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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jonny 87 on December 17, 2013, 09:17:11 pm
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Just wondering if the hiace d4d is as thirsty as some say.
It's a 2008 model I'm looking at, 2.5 litre, the 95 bhp one. Engines look solid as a rock, so to be honest a bit more fuel spend is ok if you get the reliability. Road tax is a bit hefty too, but same principle goes.
Think I've see a few here run hiaces with WFP systems in? Do you find the fuel bill is too hefty and would it put you off buying another?
Thanks in advance.
Jonny.
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Same as anything else. The gas guzzling story was made up on here by someone with no knowledge. ::)roll
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Same as anything else. The gas guzzling story was made up on here by someone with no knowledge. ::)roll
Nice one.
I remember top gear did a test, they had a Prius Eco car driven round the track as a fast as it could possibly go,(slow as a snail in quick sand) then they had a BMW m3 just sat behind it on its tail.
Because the Prius was being thrashed, and the m3 was just sitting comfortable, the Prius actually had worse economy.
Everything is relative.
I remember seeing you had a hiace Dave. What size tank you got in yours?
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http://uk-car-fuel-emissions.findthedata.org/q/2742/1965/What-is-the-fuel-economy-for-the-Toyota-Hiace
650L
Most vehicles are much the same economy wise and vary depending on how you drive them. I googled the Hiace for reliability faults and found next to nothing. Googled fuel economy and they came out well. Mine hasn't been very reliable so far - it blew a tail light bulb last year - cost me over 70p!
My road tax is really low. Something to do with the particular year mine came out.
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I used to have a swb high roof iveco daily, i got 30mpg out of that, which wasnt bad at all for a van of that size and weight. The hiace is a lot lighter and more aerodynamic, so i would imagine, driven sensibly, you should get 35+mpg.
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Never check mine to be honest. local Garage reckons they are superb as far as reliability goes, they are a bit agricultural compared to a VW or even a Vivaro but excellent work horse. I'd buy another or maybe the Hyundai
Son used to drive a five cylinder VW - fast as anything but the engine was shot at 70k 3 years old - unbelievable pile of crap! Garage wanted £9000 to put it right!!!!!!!!!
Customer has a Transit - the rings were gone around 75k and the injectors. Friend has a vivaro - gearbox gone.
Get good and bad in all vans I suppose.
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http://uk-car-fuel-emissions.findthedata.org/q/2742/1965/What-is-the-fuel-economy-for-the-Toyota-Hiace
Mine hasn't been very reliable so far - it blew a tail light bulb last year - cost me over 70p!
Keeps the tax bill down tho' Dave !
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Just wondering if the hiace d4d is as thirsty as some say.
It's a 2008 model I'm looking at, 2.5 litre, the 95 bhp one. Engines look solid as a rock, so to be honest a bit more fuel spend is ok if you get the reliability. Road tax is a bit hefty too, but same principle goes.
Think I've see a few here run hiaces with WFP systems in? Do you find the fuel bill is too hefty and would it put you off buying another?
Thanks in advance.
Jonny.
This is a window cleaning forum. Didnt you know that.....
All Transits rust to pieces in a week
Toyota Hiaces use twice as much fuel as any other vehicle on the road
All Vivaros go through a gearbox a month
Peugeots never go a day without a breakdown
VW transporters are perfect in every possible way
There are no greys, just black and white.
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Just wondering if the hiace d4d is as thirsty as some say.
It's a 2008 model I'm looking at, 2.5 litre, the 95 bhp one. Engines look solid as a rock, so to be honest a bit more fuel spend is ok if you get the reliability. Road tax is a bit hefty too, but same principle goes.
Think I've see a few here run hiaces with WFP systems in? Do you find the fuel bill is too hefty and would it put you off buying another?
Thanks in advance.
Jonny.
This is a window cleaning forum. Didnt you know that.....
All Transits rust to pieces in a week
Toyota Hiaces use twice as much fuel as any other vehicle on the road
All Vivaros go through a gearbox a month
Peugeots never go a day without a breakdown
VW transporters are perfect in every possible way
There are no greys, just black and white.
this is true.
Except the vivaro bit ;D
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Just wondering if the hiace d4d is as thirsty as some say.
It's a 2008 model I'm looking at, 2.5 litre, the 95 bhp one. Engines look solid as a rock, so to be honest a bit more fuel spend is ok if you get the reliability. Road tax is a bit hefty too, but same principle goes.
Think I've see a few here run hiaces with WFP systems in? Do you find the fuel bill is too hefty and would it put you off buying another?
Thanks in advance.
Jonny.
