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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: redstarwindowcleaners on November 24, 2013, 02:01:35 pm
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Has any one had any experince of buying wfp direct from manufacturers in china
The prices bring banded about / quality of the products make it seem a viable option
Chances are the uk suppliers source their products from there anyway so you are effectively cutting out the middle man and saving yourself a large pile of cash
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ANY ONE GET ANY LINKS/WEB ADDRESS FOR CHINA SUPPLYS
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Has any one had any experince of buying wfp direct from manufacturers in china
The prices bring banded about / quality of the products make it seem a viable option
Chances are the uk suppliers source their products from there anyway so you are effectively cutting out the middle man and saving yourself a large pile of cash
but the middle man is probably buying in bulk your not going to be able to go to a manufactures in china to buy a couple of poles or 2-3 wfp systems there will be minimum orders etc. And to be honest prices now are not that bad really especially the poles.
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Briefly looking looking into it via sources thro tradekey etc a number of suppliers are willing to supply for personnal use ie 1 2 3 etc pole not in bulk
The savings seem significant even on single purchases
Even when taking into acount exchange rates sterling to us dollar taxes and shipping
On a 50ft full carbon jobbie the possible saving could be 300 / 350 on retail in the uk
Its something I reckon could be worth investigating further if a saving of this amount could be made
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http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/carbon-tube.html
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and for gutter vac poles mate
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Briefly looking looking into it via sources thro tradekey etc a number of suppliers are willing to supply for personnal use ie 1 2 3 etc pole not in bulk
The savings seem significant even on single purchases
Even when taking into acount exchange rates sterling to us dollar taxes and shipping
On a 50ft full carbon jobbie the possible saving could be 300 / 350 on retail in the uk
Its something I reckon could be worth investigating further if a saving of this amount could be made
Going by that then yes maybe worth a look have you taken import duty into consideration as well .
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Briefly looking looking into it via sources thro tradekey etc a number of suppliers are willing to supply for personnal use ie 1 2 3 etc pole not in bulk
The savings seem significant even on single purchases
Even when taking into acount exchange rates sterling to us dollar taxes and shipping
On a 50ft full carbon jobbie the possible saving could be 300 / 350 on retail in the uk
Its something I reckon could be worth investigating further if a saving of this amount could be made
you forget the shipping, very expensive!
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No its in the equation
Theres no doubt they can be brought cheaper
Its finding a trusted seller where parts are also avaliable and the quality can be assured
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The import taxes are the killer
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you mark the item down for the lowest price possible and say its a present.
think it works out cheaper that way
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A lot of scammers. You would need to send a verification agent to the factory to see if they are actually legit before u send 400over to someone accross the world and hear nothing ever again!
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Anyone purchased from china direct !
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yes it can be done,it doesn't work out too much cheaper to be honest than buying from the uk,i have just imported two 18's and a 23 foot pole,all needed brushes and hose but no big issue their,they came with an alloy gooseneck weighing in at 108 grams for around the £8.00 extra on top of the pole,pole wise its brilliant and much easier and quicker to use than anything here in the uk-simples.
it is however let down by the near six foot collapsed lenght and its only really an issue on small areas etc.
if you were to go down this route there is a lot of research to be done-its not all to do with price its the clamps/make up of all the sections and of which type of carbon they use/how many wraps of one type and how many of another,this dictates whether you are buying a good pole or not,-would i do this again,yes i would and i am in the new year,i would say 99%of the poles we buy here in the uk come from china,ok they have shorter lenght sections different clamps some even embossed with logo's still all made in china,these are specified by the suppliers to make them unique and keep you loyal to one brand because one thing fits all scenario.
think of it what you will but for me and a few others we would not buy from the uk suppliers again,as for scammers yes i guess there are about to be honest again its down to research,mine came from chian with tracking in under five days from a paypal payment
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yes it can be done,it doesn't work out too much cheaper to be honest than buying from the uk,i have just imported two 18's and a 23 foot pole,all needed brushes and hose but no big issue their,they came with an alloy gooseneck weighing in at 108 grams for around the £8.00 extra on top of the pole,pole wise its brilliant and much easier and quicker to use than anything here in the uk-simples.
it is however let down by the near six foot collapsed lenght and its only really an issue on small areas etc.
if you were to go down this route there is a lot of research to be done-its not all to do with price its the clamps/make up of all the sections and of which type of carbon they use/how many wraps of one type and how many of another,this dictates whether you are buying a good pole or not,-would i do this again,yes i would and i am in the new year,i would say 99%of the poles we buy here in the uk come from china,ok they have shorter lenght sections different clamps some even embossed with logo's still all made in china,these are specified by the suppliers to make them unique and keep you loyal to one brand because one thing fits all scenario.
think of it what you will but for me and a few others we would not buy from the uk suppliers again,as for scammers yes i guess there are about to be honest again its down to research,mine came from chian with tracking in under five days from a paypal payment
Could we have details of the supplier ?
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
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for an 18 footer the savings are about £50 but as you get higher in the range the savings are better,sub £300 mark for a 45' pole weighing in at under 2kg's-these can be made on request in high modular at extra cost,,have poles made by the uk suppliers and to be honest i find the chinese poles better in use and much more intuative
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
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Buying direct from china is all wong.
lol where do you think gardiner poles come from?
China!
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Im looking at buying a 45ft pole so I am interested in what cost would be and savings. Also a supplier would be nice.
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i though gardiner poles were from Switzerland or Sweden on somewhere not china, but anyway even if they are, when something goes wrong with gardiners poles they sort it within a couple of days, thats what i pay for
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i paid £850 for my extreme 47 pole in the gardiners sale.it is a lot of money for a pole but ill get my moneys worth out of it before its knackered.if i could of saved myself £400 by buying it direct from china then i might have considered it but gardiner poles are tried and tested so i probably wouldnt of risked it.
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How often does the carbon part of the pole go wrong(snap) its mostly clamps with all poles that's the problem. There for I would consider buying from abroad.
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Im looking at investing in a pole somewhere between 45 / 50 ft in the new year
If I can save 300 / 350 plus quid by sourcing from abroad I dont mind where it comes from
The bottom line is what comes out of my pocket at the end of the day as long as the product quality is on par with thoes being supplied in the uk
I was looking for someones comments / thoughts who has actually gone down this route judging by the comments is sounds if its probably worth looking into a china supplier
Next step is to find one who is has a proven product and can be trusted
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
+2
Buying direct from china is all wong.
lol where do you think gardiner poles come from?
China!
Ah I see you are a man who thinks he knows all the answers ben M.
I will try and educate you with an old Chinese proverb:
"Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"! ;)
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
+2
Buying direct from china is all wong.
lol where do you think gardiner poles come from?
China!
Ah I see you are a man who thinks he knows all the answers ben M.
I will try and educate you with an old Chinese proverb:
"Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"! ;)
i know this answer for sure and i even know his supplier in china ;)
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
+2
Buying direct from china is all wong.
lol where do you think gardiner poles come from?
China!
Ah I see you are a man who thinks he knows all the answers ben M.
I will try and educate you with an old Chinese proverb:
"Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"! ;)
i know this answer for sure and i even know his supplier in china ;)
Give us a clue then ben ;)
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
+2
Buying direct from china is all wong.
lol where do you think gardiner poles come from?
China!
Ah I see you are a man who thinks he knows all the answers ben M.
I will try and educate you with an old Chinese proverb:
"Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day"! ;)
i know this answer for sure and i even know his supplier in china ;)
Give us a clue then ben ;)
no point because you couldn't get the same poles anyway ;)
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Personally, i'd rather pay the extra than put a company like Gardiners out of business. If I need a spare section then a quick phone call and it could be with me the next day. Quality issues can be resolved quickly and development of the poles is ongoing.
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Why dont lots of people all order a pole together to get a better priced pole.if you can get 10 orders im sure you can get the price down and get even cheaper.
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Personally, i'd rather pay the extra than put a company like Gardiners out of business. If I need a spare section then a quick phone call and it could be with me the next day. Quality issues can be resolved quickly and development of the poles is ongoing.
+1
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Im looking at investing in a pole somewhere between 45 / 50 ft in the new year
If I can save 300 / 350 plus quid by sourcing from abroad I dont mind where it comes from
The bottom line is what comes out of my pocket at the end of the day as long as the product quality is on par with thoes being supplied in the uk
I was looking for someones comments / thoughts who has actually gone down this route judging by the comments is sounds if its probably worth looking into a china supplier
Next step is to find one who is has a proven product and can be trusted
do you have an e-mail address?can send you some details
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http://m.alibaba.com/product/940483201/carbon_fiber_poles_for_window_cleaning.html
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http://m.alibaba.com/product/1252248160/carbon_fiber_telescopic_window_cleaning_pole.html
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on the right track there ;)
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Im looking at investing in a pole somewhere between 45 / 50 ft in the new year
If I can save 300 / 350 plus quid by sourcing from abroad I dont mind where it comes from
The bottom line is what comes out of my pocket at the end of the day as long as the product quality is on par with thoes being supplied in the uk
I was looking for someones comments / thoughts who has actually gone down this route judging by the comments is sounds if its probably worth looking into a china supplier
Next step is to find one who is has a proven product and can be trusted
do you have an e-mail address?can send you some details
Torreviejawindowcleaners@gmail.com
Please
Thanks g
# have emailed a mate who moved to oz
I know he imports straight from china and saves himself 1/2 on the retail price he would have to pay in perth
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i dont get it.if its not that much cheaper than buying from a uk supplier then why bother?why dont you want to buy from a uk supplier like gardiners who have excellent customer service and shorter collapsed length poles?
id rather pay a bit extra and give business to uk suppliers myself.
regards
dazmond
Exact same for me too
And me too too.
And me too... rather spend my time getting more customers than getting caught up in a completely separate business of importing!
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Don't know if its of any help but if someone owns the pole for 6 months and then imports it into the country it is second hand and therefore no duty or tax is to be paid on it.
Do you know anyone who lives in China?
I used Allibaba to look into importing stainless steel RO pressure vessels, if I bought I few I would of made a packet but I couldn't be bothered with all the hassle and it's quite risky.
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I got a couple but they were chopsticks.
I wouldn't buy another; not for all the tea in Gardiners.
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Save £300? Maybe.
Spend more than two days sorting out the deal? Probably.
Youre better off working and earning the extra cash to buy a tried and tested pole that you know can go back if theres a problem, in my opinion. In particular how much time, effort and stress will you go through if what arrives isnt right in any way? False economy as far as I can see but then again, Im not the one doing it.
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http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/xinbochina/product-detailBqRnVCLxHNpg/China-Carbon-Fibre-Telescopic-Pole-HMCF-.html
I don't know,some of the poles I have been looking at don't look too bad. Just will need a few shiners to club together to order,thats the problem I see.
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That looks pretty similar to the Aquadapter version.
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That looks pretty similar to the Aquadapter version.
strange that :),only problem with that its got those sprung clamps that will constantly need adjusting and i guess the lever will flop about when released-only my thoughts but used those type of clamps before on another pole,thats why i searched for another type of pole and clamps
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I have asked for prices and info on these
http://m.alibaba.com/product/1214945742/carbon_fiber_telescopic_window_cleaning_water.html
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http://m.alibaba.com/product/1288953305/carbon_fiber_telescopic_mast_and_pole.html
54 to 100ft
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Maybe you Wang the Wong number.
Funny you should say that. I asked for an 18, 25 and a 45.
They said do you want rice or chips with them.
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Save £300? Maybe.
Spend more than two days sorting out the deal? Probably.
Youre better off working and earning the extra cash to buy a tried and tested pole that you know can go back if theres a problem, in my opinion. In particular how much time, effort and stress will you go through if what arrives isnt right in any way? False economy as far as I can see but then again, Im not the one doing it.
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I have tried to buy stuff from alibaba before, total PITA!
Let the suppliers deal with the headache - the poles are reasonably priced nowadays anyway.
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I have asked for prices and info on these
http://m.alibaba.com/product/1214945742/carbon_fiber_telescopic_window_cleaning_water.html
just quoted you the shipping cost by UPS : USD 148.00 , I forgot to quote you X.CF100-25 telescopic pole price , sample price is USD 201.00
Wendeng Xinbo Composite Products Co.,Ltd.
