Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: kevinc on December 28, 2013, 07:48:10 pm
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trying to reply on a new pole topic only it is locked?is is because alex has got involved?i always thought free speech was a god given right of being british(we have after-all fought so hard for our freedom and freedom of speach)why is this topic locked?
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I have locked it and just emailed alex.
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I have locked it and just emailed alex.
did you accept his offer about showing us the e-mail?
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do keep us informed mate
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I have locked it and just emailed alex.
did you accept his offer about showing us the e-mail?
no.but I will not be posting anymore about the poles until they are ready for sale.
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Jeepers. I must be stupid.
What poles? ???
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wise move ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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That was interesting.
;D
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I have locked it and just emailed alex.
did you accept his offer about showing us the e-mail?
no.but I will not be posting anymore about the poles until they are ready for sale.
That doesn't bode well Kev.
Surely you're just buying some poles from China and flogging them on?
Am I right in thinking you just wanted some of Alex's pole hose to run up 'em?
Whatever people are thinking is probably more negative than the content of the email.
If you do decide to show them, it may bode well for future custom...
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if kev is buying some poles from china-good on him,kev can buy his hose from wherever as his brushes from other suppliers,it seems someone has spat his dummy out and is threatening all sorts of things (that in my mind would be classed as a bully)we all know now that 99.9% of poles come from china-so what?
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Obviously this forum is biased if you can't mention other competitors other than sponsors, same with mentioning other forums as people have been banned for mentioning them.
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there seems to be a lot more going on than what we forum users can see,yes this forum is biased,that can be seen by the posts/topics and the way people are slated by useing other products by a small minority-thats why others have left to move on to other forums
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Obviously this forum is biased if you can't mention other competitors other than sponsors, same with mentioning other forums as people have been banned for mentioning them.
Has anyone been banned for doing either?
I can only remember members getting banned for being too abusive or insulting, etc or in one case, putting a link up to a crude porn site.
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I would assume that some sort of copyright law infringement has taken place, or some1 maybe has promoted their 'Chinese' pole as a Gardiners pole.
Alex seemed happy to talk publicly about it - not so windie 😷
Unfortunately I doubt we will hear the whole story...
And as a footnote, a seller has the right to refuse a sale to any person. For whatever reason, just like we don't have to clean a property.
Darran
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The only ones that seem to leave seem to be the ones that can't take a bit of banter/abuse and spit their dummies out before very publicly announcing they are leaving.
Cue most of us saying 'don't let the door bang you on the arse on the way out'
Then the dummy spitter creates a new id to log back in and see how much he is missed.
Which he never is.
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I would assume that some sort of copyright law infringement has taken place, or some1 maybe has promoted their 'Chinese' pole as a Gardiners pole.
Alex seemed happy to talk publicly about it - not so windie 😷
Unfortunately I doubt we will hear the whole story...
And as a footnote, a seller has the right to refuse a sale to any person. For whatever reason, just like we don't have to clean a property.
Darran
I seem to remember someone posting that the clamps on the Chinese pole looked like Gardiners clamps or something like it.
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The only ones that seem to leave seem to be the ones that can't take a bit of banter/abuse and spit their dummies out before very publicly announcing they are leaving.
Cue most of us saying 'don't let the door bang you on the arse on the way out'
Then the dummy spitter creates a new id to log back in and see how much he is missed.
Which he never is.
I think you will find the guy that locked the subject has done exactly that a few times ;D
there really is some clowns on here, and clowns following clowns
all that said it is probably easier just to ignore the clowns and not worry about it ;)
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The only ones that seem to leave seem to be the ones that can't take a bit of banter/abuse and spit their dummies out before very publicly announcing they are leaving.
Cue most of us saying 'don't let the door bang you on the arse on the way out'
Then the dummy spitter creates a new id to log back in and see how much he is missed.
Which he never is.
I think you will find the guy that locked the subject has done exactly that a few times ;D
there really is some clowns on here, and clowns following clowns
all that said it is probably easier just to ignore the clowns and not worry about it ;)
I was only talking generically.
There was a guy who did it only last week.
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The only ones that seem to leave seem to be the ones that can't take a bit of banter/abuse and spit their dummies out before very publicly announcing they are leaving.
Cue most of us saying 'don't let the door bang you on the arse on the way out'
Then the dummy spitter creates a new id to log back in and see how much he is missed.
Which he never is.
I think you will find the guy that locked the subject has done exactly that a few times ;D
there really is some clowns on here, and clowns following clowns
all that said it is probably easier just to ignore the clowns and not worry about it ;)
as they say it takes a clown to know a clown
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as they say it takes a clown to know a clown
Here we go again.
What do you exactly mean by that and why?
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as they say it takes a clown to know a clown
Here we go again.
What do you exactly mean by that and why?
nothing,but someone called me a clown I thought I would call them one back.
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;D
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as they say it takes a clown to know a clown
Here we go again.
What do you exactly mean by that and why?
nothing,but someone called me a clown I thought I would call them one back.
you do know that no one called you a clown anywhere on this post? you presumed it ;) guilty concious maybe :-\ or maybe you are a clown
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dunno ;D
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as they say it takes a clown to know a clown
Here we go again.
What do you exactly mean by that and why?
nothing,but someone called me a clown I thought I would call them one back.
I thought the comment was meant that on this forum, there are some clowns as the words used in the posting implied that. I didn't think it was aimed at you at all.
Just goes to show how a misunderstanding can happen.
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Obviously this forum is biased if you can't mention other competitors other than sponsors, same with mentioning other forums as people have been banned for mentioning them.
Has anyone been banned for doing either?
I can only remember members getting banned for being too abusive or insulting, etc or in one case, putting a link up to a crude porn site.
Yes lee got banned for mentioning other forums by tosh tbh :) can even post a copy of the comment if you want :-)
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Yes lee got banned for mentioning other forums by tosh tbh :) can even post a copy of the comment if you want :-)
Ok. Please could you post it and other previous postings by the same person that led to him being banned.