This is a window cleaning forum. Didnt you know that.....
All Transits rust to pieces in a week
Toyota Hiaces use twice as much fuel as any other vehicle on the road
All Vivaros go through a gearbox a month
Peugeots never go a day without a breakdown
VW transporters are perfect in every possible way
There are no greys, just black and white.
Ummmm. Lol
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I have a hiace, yes it uses a bit of fuel generally get 40 miles to every £10 of desiel but when you look at the other costs it worth it. No garage bills whatsoever , no cost at mot time, mine has no rust on body or underneath, I have also had the dreaded light bulb go a few years ago .
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Jonny
I use 2 Hiaces, yes, they are heavier on fuel but running costs are cheaper.
I get a return of 28 - 30 mpg. But it never breaks down.
I have an 03 that was fitted with a tank from new, its had 1 clutch then an annual service. Its looking tired but its still out 5 days a week.
Gary
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I'm running 2 Hiace's and previous van was also a Hiace. I get about 140 miles to £40. Alot of my work is very condensed the 10 plate, same engine as the one your looking at is more economical that the the W reg, that's non turbo. They just keep going!
The old Van after running it for 8 years, all I ever replaced was rear light bulb & and the Diff, the van was abused, eventually sold it for export to the Congo :)
Week point's on Hiace.
Door & Ignition lock's
Front seat
bottom roller for side door ( keep it well greased)
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Dave Mills your wrong !!! I've had my transit custom since March and guess what noooo rust that's 9 months lol !!!! 👳👳👳
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Nice one, thanks for all the info guys! Really appreciate it.
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If your going to get one you'll never regret it.
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have had hiace for the last 2 years ,
goes like a bomb , reliable and has not broken down yet.
only replaced the cat converter , and the springs on the back , only because of the weight it carries but also its a 97 model .
best van i have owned so far with no major issues
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If your going to get one you'll never regret it.
Got to phone the dealer with a decision. I'm pretty certain it's a yes though. Need to get a bit more info on it.
I think it only has partial service history, but I'll probably just put it through a big service when I get it. Cam belt etc. They seem not too expensive to replace?
It's got 100,000 miles on the clock but I only do 8,000 miles a year so the high mileage doesn't worry me. It's not got a mark on it inside or out, silver with a rhino roof rack already on.
Still about the £5000 mark mind but it looks solid.
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Plus vat?
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Plus vat?
£4650 plus vat mate.
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for a 2.5 litre engine there not very powerful on paper with not much torque either,
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looks good jonny when u sign rite the van it will look even beta :)
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looks good - couple of odd coloured panels there?
Power isn't everything, they are built for hauling weight not outright speed. Low geared too. I drove mine up from Bath to Grimsby and back overnight, comfy drive nice and relaxed.
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looks good - couple of odd coloured panels there?
Power isn't everything, they are built for hauling weight not outright speed. Low geared too. I drove mine up from Bath to Grimsby and back overnight, comfy drive nice and relaxed.
+1, Like driving a car.
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looks good - couple of odd coloured panels there?
Power isn't everything, they are built for hauling weight not outright speed. Low geared too. I drove mine up from Bath to Grimsby and back overnight, comfy drive nice and relaxed.
What age is yours mate?
Found an 07 plate with 45,000 miles on the clock. It's about 1,500 more but looks like a winner. Another immaculate example. Probably a corner shop type fellow owned it for carrying his cans of noodles and Pepsi. ;)
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which ever way you look at it you cannot get good fuel economy from a heavy van with a big lump of an engine .
either way you take the hit, 100% jap reliability but You spend a ton of fuel, or hit-and-miss reliability (french ) but save on the fuel.
if the japs could design a light-ish AND reliable van they would dominate the market ,seems they cannot
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which ever way you look at it you cannot get good fuel economy from a heavy van with a big lump of an engine .
thats why 4 x4 are not as popular as once were, now they really drink fuel like theres no tomorrow, its nothing to have to spend £150 filling them up in one hit
It's less than £100 to fill up a hiace from people's experience. And it only gets 5mpg less than my caddy at the minute.
Plus the fact that yearly maintenance fees are cheap as chips.
I'm yet to find someone who owns one that doesnt like them. And believe me I've been trying!
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i meant the 4 x 4 are 150 to fill up
it might pay you to buy fuel in bulk with your own tank at the side of your home-i know of one person who does that
i believe (i might be wrong as legsilation changes )you dont need a licence for a 1000 gallon above ground diesel tank long as it has a concrete bund
only need a licence if you have a full- size below ground bulk fuel installation
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If your going to get one you'll never regret it.