Ph. 0086-631-3581111
Fax. 0086-631-3625555
Skype . xinbo-composite
Website: www.composite-china.com
www.composites-china.com
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1700 grammes, £90 for the shipping,what a joke!
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I have asked for prices and info on these
http://m.alibaba.com/product/1214945742/carbon_fiber_telescopic_window_cleaning_water.html
just quoted you the shipping cost by UPS : USD 148.00 , I forgot to quote you X.CF100-25 telescopic pole price , sample price is USD 201.00
Where did you get that from?
Wendeng Xinbo Composite Products Co.,Ltd.
Ph. 0086-631-3581111
Fax. 0086-631-3625555
Skype . xinbo-composite
Website: www.composite-china.com
www.composites-china.com
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1700 grammes, £90 for the shipping,what a joke!
Where did you get prices from?
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How do they ship them?
On a slow boat?
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1700 grammes, £90 for the shipping,what a joke!
Where did you get prices from?
X.CF100-25 : Extended length : 6.9m ; Contracted length : 1.75m Pole weight : around 1700g
from this company: Wendeng Xinbo Composite Products Co.,Ltd (alibaba)
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1700 grammes, £90 for the shipping,what a joke!
Where did you get prices from?
X.CF100-25 : Extended length : 6.9m ; Contracted length : 1.75m Pole weight : around 1700g
from this company: Wendeng Xinbo Composite Products Co.,Ltd (alibaba)
Ask them to do it cheaper.
I want to order one but want 40ft plus
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1700 grammes, £90 for the shipping,what a joke!
Where did you get prices from?
X.CF100-25 : Extended length : 6.9m ; Contracted length : 1.75m Pole weight : around 1700g
from this company: Wendeng Xinbo Composite Products Co.,Ltd (alibaba)
Ask them to do it cheaper.
I want to order one but want 40ft plus
Hi Ben ,
This is discounted shipping cost .
We exported telescopic pole sample to UK , all with UPS express .
If you have account of DHL , Fedex , then we can arrange the sample pole at freight collection .
I think it is worthy to have a fast shipping and a coveted pole with just less than USD 150.00 .
Kind regards,
Maggie
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i'll have the 35!
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i will stay with gardiner, not worth buying directly in china IMAO
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Maybe you Wang the Wong number.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi I bought a 18ft and 45 ft china Pole , exactly the same ones as Kevinc .
The combined price was £440 , plus £54 import tax £500
Superb VERTICAL clamps , the main reason I bought them .
The 45ft Gardiners SuperMax , with clamps that I just hate to use is approx £650
Then add a 18ft at say £180 ? Total £830.
THE CHINA POLE SAVING IS IN BUYING THE 45ft pole.
It will last me ages as it's only used several times a month .
Bought via him sending me a PAYPAL invoice , a few clicks and onced I'd paid he emailed me a hour later saying there in the post
4 days later they were at my house .
So I've saved say £330 .
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Hi I bought a 18ft and 45 ft china Pole , exactly the same ones as Kevinc .
The combined price was £440 , plus £54 import tax £500
Superb VERTICAL clamps , the main reason I bought them .
The 45ft Gardiners SuperMax , with clamps that I just hate to use is approx £650
Then add a 18ft at say £180 ? Total £830.
THE CHINA POLE SAVING IS IN BUYING THE 45ft pole.
It will last me ages as it's only used several times a month .
Bought via him sending me a PAYPAL invoice , a few clicks and onced I'd paid he emailed me a hour later saying there in the post
4 days later they were at my house .
So I've saved say £330 .
if you compare the prices with gardiner pole, can you compare the quality and the weight please?
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Please can some one send me the info over, as I am just about to order a pole.
Worth a look before I pay for it, cheers
wightsurf@hotmail.com
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Clamps are vertical , in my view superb and better than others
Weight th e18ft is 1kg - very similar to other 18ft poles
Weight 45ft - ??, I use it with ease and it is 3kg I think , gardiners I think are 2.7kg
Don't quote me on that as I could be wrong about gardiners .
The big plus was VERTICAL easy to use clamps.
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Hi wightsurf I have emailed the bloke in China and carbon copied you into the email .
He is probably working tonight so you will have a email by the morning .
But your choice , your the buyer ,
I was very happy with the service , I thought I had a problem bolt , he sent me 20 new bolts within 4 days , but it was ok .
To me that's good CUSTIE service .
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Clamps are vertical , in my view superb and better than others
Weight th e18ft is 1kg - very similar to other 18ft poles
Weight 45ft - ??, I use it with ease and it is 3kg I think , gardiners I think are 2.7kg
Don't quote me on that as I could be wrong about gardiners .
The big plus was VERTICAL easy to use clamps.
your 18ft, lighter than a slx18? sorry but it is hard to believe that mate.
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Don't believe it , don't buy one . I'm sure it's the same weight , put it thus way it's a lot lighter than the 25ft slx I use and easier to use for me .
It's a dream using a 18ft pole
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Don't believe it , don't buy one . I'm sure it's the same weight , put it thus way it's a lot lighter than the 25ft slx I use and easier to use for me .
It's a dream using a 18ft pole
which supplier is it please?
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Hi wightsurf I have emailed the bloke in China and carbon copied you into the email .
He is probably working tonight so you will have a email by the morning .
But your choice , your the buyer ,
I was very happy with the service , I thought I had a problem bolt , he sent me 20 new bolts within 4 days , but it was ok .
To me that's good CUSTIE service .
Kempy, I would be interested in that supplier if you could pass on the details I would appreciate it. Dstritch5656@googlemail.com
Cheers.
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Thanks , Kempy
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Cheers for that Kempy.
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If anyone else is going to try these out can you let me know.
cheers
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Im interested if someone can email me details please
info@cleanerbrighterwindowcleaners.co.uk
Cheers guys.
I want a 45 footer.
Do you have any pics also kempy please?
Cheers
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thanks Kempy, i know Richard Law ;)
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Windiewasher
I've emailed him , you should get a response come the morning ???
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you paid 420USD for the 45ft isn't it?
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Windiewasher
I've emailed him , you should get a response come the morning ???
Thanks m8.
Could i see some photos please?
Do they feel as strong as slx?
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Another person on here who has bought from him is KevinC , see his posts .
I'm very happy with mine and he is with his 18,18 ,23,23 poles that he bought .
2 months in and I haven't done any maintence on my poles , I do need to clean the sections , just not had time .
So from me buy in confidence , but it's your choice , decision and your money .
Your the CUSTIE , buy from anywhere I say
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I can't remember 18/45 ft pole came to £430 ish with postage & PayPal£10 inclusive.
He'll email you come the morning 420 = £275 sounds right .
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Dave did you pay directly to his paypal address?
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I had a few emails to him , and decided the easiest way was for him to send me a PAYPAL invoice - then I payed via PAYPAL with one simple click , he received the funds and within 1 hour he had the poles picked up and they were on their way .
4 days later , at my house , amazing
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Shame you've posted his email address up here mate ,
Never mind
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Shame you've posted his email address up here mate ,
Never mind
sorry deleted now, anyway we've got his email address with your e-mail ;)
so did you pay directly to his paypal account?
Thanks
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Yes you can pay straight into his paypal account but I didn't like it that way .
So he sent me a paypal invoice , so I logged into my paypal account and paid .
So in a way yes I did pay via paypal .
But he invoiced me and made it simpler
Good luck if you decide to go down this route
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Yes you can pay straight into his paypal account but I didn't like it that way .
So he sent me a paypal invoice , so I logged into my paypal account and paid .
So in a way yes I did pay via paypal .
But he invoiced me and made it simpler
Good luck if you decide to go down this route
ok thanks
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Got email from them, they look ok.
Think I might go with this.
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Recieved too but closed length is too long.im waiting to hear back from a few others.
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Yep , his emailed me , so I guess you will have a email from them .
The closed length on the 18ft is slightly longer than the slx , but fits in my transit with no problems.
The big money saving is in the 45ft pole , especially if like me you only use it weekly.
Hope it all helps , the decision is yours , I'm happy I did it .
And I'll buy more in the future , always best to buy 2 at a time .
Especially as you just transfer your stuff from your previous pole onto them
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That 45' pole is 7'6'' closed.
Does having longer sections like this make the pole more rigid at full extension, compared to a 45' pole with a shorter closed length ie shorter sections ???.
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Hi I bought a 18ft and 45 ft china Pole , exactly the same ones as Kevinc .
The combined price was £440 , plus £54 import tax £500
Superb VERTICAL clamps , the main reason I bought them .
The 45ft Gardiners SuperMax , with clamps that I just hate to use is approx £650
Then add a 18ft at say £180 ? Total £830.
THE CHINA POLE SAVING IS IN BUYING THE 45ft pole.
It will last me ages as it's only used several times a month .
Bought via him sending me a PAYPAL invoice , a few clicks and onced I'd paid he emailed me a hour later saying there in the post
4 days later they were at my house .
So I've saved say £330 .
So was the shipping about £90 for the two poles. Just trying to get a handle on costs.
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That 45' pole is 7'6'' closed.
Does having longer sections like this make the pole more rigid at full extension, compared to a 45' pole with a shorter closed length ie shorter sections ???.
It makes it VERY, VERY difficult to use!! I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!!
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Why difficult to use , I did my 4 story jobs with ease , no problem.
Persons asked for information and I've given them it .
If you don't like it or have concerns then don't buy them and spend the extra £300+ on gardiners stuff or other companies .
Some persons on here are so negative , the poles are good solid poles with superior clamps in my eyes . Yes the gardiners maybe marginally better ??
But for a 45ft pole for occasionally use I'm well happy .
Think there's also modular 60ft ones for £550
Persons absorb the information and if you don't like it then don't buy it .
This is a public forum , to get good advise from etc
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Why difficult to use , I did my 4 story jobs with ease , no problem.
Persons asked for information and I've given them it .
If you don't like it or have concerns then don't buy them and spend the extra £300+ on gardiners stuff or other companies .
Some persons on here are so negative , the poles are good solid poles with superior clamps in my eyes . Yes the gardiners maybe marginally better ??
But for a 45ft pole for occasionally use I'm well happy .
Think there's also modular 60ft ones for £550
Persons absorb the information and if you don't like it then don't buy it .
This is a public forum , to get good advise from etc
I agree Kempy, that's why I put my opinion over. I've used a pole with 7ft sections & would NEVER use one again, let alone buy one. Not saying the poles are not good in every other aspect but section length here is a MAJOR flaw!
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Ok fair enough
It fits in my Mwb transit van with ease , it extends with ease , it decends with ease and works well .
The clamps are great , the sections are great , and that's it really.
Oh yes the price - fantastic.
The above does for me .
I wouldn't like to spend £200 to £1000 on poles that have excellent sections but the clamps are terrible in operation .that's why I bought vertical clamp poles .
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Thanks for the help with the supplier, I will let you know how it goes.
I'm waiting for a response from them.
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Why difficult to use , I did my 4 story jobs with ease , no problem.
Persons asked for information and I've given them it .
If you don't like it or have concerns then don't buy them and spend the extra £300+ on gardiners stuff or other companies .
Some persons on here are so negative , the poles are good solid poles with superior clamps in my eyes . Yes the gardiners maybe marginally better ??
But for a 45ft pole for occasionally use I'm well happy .
Think there's also modular 60ft ones for £550
Persons absorb the information and if you don't like it then don't buy it .
This is a public forum , to get good advise from etc
I agree Kempy, that's why I put my opinion over. I've used a pole with 7ft sections & would NEVER use one again, let alone buy one. Not saying the poles are not good in every other aspect but section length here is a MAJOR flaw!
I agree. It is a c**** in the pole's armour.
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i had his prices, not worth imo, closed length not good,the clamps look fragile and cheap
Not worth saving few pennies, i prefer to buy from uk supplier like gardiner, we know they have great poles and the customer service is perfect!
So buying poles straight out of china? no for me, i am OUT ;)
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id rather pay extra and buy from gardiners for 3 reasons.
1.shorter collapsed length.
2.excellent customer service.
3.gardiner poles are lighter so make my working day easier.massive plus than saving £300-£400 on a pole.
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4. they come with a pen.
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4. they come with a pen.
;D
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4. they come with a pen.
Dazmond has the beanie!