I'm sure Tosh will not ban me for just mentioning 'window cleaning equipment forum'. There is usually a history to these things along with context.
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He listed about 4 forums, will get the lidting off my email and watch me get banned :)
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here you are the forums he got banned for
Window cleaning forums .co.uk
Cleaning forums .co.uk
Window-tools .com
Delete the spaces.
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that was copied off the exact thread he got banned off :)
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Sorry to say this, you havn't answered the question I asked or posted the 'comment' you said you would. I also don't understand what you posted. What exact thread? You didn't post a link but instead posted a list of forums?
As far as I can see over the years, most moderating on this forum has been pretty good on the whole considering it is a very well used forum. To compare it to other forums isn't really valid as each seems to have a different ethos about them. This forum is lively, a bit volatile but with an incredible amount of knowledge and variation of topic.
Other forums can be a bit more sedate but without the same amount of info posted on a daily basis. Some prefer the quieter back waters and some prefer the full on grand canyon. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, it just means they are different and some prefer one as opposed to the other.
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this is going to be a silly question i no. windiewasher are you selling the poles from china. heard on another forum someone on here was selling poles and havent seen any names mentioned till now if you are is there away to contact you as i can see no pm facility on here. Thanks D
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are any poles actually made in the uk? im thinkin the harris might be
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That's why there is no pm, we can't be trusted.
Darran
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this is going to be a silly question i no. windiewasher are you selling the poles from china. heard on another forum someone on here was selling poles and havent seen any names mentioned till now if you are is there away to contact you as i can see no pm facility on here. Thanks D
hi david you can email me info@cleanerbrighterwindowcleaners.co.uk
Cheers
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Surely you're just buying some poles from China and flogging them on?
Isn't that exactly what gardiners are doing? (except maybe that they add their own clamp that nobody seems to like)
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Surely you're just buying some poles from China and flogging them on?
Isn't that exactly what gardiners are doing? (except maybe that they add their own clamp that nobody seems to like)
+1 careful the mob will verbally attack you.
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We are all free to order poles from far Cathay if we wish. The skill is sourcing the right carbon fibre pole, marrying it to the right clamps, ensuring a continuous line of supply and most of all topping it off with the best customer service without being taken for a mug.
There are two or three posters who are at certain levels of pole supply (pipedream/doing it/thinking about doing it) and they come on here (or get a stooge to come on here) telling us how their poles are brilliant or are going to be brilliant or will change the market. And they have.
They have because the premier pole supplier keeps two steps ahead, improves his poles and reduces his prices. It's great for me.
The problem is the wannabe's cannot portray themselves in a professional manner - they lose their rag, spit their dummies out and get upset. And when the premier pole supplier (diplomat!) asks if they are prepared for their exchange of emails to be made public they lock their thread and refuse.
Also there is this envious sniping that comes across - they cannot yet produce and maintain service and back up for a pole that is better than the premier pole supplier and so they resort to unwise posts which show them up for what they are:- aspiring pole suppliers who haven't learned how to assemble and supply poles that customers want in volume.
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We are all free to order poles from far Cathay if we wish. The skill is sourcing the right carbon fibre pole, marrying it to the right clamps, ensuring a continuous line of supply and most of all topping it off with the best customer service without being taken for a mug.
There are two or three posters who are at certain levels of pole supply (pipedream/doing it/thinking about doing it) and they come on here (or get a stooge to come on here) telling us how their poles are brilliant or are going to be brilliant or will change the market. And they have.
They have because the premier pole supplier keeps two steps ahead, improves his poles and reduces his prices. It's great for me.
The problem is the wannabe's cannot portray themselves in a professional manner - they lose their rag, spit their dummies out and get upset. And when the premier pole supplier (diplomat!) asks if they are prepared for their exchange of emails to be made public they lock their thread and refuse.
Also there is this envious sniping that comes across - they cannot yet produce and maintain service and back up for a pole that is better than the premier pole supplier and so they resort to unwise posts which show them up for what they are:- aspiring pole suppliers who haven't learned how to assemble and supply poles that customers want in volume.
As emails are private and confidential I didn't see the point of it being posted on here.im not here to put anybody down?I will be selling poles shortly and don't expect to sell thousands overnight but we will see how they do.
Why shouldn't there be more than 1 pole supplier?
Should there be only one van maker?
I will tell you there are lots of people in China that make poles and they are not made in the uk.
Me and Alex had a disagreement about me buying products from him after saying I planned to sell poles in the future.i then decided I wouldn't sell poles.
I made a order with alex,which was cancelled.
Which made me to decide to supply poles.
im now unable to buy from Alex which is fine so I won't be spending a penny more from him.thats ok.ive spent quite a bit in the past.
So what?
Deal with it
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We are all free to order poles from far Cathay if we wish. The skill is sourcing the right carbon fibre pole, marrying it to the right clamps, ensuring a continuous line of supply and most of all topping it off with the best customer service without being taken for a mug.
There are two or three posters who are at certain levels of pole supply (pipedream/doing it/thinking about doing it) and they come on here (or get a stooge to come on here) telling us how their poles are brilliant or are going to be brilliant or will change the market. And they have.
They have because the premier pole supplier keeps two steps ahead, improves his poles and reduces his prices. It's great for me.
The problem is the wannabe's cannot portray themselves in a professional manner - they lose their rag, spit their dummies out and get upset. And when the premier pole supplier (diplomat!) asks if they are prepared for their exchange of emails to be made public they lock their thread and refuse.
Also there is this envious sniping that comes across - they cannot yet produce and maintain service and back up for a pole that is better than the premier pole supplier and so they resort to unwise posts which show them up for what they are:- aspiring pole suppliers who haven't learned how to assemble and supply poles that customers want in volume.
