not having a clue what they're on about.
For instance, this which has now been locked:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180313.0
Can someone explain it to me. Am I the only one that cannot understand what is going on?
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180339.0
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180339.0
I know.... Trouble is that I think I must be simple. I can understand English but not CIU coded messages.
The original thread went from someone saying some great new poles were coming out next week but gave no more info to something about someone not being allowed to buy poles from Gardiners.
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This forum is not what it used to be.
Back in the day people just tore strips off each other without all this backdoor advertising and legal talk.
I have had enough.
;)
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Did windiewasher close the thread?
If so that is interesting.
Must have something to hide.
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Looks like there's one, probably two members on here intent on dissing the Gardiners products as much as possible then hyping up their own imported poles and comparing them directly with Gardiners. Somewhere along the road they've probably breached a legality in some way (Gardiners have a patent). Looks like the thread got locked pretty sharpish before the truth came out.
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Looks like there's one, probably two members on here intent on dissing the Gardiners products as much as possible then hyping up their own imported poles and comparing them directly with Gardiners. Somewhere along the road they've probably breached a legality in some way (Gardiners have a patent). Looks like the thread got locked pretty sharpish before the truth came out.
Thanks.
Next question, what did that have to do with the original posting which also didn't make sense which was:
'V-lite poles from aqua dapter
I will be buying some.'
???
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God knows ;D
Maybe Windywasher is waiting for his consignment from the same Chinese supplier?
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I have no intentions of copying gardiner poles or dissing gardiner poles,never have and never would.
Yes I closed the thread,no I have nothing to hide.
I don't see how a long thread slating poles or comparing poles can be good for anyone.
I have no poles to sell yet.Im not here for slanging matches with anyone.
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I have no intentions of copying gardiner poles or dissing gardiner poles,never have and never would.
Yes I closed the thread,no I have nothing to hide.
I don't see how a long thread slating poles or comparing poles can be good for anyone.
I have no poles to sell yet.Im not here for slanging matches with anyone.
Comparing poles is one of the reasons I'm on this forum along with
all other equipment if there's new poles to be compared to gardiners
I'm interested, but I am an slx man so they will need to be good,
I wouldn't change pole on price.
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I have no intentions of copying gardiner poles or dissing gardiner poles,never have and never would.
Yes I closed the thread,no I have nothing to hide.
I don't see how a long thread slating poles or comparing poles can be good for anyone.
I have no poles to sell yet.Im not here for slanging matches with anyone.
I get what your saying and yes the forum is great for peoples views on everything so that is upto the buyers and not the sellers.
Comparing poles is one of the reasons I'm on this forum along with
all other equipment if there's new poles to be compared to gardiners
I'm interested, but I am an slx man so they will need to be good,
I wouldn't change pole on price.
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I remember, (some of it) ;D
Someone bought Chinese poles didn't like Gardiners clamps and didn't want Alex's help with their quite old pole but insisted on complaining all over the forum. Someone else posted about the Chinese poles and compared prices to Gardiners (bit unfair really) then tried to order more Gardiners products to fit to their own Chinese pole and have hinted they will be importing them and selling them cheaply.
Gardiners understandably are unimpressed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
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Just seen that topic has been locked, I was really interested in that, not just reading up on the v lite poles but to see what was said in those emails, surely if the posts was locked before Alex had chance to post them up it makes the other party look like a liar? why was the post locked when everyone was happy to post replys?
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Business is business! I Hope whatever you have up your sleave windie works out for you mate..
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I remember, (some of it) ;D
Someone bought Chinese poles didn't like Gardiners clamps and didn't want Alex's help with their quite old pole but insisted on complaining all over the forum. Someone else posted about the Chinese poles and compared prices to Gardiners (bit unfair really) then tried to order more Gardiners products to fit to their own Chinese pole and have hinted they will be importing them and selling them cheaply.
Gardiners understandably are unimpressed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
I would think that it would have something to do with the clamps. It looks like one of those Chinese manufacturers have copied the Gardiner smart clamp. Not sure what the situation is with enforcing patents in China, but anyone importing product with these copy clamps could be liable for patent enfringement in the UK. Alex said something about it a couple of weeks ago. (Sorry it wasn't Alex, it was Stephen Fox regarding Facelift copied clamps. Their legal team goes after the importers and the guilty party has to pay their legal costs. The Chinese don't give a hoot about patents but they are inforceable in countries that do. So they can't do anything about the drug manufacturers but they will go after the dealers and users further down the supply chain.)
I also think you are right regarding suppling to a competitor. If I was a supplier like Alex I would also tell them to go to hell.
I once used to drive for a local bakery delivering bread and cakes to his local outlets when the manager was on holiday. One day a local coffee shop owner came in at 4.00 in the morning and took all of our scones as the coffee shop had forgotten to place an order for them from their regular supplier the day before. The baker who was in charge while the owner was away thought that selling all the scones one time was brilliant. We had harsh words over it.
Unfortunately, our customers were the ones that were inconvenienced as the regulars didn't get any scones that day. When the owner came back from holiday the baker got a right bollocking for doing that. And rightly so. Normally that coffee shop never bought anything from this bakery unless they were in trouble.
If I found out that the extreme brush I wanted wasn't available because a competitor had bought them all would not go down well with me. I wondered if the delay with the V Lite poles had anything to do with patent infringement TBH.