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dont have to go to china for poles...mine come from b&q £14.99
unbeatable value ;)
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can you forward the email address Kempy please. hickeys45@gmail.com
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and me too please
petethoms@ymail.com
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Reminder - Racism is taken seriously here at Clean It Up and anyone deemed to be doing so will be banned.
Thanks.
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Really? - my comment was deemed racist? Seriously? :o
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I blame Griffin.
He's a bad influence.
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Well my China pole is the first out of the van , the 25ft and 30ft SLX's are left in their just for the height .
In 2 months I've not had to Readjust or do anything .
Every time I get the slx's out I have to mess about with HORRIBLE. Clamps , or just hate using them . Several persons from other forums agree who have PM , me .
If money is no problem then the gardiners stuff is better if your not fussy about clamps.
But some of you comment and haven't even touched them.
At least I've got both products , and choose the way I work .
To he the gardiner slx is like buying a Bentley - Tate sections etc , but with a fiat engine - the clamps .
But I guess this is "I love Gardiners Forum " .
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Thanks for the help with the supplier, I will let you know how it goes.
I'm waiting for a response from them.
Have you decided what your doing yet
How much did the chinease lads quote you and what size
I think you can also get specials made by them
(Shorter sections i presume)
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Thanks for the help with the supplier, I will let you know how it goes.
I'm waiting for a response from them.
Have you decided what your doing yet
How much did the chinease lads quote you and what size
I think you can also get specials made by them
(Shorter sections i presume)
Yes still looking into this. The problem they have with shorter sections is they only have 6 clamps so pole length is judged by these 6 clamps.
Hopefully in the next couple of days I might know more.
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I blame Griffin.
He's a bad influence.
I'm not racist. I'm just incredibly ignorant.
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I blame Griffin.
He's a bad influence.
I'm not racist. I'm just incredibly ignorant.
Well im obviously a wacist as my post was removed by forum admin. ::)roll
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I blame Griffin.
He's a bad influence.
I'm not racist. I'm just incredibly ignorant.
Well im obviously a wacist as my post was removed by forum admin. ::)roll
Arh so
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Hi Pete Thomas
I've sent email to u and him
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I inquired about going this route but with the new poles coming out in the UK i decided to go locally. prices are going down but still not as low as china.
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Kempy can you send me details mate,cheers
matt7219@virginmedia.com
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Hi mate
Sent it out to him
About 20 persons been given it now
Enjoy the vertical clamps wfp'ers
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Anyone have any pics/vids if these Chinese poles in use?
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I've had mine 8 weeks , not had to adjust anything .
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Anyone bought one , I passed the details onto plenty
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Anyone bought one , I passed the details onto plenty
Kempy, maybe it puts people off 'buying blind' so to speak....it has me.
Any chance of you or Kevsey putting a few pics/video of these Chinese poles in use.
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Hi Kempy,
Im using two brodex poles one 28ft glass fibre and an Ali (bigger one) :) wondered why my friends were laughing at the size of my arms!!! tried my friends carbon fibre and nearly threw it over my head it was so light.
Im in desperate need of a carbon fibre pole please could you send me details as well??
lee@neighbourhoodwash.co.uk
thanks
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I can't do pictures , I'm into my third month I think , never adjusted them etc and working fine .
I think their stronger than my slx's in terms of the clamps and the sections .
But in confidence I say , I'm sure you've bought blind before .
If you have email I'll send your details to him and then he will send you the information pictures etc
I know of 6 of these poles being used with no problem .
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Basically anyone who buys one of them poles is saving money, thats great!
What happens if it comes and a clamps bust? Or you use it for a few weeks and the sections spin?
At least with gardiners we know we will get sorted!
I just think its alot of money with no refunds or help if needed.
When a mechanic buys tools he will always say "it doesnt pay to buy cheap tools"
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Basically anyone who buys one of them poles is saving money, thats great!
What happens if it comes and a clamps bust? Or you use it for a few weeks and the sections spin?
At least with gardiners we know we will get sorted!
I just think its alot of money with no refunds or help if needed.
When a mechanic buys tools he will always say "it doesnt pay to buy cheap tools"
see your point there damo,you can order a spare set of clamps at purchase think they work out about £2.50 each,clamp levers are available in the uk from a well known supplier,as for spinning sections mine haven't shown one hint of spinning or wearing at that point or any point on the pole sections-even if they ever do i would do what you do and laquer the sections back up,the pole is used yesterday saved me half an hour over a three hour job yesterday just by the clamps being easier and more ergonomic than any other clamp i have ever used
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Used my 18ft yesterday kev , and it's a bind when I get the slx's 25ft or 30ft out because I lose time messing about with the clamps .
25ft has got the old style clamps , 2012 pole , and it's what 18month old and needs the upgraded clamps that are still pathetic to use .
Persons on here knock us for buying these China poles , personally I'd be annoyed like I have been that I bought a 25ft SLX at what £400 ? , that needs another set of upgraded clamps that are still poor , I've lacquered the sections etc .
I'm sure this BULLET PROOF China pole will need far less TLC than the expensive
I would never buy another SLX or extreame as they are very expensive and are fitted with pathetic clamps to use in operation in my opinion .
It's like having a Ferrari with my transit engine in it .
I feel the slx next generation clamp , and I'm sure their will be another upgrade - I wonder why - surely needs to be totally different .
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With respect Kempy, let's see what your Chinese pole is like in 18 months eh?
I've never had any issue with Gardiner clamps. In 10 years of WFP I've used many different poles & many of these with vertical clamps. I MUCH prefer the transverse clamps on Gardiner poles, faster, easier, just a dream to use, can't see the problem at all. I still have a MKI SLX25 going strong which is what, 5 years old now. I also have a two year old SLX with no spinning sections or clamp issues. I have a Xtreme 47 which is also without issue. Even given the choice I would select a transverse clamp everytime.
I think the problem lies with yourself & not the clamps!
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The reason the new clamps are horizonatally rather than vertically is to maximise yhe life out of a pole without having to get your screw drivers put to tighten a spinning section.
I can honestly say i have never spent more than 5 seconds messing about with a section and thats probs only once a week!
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Just not for me .
I use gardiner hoses , brushes , carbon necks etc and the crusty support is good .
But the clamps are just not for me .
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Just not for me .
I use gardiner hoses , brushes , carbon necks etc and the crusty support is good .
But the clamps are just not for me .
The upgraded clamps are a complete pia. I wish I had read the lacquer the pole thread first, I would never have upgraded.
Most of my buying is done at Gardiners but their back pack and those clamps are pants.
Tony
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Just not for me .
I use gardiner hoses , brushes , carbon necks etc and the crusty support is good .
But the clamps are just not for me .
The upgraded clamps are a complete pia. I wish I had read the lacquer the pole thread first, I would never have upgraded.
Most of my buying is done at Gardiners but their back pack and those clamps are pants.
Tony
I'm not sure if you have already contacted the office regarding this clamp problem, but I have sent you an email anyway.
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Not just me then .
I was knocked down for mentioning how pathetic they are in use .
Persons saying it was just me , but I know of about a dozen , plus the likes of yourself and many more .
Think my 25 ft slx is a 2012 pole that is in desperate need of the new clamps , but because the upgrade of £30 ish is too expensive for such a poor clamp , I just lacquer each section up and wd40 the original clamps and give it TLC .
Terrible that such expensive poles , high quality carbon sections , great carbon neck and a good set of variety of brushes have such a poor clamping system in operation .
But I'm just in the minority who finds them terrible in operation , they sought the spinning sections out in my slx30ft but still need adjustment .
Imagine buying the extreame , and having these clamps at that price .
I wonder if there be another upgrade or different type of clamp .
Aqua adaptor I wonder what there's are like
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Not just me then .
I was knocked down for mentioning how pathetic they are in use .
Persons saying it was just me , but I know of about a dozen , plus the likes of yourself and many more .
Think my 25 ft slx is a 2012 pole that is in desperate need of the new clamps , but because the upgrade of £30 ish is too expensive for such a poor clamp , I just lacquer each section up and wd40 the original clamps and give it TLC .
Terrible that such expensive poles , high quality carbon sections , great carbon neck and a good set of variety of brushes have such a poor clamping system in operation .
But I'm just in the minority who finds them terrible in operation , they sought the spinning sections out in my slx30ft but still need adjustment .
Imagine buying the extreame , and having these clamps at that price .
I wonder if there be another upgrade or different type of clamp .
Aqua adaptor I wonder what there's are like
Kempy are you left handed?
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Not just me then .
I was knocked down for mentioning how pathetic they are in use .
Persons saying it was just me , but I know of about a dozen , plus the likes of yourself and many more .
Think my 25 ft slx is a 2012 pole that is in desperate need of the new clamps , but because the upgrade of £30 ish is too expensive for such a poor clamp , I just lacquer each section up and wd40 the original clamps and give it TLC .
Terrible that such expensive poles , high quality carbon sections , great carbon neck and a good set of variety of brushes have such a poor clamping system in operation .
But I'm just in the minority who finds them terrible in operation , they sought the spinning sections out in my slx30ft but still need adjustment .
Imagine buying the extreame , and having these clamps at that price .
I wonder if there be another upgrade or different type of clamp .
Aqua adaptor I wonder what there's are like
Out of the tens of thousands of Gardiner poles sold, I would say yes, you are indeed a minority Kempy!
Make your mind up, one minute it's just that they're not for you, then the next a complete slagging?
As said, I've used the SLX's since day one of original release & same with the Xtreme pole & do not have any clamp issues. MUCH better than the huge vertical clamps that were on my Facelift carbon pole!
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Not just me then .
I was knocked down for mentioning how pathetic they are in use .
Persons saying it was just me , but I know of about a dozen , plus the likes of yourself and many more .
Think my 25 ft slx is a 2012 pole that is in desperate need of the new clamps , but because the upgrade of £30 ish is too expensive for such a poor clamp , I just lacquer each section up and wd40 the original clamps and give it TLC .
Terrible that such expensive poles , high quality carbon sections , great carbon neck and a good set of variety of brushes have such a poor clamping system in operation .
But I'm just in the minority who finds them terrible in operation , they sought the spinning sections out in my slx30ft but still need adjustment .
Imagine buying the extreame , and having these clamps at that price .
I wonder if there be another upgrade or different type of clamp .
Aqua adaptor I wonder what there's are like
Burn the heretic.
Actually, the slx is a top pole. If you look after it, it'll last years. I've got two of them, one Wor Lass uses and one I use. Hers is worn and has spinning sections and mine is great. The difference is that I take the care to look after and use mine properly; if a section spins, I adjust the clamp. This prevents wear on the pole with grit 'n' dirt. She doesn't. She'll clean ground floor windows with the clamps not done tightly enough and the spin wears the pole.
I even stripped mine down, washed it all inside 'n' out, put it back together in about five minutes mid-job yesterday. She won't take the time to do that.
So my pole is in great nick, hers isn't.
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I can't see how the Chinese poles can possibly be any better after the same amount of wear. ???
I've never had a problem with Gardiners clamps (apart from the glue) - I have had loads of problems with pole wear though - same as every carbon pole manufacturer will have. The material is not brilliant at resisting wear when it undergoes so much friction. Can't see a way around it to be honest. If you want carbon then you have to put up with black hands and spinning sections eventually.
Early users of the new Facelift poles reckoned they didn't wear - look on youtube and see for yourself - just as bad.
Aquadapter? they didn't even know how long they should make the poles a couple of months back - I suspect they will be coming from the same place as yours Kempy
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^^^^ If they ever do come....still not in stock :-X.
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clamps they are so old hat,i have banded buffers on my harris poles ;)
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Oh dear
The " I love gardiners gang again , no problem
I've said every part of the gardiner pole is great , just the clamps , so not a complete slagging of .
I just don't like the operation of them , and believe me there's a lot of persons that don't.
If they were that good why on a third generation , offered and received extra bolts with thread lock on them .
Is there a new cam available , or further upgrades ??
Why does it have further upgrades - is quality not good enough ??
I certainly know how to look after stuff with being a ex Army Mechanic . I have lacquered the slx's up , no problem .
I just wouldn't part with £400plus for the complete pole set up
Where do you think the gardiner pole sections come from ???
Manufactured in China perhaps ????.
I could be totally wrong ?
The sections are great , brushes are good , carbon neck fantastic , hose is good . Just the clamps I don't like .