Got to phone the dealer with a decision. I'm pretty certain it's a yes though. Need to get a bit more info on it.
I think it only has partial service history, but I'll probably just put it through a big service when I get it. Cam belt etc. They seem not too expensive to replace?
It's got 100,000 miles on the clock but I only do 8,000 miles a year so the high mileage doesn't worry me. It's not got a mark on it inside or out, silver with a rhino roof rack already on.
Still about the £5000 mark mind but it looks solid.
Cambelt £60 fitted, if I remember correctly. Might have been £40.
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I normally spend about £40 a week on fuel. Had a Despatch before that but higher power, seemed to use about the same amount of fuel.
Despatch is the perfect van for one operator in my opinion. Twin sliding doors are a bonus but seating for three isn't really on. Payload was too tight for 650l and three in the front.
Toyota don't do a 4x4 Hiace ;D
They do make a Hilux though.
http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/van-reviews/toyota/hiace-2007/
The 2l Citroen is supposed to do about 42 combined to the gallon. Toyota would be similar to Transits, Vivaros etc give or take a couple of mpg.
all depends what you want/need
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Just bit the bullet on a hiace I just saw. Had to move quick on it I feel.
Deposit paid and I pick it up on the 28th.
07 plate, one owner and 45,000 miles.
I'm looking forward to filling all this new space I will have! Bigger tank and poles inside the back of the van properly without hitting my passenger on the head. :)
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/0bda141bd8cbd819a9cff683cf97721c_zps7ad6d974.jpg)
Thanks for the reassurance from all you fellow hiace users.
Cheers,
Jonny.
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My Citroen Relay 2.0 hdi SWB gives me between 22 and 28 mpg. It gets driven sedately as well.
Fuel consumption is much better on the motorway ticking over, but our work is all stop start and mainly within 10 miles from base. Today I did 4 miles.
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Forgot to mention they come with two batteries. I had a live connected to one battery and I've run my pump every day off that on the original batteries (06) for a couple of years now with no problems whatsoever.
that van looks absolutely mint inside by the way.
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Doesn't look like its had a hard life at all. Looks like its had paint tho ;)
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which ever way you look at it you cannot get good fuel economy from a heavy van with a big lump of an engine .
either way you take the hit, 100% jap reliability but You spend a ton of fuel, or hit-and-miss reliability (french ) but save on the fuel.
if the japs could design a light-ish AND reliable van they would dominate the market ,seems they cannot
They no longer make van's, the new pro-ace! is a Renault/ Citroen mess up! chatting to the part's manager in ;local toyota dealership, they have already suspended sales twice due to problems with part's!
Toyota badge, but that's it, they sold of the emissions to develop the Lexus brand.
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Thanks mate, can't believe how tidy it is.
What's your road tax btw?
They are putting it on for me and he said its £220? Thought it was nearer the £300 mark.
Another couple of pics......I am half expecting to get down there and see that the pics have been photoshopped.lol looks too tidy to be true.
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/a94ddf288eddf407f34688038caa85f3_zpsdcc71063.jpg)
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/fc4c86fae1e3a44705d2b6e5e80ef334_zpsd5ac5eff.jpg)
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/cbe4a36fe53ddc1c2fa76bc5427c4202_zpsa4ef6bc9.jpg)
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My road tax is £135 per year. 2006 model. Don't know why it's so low it's just luck.
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My road tax is £135 per year. 2006 model. Don't know why it's so low it's just luck.
Nice one.
I think in 07 they tweaked the engine. Must have done something to get it rebanded and made it more. I don't mind though, things seem so reliable from my research.
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which ever way you look at it you cannot get good fuel economy from a heavy van with a big lump of an engine .
either way you take the hit, 100% jap reliability but You spend a ton of fuel, or hit-and-miss reliability (french ) but save on the fuel.
if the japs could design a light-ish AND reliable van they would dominate the market ,seems they cannot
They no longer make van's, the new pro-ace! is a Renault/ Citroen mess up! chatting to the part's manager in ;local toyota dealership, they have already suspended sales twice due to problems with part's!
Toyota badge, but that's it, they sold of the emissions to develop the Lexus brand.
Toyota do still make their own vans, it is just that, for whatever reason, they are not sold in this country, nor, i believe, in Europe. The Hi-ace sold in Australia and Asia is a forward control design (no bonnet), which i have to say, i really like. It is available as a standard van, and a lwb high roof version.
Toyota's decision to badge up a dispatch/expert/scudo as the pro-ace is a strange one, given the age of the design. Surely a new model cant be that far away?. Still, that isn't half as strange/cynical as mercedes grafting one of their grills on to the front of a renault kangoo (another van which is starting to get on a bit) and charging a small fortune for it. Puts me in mind of the Allegro vanden plas (I know, showing my age there!).