May have nothing to do with this though. ;)
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Business is business! I Hope whatever you have up your sleave windie works out for you mate..
As long as he keeps his 'nose clean'. Doesn't look like he started off on the best foot though.
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This is all slowly starting to make sense except, who is selling the V-Lite poles that are soon to be coming out and how do they fit into the story of the imported poles, clamps, patents, inuendo's and threats of possible exposure by posting emails and then as a result, a locked thread?
This is just like a soap on TV.
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I remember, (some of it) ;D
Someone bought Chinese poles didn't like Gardiners clamps and didn't want Alex's help with their quite old pole but insisted on complaining all over the forum. Someone else posted about the Chinese poles and compared prices to Gardiners (bit unfair really) then tried to order more Gardiners products to fit to their own Chinese pole and have hinted they will be importing them and selling them cheaply.
Gardiners understandably are unimpressed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
thats not quite right Mr Willis and you know it...kempy just didnt like
gardiners clamps had nothing bad to say about the pole sections or brushes
no real complaining at all. :)
Are you hoping for a new gardiners cap by anychance ;D
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I remember, (some of it) ;D
Someone bought Chinese poles didn't like Gardiners clamps and didn't want Alex's help with their quite old pole but insisted on complaining all over the forum. Someone else posted about the Chinese poles and compared prices to Gardiners (bit unfair really) then tried to order more Gardiners products to fit to their own Chinese pole and have hinted they will be importing them and selling them cheaply.
Gardiners understandably are unimpressed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
This is getting interesting.
The 50' poles being advertised on Ebay show a picture of a clamp with an internal spring which copies the Gardiner Smart clamp concept.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-Water-Fed-Pole-Carbon-Fibre-/321285385106#ht_0wt_0
It isn't the same exactly as you can see the spring through the gap, where the Gardiner clamps the spring is outside of the clamp. It would be interesting to know if this is a patent issue with Gardiners and whether CJ.EDDIE will attract the wrath of GPS.
Didn't the same supplier have some 45' poles on auction which hadn't met their reserve price yesterday? Did anyone notice?
I think that with the quality of poles around with Facelift and Gardiners, it has to be a chance taker to buy poles like this off ebay.
I remember in the early days a member on this forum was suppling brushes with a swivel. A few of us bought brushes, sent cheques, cheques cash, but no brushes came. Learnt from that.
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Reply to Gary:
??? No that's exactly how I see it. He wants to import his poles and fit Gardiners bits to them because he likes their goosenecks, brushes and hose.
Which bit have I got wrong and 'know it'?
kempy has a real dislike about the clamps and refuses all offers of help but insists on complaining about them, Alex has offered to take the pole off his hands and inspect it. kempy won't let him.
My own feelings are it's most likely worn out.
We are talking about two people here Kempy the complainer and Windiwasher who hints at importing and selling. Both have Gardiners poles and both are pushing their Chinese import. However, compairing prices of probably inferior poles to Gardiners is probably not a good idea.
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Maybe Windiewasher is cj.eddie? ;D
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Reply to Gary:
??? No that's exactly how I see it. He wants to import his poles and fit Gardiners bits to them because he likes their goosenecks, brushes and hose.
Which bit have I got wrong and 'know it'?
kempy has a real dislike about the clamps and refuses all offers of help but insists on complaining about them, Alex has offered to take the pole off his hands and inspect it. kempy won't let him.
My own feelings are it's most likely worn out.
We are talking about two people here Kempy the complainer and Windiwasher who hints at importing and selling. Both have Gardiners poles and both are pushing their Chinese import. However, compairing prices of probably inferior poles to Gardiners is probably not a good idea.
+1
That's exactly how I see it also.
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Gardiners have to protect their business, likewise Ionics, Facelift and anyone else. Alex has put a lot of time and effort into research and development (and money) built up a good business with excellent after sales service, he's also patented some aspects and with good reason.
We can all become overnight pole suppliers, sell from our bedrooms with no overheads and offer bugger all after sales service. Lets put them all out of business ::)roll
But........ whilst we are undercutting the market lets fit all the other bits we really like from Gardiners like their really light carbon fibre goosenecks, swivels, brushes and pole hose. We'll keep using them for a while until something cheaper comes up.
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Just to clarify I tried to buy a few bits for my window cleaning poles and had nothing to do with any poles I will be selling.
also im not cj eddie.
All these assumptions are all wrong.
thank you
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Personally I don't see why any of you care.
Someone may or may not be selling poles, said poles may or may not infringe on copyright.
What difference does it make to any of you? When and if you need a new pole you will take a look at what is on the market and choose a pole that is suitable for you. You will choose an pole for a plethora of different reasons.
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Gardiners have to protect their business, likewise Ionics, Facelift and anyone else. Alex has put a lot of time and effort into research and development (and money) built up a good business with excellent after sales service, he's also patented some aspects and with good reason.
We can all become overnight pole suppliers, sell from our bedrooms with no overheads and offer bugger all after sales service. Lets put them all out of business ::)roll
Kempy imported a couple of poles for his own use from China which he is happy with.
The mistake he made IMHO is that he told everyone on another forum how the import duty was lower as the Chinese undervalued the poles on the documentation and sent them as a gift.
Doug Atkinson picked him up on that. Once he would import them above board and pay the correct duty, then it would only be worth while with a quantity order.