Sorry
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Oh dear
The " I love gardiners gang again , no problem
I've said every part of the gardiner pole is great , just the clamps , so not a complete slagging of .
I just don't like the operation of them , and believe me there's a lot of persons that don't.
If they were that good why on a third generation , offered and received extra bolts with thread lock on them .
Is there a new cam available , or further upgrades ??
Why does it have further upgrades - is quality not good enough ??
I certainly know how to look after stuff with being a ex Army Mechanic . I have lacquered the slx's up , no problem .
I just wouldn't part with £400plus for the complete pole set up
Where do you think the gardiner pole sections come from ???
Manufactured in China perhaps ????.
I could be totally wrong ?
The sections are great , brushes are good , carbon neck fantastic , hose is good . Just the clamps I don't like .
Sorry
Maybe work on increasing your prices Kempy, £400 for such an excellent piece of equipment is a bargain!! ;D
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Oh dear , no need to question my ability to afford these poles , my prices etc
I have a 25 ft slx
And a 30ft slx
So I can afford them .
I just won't buy another yet , my China 18ft and 45ft will do me fine ,
Funny how 20 or 30 persons have emailed asking about them as there not happy with certain parts of their current poles .
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Oh dear , no need to question my ability to afford these poles , my prices etc
I have a 25 ft slx
And a 30ft slx
So I can afford them .
I just won't buy another yet , my China 18ft and 45ft will do me fine ,
Funny how 20 or 30 persons have emailed asking about them as there not happy with certain parts of their current poles .
i am very happy with my gardiner poles, was just curious, and it is not worth buying them IMAO so i am out.
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Kempy, i'm interested to know why you think your poles will outlast the Gardiner poles?
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I'm not sure if I've ever said they will out last a gardiner pole . My 2012 25ft slx has been lacquered up and the original clamps are just about had there day.
So my China pole has probably only got to last 18 months and I'll be very happy.
So to be fair I'd imagine it COULD do .
Gardiners stuff is good , good CUSTIE back up , just the clamps are not for me guys , sorry to have a opinion on this .
Sorry for opening persons eyes to another type of pole that they can decide to buy or not .
I've posted details about another product , from a different company
THATS ALL.
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
Dont let the door smack you on your backside on your way out.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
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kempys view of a slx on another forum back in feb 2009
quote "
The brush head is excellant , and the whole pole is great .It makes my day easier due to the lightness and also doing above conservatories are easier now .
Great Pole, credit to gardiners ."
kempy I believe seems to had a problem with the clamps when he broke his hand?? true kempy
;D ;D ;D
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
I, for one, hope you reconsider, Kempy. I've always valued your contribution to this forum.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
What so you take the opinion of two guys over thousands upon thousands of others?
It might be a few quid cheaper but it will take more than just "two guys" to convince most people. To prove that point, how many have actually ordered one of these poles? Out of almost 1800 views, not even a handful seem to have done so?
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
What so you take the opinion of two guys over thousands upon thousands of others?
It might be a few quid cheaper but it will take more than just "two guys" to convince most people. To prove that point, how many have actually ordered one of these poles? Out of almost 1800 views, not even a handful seem to have done so?
actually it two opinions against maybe half dozen on this forum(this is a shock
but this forum isnt the centre of the universe)who have voiced a opposite
view.
Doesnt mean a thing.
lot of wfp cleaners in the birmingham area where i am...i have only personally
met two who have gardiners poles,the vast majority have brodex and ionics
does that make them better then
just asking out of interest...like :)
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
What so you take the opinion of two guys over thousands upon thousands of others?
It might be a few quid cheaper but it will take more than just "two guys" to convince most people. To prove that point, how many have actually ordered one of these poles? Out of almost 1800 views, not even a handful seem to have done so?
actually it two opinions against maybe half dozen on this forum(this is a shock
but this forum isnt the centre of the universe)who have voiced a opposite
view.
Doesnt mean a thing.
lot of wfp cleaners in the birmingham area where i am...i have only personally
met two who have gardiners poles,the vast majority have brodex and ionics
does that make them better then
just asking out of interest...like :)
I was Ionics all the way until I took a punt on Gardiners.
There are aspects to ionic that I prefer.
But I won't be going back.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
What so you take the opinion of two guys over thousands upon thousands of others?
It might be a few quid cheaper but it will take more than just "two guys" to convince most people. To prove that point, how many have actually ordered one of these poles? Out of almost 1800 views, not even a handful seem to have done so?
actually it two opinions against maybe half dozen on this forum(this is a shock
but this forum isnt the centre of the universe)who have voiced a opposite
view.
Doesnt mean a thing.
lot of wfp cleaners in the birmingham area where i am...i have only personally
met two who have gardiners poles,the vast majority have brodex and ionics
does that make them better then
just asking out of interest...like :)
That depends on how many forums you use & for how long you've been about Gary. ;D
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I was Ionics all the way until I took a punt on Gardiners.
There are aspects to ionic that I prefer.
But I won't be going back.
Kempy was Gardiners all the way until he took a punt on the Chinese.
There were aspects to Gardiners that Kempy preferred.
But he won't be going back.
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I was Ionics all the way until I took a punt on Gardiners.
There are aspects to ionic that I prefer.
But I won't be going back.
Kempy was Gardiners all the way until he took a punt on the Chinese.
There were aspects to Gardiners that Kempy preferred.
But he won't be going back.
Fair point.
I would always give another pole a crack.
I really can't bear the long clamps though.
Ionic & Gardiner both do transverse clamps which I get on really well with.
I think it's good that there's the option if either depending which brand you buy.
Horses for courses and everyone is happy.
Tbh I don't get why Kempy is getting grief.
He doesn't like Gardiners clamps. So what? He can spend his money wherever he likes and was telling others his thoughts.
That's what a forum is all about in my eyes.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
Think you'll find your answer when yet another company (Aquadapter) start selling their Chinese poles.
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
Think you'll find your answer when yet another company (Aquadapter) start selling their Chinese poles.
So CIU now has a Japanese Geordie and a Chinese Pole.
How very multicultural we are!
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well i guess i'm the second person to use these poles! gary 999 what a star you are,you approach the idea from a different angle-you are happy with what you use but are open to ideas(don't ever forget that mate)just because we found something different from the usual stuff you find in the uk we get grief over it because it doesn't fall within the "guidelines"on this forum,it has long been known to the forum community as a one brand forum,so it would be very unlikely that any new suggested idea would at least be considered,god some of you slate the idea but the amount of money you claim you earn per day you have nothing to lose by trying one,yet you slag someone off by doing something different/from the norm-this is called progression guys,things move on in small ways,it doesn't always come from st austall.
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Oooo, the self pity, you poor, poor soles!! get a grip! ;D
I think you'll find it's debate, not greif. Kempy's experience with Gardiner clamps is not my experience & also not the same experience of many others too. This is when you'll find the opinions of others.
If a chinese pole works for you then great, keep using it. If others also want to buy them great also. However, you'll never convince me that Gardiners clamps rubbish!! ;)
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I often wonder if Kempy's poles were made and sold for the same price just down the road, would everyone not be scampering to buy them and sing the praise of the company who sold them.
It was a good thread in an world of commerce that is getting smaller and easier to trade in as the internet grow's.
All who have knocked him for giving out detail's of a competitive product, really are stuck in the mud sad little people.
how do you know is a competitive product, did you buy one?
I think with the two guy's who are using them giving the thumb's up and the price they paid, competitive seem's relevant.
What so you take the opinion of two guys over thousands upon thousands of others?
It might be a few quid cheaper but it will take more than just "two guys" to convince most people. To prove that point, how many have actually ordered one of these poles? Out of almost 1800 views, not even a handful seem to have done so?
Winpro, I have not got a clue what that statement means, it has no relevance to what I actually posted in your quote. I suggest you read what I said again and try to understand what my point is.
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Im thinking of buying my next van in mainland China and having it shipped here. I should be able to save around 50% on the price of a new van. Who is interested in doing it with me?
After that I think Ill move on to clothing, shoes and household electrical goods. Much better to buy direct than to have middle men making a profit. Ill save a fortune.
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Well me old Chinoise and Chinoises ...
Kempy had an SLX25 and SLX35; bought an 18 and a 45.
Well I would surmise that any c/f 18 is going to feel much lighter than a 25.
Of course if his "broken hand?" could cope with the clamps all he need have done was bought the 45. Why you ask? Yes, why Gold? I'll tell you...
Take the SLX35 and remove largest 3 sections; put a splitter in the pole hose so you haven't got loops of extra hose to deal with (but can add it if you need to). You now have a four section SLX "20" - more useful than an SLX18 and less heavy than an SLX22 or SLX25.
You now have an "SLX20", an SLX25 and a Shanghai 45.
You have saved the cost of the 18ft pole! You have 2ft of extra reach!
As my reward please send "Alf" the helper round from the local take-away with a Hong Kong Sweet and Sour and chips please - I like a British-Chinese mix; very tasty.
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Well me old Chinoise and Chinoises ...
Kempy had an SLX25 and SLX35; bought an 18 and a 45.
Well I would surmise that any c/f 18 is going to feel much lighter than a 25.
Of course if his "broken hand?" could cope with the clamps all he need have done was bought the 45. Why you ask? Yes, why Gold? I'll tell you...
Take the SLX35 and remove largest 3 sections; put a splitter in the pole hose so you haven't got loops of extra hose to deal with (but can add it if you need to). You now have a four section SLX "20" - more useful than an SLX18 and less heavy than an SLX22 or SLX25.
You now have an "SLX20", an SLX35 and a Shanghai 45.
You have saved the cost of the 18ft pole! You have 2ft of extra reach!
As my reward please send "Alf" the helper round from the local take-away with a Hong Kong Sweet and Sour and chips please - I like a British-Chinese mix; very tasty.
;D
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>Lee at Neighbourhood Wash (Brilliant name BTW)
Go and buy an SLX 22 for £188. Just do it. If you're scratching for cash ask a friend or family to lend you it - you'll get the money back in spades by being able to do much more work in a day if you stop messing around with those scaffolding poles; don't waste time investigating a Chinese option.
I've had my SLX's 3 and 5 years and they work fine.
>Anyone else - With the new SLX47 available at £496 - why would you go to China? For occasional use you won't need the extreme and you'll get all those solar panels and 5th floors too!
>Alex Gardiner
A pint of finest Cornish ale to go with my take away please for endorsing your products!
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Im thinking of buying my next van in mainland China and having it shipped here. I should be able to save around 50% on the price of a new van. Who is interested in doing it with me?
After that I think Ill move on to clothing, shoes and household electrical goods. Much better to buy direct than to have middle men making a profit. Ill save a fortune.
Couldnt agree more!! There is usually a reason why we dont order from china and places like that.
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you lot should go and tell most of the western world thats dying to
open trade with the chinese how poope they are..about time
somebody who knows what they are talking about told cameron to
get his arse back home and stop wasting tax payers money in china ;D
my own experience of chinese products in my former employment
was they were very good at reproducing existing products but wasnt
so quick on the uptake when it came to new ideas
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you lot should go and tell most of the western world thats dying to
open trade with the chinese how poope they are..about time
somebody who knows what they are talking about told cameron to
get his arse back home and stop wasting tax payers money in china ;D
my own experience of chinese products in my former employment
was they were very good at reproducing existing products but wasnt
so quick on the uptake when it came to new ideas
Ahem I would beg to differ.....(cough)....http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-09/07/content_15741864.htm ;D
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
Dont let the door smack you on your backside on your way out.
How mature Mr Mills.
You would think this was a public forum for people to express their views and experiences!
How scandalous of kempy to say he dislikes part of a product, and also save others hundreds of pounds by highlighting an alternative product.
Shocking!
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Hi - I didn't have a problem with the clamps when I broke my hand .
I've never liked the UPGRADED clamps , always having to adjust them etc as you all know - I think the cam is too big , or the gap between the cam and the lever is too big.
Anyway I'm no expert on manufacturing or innovation .
Gardiners still produce and sell loads of great products and good CUSTIE service / back up , just like aqua adaptor and pure freedom .... , and the little shop in Hunslet /Leeds.
I'm just a independant window cleaner who uses several companies . I'm not blinkered or biased to any company , there's good and bad in them all .
TODAY I used my 30ft slx for 30 mins , then my 18ft CHINA POLE for 3 hours .