As emails are private and confidential I didn't see the point of it being posted on here.im not here to put anybody down?I will be selling poles shortly and don't expect to sell thousands overnight but we will see how they do.
Why shouldn't there be more than 1 pole supplier?
Should there be only one van maker?
I will tell you there are lots of people in China that make poles and they are not made in the uk.
Me and Alex had a disagreement about me buying products from him after saying I planned to sell poles in the future.i then decided I wouldn't sell poles.
I made a order with alex,which was cancelled.
Which made me to decide to supply poles.
im now unable to buy from Alex which is fine so I won't be spending a penny more from him.thats ok.ive spent quite a bit in the past.
So what?
Deal with it
You decided to sell poles because Gardiner's cancelled your order? :o
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We are all free to order poles from far Cathay if we wish. The skill is sourcing the right carbon fibre pole, marrying it to the right clamps, ensuring a continuous line of supply and most of all topping it off with the best customer service without being taken for a mug.
There are two or three posters who are at certain levels of pole supply (pipedream/doing it/thinking about doing it) and they come on here (or get a stooge to come on here) telling us how their poles are brilliant or are going to be brilliant or will change the market. And they have.
They have because the premier pole supplier keeps two steps ahead, improves his poles and reduces his prices. It's great for me.
The problem is the wannabe's cannot portray themselves in a professional manner - they lose their rag, spit their dummies out and get upset. And when the premier pole supplier (diplomat!) asks if they are prepared for their exchange of emails to be made public they lock their thread and refuse.
Also there is this envious sniping that comes across - they cannot yet produce and maintain service and back up for a pole that is better than the premier pole supplier and so they resort to unwise posts which show them up for what they are:- aspiring pole suppliers who haven't learned how to assemble and supply poles that customers want in volume.
As emails are private and confidential I didn't see the point of it being posted on here.im not here to put anybody down?I will be selling poles shortly and don't expect to sell thousands overnight but we will see how they do.
Why shouldn't there be more than 1 pole supplier?
Should there be only one van maker?
I will tell you there are lots of people in China that make poles and they are not made in the uk.
Me and Alex had a disagreement about me buying products from him after saying I planned to sell poles in the future.i then decided I wouldn't sell poles.
I made a order with alex,which was cancelled.
Which made me to decide to supply poles.
im now unable to buy from Alex which is fine so I won't be spending a penny more from him.thats ok.ive spent quite a bit in the past.
So what?
Deal with it
You decided to sell poles because Gardiner's cancelled your order? :o
No I had already sourced a supplier a couple of months ago but put it on the back burner for a while whilst I get some money together having just bought a new van etc.
I was offered a affidavit to sign and be able to order aslong as I promised not to sell poles in the future which I wouldn't sign.
ive done the leg work with the suppliers and negotiated prices so why not sell them?????
Do I need your permission???
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Really
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We are all free to order poles from far Cathay if we wish. The skill is sourcing the right carbon fibre pole, marrying it to the right clamps, ensuring a continuous line of supply and most of all topping it off with the best customer service without being taken for a mug.
There are two or three posters who are at certain levels of pole supply (pipedream/doing it/thinking about doing it) and they come on here (or get a stooge to come on here) telling us how their poles are brilliant or are going to be brilliant or will change the market. And they have.
They have because the premier pole supplier keeps two steps ahead, improves his poles and reduces his prices. It's great for me.
The problem is the wannabe's cannot portray themselves in a professional manner - they lose their rag, spit their dummies out and get upset. And when the premier pole supplier (diplomat!) asks if they are prepared for their exchange of emails to be made public they lock their thread and refuse.
Also there is this envious sniping that comes across - they cannot yet produce and maintain service and back up for a pole that is better than the premier pole supplier and so they resort to unwise posts which show them up for what they are:- aspiring pole suppliers who haven't learned how to assemble and supply poles that customers want in volume.
As emails are private and confidential I didn't see the point of it being posted on here.im not here to put anybody down?I will be selling poles shortly and don't expect to sell thousands overnight but we will see how they do.
Why shouldn't there be more than 1 pole supplier?
Should there be only one van maker?
I will tell you there are lots of people in China that make poles and they are not made in the uk.
Me and Alex had a disagreement about me buying products from him after saying I planned to sell poles in the future.i then decided I wouldn't sell poles.
I made a order with alex,which was cancelled.
Which made me to decide to supply poles.
im now unable to buy from Alex which is fine so I won't be spending a penny more from him.thats ok.ive spent quite a bit in the past.
So what?
Deal with it
You decided to sell poles because Gardiner's cancelled your order? :o
No I had already sourced a supplier a couple of months ago but put it on the back burner for a while whilst I get some money together having just bought a new van etc.
I was offered a affidavit to sign and be able to order aslong as I promised not to sell poles in the future which I wouldn't sign.
ive done the leg work with the suppliers and negotiated prices so why not sell them?????
Do I need your permission???
No, but your posts display a level of maturity incompatible with being successful, so I would advise you don't invest too much time and effort.
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Are you going to be selling these poles before or after the round organisation app you were promising was near completion?
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Hey don't knock him , if he wants to try and sell poles and be a supplier where's the harm in that .
Another pole on the market - competition , he may sell a carbon fibre pole with good clamps on it .
I'm sure if he researches it , doesn't sell something that is identical to gardiners , facelift etc then he can crack on .
Wonder when the V-LITE comes out , lighter than the slx and I'd imagine superior clamps .
The new gardiner clamps are good for longevity and prolong your pole , but most buy a new pole every 2 years so I'd still peer free a good USEABLE clamp in operation . And the new gardiner clamp is a awkward operation , twisting around and adjustment all the time . Not a good upgrade , loads more having issues with it and hence the loctite bolts sent out , but Alex is dealing with it I suppose .
Competition and hard work is good for us the buyer !!