Some of this with Kempy's posts where also fueled by Richard from Tebuc who has imported a few poles (for his use?), and we know how he loves GPS.
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Just to clarify I tried to buy a few bits for my window cleaning poles and had nothing to do with any poles I will be selling.
also im not cj eddie.
All these assumptions are all wrong.
thank you
;D a joke!
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Personally I don't see why any of you care.
Someone may or may not be selling poles, said poles may or may not infringe on copyright.
What difference does it make to any of you? When and if you need a new pole you will take a look at what is on the market and choose a pole that is suitable for you. You will choose an pole for a plethora of different reasons.
I don't understand why you care what we care about? ;D
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Personally I don't see why any of you care.
Someone may or may not be selling poles, said poles may or may not infringe on copyright.
What difference does it make to any of you? When and if you need a new pole you will take a look at what is on the market and choose a pole that is suitable for you. You will choose an pole for a plethora of different reasons.
Perhaps we are bored? ;D
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Oh, so Ewan, Richard or whatever his name was from Tecbuk is involved too? No surprises there then. ;D
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Perhaps we are bored? ;D
Perhaps?
Why else would anyone be on CIU?
;)
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Oh, so Ewan, Richard or whatever his name was from Tecbuk is involved too? No surprises there then. ;D
Offering advice and encouragement.
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Gardiners have to protect their business, likewise Ionics, Facelift and anyone else. Alex has put a lot of time and effort into research and development (and money) built up a good business with excellent after sales service, he's also patented some aspects and with good reason.
We can all become overnight pole suppliers, sell from our bedrooms with no overheads and offer bugger all after sales service. Lets put them all out of business ::)roll
Kempy imported a couple of poles for his own use from China which he is happy with.
The mistake he made IMHO is that he told everyone on another forum how the import duty was lower as the Chinese undervalued the poles on the documentation and sent them as a gift.
Doug Atkinson picked him up on that. Once he would import them above board and pay the correct duty, then it would only be worth while with a quantity order.
Some of this with Kempy's posts where also fueled by Richard from Tebuc who has imported a few poles (for his use?), and we know how he loves GPS.
Aaahhhh, old Recardo (Tecbuk), the man who claimed he was the only supplier of a "purpose made" brush- when Gardiners had been doing just that for years! ;D The same man who reverse engineered a Gardiner pole & was going to manufacture a life changing pole himself- never happened. The same man who's wfp brush will do everything, including washing the dishes & walking the dog- with just one swipe!!! ;D ;D ;D
The same man who masqueraded as Ewan- & we all know how popular he was!! ;D ;D
This gets better ;D
Ha Haarrrrrrrrr ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just to clarify I tried to buy a few bits for my window cleaning poles and had nothing to do with any poles I will be selling.
also im not cj eddie.
All these assumptions are all wrong.
thank you
;D a joke!
can you please elaborate on your comments?
thank you very much
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Just to clarify I tried to buy a few bits for my window cleaning poles and had nothing to do with any poles I will be selling.
also im not cj eddie.
All these assumptions are all wrong.
thank you
;D a joke!
can you please elaborate on your comments?
thank yo
u very much
Regarding cj.eddie being you
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Who or what is GPS? Thanks.
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Who or what is GPS? Thanks.
A supplier of what many consider to be probably the best wfp equipment in the world!! ;D
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I think i'm a little simple....
So initially aqua adaptor were bringing out a new pole?(v-lite)
Now w washer has decided to sell his own poles but wanted to use other suppliers hose/brushes so techniqually they weren't his own pole he waa just mixing and matching?
In between all of this there is the secret email....
Now we may think w washer is already selling hos poles on ebay...
Also his replies have now gone very formal, where as before quite argumentative...
I conclusion.......this has more twists and turns than an agatha christie novel and i still dont know whats going on? ;D
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Right I am a window cleaner that needs poles and brushes etc.
I went to buy bits from gardiners for my own use.
in a month or 2 time I will be selling poles and will not be buying brushes or hoses from any other supplier.
I am not cj eddie.
I have no poles at the moment.
I hope this sinks into the mobs head.
thank you very much
I bid you all a good day.
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Gardiners have to protect their business, likewise Ionics, Facelift and anyone else. Alex has put a lot of time and effort into research and development (and money) built up a good business with excellent after sales service, he's also patented some aspects and with good reason.
We can all become overnight pole suppliers, sell from our bedrooms with no overheads and offer bugger all after sales service. Lets put them all out of business ::)roll
Kempy imported a couple of poles for his own use from China which he is happy with.
The mistake he made IMHO is that he told everyone on another forum how the import duty was lower as the Chinese undervalued the poles on the documentation and sent them as a gift.
Doug Atkinson picked him up on that. Once he would import them above board and pay the correct duty, then it would only be worth while with a quantity order.
Some of this with Kempy's posts where also fueled by Richard from Tebuc who has imported a few poles (for his use?), and we know how he loves GPS.
Aaahhhh, old Recardo (Tecbuk), the man who claimed he was the only supplier of a "purpose made" brush- when Gardiners had been doing just that for years! ;D The same man who reverse engineered a Gardiner pole & was going to manufacture a life changing pole himself- never happened. The same man who's wfp brush will do everything, including washing the dishes & walking the dog- with just one swipe!!! ;D ;D ;D
The same man who masqueraded as Ewan- & we all know how popular he was!! ;D ;D
This gets better ;D
Ha Haarrrrrrrrr ;D ;D ;D ;D
Richard was persuaded on another forum to build a lighter Aerial brush using the same bristles but a stock made from carbon fibre. However it has died a death despite the thread being resurrected a couple of times.