Then my 25ft slx for 30 mins and then the last 2 hours back to the CHINA POLE .
So I'm not one dimensional . But I did have to mess about again with the clamps going the other way etc .
I love my gardiner CILL. Brushes and CARBON NECKS. . Thermobore 6 mm reel hose etc . I love my aqua adaptor .
I did not initiate this post , I just OPENED YOUR eyes up to another way of buying poles , I'm i bothered if you bought them , no , not really as I have nothing to gain from it financially or personally . I don't even know the seller apart from he is very helpful , positive and solves any issue instantly .
I have been grateful for persons who first put me onto gardiner poles etc , the aqua adaptor , pure freedom , protectakote , the buying of the gas AMERY heater .
All this advise and tips on buying a variety of products came from me getting ADVICE FROM GUYS SUCH AS YOURSELVES ON THE FORUMS .
The plastic van liner trays on ebay at £25-£35 are my next purchase - again a tip from this forum .
All I was doing was giving advice on a new cheaper alternative full carbon fibre pole , yes I was probably too critical of the upgraded gardiner clamp , lesson learned , but it is a rubbish upgrade in my OPINION and a few others .
I'm grateful of kev telling me about these poles , great advice the 45 ft at £320 was a marvellous buy for the few hours I use it weekly .
Think just a few on here need to lighten up a bit and maybe use a bit of variety in there tool-kits .
A few are probably testers etc for certain products/companies and hence are totally biased and bullish on this product - who knows .
I'm just a hard working honest person who uses a variety of companies and products and takes some superb advice from 90% of the persons on here .
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You lot make me laugh ;D
im not buying from china im buying from gardiners ;D
its ok cause gardiners buy from china and charge you more.
Fair play to you Kempy if you like your poles from china good on you.
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I am a big gardiner fan. But if something works better I will use that instead.
I think you guys will like my next video ;)
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Yes I thought the comment from Dave mills was laughable , amazing .
My advice wasnt't aimed at him to buy poles , or to even like the poles . Amazing to be so aggressive etc .
Myself a trained ex Army mechanic and Kevin a ex engineer and very very clever bloke in a number of ways are two persons who have took a gamble on buying these poles for PERSONAL USE , and not for any monetary / sales gain .
Gave the advice out on this forum and to many via personal email , I never advertised it on here as I respect the forum etc and don't believe in advertising stuff too much . Someone I emailed stuff to , then posted it up on here , but then removed it , nice one.
All in all , buy what you want and advise and comment on your experiences .
WE ALL WILL GAIN from advice
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
Dont let the door smack you on your backside on your way out.
How mature Mr Mills.
You would think this was a public forum for people to express their views and experiences!
How scandalous of kempy to say he dislikes part of a product, and also save others hundreds of pounds by highlighting an alternative product.
Shocking!
I have no beef with anyone arguing any point on this forum. I do have a beef with someone who then flounces out because people are arguing back, and I reserve the right to mercilessly take the p*ss out of them.
So Im clearly on the same side as you. See?
Public forum: Check
Place for people to express their views: Check
Place to say you dislike a product: Check
Place to help people save money: Check
I agree with you entirely. My comment was specifically over the two year old tantrum when he flounced out.
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Yes I thought the comment from Dave mills was laughable , amazing .
My advice wasnt't aimed at him to buy poles , or to even like the poles . Amazing to be so aggressive etc .
Myself a trained ex Army mechanic and Kevin a ex engineer and very very clever bloke in a number of ways are two persons who have took a gamble on buying these poles for PERSONAL USE , and not for any monetary / sales gain .
Gave the advice out on this forum and to many via personal email , I never advertised it on here as I respect the forum etc and don't believe in advertising stuff too much . Someone I emailed stuff to , then posted it up on here , but then removed it , nice one.
All in all , buy what you want and advise and comment on your experiences .
WE ALL WILL GAIN from advice
As stated above, my comment was about you flouncing off like a toddler and threatening never to talk again because people (not me) were rude to you. Man up.
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I would still love to see a picture of these poles?
and intil then I will have a open mind ;D
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Well that's me done ...
I will just read on this forum from now on .
I did here of the reputation of this forum being a bit bullish and not so friendly .
Lesson learned , maybe I've been too critical at times , my fault , a little bit naive on my part .
Some things written down get read a different way to how I wanted then to be read .
C ya
Have a good Xmas
I don't think I acted like a baby , I was just a little bit shocked at some aggressive posters and the way they attacked me for just posting some advice .
I'm big enough to take critism and wasn't acting like a child .
Like I said , posting my experiences
That's all, Man up , that sums up your language etc .
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I'll take a few pictures franky on my ipad and send them to your email and then you post on here
Cheers
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Here's a pic of them.
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/e670c3ec795a1c01e7c9fc11dad5575f_zpsdf6ead36.jpg)
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99% of my work is done with one pole only - a thirty foot Extreme. Never break it down any shorter than that.
The problem I see with the pole above is the size of the clamps. Lateral clamps serve a purpose - to reduce the total clamp area of a collapsed pole.
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Kempy, can i buy your slx25 please?
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Yep , the negatives of my above poles that Jonny posted up for me are the collapsed length isn't as good as a gardiners . But manageable and fits in my transit van easily .
The vertical clamps are so so easy to use , flip it fully and it opens up , close it just say 10/20 degrees and it acts as a brake , therefore to extend /descend and keep a section in place you don't have to fully close it - quicker than a gardiners
Over gutters -superb .
The carbon sections feel very very strong .
A carbon fibre pole is pretty much similar to the mkt leader ones - or should. I say the big 4 China manufacturers .
The neck , brush , pole hose us what ever you want
3 month in , not even had to fine tube them yet with the odd bolt tighten , nothing done to it yet .
Whereas with my gardiner we clamps I'm always adjusting and getting them to face the right way.
The slx's are better closed in length , but sections are similar in strength and weight . Just these clamps are better for me
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Here's a pic of them.
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/e670c3ec795a1c01e7c9fc11dad5575f_zpsdf6ead36.jpg)
They look VERY much like the old Facelift clamps!!
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It's 2012 with the older original clamps , work better these but you need to lacquer the sections up
Red AD hose
Aqua adaptor on it
10" carbon neck and white gardiner CILL brush .
Had a offer off £170 from mike
Could sell without bits or aqua adaptor on it .
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Probably are .
I don't know facelift never had one .
The China supplier , Richard says he'll send me the new updated clamps once his manufactured them . Hope they stay vertical , but this 18ft sjouke last me 12 -18 month
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Here's a pic of them.
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/e670c3ec795a1c01e7c9fc11dad5575f_zpsdf6ead36.jpg)
They look VERY much like the old Facelift clamps!!
they are facelift clamps!
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I have a feeling once people see the pictures they will be less inclined to dismiss these poles. They seem to think the poles are bamboo, and clamped together with string. Lol ;D
They look very good quality.
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The sections to me feel stronger than my slx . But they may not be .
How strong do they need to be on the 18ft pole , or even the 45ft pole .
I extend it the way it should be , I don't want to run over it etc .
I think their good , 3 month I know is a short time , but the clamps are what it's all about .
Franky will I hope post several photos of them tomorrow .
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kempy, it would be interesting to see the difference in the weight and flex of your china pole against a gariner pole, do you have 2 the same lenght, if not could you take a few sections off your 45ft to make it a 25ft, then do the old flex test with a bottle hanging off the end?
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I'll try and do something , I have two kids mate a 8 & 3 year old , don't have the time to be a pole GEEK .
I'll try mate , take a photo maybe , I have a CHINA 18ft and slx 25ft .
In my honesty , if you need a 45ft pole , these are a great buy .
If your buying just a 18ft pole then the aqua adaptor VLITE and gardiners that come fully complete are maybe a better buy if your just buying one 18ft pole .
But if you want 2 or 3 poles I feel this has been a good good decision .
I think 45ft and 18ft cost me £440 all in .
Then bought the necks,hose,brush .
But they can be supplied with a alloy neck for a extra 4 quid
Anyway there you go
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they look good solid poles kempy.if they work for you then fair play.
i wont buy direct from china simply because the poles will be heavier than the extremes.the difference for example between the SLX and extreme poles is immense.
it makes one hell of a difference how you feel at the end of the day poling.which is what i do 95% of my working day.
even more so at 40-50 ft.the higher you go the more strain.even if you dont do too much higher work. if your swapping to a heavier pole(than it needs to be) for higher work your leaving yourself open to shoulder problems,strains and RSI.
EXTREME 25 gets used for most work
EXTREME 47 as and when its needed(about 10 times a month)
2 poles thats it.
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Here's a pic of them.
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s650/OnlyUseMeWFP/e670c3ec795a1c01e7c9fc11dad5575f_zpsdf6ead36.jpg)
They look VERY much like the old Facelift clamps!!
they are facelift clamps!
I suspect they are the "old school" Facelift poles. I used to have one. Solid poles but way too heavy & the clamps make for a long closed length.
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I found some carbon poles couldn't even clean solar panels without bending and touching panels.
We only use extremes now.
Just bought the extensions for the extreme 47 and they are a work of art. Lovely and light and strong.
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I found some carbon poles couldn't even clean solar panels without bending and touching panels.
We only use extremes now.
Just bought the extensions for the extreme 47 and they are a work of art. Lovely and light and strong.
Same here, the old facelift had to be "walked up the wall" at 40ft!!!
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I would rather work with a heavier pole that has a shorter closed length!
WHAT AM I SAYING! :o
Forgot I have a SLX :-*
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(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/18ftpole_zps2d37cf48.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/phcarbon_zps3b1a4248.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/photo3_zpsafc20a7e.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/photo4_zps9b1e2e33.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/photo5_zpsd2f1d7cc.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq163/frankybadboy/photo6_zpsef2467c4.jpg)
pictures posted on behalf of kempy.
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the poles look very good ill b geting to 23ft poles and one 45ft kev sent me some pix with his at full strech an there very stiff ide say there as stiff as my facelift phoenix wich is what i have at the mo :)
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Cheers for putting the pictures up franky .
There good for the money .
Comparing them to extreame then obviously they are no where near as good , well in my view the clamps are .
Compare them to a slx , and to me in terms of money , they are a good alternative .
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Yes you can fully extend the 18ft and hold it horizontally out at knee height and it's doesn't flex .
Not that this is a normal pitch
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Kempy, have you got an extreme too?
As a test you could extend you c****y pole to the same as an SLXII and extreme, at (say) a 45 degree angle and tie (say) a 3kg weight to the brush.
You could then tell exactly how much flex there is in direct comparison.
(Not that you're bothered, just thought it'd make a good comparison.)
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To be truthful with having kids , running a footy team etc . The last think I'm going to do is mess about tiring a 3kg weight to the end of the pole .
Yes it works everyday , doing the basic up n down extension and descending that you need to do .
It's very rigid when fully extended to do over conservatories etc .
It's a very good cheaper pole
The extreame for a 18ft would be far far better .
But at a few ££ hundred quid more
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To be truthful with having kids , running a footy team etc . The last think I'm going to do is mess about tiring a 3kg weight to the end of the pole .
Yes it works everyday , doing the basic up n down extension and descending that you need to do .
It's very rigid when fully extended to do over conservatories etc .
It's a very good cheaper pole
The extreame for a 18ft would be far far better .
But at a few ££ hundred quid more
so you buy a price not quality, you made your point ;)
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To be truthful with having kids , running a footy team etc . The last think I'm going to do is mess about tiring a 3kg weight to the end of the pole .
Yes it works everyday , doing the basic up n down extension and descending that you need to do .
It's very rigid when fully extended to do over conservatories etc .
It's a very good cheaper pole
The extreame for a 18ft would be far far better .
But at a few ££ hundred quid more
so you buy a price not quality, you made your point ;)
Lol
Lol
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To be truthful with having kids , running a footy team etc . The last think I'm going to do is mess about tiring a 3kg weight to the end of the pole .
Yes it works everyday , doing the basic up n down extension and descending that you need to do .
It's very rigid when fully extended to do over conservatories etc .
It's a very good cheaper pole
The extreame for a 18ft would be far far better .
But at a few ££ hundred quid more
so you buy a price not quality, you made your point ;)
Alex gets his poles from China too as do all the pole sellers.
Why shouldn't he look for well priced poles?
hes happy with them
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How can the China pole compete with the dearness of the extreame .