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Jesus you lot are a bunch of d i c k s. What a bunch of bully's, No wonder half the forum don't post anymore as unless you are in the gardiner gang. Whats your problem. Gardiners are not all that. Ive had bad service from the in the way of late deliverys and wrong things sent. And to be honest there poles aint all that. This forum is ment to be about sharing not bullying. Get a grip. Maybe you lot should put the effort in to building a better round as you all seem to live on here.
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Yep I'm with yo .
I buy from various suppliers
All my equipment is sourced from many different suppliers .
Gardiners stuff is ok , as is others ,
Brushes - I feel Tecbuk are built a lot more durable and better , the gardiner ones are very brittle and not long lasting .
Poles - the competition is coming and hopefully the others will have decent clamps .the gardiner clamp is poor,over engineered , too lightweight and should be made bigger to cover more cross sectional area of the pole to make it more robust . Too much obsession with making it super lightweight and this makes it weak. Is just my view .
Think is it reach it do a pole with horizontal clamps that have about 3 bolts through them and I'd imagine these would be very robust and hard wearing , but the actual pole is very heavy .
Not easy to get the perfect pole, clamp,brush etc .
Hence why there's so many thoughts
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Kempy, how many times is that you've rubbished Gardiners clamps?
Somethings not right.
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There's a bit more to poles than just buying off the shelf tubes from China!!
Gardiners engineer the composition of their poles. The very first Xtremes were re-engineered, the new ones looked exactly the same but were more stable in use with much reduced bounce.
If someone wants to import poles from China & sell them- that's perfectly fine BUT...............let's get the facts right about the competition eh?
Am I a Gardiner fan? ;D Yes. Why? Because in 10 years of WFP I've never bought, used or tried anything by any other manufacturer which is even equal to, let along better than theirs! My business was transformed by them-Fact!
For the WFP nappy-clad around here, it is Gardiners who are responsible for moving this industry forward at the pace in which it has done!! If it wasn't for them we'd all be using lead drainpipes with an Unger badge on them & paying £50 per foot for the privilege!! :)
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There's a bit more to poles than just buying off the shelf tubes from China!!
Gardiners engineer the composition of their poles. The very first Xtremes were re-engineered, the new ones looked exactly the same but were more stable in use with much reduced bounce.
If someone wants to import poles from China & sell them- that's perfectly fine BUT...............let's get the facts right about the competition eh?
Am I a Gardiner fan? ;D Yes. Why? Because in 10 years of WFP I've never bought, used or tried anything by any other manufacturer which is even equal to, let along better than theirs! My business was transformed by them-Fact!
For the WFP nappy-clad around here, it is Gardiners who are responsible for moving this industry forward at the pace in which it has done!! If it wasn't for them we'd all be using lead drainpipes with an Unger badge on them & paying £50 per foot for the privilege!! :)
Whilst I agree with you to a point fella, some credit needs to go to ionic I feel.
Not the others though.
Brodex
Tekbuk
Facelift etc
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There's a bit more to poles than just buying off the shelf tubes from China!!
Gardiners engineer the composition of their poles. The very first Xtremes were re-engineered, the new ones looked exactly the same but were more stable in use with much reduced bounce.
If someone wants to import poles from China & sell them- that's perfectly fine BUT...............let's get the facts right about the competition eh?
Am I a Gardiner fan? ;D Yes. Why? Because in 10 years of WFP I've never bought, used or tried anything by any other manufacturer which is even equal to, let along better than theirs! My business was transformed by them-Fact!
For the WFP nappy-clad around here, it is Gardiners who are responsible for moving this industry forward at the pace in which it has done!! If it wasn't for them we'd all be using lead drainpipes with an Unger badge on them & paying £50 per foot for the privilege!! :)
Whilst I agree with you to a point fella, some credit needs to go to ionic I feel.
Not the others though.
Brodex
Tekbuk
Facelift etc
Only system wise maybe but even then they still have you pay through the nose for it. In fact, I find it quite insulting how they over-engineer their systems to try & justify the premium charged!! They don't pass savings on to the client. Look how much Gardiner poles have reduced in price over the years, whilst also improving in design!
Pole wise- who did Ionics copy with clamp design?? ;)
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I bought some Aquadapter hose once then posted how dreadful it was. They kindly sent me another batch which was equally diabolical in my view. Some people love it some like me couldn't get on with it. No point in constantly running it down though I just changed to something else in the end and let everyone else make their own minds up. Gardiners clamps they're ok, work well and give your pole a shorter collapsed length. Are they perfect? not really but then nothing is.
Gardiners fan boys? well, there's a good reason for that, if you were wfp several years ago you would know just how bad the equipment was - the fibreglass poles on offer were diabolical, really,really bad. The brushes were all Vikans and although they scrubbed well were terribly overweight. Facelift had a carbon pole but was really expensive. I think the industry would have remained stagnant if Alex hadn't twigged just how important weight (or lack of it) was. On top of that he managed to produce quality poles at cheaper prices.
You see it's not a bunch of bully boys or a club, most just like their products. You can please some people some of the time but not all people all of the time.
There are other suppliers out there of course but nobody is comparing their poles with theirs - why is that do you think?
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Hey don't knock him , if he wants to try and sell poles and be a supplier where's the harm in that .
Another pole on the market - competition , he may sell a carbon fibre pole with good clamps on it .
I'm sure if he researches it , doesn't sell something that is identical to gardiners , facelift etc then he can crack on .
Wonder when the V-LITE comes out , lighter than the slx and I'd imagine superior clamps .
The new gardiner clamps are good for longevity and prolong your pole , but most buy a new pole every 2 years so I'd still peer free a good USEABLE clamp in operation . And the new gardiner clamp is a awkward operation , twisting around and adjustment all the time . Not a good upgrade , loads more having issues with it and hence the loctite bolts sent out , but Alex is dealing with it I suppose .