Richard doesn't seem to get the fact that to be successful you need to build and supply what the buyers want not what he thinks they should have. He doesn't take criticism kindly.
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Right I am a window cleaner that needs poles and brushes etc.
I went to buy bits from gardiners for my own use.
in a month or 2 time I will be selling poles and will not be buying brushes or hoses from any other supplier.
I am not cj eddie.
I have no poles at the moment.
I hope this sinks into the mobs head.
thank you very much
I bid you all a good day.
So why are you buying some V Lites next week?
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Right I am a window cleaner that needs poles and brushes etc.
I went to buy bits from gardiners for my own use.
in a month or 2 time I will be selling poles and will not be buying brushes or hoses from any other supplier.
I am not cj eddie.
I have no poles at the moment.
I hope this sinks into the mobs head.
thank you very much
I bid you all a good day.
So why are you buying some V Lites next week?
might buy a pole because I need one for window cleaning as I want a new pole
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Could Windiewasher be Stephen from Aquadapter? ;D ;D ;D
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^^^I smell a field full of cow pats here.
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^^^I smell a field full of cow pats here.
;D ;D ;D
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Look guys chill out. Any posts that go against or in competition with a certain supplier of poles and accessories gets the same few knickers in a twist.
Put your phones down or tablets laptops or pc down
relax
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Look guys chill out. Any posts that go against or in competition with a certain supplier of poles and accessories gets the same few knickers in a twist.
Put your phones down or tablets laptops or pc down
relax
Oh Dear,
Shame you can't close the thread, like you did to your last one when Alex Gardiner offered to reveal all....
Last post of that thread......
"Whilst I do not think that this is the place to discuss legal business between us, I could quote my original email to you of the 13th of December and your inability to answer it (and several other email questions) in a straightforward manner or transparent way. Are you happy for me to quote the contents of these exchanges publicly or shall we leave it at that?" .
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Im not really bothered fella,im just bored.
My last words are it ALL COMES FROM CHINA.
bye
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I miss Ewan and his valuable input on here.
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Im not really bothered fella,im just bored.
My last words are it ALL COMES FROM CHINA.
bye
Don't forget your dummy ;D.
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Jeepers. I'm now confused about being confused the first time around.
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I miss Ewan and his valuable input on here.
;D ;D ;D
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I just dont get why you'd buy a pole in 2 weeks (and go to the trouble of telling everyone how fantastic you think they'll be, when you haven't even held one) when your going to be selling yours in a month or so......
If i was selling new poles in a month ish, i wouldn't be advertising the competions....
Or are they actually competition, and you are holding one as we speak......? ;D
The rest of which doesn't bother me, sell poles if you like, and good luck
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guys, give him a break, windiewasher is a nice bloke.
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Oh, so Ewan, Richard or whatever his name was from Tecbuk is involved too? No surprises there then. ;D
Offering advice and encouragement.
That idea will never catch on whilst there is bitchin to be done..
;D ;D ;D
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Looks like there's one, probably two members on here intent on dissing the Gardiners products as much as possible then hyping up their own imported poles and comparing them directly with Gardiners. Somewhere along the road they've probably breached a legality in some way (Gardiners have a patent). Looks like the thread got locked pretty sharpish before the truth came out.
Ewan's modus operandi.
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Gardiners have to protect their business, likewise Ionics, Facelift and anyone else. Alex has put a lot of time and effort into research and development (and money) built up a good business with excellent after sales service, he's also patented some aspects and with good reason.
We can all become overnight pole suppliers, sell from our bedrooms with no overheads and offer bugger all after sales service. Lets put them all out of business ::)roll
Kempy imported a couple of poles for his own use from China which he is happy with.
The mistake he made IMHO is that he told everyone on another forum how the import duty was lower as the Chinese undervalued the poles on the documentation and sent them as a gift.
Doug Atkinson picked him up on that. Once he would import them above board and pay the correct duty, then it would only be worth while with a quantity order.
Some of this with Kempy's posts where also fueled by Richard from Tebuc who has imported a few poles (for his use?), and we know how he loves GPS.
Aaahhhh, old Recardo (Tecbuk), the man who claimed he was the only supplier of a "purpose made" brush- when Gardiners had been doing just that for years! ;D The same man who reverse engineered a Gardiner pole & was going to manufacture a life changing pole himself- never happened. The same man who's wfp brush will do everything, including washing the dishes & walking the dog- with just one swipe!!! ;D ;D ;D
The same man who masqueraded as Ewan- & we all know how popular he was!! ;D ;D
This gets better ;D
Ha Haarrrrrrrrr ;D ;D ;D ;D
Richard was persuaded on another forum to build a lighter Aerial brush using the same bristles but a stock made from carbon fibre. However it has died a death despite the thread being resurrected a couple of times.
Richard doesn't seem to get the fact that to be successful you need to build and supply what the buyers want not what he thinks they should have. He doesn't take criticism kindly.
Absolutely nothing's changed then?? ;D ;D
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Jeepers. I'm now confused about being confused the first time around.