The clamps I prefere -simple
The price I prefere
The rigidness - I can't compare or state my opinion . As I only have slx's and it certainly competes with them .
There very strong and compare with the weight of a slx .
The 45 ft , which I use occasionally is the BIG MONEY SAVER .
Some of you on here are total gardiner customers and that's fine . No problem . A good company to buy from .
But this was just a experiment of me buying from China , a experience , and I feel a good one and hopefully opened persons eyes up to another way of buying .
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Some persons on here mate , are negative on any other poles apart from the gardiners.
Their obsession is unbelievable .
A product that produces another clamp-3rd generation that then needs additional threaded loctite bolts sent out to make them better , isn't right .
I'm sure gardiners will do another clamp - I'd imagine .
As I'm not obsessive with gardiners , or China poles , I'm interested on how good the aqua adaptor VLITE poles will be
Apparently lighter than a slx , and I'd imagine far better clamps
I'm sure the gardiner lover boys on here will be negative and bullish on these as well.
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Kempy...take no notice matey,i have no interest in buying poles
because i diy..but far as im concerned you have just given an opinion
as was requested by the original poster and made honest comments
put pics upetc
No doubt its been very helpful to people who have genuine interest
As for Freddy the frog if he gets too out of hand one mention of
Archer and he will soon disappear back into his shell ;)
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Kempy...take no notice matey,i have no interest in buying poles
because i diy..but far as im concerned you have just given an opinion
as was requested by the original poster and made honest comments
put pics upetc
No doubt its been very helpful to people who have genuine interest
As for Freddy the frog if he gets too out of hand one mention of
Archer and he will soon disappear back into his shell ;)
Lol
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The extreame 18ft pole is about £480
The China Classic £96
WOW WOW WOW
That's a big big difference , and that kind of money for a pole with awkward clamps is in my eyes not worth buying . For me
Others will buy the extreame , their choice and their be happy .
Just personal preference that's all guys .
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Some persons on here mate , are negative on any other poles apart from the gardiners.
Their obsession is unbelievable .
A product that produces another clamp-3rd generation that then needs additional threaded loctite bolts sent out to make them better , isn't right .
I'm sure gardiners will do another clamp - I'd imagine .
As I'm not obsessive with gardiners , or China poles , I'm interested on how good the aqua adaptor VLITE poles will be
Apparently lighter than a slx , and I'd imagine far better clamps
I'm sure the gardiner lover boys on here will be negative and bullish on these as well.
+1
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Kempy...take no notice matey,i have no interest in buying poles
because i diy..but far as im concerned you have just given an opinion
as was requested by the original poster and made honest comments
put pics upetc
No doubt its been very helpful to people who have genuine interest
As for Freddy the frog if he gets too out of hand one mention of
Archer and he will soon disappear back into his shell ;)
ass-licker!
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The extreame 18ft pole is about £480
The China Classic £96
WOW WOW WOW
That's a big big difference , and that kind of money for a pole with awkward clamps is in my eyes not worth buying . For me
Others will buy the extreame , their choice and their be happy .
Just personal preference that's all guys .
why do you call xtreme pole, extreame?
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Sorry
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Sorry
don't be sorry, no prob :)
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Kempy...take no notice matey,i have no interest in buying poles
because i diy..but far as im concerned you have just given an opinion
as was requested by the original poster and made honest comments
put pics upetc
No doubt its been very helpful to people who have genuine interest
As for Freddy the frog if he gets too out of hand one mention of
Archer and he will soon disappear back into his shell ;)
ass-licker!
dont be so hard on yourself..i havent heard that you stooped that
low....or did you ???
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To be truthful with having kids , running a footy team etc . The last think I'm going to do is mess about tiring a 3kg weight to the end of the pole .
Yes it works everyday , doing the basic up n down extension and descending that you need to do .
It's very rigid when fully extended to do over conservatories etc .
It's a very good cheaper pole
The extreame for a 18ft would be far far better .
But at a few ££ hundred quid more
Well said, Kempy.
He's posted about an alternative pole. You pays your money and you takes your chance. He likes them, he can't decide whether you do.
11 pages! Give him a break ;D.
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Highly amusing.
I think I'm gonna throw all my Gardiner poles in the river. Go cold
Turkey and buy some brodex poles.
I shop with Alex mainly for the service. Ordered countless times and never had any issues.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS THREAD IS NOW LOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No its not ;D
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO IT ISNT!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And STOP SHOUTING
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;D
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Ok I have resumed this thread. you may continue
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Carry on buying gardiners poles , there very good quality poles as are the necks , hose , and various brushes . The CUSTIE Support is superb and the 6mm Thermobore is awesome . See I'm not anti gardiners , I buy from are fair few companies .
Just don't like the clamps and hence with the help from KevinC I bought 2x vertical clamp poles from China .
Then due to demand I posted my thoughts , advice on how to import them and my experiences of them .
Simples
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detto kempy gardeners r a very good compney but there clamps r shocking an a pain to use
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detto kempy gardeners r a very good compney but there clamps r shocking an a pain to use
Hi Lee
I responded to your post on another forum (tench) regarding this. How old is your SMax and have you let the Office know already that you have a problem? If not, drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk with the details and we can sort it out.
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detto kempy gardeners r a very good compney but there clamps r shocking an a pain to use
Hi Lee
I responded to your post on another forum (tench) regarding this. How old is your SMax and have you let the Office know already that you have a problem? If not, drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk with the details and we can sort it out.
Do it Lee.
Alex sent me the latest clamps (to replace the upgraded ones) after I'd written how poor the upgraded ones were.
They arrived today and I've fitted them to my poles, but have not used them for work. They are different and seem\feel better.
This to me is what buying local is all about. Yes I could save money, but what price is support worth?
Tony
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thats me alex thanks 4 the reply like i said top compney very good poles an good service ur a top man but i just cant get on with the clamps i hardly use my super max but when i do i find it hard wrk with the clamps very frustrating having to adust them every other time my main pole is a 22ft facelift an it never needs twicking just how i like it my super max has the old clamps just so u no :)
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thats me alex thanks 4 the reply like i said top compney very good poles an good service ur a top man but i just cant get on with the clamps i hardly use my super max but when i do i find it hard wrk with the clamps very frustrating having to adust them every other time my main pole is a 22ft facelift an it never needs twicking just how i like it my super max has the old clamps just so u no :)
You shouldn't have to think about the clamps - they should just do their job. Drop me an email and we can sort it.
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detto kempy gardeners r a very good compney but there clamps r shocking an a pain to use
Hi Lee
I responded to your post on another forum (tench) regarding this. How old is your SMax and have you let the Office know already that you have a problem? If not, drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk with the details and we can sort it out.
hi toney i havent tryed the new clamps so im clueluss to how they r but the old ones just rnt 4 me
Do it Lee.
Alex sent me the latest clamps (to replace the upgraded ones) after I'd written how poor the upgraded ones were.
They arrived today and I've fitted them to my poles, but have not used them for work. They are different and seem\feel better.
This to me is what buying local is all about. Yes I could save money, but what price is support worth?
Tony
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I find it funny all these people saying "I will only every buy gardiners"
Where do you think gardiners get their poles from????
CHINA
That is all.
(Yes they may stick their own clamps etc on, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that the carbon fibre sections come from china.)
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thats me alex thanks 4 the reply like i said top compney very good poles an good service ur a top man but i just cant get on with the clamps i hardly use my super max but when i do i find it hard wrk with the clamps very frustrating having to adust them every other time my main pole is a 22ft facelift an it never needs twicking just how i like it my super max has the old clamps just so u no :)
You shouldn't have to think about the clamps - they should just do their job. Drop me an email and we can sort it.
thanks alex will do, ive bin umming an rrrring wether to upgrade the clamps or not to prolong my super max an make it easer to use
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Highly amusing.
I think I'm gonna throw all my Gardiner poles in the river. Go cold
Turkey and buy some brodex poles.
I shop with Alex mainly for the service. Ordered countless times and never had any issues.
dont throw them away...give them to me,im sure i can diy a decent pole
out of them ;D
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So there us a upgrade clamp on the previous upgrade clamps or am I reading this wrong . TONY 789 ???
Mine was the black cam/ little spring , £30 ish ...
Then already another upgrade ,
It's like buying a car and getting a product re-call back .
Are you sure I'm in the minority , that just a few don't like these clamps .
Personally I feel there is a lot now not liking the original Upgraded clamp .
I put up with mine , always will as I have a 25 & 30 ft slx's , the clamps sorted the spinning sections out , but the operation of them having to be adjusted tightened up and sometimes going 180 degrees away from where they should be re-housed is not good .
I've fitted the new threaded loctite bolts you sent me but just the same response .
Is the Cam big enough ??
To me it needs something to stop the spinning of the lever , increasing the cam shim ?, making cross thread the bolt once it's in position so it therefore can't work Loose x- but loctite should Dort that I think
What's the new new upgrade clamp look like ???
Anyway a good product , neck,brushes , sections , but the clamps " work in progress I feel "
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So there us a upgrade clamp on the previous upgrade clamps or am I reading this wrong . TONY 789 ???
Mine was the black cam/ little spring , £30 ish ...
Then already another upgrade ,
It's like buying a car and getting a product re-call back .
Are you sure I'm in the minority , that just a few don't like these clamps .
Personally I feel there is a lot now not liking the original Upgraded clamp .
I put up with mine , always will as I have a 25 & 30 ft slx's , the clamps sorted the spinning sections out , but the operation of them having to be adjusted tightened up and sometimes going 180 degrees away from where they should be re-housed is not good .
I've fitted the new threaded loctite bolts you sent me but just the same response .
Is the Cam big enough ??
To me it needs something to stop the spinning of the lever , increasing the cam shim ?, making cross thread the bolt once it's in position so it therefore can't work Loose x- but loctite should Dort that I think
What's the new new upgrade clamp look like ???
Anyway a good product , neck,brushes , sections , but the clamps " work in progress I feel "
Kempy,
I'm not sure of if they are an upgrade or whether some or the initial upgrade had faulty nylon nuts. You would have to talk directly to Alex, then there maybe something that can be done.
I'm also sure Gardiners don't care where you and I buy our poles from, but they care about the ones they've sold and go to great lengths to make sure they work properly.
Vertical or traverse, they should just work.
I will let you know how these new ones get on.
Tony
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The whole point of starting this thread was to find a source for a quality pole at a cheaper price to that being offered in the uk
The hardest thing to sort was knowing a trusted seller
kempty he has supplied this imfo giving the likes of me and other the chance to buy at a discounted price
I now have the choice
I for one am very grateful and think its a bit unfair looking at some of the comments being aimed his way
Because of him I can now buy a pole that suits my needs saving my self around 300 quid by buying from his chinease trusted supplier and I now im not going to get fleeced
A choice I would never have had prior to him giving me the details
Isnt this what this forums all about helping each other
His not forcing anyone in buying from abroad just letting you know there is a decent alternative out there
Thanks again kempy
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Cheers mr Newton , exactly what a forum is about .
Idea's , advice , tips ,save money , broaden our suppliers base , learn from others mistakes , meet up , share ideas .
The forums have made me do a DIY gas heater installed for about £200 - thanks to Jonny's excellent post , dezmond similar as well . That would of cost me £800 to get it done by a company .
That's what forum's are about .
The China pole mate , if you buy a 45ft full carbon fibre one for occasional use , you might as well but the 18ft or 23ft for the cost of hardly any extra in import tax and delivery .
He supplies the ALLOY NECKS for about £4 to £8 I think .
A set of spare clamps £3 I think
To buy is your choice , had mine 3 months and been excellent .
KevinC has had all his 3 poles the same time as well , with two person working them full time .
The choice is yours , the post initially to do what you said , has achieved this in aa roundabout way .
Enjoyed the post , the banter , and the negative comments have been ok , a little bit over the top when all we wanted to do was highlight another SUPPLIER or another choice .
I think all carbon fibre production is carried out by just 4 companies in China , then you can add your own name on the poles etc via another company that prints etc .
But what gardiners , aqua adaptor do is probably invent their own clamps , carbon tolerances and sectional diameters content of carbon etc .
The UK suppliers do a great job and offer this to us at reasonable prices , but KevinC did all the donkey work , great knowledge and sourced for me and himself a VERTICAL CLAMPING FULL CARBON FIBRE POLE , At a good price .