Competition and hard work is good for us the buyer !!
the new gardiner clamp is a awkward operation , twisting around and adjustment all the time
really??? listen mate, just a bit of advice, instead of spending your time to tell everyone on every message you post that the clamps are rubbish,you should learn how to use them! nothing wrong with the clamps!!
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
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Possibly, but Geoff had the right idea of going light but didn't progress. Fishing poles aren't ideal in the real world.
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
Not really, it would have happened regardless of Jeff (no disrespect to Jeff)
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People buy from people they trust. Seeing how some of the wannabee's on here behave when criticised are they going to be trusted?
If all the products were equal and the same price who would you buy from?
Even if eddie the eagle puts together a cracking pole first time and at two thirds the price who in their right mind is going to buy the larger sizes where the profit might be? You want to hear about its longevity and how it wears - may be two years in with an impeccable service record you'd consider it.
At the lower middle end - £200 - £250 - who cares about saving £50 if the dominant supplier works well and you can get spares?
At the bottom end - yeah give it a punt - but there's no profit to sustain the business and back up is there?
The company with top service and a Managing Director that is interested in keeping his/her customers happy is where the sensible money goes. I've never known of a company with the turnover of Gardiners where the MD comes on to a forum and personally answers and actively helps a customer whether he be a complete newbie looking to buy one pole or another looking to buy dozens (perhaps he goes out in the Bentley and visits them? ;D)
That service year in and year out is why - clamp issues and all - he is at the top of his game. He also never comes on here and spits his dummy out, or promises the earth or snipes at other pole manufacturers.
I just lament the coming day when he sells up and some megacorp takes over and the service goes to pot.
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Well said Gold, I also remember those days (just) as Alex was just starting to get into his stride, looking around as a complete noob it was plain to see that other under and brodex had no idea on how to supply decent lightweight equipment and ionics and facelift were asking the earth for poles.
Alex unlike Jeff had the drive to produce and sell top quality gear, for that we should all be grateful, others have tried but failed on many levels, usually by throwing dummies out of their pram.
In general new kit has been better than previous versions, although I found the new clamps tricky at first. My SL2 with extreme can't be beat for ease of use 60 ft up esp with the 20" long c/f gooseneck
Some stuff I'm not so keen on, but that's my personal preference I actually like Tecbuk brushes better, they don't last as long but clean and scrub better than any super light
Tis a shame Richard was, how can I put it, "volatile" on the forum
No one product will fit every1's requirements, some are happy to use a vikan brush, other want extremes, some use c/f poles others a Harris pole.
Thing is, is windie treading on gardiners copyright patents? And the glaring fact he has not even had a vlite pole but claims their superiority over others just blows any credibility out of the water for both parties
Darran
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Good morning Dave Willis , I posted on this thread as my name was being branded about a fair bit and I was unaware of this post . So I defended my purchase of buying from China direct .
Out of respect of the suppliers on here I never once posted the name,number , company etc that I bought the from . No advertising etc .
I probably moan about the Gardiner clamps as much as you promote Alex Gradiners products .
Anyway life's too short to continually post about the clamps , their ok , blah blah and blah.
I read this thread and after about the 4th page in I had to respond as some stuff written about me wasn't true . The cost of import tax wasn't ? , Alex offer of taking my pole back for scrutiny wasn't true , the offer was true and kind , but theirs nothing Alex can do to alter my preference of a vertical clamp or the operation of the Gardiner smart clamp for me .
So that's why I posted on this thread , to defend myself.......again.....
Sorry for buying from china and opening up the market for others to DCEIDE where they may buy from .
As posted many times I like Gardiner Cill brushes , carbon necks , custy service and probably average £100 plus a month from them ?? , filters etc .
So Dave Willis I'd say I'm not anti Alex Gardiner or his products , just the clamps . Simple .
Are you associated with gardiners , as you seem to be very annoyed that someone doesn't like every gardiner product , ??
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Good post Granville gold
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You should be used to defending yourself and your views Kempy...
All us Leeds scum have been brought up doing it.. ;D ;D ;D
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Well said Gold, I also remember those days (just) as Alex was just starting to get into his stride, looking around as a complete noob it was plain to see that other under and brodex had no idea on how to supply decent lightweight equipment and ionics and facelift were asking the earth for poles.
Alex unlike Jeff had the drive to produce and sell top quality gear, for that we should all be grateful, others have tried but failed on many levels, usually by throwing dummies out of their pram.
In general new kit has been better than previous versions, although I found the new clamps tricky at first. My SL2 with extreme can't be beat for ease of use 60 ft up esp with the 20" long c/f gooseneck
Some stuff I'm not so keen on, but that's my personal preference I actually like Tecbuk brushes better, they don't last as long but clean and scrub better than any super light
Tis a shame Richard was, how can I put it, "volatile" on the forum
No one product will fit every1's requirements, some are happy to use a vikan brush, other want extremes, some use c/f poles others a Harris pole.
Thing is, is windie treading on gardiners copyright patents? And the glaring fact he has not even had a vlite pole but claims their superiority over others just blows any credibility out of the water for both parties
Darran
how am I treading on patent?
its a free market and my emails of orders are coming in.
thank you to you lot for the publicity.
Quite a few pole orders coming in,keep it up guys.
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We'll done windiewasher , I guess your selling full carbon fibre poles etc
At good prices
Do you have a website for them
Prices ?
Or are you just at a early stage , testing the market and response etc.
Anyway good luck and hope you succeed .
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Good morning Dave Willis , I posted on this thread as my name was being branded about a fair bit and I was unaware of this post . So I defended my purchase of buying from China direct .
Out of respect of the suppliers on here I never once posted the name,number , company etc that I bought the from . No advertising etc .
I probably moan about the Gardiner clamps as much as you promote Alex Gradiners products .
Anyway life's too short to continually post about the clamps , their ok , blah blah and blah.