But back to the hi-ace up for discussion, i think they are cracking vans, maybe not as cool or trendy as some, but extremely reliable, and usefully more compact on the road than a standard sized transit or vivaro. They are rear wheel drive, so in slippery conditions, if loaded, you will have better traction than a front wheel drive van ( but if empty....!, well lets just say you could be a hooligan and indulge in your 'drifting' fantasy's!)
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Haha, I spent a good hour or so last night watching YouTube videos of hiaces drifting. It seems so wrong seeing a van pull a 50 metre sideways drift. Lol.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've had my Hiace for 5 years from 60,000 to 130,000 miles.
It's an 06 reg 280 2.5 d4d.
I do approx 13,500 miles per year and spend approx £60 per week on fuel.
It has never broken down and has only had a few minor issues.
I think it's still on its original clutch.
I paid £4,500 (no vat).
My insurance still value it at £3000!
I'd love a new Ford Transit Custom 330 but that would cost me approx £4000 per year to contract hire and I honestly can't see how I could justify it.
I do have it serviced at Toyota which ain't cheap (average £230 a pop) and is every 10,000 miles!
Hiace's rock in my opinion. Shame they don't look a bit cooler.
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Whats the payload
What's the gross vehicle weight
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1130 payload mate,
2800 gross weight. Probably carry a 500 tank legally. I've ordered my 650 litre but only plan to fill it when really needed.
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I've got 400 miles out of £60 so far too. Although a lot of that was unloaded, and motorway miles.
Probably expect to do about 40 miles to £10 with stop start driving and loaded up with water etc.
Fuels not bad at all really. As long as I get the reliability I'm happy. Not a spot of rust on my hiace and it's 6 year old. Plan to get a long time out this van.
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Mine has a 1059kg payload.
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Mine has a 1059kg payload.
Mines the 2007 model, so I think its got the 1130 payload.
What size tank do you use Dave?
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guy i knew drove to Malta in one . a builder. he went over as the homeowner didnt trust the locals
cost a thou in fuel , im not sure if that was each way !
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guy i knew drove to Malta in one . a builder. he went over as the homeowner didnt trust the locals
cost a thou in fuel , im not sure if that was each way !
It's over 2,000 miles away. Lol. One belter of a journey!
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I've worked it out now my hiace averages 25 to 28 mpg fully loaded. My 3.0 twin axle iveco with 1000 ltr and towing an extra 1000ltr trailer across country averages 12 mpg
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Be a good buy this Jonny .
Quality
My transit is a joy to drive , think about 40 mpg .
Rust is minimal ATM on a 57 plate
Hope to get 6 years out of it .
Can always take it to a paint shop once .
Top advice to anyone , go large with the van once and once only .
Me , Astra estate - expert - 260 tranny and now T300 transit , but I've not really wasted much money as the sales have been ok .
T300 57 plate 61000 mwb , med roof at £4500 was a good deal
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Definitely agree with you kempy.
I've out grown my caddy. Wish id got a bigger van straight off.
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I've worked it out now my hiace averages 25 to 28 mpg fully loaded. My 3.0 twin axle iveco with 1000 ltr and towing an extra 1000ltr trailer across country averages 12 mpg
You must have had your foot nailed to the floor!. Even accounting for the bigger engine and trailer, that is a huge difference to the 29mpg average i got from my iveco (2.3, swb high roof, 3.5t) with a 1000l tank.
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I've worked it out now my hiace averages 25 to 28 mpg fully loaded. My 3.0 twin axle iveco with 1000 ltr and towing an extra 1000ltr trailer across country averages 12 mpg
You must have had your foot nailed to the floor!. Even accounting for the bigger engine and trailer, that is a huge difference to the 29mpg average i got from my iveco (2.3, swb high roof, 3.5t) with a 1000l tank.
I think some things wrong with it to be honest how u getting on with the 2.3 iveco, any reliability problems, my 3.0 is OK but not a patch on Toyota
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Definitely agree with you kempy.
I've out grown my caddy. Wish id got a bigger van straight off.
Are you gonna show us pics of it loaded?
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Yeah I will do at some point.
It's still sitting empty on my drive at the minute. I'm working out my caddy untill I get it sign written and my new 650 tank delivered.
It's a difficult time of year to get stuff done.
I'm getting everything ply lined except the floor, I'm protektakoting the floor, and then switching my equipment over. Should be up and running for the 2nd or 3rd week in January I think.