See it's all your fault!
;D
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Reply to Gary:
??? No that's exactly how I see it. He wants to import his poles and fit Gardiners bits to them because he likes their goosenecks, brushes and hose.
Which bit have I got wrong and 'know it'?
kempy has a real dislike about the clamps and refuses all offers of help but insists on complaining about them, Alex has offered to take the pole off his hands and inspect it. kempy won't let him.
My own feelings are it's most likely worn out.
We are talking about two people here Kempy the complainer and Windiwasher who hints at importing and selling. Both have Gardiners poles and both are pushing their Chinese import. However, compairing prices of probably inferior poles to Gardiners is probably not a good idea.
not looking for a dispute here with this one...but if i remember correctly
somebody other than kempy put up a post about buying chinese poles
asked for any info.
Kempy replied as he had bought a couple...was happy with the saving
he had made and preffered the clamp type,alex gardiner offered help
which he declined as he was happy with what he had
he made abundantly clear he had no issue with gardiners or their
products it was just a personal choice.
He was then roundly attackedpointlessly by all who want bear alex
gardiners children(the man must be terrified to go out with all the stalkers)
plus the halfwit frenchman Bendover ;D
unfortunately kempy decided to defend himself,instead of ignoring
idiots,which got bendover a little excited.
It all got a bit silly and i verbally slapped old bendover round a little
thats the gist of it ;D
The windiewasher situation i havent got a clue about
Hope this helps ;)
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Reply to Gary:
??? No that's exactly how I see it. He wants to import his poles and fit Gardiners bits to them because he likes their goosenecks, brushes and hose.
Which bit have I got wrong and 'know it'?
kempy has a real dislike about the clamps and refuses all offers of help but insists on complaining about them, Alex has offered to take the pole off his hands and inspect it. kempy won't let him.
My own feelings are it's most likely worn out.
We are talking about two people here Kempy the complainer and Windiwasher who hints at importing and selling. Both have Gardiners poles and both are pushing their Chinese import. However, compairing prices of probably inferior poles to Gardiners is probably not a good idea.
not looking for a dispute here with this one...but if i remember correctly
somebody other than kempy put up a post about buying chinese poles
asked for any info.
Kempy replied as he had bought a couple...was happy with the saving
he had made and preffered the clamp type,alex gardiner offered help
which he declined as he was happy with what he had
he made abundantly clear he had no issue with gardiners or their
products it was just a personal choice.
He was then roundly attackedpointlessly by all who want bear alex
gardiners children(the man must be terrified to go out with all the stalkers)
plus the halfwit frenchman Bendover ;D
unfortunately kempy decided to defend himself,instead of ignoring
idiots,which got bendover a little excited.
It all got a bit silly and i verbally slapped old bendover round a little
thats the gist of it ;D
The windiewasher situation i havent got a clue about
Hope this helps ;)
You are wrong Gary. DaveW has it bang on! ;)
Kempy has persistently pursued, at every opportunity the public rubbishing of Gardiner clamps!! EVEN after being offered a solution way, way beyond even excellent levels of customer support by the supplier!
There's having having a bee in your bonnet & then there's obsession with a freaky twist!! ;D
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again like i said he just gotcarried away with defending himself
and let a few on here who are only allowed out at weekends get
to him.
I personally have no issue with any suppliers poles...i make my
own..but dont worry i dont intend to sell them
would want some of you geting your knickers in atwist ;D
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Reply to Gary:
??? No that's exactly how I see it. He wants to import his poles and fit Gardiners bits to them because he likes their goosenecks, brushes and hose.
Which bit have I got wrong and 'know it'?
kempy has a real dislike about the clamps and refuses all offers of help but insists on complaining about them, Alex has offered to take the pole off his hands and inspect it. kempy won't let him.
My own feelings are it's most likely worn out.
We are talking about two people here Kempy the complainer and Windiwasher who hints at importing and selling. Both have Gardiners poles and both are pushing their Chinese import. However, compairing prices of probably inferior poles to Gardiners is probably not a good idea.
not looking for a dispute here with this one...but if i remember correctly
somebody other than kempy put up a post about buying chinese poles
asked for any info.
Kempy replied as he had bought a couple...was happy with the saving
he had made and preffered the clamp type,alex gardiner offered help
which he declined as he was happy with what he had
he made abundantly clear he had no issue with gardiners or their
products it was just a personal choice.
He was then roundly attackedpointlessly by all who want bear alex
gardiners children(the man must be terrified to go out with all the stalkers)
plus the halfwit frenchman Bendover ;D
unfortunately kempy decided to defend himself,instead of ignoring
idiots,which got bendover a little excited.
It all got a bit silly and i verbally slapped old bendover round a little
thats the gist of it ;D
The windiewasher situation i havent got a clue about
Hope this helps ;)
^^^^
Kempy's little dog is back ;)
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haven't read all the Kempy posts, so can't comment, but I do know him from years of posting on another forum and a more genuine guy and helpful person I have known and I would take him at his word before some on here.
and I trust gary 999 has read it right on this forum as he tends to get things right as well as do a few others
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haven't read all the Kempy posts, so can't comment, but I do know him from years of posting on another forum and a more genuine guy and helpful person I have known and I would take him at his word before some on here.
and I trust gary 999 has read it right on this forum as he tends to get things right as well as do a few others
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D pmsl
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i see old bendover is chicken choking again :)
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By all means as you know you do not have to answer this question, but IMO, alot of this debate has come about from 'GPS's' refusal to do business with Windiewash!