I read this thread and after about the 4th page in I had to respond as some stuff written about me wasn't true . The cost of import tax wasn't ? , Alex offer of taking my pole back for scrutiny wasn't true , the offer was true and kind , but theirs nothing Alex can do to alter my preference of a vertical clamp or the operation of the Gardiner smart clamp for me .
So that's why I posted on this thread , to defend myself.......again.....
Sorry for buying from china and opening up the market for others to DCEIDE where they may buy from .
As posted many times I like Gardiner Cill brushes , carbon necks , custy service and probably average £100 plus a month from them ?? , filters etc .
So Dave Willis I'd say I'm not anti Alex Gardiner or his products , just the clamps . Simple .
Are you associated with gardiners , as you seem to be very annoyed that someone doesn't like every gardiner product , ??
No I'm not associated with Gardiners at all. I joined another forum the other day and your posts moaning about the clamps were all over that forum too with the same two guys saying the same things. I just found it odd that's all. I don't find them perfect but I don't complain about them. When I have had issues in the past Alex goes to extraordinary lengths to put things right. This normally fixes the problem. I've had one or two products that haven't worked at all well for me but after a couple of moans I drop it and move on.
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
Not really, it would have happened regardless of Jeff (no disrespect to Jeff)
then you could say it would of happened then without alex gardiner
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Ok Dave Willis ,
I won't comment again , like you said I've moaned a lot and at the same time I've had to defend myself as we'll , which obviously prolonged my moaning to some degree .
I moaned , Alex posted and questioned me , so I responded , he did , you did , others did and then I posted again and again etc .
Going around in circles .
Done and dusted now .
A fair few moaned as we'll , I just moaned too much .
Simples .
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That's fair enough. I've got my eye on you though ;)
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Possibly, but Geoff had the right idea of going light but didn't progress. Fishing poles aren't ideal in the real world.
yep you are right but without jeff brimble and others
like matt withhis diy forum or others that used to frequent
this forum..alex gardiner wouldnt of had the ideas to bite on.
ive always personally seen mr gardiner as a steve jobs type character not necessarily an inventer but more with the will and
foresight to push ideas into the public domain.
It would be a disservice to all the diyers (inventers) andon this forum in particular who have generally come up with the ideas
over the years which others have taken on to profit from.These
chappies only profit is they wanted was to help others.
Yes alex gardiner has been significant in the change of
manufacturing of poles,but for me the chaps who gave there
time freely to help others benefit from wfp are no 1 in my book
Just my opinion dont expect anyone to share it...so need
for you man love chappies to get excited :)
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Anyone know if the poles from China are any good or if anyone is selling them or how to get one?
Just thought I'd ask.
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Anyone know if the poles from China are any good or if anyone is selling them or how to get one?
Just thought I'd ask.
they are all from china
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;D
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People buy from people they trust. Seeing how some of the wannabee's on here behave when criticised are they going to be trusted?
If all the products were equal and the same price who would you buy from?
Even if eddie the eagle puts together a cracking pole first time and at two thirds the price who in their right mind is going to buy the larger sizes where the profit might be? You want to hear about its longevity and how it wears - may be two years in with an impeccable service record you'd consider it.
At the lower middle end - £200 - £250 - who cares about saving £50 if the dominant supplier works well and you can get spares?
At the bottom end - yeah give it a punt - but there's no profit to sustain the business and back up is there?
The company with top service and a Managing Director that is interested in keeping his/her customers happy is where the sensible money goes. I've never known of a company with the turnover of Gardiners where the MD comes on to a forum and personally answers and actively helps a customer whether he be a complete newbie looking to buy one pole or another looking to buy dozens (perhaps he goes out in the Bentley and visits them? ;D)
That service year in and year out is why - clamp issues and all - he is at the top of his game. He also never comes on here and spits his dummy out, or promises the earth or snipes at other pole manufacturers.
I just lament the coming day when he sells up and some megacorp takes over and the service goes to pot.
Good post.
Alex has no airs and graces. It wasn't until just recently that he was still working out of the back of an old (Renault?) estate car. It was a shock when he ordered a VW Transporter.
I understand that he still does a little window cleaning work despite his busy schedule.
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Simple question !
Did Alex feel your attempt to import poles was an infringement on his patents
If not no problem, however there seems to be a bigger underlying issue
Not helped by yourself with certain threads and posts
Please feel free to explain the whole story
Darran
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Good post Gary999. , pretty much spot on .
The Wfp industry is only just starting to create,produce and invent stuff totally for Wfp, whereas fittings for water are pretty much air fittings adapted , but the likes of john guest etc is now manufacturing products totally for Wfp .
Rosskeva , I have two China poles , 18 & 45 ft and very happy with them .
If you have a email I can send it onto the director of the China pole who will send you a PDF about them .
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Are you going to be selling these poles before or after the round organisation app you were promising was near completion?
It would appear that he missed this post .......... or chose to ignore it, perhaps there never really was an android app and it was all p and wind just the same as his claims of selling poles made in China. ::)roll ::)roll
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Kempy:
moulsecombe@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks.
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Possibly, but Geoff had the right idea of going light but didn't progress. Fishing poles aren't ideal in the real world.
yep you are right but without jeff brimble and others
like matt withhis diy forum or others that used to frequent
this forum..alex gardiner wouldnt of had the ideas to bite on.
ive always personally seen mr gardiner as a steve jobs type character not necessarily an inventer but more with the will and
foresight to push ideas into the public domain.
It would be a disservice to all the diyers (inventers) andon this forum in particular who have generally come up with the ideas
over the years which others have taken on to profit from.These
chappies only profit is they wanted was to help others.
Yes alex gardiner has been significant in the change of
manufacturing of poles,but for me the chaps who gave there
time freely to help others benefit from wfp are no 1 in my book
Just my opinion dont expect anyone to share it...so need
for you man love chappies to get excited :)
True, but the difference is Alex improves them and sells them. We could all diy but choose not to these days. I started off with carp poles and bentley brushes from Asda (superlight carbon poles for about £25).