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Kempy, I'm sorry mate. By saying clamps I meant levers.
I have not had new Clamps. I would still talk to Alex via email.
Tony
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I've had new threaded loctite bolts sent , and fitted them , but still awkward to use .
I'll still use them
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kempy, it is your right not to like the clamps from gardiner but please don't say they are rubbish, you just don't like them ;)
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if he doesnt like them, his opinion is that they are rubbish
an opinion he is entitled to no matter what you think
getting above yourself again freddy...do i have mention
that name again that makes your behind go ten pence...sixpence
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if he doesnt like them, his opinion is that they are rubbish
an opinion he is entitled to no matter what you think
getting above yourself again freddy...do i have mention
that name again that makes your behind go ten pence...sixpence
i didn't ask your opinion rosbeef, Alex sold thousands of poles and still do so it is not right to say the clamps are rubbish, just say you don't like them! Anyway i am sure you can't understand that!
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They've prolonged the longevity of a pole , for which I'm grateful for , I've said the operation of them is awkward and not the best , I will still perservere as I have the slx 25 & 30ft slx's . .
Very good poles , if another clamp can be invented or a better upgrade then they will be back to my number 1 choice .
But how far do you go updating the upgrade , I'm sure Alex will perfect it .
Be interesting to see aqua adaptors horizontal clamp on his new poles , should be a few sold in the next few weeks and a report on here hopefully .
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if he doesnt like them, his opinion is that they are rubbish
an opinion he is entitled to no matter what you think
getting above yourself again freddy...do i have mention
that name again that makes your behind go ten pence...sixpence
i didn't ask your opinion rosbeef, Alex sold thousands of poles and still do so it is not right to say the clamps are rubbish, just say you don't like them! Anyway i am sure you can't understand that!
nobody has asked for your opinion but you are only too willing to
give it...me thinks you like to give it out but are a bit of a mincer about
taking it :)
As for your point its irrelevant.
you are perfectly entitled to disagree with the mans opinion,but to
come on here thinking you can tell the chap what he can say when all
he has done is give a honest and non abusive personal opinion
and in no way has tried to tell anyone what to say..well!!
anyways grow up,stop mincing,grow some balls and get on with it!
wishing you only the best
Gary
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if he doesnt like them, his opinion is that they are rubbish
an opinion he is entitled to no matter what you think
getting above yourself again freddy...do i have mention
that name again that makes your behind go ten pence...sixpence
i didn't ask your opinion rosbeef, Alex sold thousands of poles and still do so it is not right to say the clamps are rubbish, just say you don't like them! Anyway i am sure you can't understand that!
nobody has asked for your opinion but you are only too willing to
give it...me thinks you like to give it out but are a bit of a mincer about
taking it :)
As for your point its irrelevant.
you are perfectly entitled to disagree with the mans opinion,but to
come on here thinking you can tell the chap what he can say when all
he has done is give a honest and non abusive personal opinion
and in no way has tried to tell anyone what to say..well!!
anyways grow up,stop mincing,grow some balls and get on with it!
wishing you only the best
Gary
you definitely don't understand, never mind....
best wishes
Ben
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it is like to say for example eating crips are disgusting, they are not disgusting, you don't like them,full stop! same for the clamps, they are not rubbish, you don't like them,full stop!
But i am sure you can't understand that either....
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my wife finds crisps disgusting actually
i disagree with her opinion but for her its right and she is entitled
to say so.
forums are all about opinions normally from personal experience
anyway im bored of your mincing and of going round in circles
with the ridiculas things you are saying
which i might add you are entitled to say no matter how stupid :)
bye bye :)
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my wife finds crisps disgusting actually
i disagree with her opinion but for her its right and she is entitled
to say so.
anyway im bored of your mincing and of going round in circles
with the ridiculas things you are saying
which i might add you are entitled to say no matter how stupid :)
bye bye :)
yes you are right, you still don't understand so no need to add anything, i am losing my time to talk to stupid people sometimes,never mind
no offence Gary, not your fault if you can't understand ;)
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crisps are well nice though, especially tomato sauce flavor
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crisps are well nice though, especially tomato sauce flavor
;D
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i love crisps too, but find the french rude and irritating :D in general that is..just my opinion
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i love crisps too, but find the french rude and irritating :D in general that is..just my opinion
very true ;) ;D except me, I am perfect! ;D
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i love crisps too, but find the french rude and irritating :D in general that is..just my opinion
very true ;) ;D except me, I am perfect! ;D
;D was only messing glad you didn't take offence
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i love crisps too, but find the french rude and irritating :D in general that is..just my opinion
very true ;) ;D except me, I am perfect! ;D
nope youre a mincer...sorry couldnt help myself ;D
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Can you buy crisps direct from China?
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Can you buy crisps direct from China?
;D
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Can you buy crisps direct from China?
Yes but they call them "kackers"
My fav are porn Kackers
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Cheers Gary999 , I'm not sure if I've said the gardiners upgrade is Rubbish , there certainly not the best in operation and are very awkward .
I've been positive that they are good at securing the sections from spinning , but the ability of a clamp to revert the other way round isn't good .
Yes I have tightened them up a lot and then 1/2turn back and tried to get the equilibrium , the right balance or tolerance in the adjustment .
But it regularly needs adjusting .
Had some new bolts sent out to me free of charge and that's great customer support-grateful - but still not happening for me . The new bolts sent with the loctite still make the clamp lose its position .
To me there's too much engineering now on what should be a simple -clamp , the shim seems too thin and the bolt too long . Therefore a gap for the adjustment to always take place . Maybe a shorter threaded bolt that is built to the exact length with a stop at the end -but then the shim may wear more .
Not easy -hence the problems encountered . I could be totally wrong and silly in my thoughts .
But still a good pole to use everyday .
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Can you buy crisps direct from China?
Yes but they call them "kackers"
My fav are porn Kackers
Really!
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lol i like these as well, really nice
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girls,girls,you are getting upset aren't you? the op just wanted to know a different option and maybe opinion-this can was only half opened of worms.99% of the poles you will buy here come from china THAT is a fact,but it is wrong to compare like for like as alex and facelift for example will have different specs for their poles-they are made in large volumes to order,note,just buying a cheap pole from china whilst worthwhile you should do the research in the type of carbon weaves to construct the pole and how many weaves and the combination of them all will make a good or bad pole-banging a 3kg weight on the end of the pole proves what?its more flexy than other poles-but maybe slightly more,you guys are only at most going to put a 250 gram brush on the end of the pole so you wouldn't see/feel the difference at 30' and below,i know for a fact kempy is at a "higher level"in w/c in the products and additives he uses
(some thing you guys can only dream of)so please don't slag him off because of his choice of poles just because it doesn't agree with yours.
something a customer said to me the other week "if the product is good and lasts a long while why do i need good customer service?-made me think-anyhow big brother is watching so i'll sign off now
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Gary,where do you live?
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
Please don't say South Birmingham. To you it's South Birmingham.
Just because you say it's South Birmingham doesn't mean it's South Birmingham.
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
Please don't say South Birmingham. To you it's South Birmingham.
Just because you say it's South Birmingham doesn't mean it's South Birmingham.
;D
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
Please don't say South Birmingham. To you it's South Birmingham.
Just because you say it's South Birmingham doesn't mean it's South Birmingham.
rubbish and don't like it is not the same, are you friend with Gary? ;D
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Birmingham is rubbish..because its rubbish i dont like it :)
or I dont like Birmingham because its rubbish
either works for me :)
Stick to talking about China or better still bugger off there ;D
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Birmingham is rubbish..because its rubbish i dont like it :)
or I dont like Birmingham because its rubbish
either works for me :)
Stick to talking about China or better still bugger off there ;D
maybe you don't like Birmingham but it is not rubbish ;)
do you want another lesson of English?
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Birmingham is rubbish..because its rubbish i dont like it :)
or I dont like Birmingham because its rubbish
either works for me :)
Stick to talking about China or better still bugger off there ;D
maybe you don't like Birmingham but it is not rubbish ;)
do you want another lesson of English?
Thats your opinion about birmingham and not mine
lets stop doing this silly dance..its pointless when the
opposite number has two left feet.
i must admit you have bored me into submission
feck me they will have to block up the channel tunnel if they
intend to send over any more challenged like yourself :)
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
Please don't say South Birmingham. To you it's South Birmingham.
Just because you say it's South Birmingham doesn't mean it's South Birmingham.
rubbish and don't like it is not the same, are you friend with Gary? ;D
Yes, I've bummed him loads of times in the Bullring. That is a place and a euphemism.
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south birmingham...nosey aint we :) :)
Please don't say South Birmingham. To you it's South Birmingham.
Just because you say it's South Birmingham doesn't mean it's South Birmingham.
rubbish and don't like it is not the same, are you friend with Gary? ;D
Yes, I've bummed him loads of times in the Bullring. That is a place and a euphemism.
you flatter me...mr griffin ;D
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Cheers Gary999 , I'm not sure if I've said the gardiners upgrade is Rubbish , there certainly not the best in operation and are very awkward .
I've been positive that they are good at securing the sections from spinning , but the ability of a clamp to revert the other way round isn't good .
Yes I have tightened them up a lot and then 1/2turn back and tried to get the equilibrium , the right balance or tolerance in the adjustment .
But it regularly needs adjusting .
Had some new bolts sent out to me free of charge and that's great customer support-grateful - but still not happening for me . The new bolts sent with the loctite still make the clamp lose its position .
To me there's too much engineering now on what should be a simple -clamp , the shim seems too thin and the bolt too long . Therefore a gap for the adjustment to always take place . Maybe a shorter threaded bolt that is built to the exact length with a stop at the end -but then the shim may wear more .
Not easy -hence the problems encountered . I could be totally wrong and silly in my thoughts .
But still a good pole to use everyday .
no need to thank me matey..cant see that you had done anything wrong
you gave info requested and gave an honest opinion.Always good to
know new info,i might be in the market for a 40ft plus in the future and
as closed lengths are not major on my agenda..its defo a route to consider
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girls,girls,you are getting upset aren't you? the op just wanted to know a different option and maybe opinion-this can was only half opened of worms.99% of the poles you will buy here come from china THAT is a fact,but it is wrong to compare like for like as alex and facelift for example will have different specs for their poles-they are made in large volumes to order,note,just buying a cheap pole from china whilst worthwhile you should do the research in the type of carbon weaves to construct the pole and how many weaves and the combination of them all will make a good or bad pole-banging a 3kg weight on the end of the pole proves what?its more flexy than other poles-but maybe slightly more,you guys are only at most going to put a 250 gram brush on the end of the pole so you wouldn't see/feel the difference at 30' and below,i know for a fact kempy is at a "higher level"in w/c in the products and additives he uses
(some thing you guys can only dream of)so please don't slag him off because of his choice of poles just because it doesn't agree with yours.
something a customer said to me the other week "if the product is good and lasts a long while why do i need good customer service?-made me think-anyhow big brother is watching so i'll sign off now
well said m8 coming frm aka (tench0771) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :)
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girls,girls,you are getting upset aren't you? the op just wanted to know a different option and maybe opinion-this can was only half opened of worms.99% of the poles you will buy here come from china THAT is a fact,but it is wrong to compare like for like as alex and facelift for example will have different specs for their poles-they are made in large volumes to order,note,just buying a cheap pole from china whilst worthwhile you should do the research in the type of carbon weaves to construct the pole and how many weaves and the combination of them all will make a good or bad pole-banging a 3kg weight on the end of the pole proves what?its more flexy than other poles-but maybe slightly more,you guys are only at most going to put a 250 gram brush on the end of the pole so you wouldn't see/feel the difference at 30' and below,i know for a fact kempy is at a "higher level"in w/c in the products and additives he uses
(some thing you guys can only dream of)so please don't slag him off because of his choice of poles just because it doesn't agree with yours.
something a customer said to me the other week "if the product is good and lasts a long while why do i need good customer service?-made me think-anyhow big brother is watching so i'll sign off now
well said m8 coming frm aka (tench0771) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) :)
+1
;)
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Yes , the above a good post from KevinC .
Was going to quote it , but last time I did that it went wrong .
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£312 including tax and delivery!
For a 45 foot full carbon fibre pole.