SO THE QUESTION IS= How much of the heavily discounted pole hose did you try and buy?
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By all means as you know you do not have to answer this question, but IMO, alot of this debate has come about from 'GPS's' refusal to do business with Windiewash!
SO THE QUESTION IS= How much of the heavily discounted pole hose did you try and buy?
1x12 metres of hose for my pole,doesn't matter I got some from pure freedom.Much better customer service from them.
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1x12 metres of hose for my pole,doesn't matter I got some from pure freedom.Much better customer service from them.
You mean they actually let you buy some without exchanging emails first?
;D
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1x12 metres of hose for my pole,doesn't matter I got some from pure freedom.Much better customer service from them.
You mean they actually let you buy some without exchanging emails first?
;D
no I could ring them up and ask them for the order and they had it ready with the other bits I collected too
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I was wrong then! Im OUT of this topic then! ::)roll
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I was wrong then! Im OUT of this topic then! ::)roll
thats ok mate.
im not having a go at you m8.
But I have to laugh how some make assumptions and hurl the abuse on this forum.
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I had made that assumption. Apologies.
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I had made that assumption. Apologies.
thats fine mate,you asked a question not like the rest,they add 2 and 2 and come up with 100.
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Hi , just read all this post and I'm amazed . Gary 999 thanks for posting some good replies .
I'm a window cleaner that uses several suppliers , my poles are made up from several suppliers .
I have no hidden agenda
I bought from China after good advice from KevC as I couldn't afford £600+ for a 45 ft pole .
So I used my own initive , my own keypad and communicated and bought some poles through my research and decision making .
Very happy
Paid all the Taxes , probably 20% of the full price as this was declared through the postage company . Not me .
Reference the Gardiners clamps - as you all know I think their terrible in operation , but great for longevity of your old poles . I PERSERVERE with them on my slx 30ft pole . As for Alex Gardiner the offer to take my pole was nice of him but not required . I fitted them right , used the loctite superseded bolts that he sent me and still the operation of them disappoints me . My thoughts and opinion .
I buy regular from Gardiners , quick loq , cill brushes etc so I have no problem with Gardiners . I'm not the only one to dislike the operation of the clamp.
I just try and take the best stuff from various suppliers , common sense I feel and my own right to do so being the customer .
Gardiners are great suppliers and excellent custie service .
I simply bought another type of pole from another supplier and a few didn't like it and a few embraced it .
Sorry to the gardiner obsessed persons on here , I just bought a product that I felt offered me the user a better way to put water onto the window in a more " value for money " way
Amazed
A normal bloke , independent buyer
Kempy
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Hi , just read all this post and I'm amazed . Gary 999 thanks for posting some good replies .
I'm a window cleaner that uses several suppliers , my poles are made up from several suppliers .
I have no hidden agenda
I bought from China after good advice from KevC as I couldn't afford £600+ for a 45 ft pole .
So I used my own initive , my own keypad and communicated and bought some poles through my research and decision making .
Very happy
Paid all the Taxes , probably 20% of the full price as this was declared through the postage company . Not me .
Reference the Gardiners clamps - as you all know I think their terrible in operation , but great for longevity of your old poles . I PERSERVERE with them on my slx 30ft pole . As for Alex Gardiner the offer to take my pole was nice of him but not required . I fitted them right , used the loctite superseded bolts that he sent me and still the operation of them disappoints me . My thoughts and opinion .
I buy regular from Gardiners , quick loq , cill brushes etc so I have no problem with Gardiners . I'm not the only one to dislike the operation of the clamp.
I just try and take the best stuff from various suppliers , common sense I feel and my own right to do so being the customer .
Gardiners are great suppliers and excellent custie service .
I simply bought another type of pole from another supplier and a few didn't like it and a few embraced it .
Sorry to the gardiner obsessed persons on here , I just bought a product that I felt offered me the user a better way to put water onto the window in a more " value for money " way
Amazed
A normal bloke , independent buyer
Kempy
Out of interest what sort of price are you looking at for 45 foot pole? i really could do with one but only have hand full of jobs that i would use it on so i can't justify paying £600 odd plus vat from gardiners or facelift etc.
If you don't wish to post it here could you drop me an email voi-p@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks
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Hi , just read all this post and I'm amazed . Gary 999 thanks for posting some good replies .
I'm a window cleaner that uses several suppliers , my poles are made up from several suppliers .
I have no hidden agenda
I bought from China after good advice from KevC as I couldn't afford £600+ for a 45 ft pole .
So I used my own initive , my own keypad and communicated and bought some poles through my research and decision making .
Very happy
Paid all the Taxes , probably 20% of the full price as this was declared through the postage company . Not me .
Reference the Gardiners clamps - as you all know I think their terrible in operation , but great for longevity of your old poles . I PERSERVERE with them on my slx 30ft pole . As for Alex Gardiner the offer to take my pole was nice of him but not required . I fitted them right , used the loctite superseded bolts that he sent me and still the operation of them disappoints me . My thoughts and opinion .
I buy regular from Gardiners , quick loq , cill brushes etc so I have no problem with Gardiners . I'm not the only one to dislike the operation of the clamp.