Why don't I use them anymore? I don't know to be honest. I'm using £700 poles with £30 brushes to do the same job in theory. Utter madness to anyone new to the game but that's a measure of our earning power I suppose.
Alex listens to our requests - look at the resineck swivel. I would have paid £50 for one that lasts - he's produced one for about a tenner. Brushes- every flavour under the sun. Tell him what you want and he tends to take it on board.
DIY'ing is great for starting out on a budget - it's not rocket science after all.
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I forgot to add - when I wanted a really light rigid pole, there weren't any at that time. I bought a fibreglass 21' pole and threw it to the back of my garage in disgust after a week. I bought a fibreglass 17' extender pole that lasted five weeks. The stuff available then was utter garbage. Geoff hit on the idea of fishing poles - brilliant!...... but they just weren't strong enough.
Ironically Matts pole of choice is a 25' Slx - even he must have seen the light.
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
Not really, it would have happened regardless of Jeff (no disrespect to Jeff)
then you could say it would of happened then without alex gardiner
Not really, maybe eventually at some point. Right time, right place, right man- it's not that often all three meet up at the same time. ;)
Facelift (the original Facelift, not Stephen Fox Facelift) had a great carbon pole out back then but they sat on it for years never improving on it & when the SLX arrived it blew the Facelift into the weeds on every level!! Gardiner products have been "industry changers"- something all the others have claimed on the run up to release but never achieved! Gardiners have achieved this many times over with the rest seemingly forever playing catch up!! :)
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id think the chinese are way ahead cos they were already making big poles for kite flying.
few yrs ago i had a hol over there and was almost trippin over poles
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Come to Trowbridge if you want to trip over Poles.
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I forgot to add - when I wanted a really light rigid pole, there weren't any at that time. I bought a fibreglass 21' pole and threw it to the back of my garage in disgust after a week. I bought a fibreglass 17' extender pole that lasted five weeks. The stuff available then was utter garbage. Geoff hit on the idea of fishing poles - brilliant!...... but they just weren't strong enough.
Ironically Matts pole of choice is a 25' Slx - even he must have seen the light.
yep totally agree with both posts..the simple fact is the industry
caught up with and now surpassed the original ideas of the
diyers,but without the likes of Mr brimble etc things wouldnt of moved along as quickly as they have...afterall wasnt alex
gardiners first poles fishing pole sections and the brush of choice
was a bentley sweeping brush this gave him the foot in the door
he needed and he has developed and redeveloped from there
as his business moved on.
wouldnt of happenedwithout the originality of thought by jeff and others.
To lay all the praise and responsibility for what has happened
in such a short time at one doorstep..personally is wrong and disrespectful.
I still diy and my poles are better than any supplier
well for me anyway ;D
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Why didn't Geoff brimble pursue it and produce and sell it . Are you suggesting Alex picked his brains and then brought it to market !!! .
I heard that Geoff pretty much was the Brains behind all the original Wfp poles
But whatever has happened , Alex has done the industry proud
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Why didn't Geoff brimble pursue it and produce and sell it . Are you suggesting Alex picked his brains and then brought it to market !!! .
I heard that Geoff pretty much was the Brains behind all the original Wfp poles
But whatever has happened , Alex has done the industry proud
It's Jeff not Geoff.
And I believe he was involved with modular fishing poles, and don't think he produced a telescopic pole with clamps that most of us use today.
No disrespect to Jeff Brimble but there's no earth shattering design or technology involved to convert a modular fishing pole into a modular wfp pole.
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Alex was at it way before JeffB, Alex was building systems for people & all sorts. JeffB might have pointed a thing or two out about minor DIY efforts but has nothing to do with whether Alex would have made it or not. No disrespect to JeffB but he's cobbled a few bits & bobs together in his shed over the years- none of which have had any retail success.
I will lay wfp development at the door of Gardiners anyday, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous, it's been there for all to see!! ;)
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I thought Ionics did the first wfp poles.
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I thought Ionics did the first wfp poles.
The debate is not who did the first Ross if you hadn't noticed?
Same as the debate is not to do with whether anyone should buy a pole from China or not- that's their choice.
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back then he was first to exploit the idea for himself
for a really light pole..could be wrong but dont think anyone
else was thinking that way at time. As ideas go its not a big
leap from a modular pole to a telescopic one either is it :)
i remember jeff brimble and others messing around with ideas
of telescopic poles from flag poles and all sorts.
I used to use several forums and they were all definately
more interesting back then to read than the arguing over
facelift versus gardiners etc etc etc.
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Again this is just a personal opinion
Argue amongst yourselves if you want to
im offski ;D
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Again this is just a personal opinion
Argue amongst yourselves if you want to
im offski ;D
Don't go yet you scoundrel!!! ;D
The forums were more interesting back then because we didn't have what we have now. New WFP'ers don't know they're born today!! Alex himself has been hounded over the years by us lot demanding he develops this & that. To his credit he took it all on board too.
There's no real need for it these days, everything we could need is there on a plate, at a great price & delivered the very next day after just a few clicks! :)
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Again this is just a personal opinion
Argue amongst yourselves if you want to
im offski ;D
Don't go yet you scoundrel!!! ;D
The forums were more interesting back then because we didn't have what we have now. New WFP'ers don't know they're born today!! Alex himself has been hounded over the years by us lot demanding he develops this & that. To his credit he took it all on board too.
There's no real need for it these days, everything we could need is there on a plate, at a great price & delivered the very next day after just a few clicks! :)
Just for you im back ;D
yep get what you say...but it aint half boring ;D
i still like diy though..i have my own telescopic/modular
banded but no clamps poles i use.i havent yet come across
a pole im more comfortable with :)
now go back and argue ;D
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Again this is just a personal opinion
Argue amongst yourselves if you want to
im offski ;D
Don't go yet you scoundrel!!! ;D
The forums were more interesting back then because we didn't have what we have now. New WFP'ers don't know they're born today!! Alex himself has been hounded over the years by us lot demanding he develops this & that. To his credit he took it all on board too.