Wow. It is £400 more to get a 45 foot pole anywhere else that's fully carbon fibre.
It's going to be an occasional pole for me and hardly get used, so should last me a long time. Great stuff.
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That's why I did it .
At £312 I thought if it's rubbish then I only use it 4 or 5 times a month .
With it being full carbon fibre I thought it can't be that bad .
So I ordered it . And thought with postage etc why not add a 18ft pole .
The China pole is great at 45 ft
Great buy
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Yes , the above a good post from KevinC .
Was going to quote it , but last time I did that it went wrong .
Shhhh......you'll wake 'them' up again Kempy ;D.
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Yes , the above a good post from KevinC .
Was going to quote it , but last time I did that it went wrong .
Shhhh......you'll wake 'them' up again Kempy ;D.
;D ;D ;D
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For the record these aren't the older style Facelift clamps but inferior copies - made a few years ago. We've already closed down a number of sellers importing them into the UK, but the Chinese will do what ever they want!
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For the record these aren't the older style Facelift clamps but inferior copies - made a few years ago. We've already closed down a number of sellers importing them into the UK, but the Chinese will do what ever they want!
how did you shut other seller's down?
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
Hmmmmmm.
Im going to take that with a pinch if salt.......actually a big heaped tablespoon.
:)
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?
If there is a patent on them then copies would be infringing that patent. I guess there isn't a patent because clamps have been going for yonks now. It would have to be a direct copy then that would be copyright infringement. It takes ages for legals to work as they have to prove loss of earnings as well as proving copyright infringement. Usually these are settled out-of-court....
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OMG - I can't believe that I've been sucked into this thread.... :o
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?
If there is a patent on them then copies would be infringing that patent. I guess there isn't a patent because clamps have been going for yonks now. It would have to be a direct copy then that would be copyright infringement. It takes ages for legals to work as they have to prove loss of earnings as well as proving copyright infringement. Usually these are settled out-of-court....
exactly the only way they would be counterfeits if they used the facelift name on the pole.which I would doubt anyone doing that.
there must be atleast 10 different pole suppliers.
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Think there is about 4x carbon fibre manufacturers .
I think where I got mine from , the company probably makes poles for UK companies using different specs /tolerances and dimensions ??????
Who knows
Who cares ,
I've used my China Classics today with ease ,
Before the Classic China 45ft pole was discovered I could only dream of owning a 45ft full carbon fibre pole .
The 45ft buy is the MAIN reason I imported in terms of the great £££ savings and the vertical clamps .
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MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
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Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
I missed that wish I had seen that m8.
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love the poles i have,to be fair stephen even if they are in breach of copyright i know where i can get new clamps now!?????,what we have found is that those clamps used facing away from you or underneath whichever way you want to think of it is makes the pole so much quicker and more efficient-quicker than any pole i have ever used-this is down to the clamps,you don't have to look at them they are there all the time-not wobbling about falling all over the place or getting half clamped but just there every time
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Hes sh***** it. The chinese poles are taking over.
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Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
I missed that wish I had seen that m8.
It's still up on YouTube mate. :)
Look on mark munros videos, a little bit ago.
Stephen copped out by saying "I was only joking" lol
Not very good for public relations having an owner/associate of a company acting like a 5 year old.
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
lololl , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door out of china
theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??
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Hes sh***** it. The chinese poles are taking over.
nah,the suppliers are watching thats for sure,(hello all)this whole topic could be hot air and possibly amount to nothing,the whole point of the op was to highlight another option than the usual supplier here in the uk nothing more or less,you could be buying from the manufacturer in china ok not the same specs as in closed lenght and a few other things i can't be bothered to think about now but the quality will still be their regardless of whether its an overseas customer or for the home market-the quality will be the same regardless.i think the bubble is beginning to burst as new options open up for us the customers-its an intresting time for window cleaning at the moment,in many more ways than just poles,keep your eyes peeled guys
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Could it be magic soap is coming from eastern europe
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Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .
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Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .
Can your supplier do specials
Ie smaller length sections to fit easier in small vans
Or are they stock sizes
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Ask them
I'd imagine probably not , but who knows ??
Email him ,
Put your email up and I'll send you his
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
Not the dreaded Ivor Biggun at Wright Hassell and Co.? (£450 an hour)
I feel a musical coming on ... Curtain drops away to reveal a courtroom.
Regina v Windy Miller (aka Lord of the Rungs)
Ivor Biggun - (thumbs behind lapels, motheaten wig slightly askew) "And I put it to you Mr. Miller that you did with malice aforethought order from the shores of far Cathay to wit:-
1. (one) carbon fibre telescopic pole with the logo "Reach For The Sky" stamped over Mr. Fox's patented logo.
2. (two) Three (3) aforesaid clamps of fox-brown (ginger) colour.
And you so did this crime knowing that these items made up the "Basil Brush" as patented by my client?"
Defendant. - "I did (looks at Judge in morbid fear) yer honour! (wrings out cap like a piece of scrim) I'm bang to rights! I was put up to it by Mr. I. Konix and his compatriot Mr. A. Gardiner. I'm sorry; I'll pay what ever I owe, don't put me in jail, (rising panic) don't take my kids and send them up the chimney your worship!!!
Judge Mr. Justice Justin Time (donning black cap):-
"Mr. Miller; you have been found guilty of the heinous crime of pole plagiarism and you will be taken from this court to a place of execution where you will be prodded with fluffy cushions until you are tickled and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!"
Everyone (except furtive Foxy): "Oh no! Not that! Please yer honour let him off! Go on!" (Turning into song ...)
Judge: "It's Miller! We will not let him go!"
Court: "No No No No No! Mamia Mia let him go!"
Miller: "Beelzebub's got a devil on the sideboooooaaaaard!"
Court: "Huh?"
Miller: "Sorry m'lud I'm a bit deaf and I can never understand the lyrics - listen - I believe in Milko! See?"
Clerk of Court: (Explaining) "I believe in Miracles M'lud."
Judge: "Ah I see! Oh all right I'll let you off!"
Miller and the Court: "I'm Free (to the tune of the classic popular rock song combo by The Who) da dadadada ... I'm Free! And I'm telling you to follow me! ...."
(Guitar Riff)
Furtive Fox: "But what about my damages? ?? ?"
Court falls silent and everyone looks aghast.
Judge: "Oh very well; I award you an SLX-18 but you have to pay your own costs!"
Furtive Fox: (Bursts into song) "Finally, it's happened to me ..." he dances and everyone starts dancing with him.
Curtain closes with everyone happy and cheerful, shaking hands and the strains of "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony ... " as a picture of Nelson Mandela (or is it Trevor McDonald) is projected onto the curtain.
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lololl , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door out of china
theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??
There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.
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Most components manufactured by companies are done by outside companies. Especially is this so on the automotive front. Manufacturers don't want to spend millions on design and application only to have it copied for someone else. To safe guard secrets, many suppliers get components made by a variety of outside companies and assembled by another supplier, so the full process is never completed by one manufacturer.
Alex once said that the components to make up an SLX pole come from a variety of countries and factories.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=125444.0
You would have to identify 6 different factories in 3 different countries - none of which advertise their services for these exact products.
Consider Bosch Automotive. Many years ago when ESP was in its infancy both BMW and Mercedes were designing similar product for greater stability control. These systems could only be manufactured by an outside electronics specialist company. BMW accused Bosch of cross fertilization with regard to the similar product Mercedes was being supplied. There was a major issue about it until it died of its own accord, each side claiming victory.
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lololl , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door out of china
theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??
There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.
This is the other issue. Japan also used to copy stuff years ago but slowly their manufacturing processes were brought into line. Its also not guaranteed that China will continue to be the manufacturing power house that it is today and may be forced into more ethical copyright practices to survive.
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Ask them
I'd imagine probably not , but who knows ??
Email him ,
Put your email up and I'll send you his
Thanks you have sent me it earlier just mailed him
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Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
As hard as he tries, he never seems to come across well.
I also read his comments on Marks vid and wondered why he had made the comment, then I remembered…..
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lololl , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door out of china
theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??
There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.
Rossesava, at last someone with a bit of chutzpah.... Exactly.
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Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .
Can your supplier do specials
Ie smaller length sections to fit easier in small vans
Or are they stock sizes
This supplier only has limited amount of clamps ( I asked)
but will try if he can. Best email him
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MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself
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Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.
Not the dreaded Ivor Biggun at Wright Hassell and Co.? (£450 an hour)
I feel a musical coming on ... Curtain drops away to reveal a courtroom.
Regina v Windy Miller (aka Lord of the Rungs)
Ivor Biggun - (thumbs behind lapels, motheaten wig slightly askew) "And I put it to you Mr. Miller that you did with malice aforethought order from the shores of far Cathay to wit:-
1. (one) carbon fibre telescopic pole with the logo "Reach For The Sky" stamped over Mr. Fox's patented logo.
2. (two) Three (3) aforesaid clamps of fox-brown (ginger) colour.
And you so did this crime knowing that these items made up the "Basil Brush" as patented by my client?"
Defendant. - "I did (looks at Judge in morbid fear) yer honour! (wrings out cap like a piece of scrim) I'm bang to rights! I was put up to it by Mr. I. Konix and his compatriot Mr. A. Gardiner. I'm sorry; I'll pay what ever I owe, don't put me in jail, (rising panic) don't take my kids and send them up the chimney your worship!!!
Judge Mr. Justice Justin Time (donning black cap):-
"Mr. Miller; you have been found guilty of the heinous crime of pole plagiarism and you will be taken from this court to a place of execution where you will be prodded with fluffy cushions until you are tickled and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!"
Everyone (except furtive Foxy): "Oh no! Not that! Please yer honour let him off! Go on!" (Turning into song ...)
Judge: "It's Miller! We will not let him go!"
Court: "No No No No No! Mamia Mia let him go!"
Miller: "Beelzebub's got a devil on the sideboooooaaaaard!"
Court: "Huh?"
Miller: "Sorry m'lud I'm a bit deaf and I can never understand the lyrics - listen - I believe in Milko! See?"
Clerk of Court: (Explaining) "I believe in Miracles M'lud."
Judge: "Ah I see! Oh all right I'll let you off!"
Miller and the Court: "I'm Free (to the tune of the classic popular rock song combo by The Who) da dadadada ... I'm Free! And I'm telling you to follow me! ...."
(Guitar Riff)
Furtive Fox: "But what about my damages? ?? ?"
Court falls silent and everyone looks aghast.
Judge: "Oh very well; I award you an SLX-18 but you have to pay your own costs!"
Furtive Fox: (Bursts into song) "Finally, it's happened to me ..." he dances and everyone starts dancing with him.
Curtain closes with everyone happy and cheerful, shaking hands and the strains of "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony ... " as a picture of Nelson Mandela (or is it Trevor McDonald) is projected onto the curtain.
Gold, not one of your best.... Disappointed :'(
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Would you like me to re-write you as the star? ;D
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Yes!! That would improve it some what! (In my eyes anyway)
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Wow
All I did was import a pole .
What drama
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Mr Fox, don't stock too many poles next year... ;D
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=179522.0
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Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!! ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!! :D ;)
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MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself
Care to elaborate?
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Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!! ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!! :D ;)
Thank you Steven.
I thought it could've been just coincidence but obviously I'd not taken into account your sheer power.
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Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!! ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!! :D ;)
I know Stephen, was only joking ;D
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MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.
Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"
Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased ???
What a laugh. :)
Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself
Care to elaborate?
Likewise...
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Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!! ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!! :D ;)
Thank you Steven.
I thought it could've been just coincidence but obviously I'd not taken into account your sheer power.
:)
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Yep , gardiners seem to drop there's when yours came out .
Shame that poles from 45ft are so so so DEAR
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Yep , gardiners seem to drop there's when yours came out .
Shame that poles from 45ft are so so so DEAR
Two days work for some people ;)
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Mr Fox, don't stock to many poles next year... ;D
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=179522.0
mock all you like
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Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!! ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!! :D ;)
you do have a point there,also "the sale" did happen "at kinda the right time"you launched your new pole-strange that isnt it?-not supporting you-see too many brown noses on here for me to be tarred with that one,while i'm on how come you don't offer brushes etc with the poles?either buying power is better with other companies or have they had our pants down for years????
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Wow
All I did was import a pole .
What drama
Well......I did say 'Shhhhhhh'........ ;D.