I just try and take the best stuff from various suppliers , common sense I feel and my own right to do so being the customer .
Gardiners are great suppliers and excellent custie service .
I simply bought another type of pole from another supplier and a few didn't like it and a few embraced it .
Sorry to the gardiner obsessed persons on here , I just bought a product that I felt offered me the user a better way to put water onto the window in a more " value for money " way
Amazed
A normal bloke , independent buyer
Kempy
Out of interest what sort of price are you looking at for 45 foot pole? i really could do with one but only have hand full of jobs that i would use it on so i can't justify paying £600 odd plus vat from gardiners or facelift etc.
If you don't wish to post it here could you drop me an email voi-p@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks
lol
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Hi , just read all this post and I'm amazed . Gary 999 thanks for posting some good replies .
I'm a window cleaner that uses several suppliers , my poles are made up from several suppliers .
I have no hidden agenda
I bought from China after good advice from KevC as I couldn't afford £600+ for a 45 ft pole .
So I used my own initive , my own keypad and communicated and bought some poles through my research and decision making .
Very happy
Paid all the Taxes , probably 20% of the full price as this was declared through the postage company . Not me .
Reference the Gardiners clamps - as you all know I think their terrible in operation , but great for longevity of your old poles . I PERSERVERE with them on my slx 30ft pole . As for Alex Gardiner the offer to take my pole was nice of him but not required . I fitted them right , used the loctite superseded bolts that he sent me and still the operation of them disappoints me . My thoughts and opinion .
I buy regular from Gardiners , quick loq , cill brushes etc so I have no problem with Gardiners . I'm not the only one to dislike the operation of the clamp.
I just try and take the best stuff from various suppliers , common sense I feel and my own right to do so being the customer .
Gardiners are great suppliers and excellent custie service .
I simply bought another type of pole from another supplier and a few didn't like it and a few embraced it .
Sorry to the gardiner obsessed persons on here , I just bought a product that I felt offered me the user a better way to put water onto the window in a more " value for money " way
Amazed
A normal bloke , independent buyer
Kempy
Out of interest what sort of price are you looking at for 45 foot pole? i really could do with one but only have hand full of jobs that i would use it on so i can't justify paying £600 odd plus vat from gardiners or facelift etc.
If you don't wish to post it here could you drop me an email voi-p@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks
I really dont think it is worth buying 1 pole from china, you would have to buy a batch of them to make it pay and then you would have to sell them off.
I used to buy mini motos from china and sell, it was a side line to w/c. I would buy them in quantity and make £50 a bike. It wasnt worth it. All the hassle I got was not worth the money I made. If I put the time into windows instead of dealing with china and customs then I would have been better off. I even had to come back from holiday at one point to sort problems out. Never again.
My point is that you are better of just buying from the uk with a supplier who can give you instant customer service and postage back and forth isnt costing the earth or taking a month each way.
We all say on here that its a lot of money and we have all had to pay out for the better poles but we also all say that it was worth it.
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Hi Stuart M
Long time since you been on the other forum is it ?
Have a good festive season
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That's why I bought a 18ft pole to the much needed 45ft pole .
You do need to buy at least 2 , and the money saving is in the 45ft pole .
To buy say 2x 18ft poles probably isn't a big saving
Think KevinC bought 2x 23ft and 1x18ft and is more happier than me with them , and I'm ecstatic about my 45ft pole
KevinC is buying one of them come Summer I think .
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That's why I bought a 18ft pole to the much needed 45ft pole .
You do need to buy at least 2 , and the money saving is in the 45ft pole .
To buy say 2x 18ft poles probably isn't a big saving
Think KevinC bought 2x 23ft and 1x18ft and is more happier than me with them , and I'm ecstatic about my 45ft pole
KevinC is buying one of them come Summer I think .
I bought a 45ft and removed the sections I dont need, and use them when I need the 45ft height. Thats the best saving
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
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any links to the sites where you guys are buying them from?
wouldnt mind a browse!
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
Anyone????????
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any links to the sites where you guys are buying them from?
wouldnt mind a browse!
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1000435945/cleaning_products_manufacturers.html
at least 2 on here bought from this supplier,not me i only buy from uk supplier ;)
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Yep you can order any spares and come within 5 days . Had a bolt sent free of charge but in the end didn't need it .
As in the uk , you buy spares , just the same
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Have you got a link for these spares please?
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
I can confirm that the handles are insulated and all parts are from the supplier and obviously stock of spares would be bought in the event of replacement clamps needed.
thanks
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
I can confirm that the handles are insulated and all parts are from the supplier and obviously stock of spares would be bought in the event of replacement clamps needed.
thanks
windie, when do you get your poles?
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Sorry, also can you tell me what I should do for the 5 days waiting for 'a part' to fix my broken pole? Dont want to sound if I am having a go, but we are been encouraged by yourself (kempy) to try these out and they do 'seem' to be well priced, but, IMO the back up service of a product is as important as the price.
Thanks in advance.
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Is this stock held by the UK supplier or by the pole owner?
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I sense a saturation in the pole market, good for us ;D anyone willing to
take a punt could make a few quid (w/w) I'm sure they will sell ;)
Gardiners I don't think have anything to fear as has already
been pointed out Alex is more than a few steps ahead of
other suppliers the major advantage he has is a trustworthy
after sales service which takes years to achieve.