There's no real need for it these days, everything we could need is there on a plate, at a great price & delivered the very next day after just a few clicks! :)
Just for you im back ;D
yep get what you say...but it aint half boring ;D
i still like diy though..i have my own telescopic/modular
banded but no clamps poles i use.i havent yet come across
a pole im more comfortable with :)
now go back and argue ;D
Your little green light's never gone out Gary- admit it, ya cannae help it!! ;D
I DIY my wagtail pads.
I can't use 90 degree brush sockets either- it's just not right! I can't make use of the quick-loc system because I have to fit my brushes with 45 degree angles- swivels work better at this angle too.
I've had two clamps come loose in all this time & I DIY'd them with tape (the wedge method), so good was the fix that I've never actually re-glued them two years on!! ;D
I draw the line at poles though. £264 (inc' vat) for a new SLX25 INC' brush, neck, hose & connector- delivered next day!!! Man that's one serious bargain in my eyes!! :o The CLX shouldn't even be a consideration with these prices on the SLX range.
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I don`t care who made, who claimed the best poles. All I know is I will use the best pole I can afford, after all they are just tools. No worth arguing about. You chaps need to get back to work. To much holiday time. 5 pages of nonesense.
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
whoa gary,glad you posted the truth on this,it tends to get overlooked that this whole idea came from someone else not the guy who some want to have his babies etc,your well connected i think?
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
whoa gary,glad you posted the truth on this,it tends to get overlooked that this whole idea came from someone else not the guy who some want to have his babies etc,your well connected i think?
Read the whole thread Kav lad, that info is not correct. ::)roll
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I thought Ionics did the first wfp poles.
The debate is not who did the first Ross if you hadn't noticed?
Same as the debate is not to do with whether anyone should buy a pole from China or not- that's their choice.
I have been reading this topic.
I will lay wfp development at the door of Gardiners anyday, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous, it's been there for all to see!! ;)
I was replying to the above.
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actually if it wasnt for jeff brimble and his ideas that
alex gardiner originally borrowed from then moved on
we would still be using lead pipes, well the progress would
of been slower anyway ;)
whoa gary,glad you posted the truth on this,it tends to get overlooked that this whole idea came from someone else not the guy who some want to have his babies etc,your well connected i think?
Read the whole thread Kav lad, that info is not correct. ::)roll,yes i did post halfway through through the topic when gary posted the above-truth doesn't always come out-well some of it
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I thought Ionics did the first wfp poles.
The debate is not who did the first Ross if you hadn't noticed?
Same as the debate is not to do with whether anyone should buy a pole from China or not- that's their choice.
I have been reading this topic.
I will lay wfp development at the door of Gardiners anyday, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous, it's been there for all to see!! ;)
I was replying to the above.
Yes- wfp stands for "water fed pole"
Development- the process of developing or being developed - evolution, growth, progress, success. ;)
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Ionics could hardly produce a wfp without r & d, development, etc.
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Ionics could hardly produce a wfp without r & d, development, etc.
Wanna bet? did you ever use an early Ionic pole??
Read my last post very carefully & understand each word- otherwise it's pointless responding.
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Ionics could hardly produce a wfp without r & d, development, etc.
Wanna bet? did you ever use an early Ionic pole??
Read my last post very carefully & understand each word- otherwise it's pointless responding.
you still waffling winpro ;D
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I think the chinese are doing a great job developing lighter stronger poles all the time.
thank god for the chinese else we would all be using harris poles.
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oih! nothing wrong with harris poles >:( ;D
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Wanna bet? did you ever use an early Ionic pole??
Read my last post very carefully & understand each word- otherwise it's pointless responding.
Yes I did use an early hiddeous dead heavy Ionics pole. I couldn't reach the top two clamps with the pole upright.
Someone I worked with sometimes also bought one of their first carbon fibre poles and I think, but I could be wrong, he paid about £2 000 for it. Regardless of the actual price, it was to me, an incredible sum of money.
That was 2002, or 2003? I can't remember exactly but I'm certain Gardiners wasn't around then.
Anyway, the thing that the Chinese are incredibly good at is taking a product, copying it to an extent and then bringing out their own version that's cheaper because their costs are so much lower due to very low wages, etc.
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oih! nothing wrong with harris poles >:( ;D
I know mate but the chinese carbon fibre poles are much better
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Wanna bet? did you ever use an early Ionic pole??
Read my last post very carefully & understand each word- otherwise it's pointless responding.
Yes I did use an early hiddeous dead heavy Ionics pole. I couldn't reach the top two clamps with the pole upright.
Someone I worked with sometimes also bought one of their first carbon fibre poles and I think, but I could be wrong, he paid about £2 000 for it. Regardless of the actual price, it was to me, an incredible sum of money.
That was 2002, or 2003? I can't remember exactly but I'm certain Gardiners wasn't around then.
Anyway, the thing that the Chinese are incredibly good at is taking a product, copying it to an extent and then bringing out their own version that's cheaper because their costs are so much lower due to very low wages, etc.
The 72ft Ionic Ergolite was quite heavy, 8ft closed length, really wide bottom section and was £3k bud. Think that was 2005/6...?
80ft Etreme is now lighter than 45' Ionic Swift.
Did like my Swift though.
Think its the best pole I've ever had...
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When I first joined this site, the hot topic was DIY trolley systems. How to get a Unger pole to 4th floor lol. Bought my green fibreglass pole from Alex with a viking brush. SALMON Brushes where also a topic. There has been lots of ideas that have been picked up on over the years and probably more in the future . China will bring the cost down sooner or latter, but it will be the buyers choice, some will stick with what they know others will follow there wallet.