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
I can confirm that the handles are insulated and all parts are from the supplier and obviously stock of spares would be bought in the event of replacement clamps needed.
thanks
windie, when do you get your poles?
first batch will be February m8.
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Sorry, also can you tell me what I should do for the 5 days waiting for 'a part' to fix my broken pole? Dont want to sound if I am having a go, but we are been encouraged by yourself (kempy) to try these out and they do 'seem' to be well priced, but, IMO the back up service of a product is as important as the price.
Thanks in advance.
I know this is a revolutionary idea but you could order
some spares when you order a pole :)
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
I can confirm that the handles are insulated and all parts are from the supplier and obviously stock of spares would be bought in the event of replacement clamps needed.
thanks
windie, when do you get your poles?
first batch will be February m8.
which kinds of poles mate?
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Can anyone tell me??
How do you get spare parts for these chinese poles?
Do they come with spare clamps and levers?
If I snap a section can I buy a replacement?
Can you buy replacement end caps?
Are the handles insulated against electric shock?
Thanks in advance.
I can confirm that the handles are insulated and all parts are from the supplier and obviously stock of spares would be bought in the event of replacement clamps needed.
thanks
windie, when do you get your poles?
first batch will be February m8.
which kinds of poles mate?
telescopic carbon fibre mate most sizes
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At mates rates matey?
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At mates rates matey?
dont start ;D
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i mean light like a clx,slx or xtreme?
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I've had them 4 months , nothing broken yet , the bolt was ok as I had just cross threaded it , but got away with it .
Absolutely no problems with this China Classic at all .
Hey just don't buy one if it's too much of a risk .
My two poles are great
KevinC poles x3 are great .
I can only comment on these 5 poles - 100% cock on .
The 45ft is the real big saving which is what I've always advocated ??
Just don't buy them if your worried , simples
If for any reason you had a fault , I emailed him , got invoiced and the poles were all in my front room within 4 or 5 days
The China CUSTIE service with a English lad over there don't mess about mate
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glsad ur still injoying ur china poles m8 ill b geting to 23ft and a 45ft at some point this summer
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Nice one , maybe some good offers come the summer from the Uk suppliers , prices reduced etc .
I feel the uk pole market is relatively priced ok Upto 25 ft poles and maybe 30 ft poles , but after that I think they are well well too overly priced .
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kev sent me some pix of his pole cant beleve how stiff it looked ide say it was as stiff as my facelift full carbon ,the price they r at the minit is very good
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I think they are very very strong the sections ,
Built to last
The clamps should be as well
Very well priced and a 45ft and 23ft will do you proud
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Sorry, also can you tell me what I should do for the 5 days waiting for 'a part' to fix my broken pole? Dont want to sound if I am having a go, but we are been encouraged by yourself (kempy) to try these out and they do 'seem' to be well priced, but, IMO the back up service of a product is as important as the price.
Thanks in advance.
I know this is a revolutionary idea but you could order
some spares when you order a pole :)
Do you order spare parts if you buy a new car?? ???
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Kempy, can you put up a picture of the poles you have please. Close ups etc?
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💤 and 💩
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Have you been sniffing your clamp glue Mick?
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Have you been sniffing your clamp glue Mick?
;D
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I've had them 4 months , nothing broken yet , the bolt was ok as I had just cross threaded it , but got away with it .
Absolutely no problems with this China Classic at all .
Hey just don't buy one if it's too much of a risk .
My two poles are great
KevinC poles x3 are great .
I can only comment on these 5 poles - 100% cock on .
The 45ft is the real big saving which is what I've always advocated ??
Just don't buy them if your worried , simples
If for any reason you had a fault , I emailed him , got invoiced and the poles were all in my front room within 4 or 5 days
The China CUSTIE service with a English lad over there don't mess about mate
Hi mate can I ask how much you paid for your poles with delivery and do u have any links to the seller?
Cheers pal
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I've had them 4 months , nothing broken yet , the bolt was ok as I had just cross threaded it , but got away with it .
Absolutely no problems with this China Classic at all .
Hey just don't buy one if it's too much of a risk .
My two poles are great
KevinC poles x3 are great .
I can only comment on these 5 poles - 100% cock on .
The 45ft is the real big saving which is what I've always advocated ??
Just don't buy them if your worried , simples
If for any reason you had a fault , I emailed him , got invoiced and the poles were all in my front room within 4 or 5 days
The China CUSTIE service with a English lad over there don't mess about mate
Hi mate can I ask how much you paid for your poles with delivery and do u have any links to the seller?
Cheers pal
check page 5 under my name, you have you answer regarding the link ;)
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Sorry, also can you tell me what I should do for the 5 days waiting for 'a part' to fix my broken pole? Dont want to sound if I am having a go, but we are been encouraged by yourself (kempy) to try these out and they do 'seem' to be well priced, but, IMO the back up service of a product is as important as the price.
Thanks in advance.
I know this is a revolutionary idea but you could order
some spares when you order a pole :)
Do you order spare parts if you buy a new car?? ???
for crying out loud...it was just an idea to get round
the 5day delay..i would say that all these carbon telescopic
poles generally need renewing clamps etc at some point
you would be ahead of the game.
obviously if you damage a section thats a different
story but hey ho :)
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wow that took some reading , I love my china pole just wish the gardiner sticker wouldn't wear off so quick ;D