Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: davep on November 23, 2013, 08:05:24 pm
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My prowler is looking at retiring so I'm looking for another machine.
As I haven't used more than 100 ft on a domestic and I only ever LM commercial - what is the benefit to me of a tm vs one of the new 6.6 porties?
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No heat.
2 power cords into the house.
Are you going to use the portable as a power unit plumbed into a T/M waste tank & freshwater tank?
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Ive been in the carpet cleaning business 23 years make good money and I wouldnt consider using a truck mount
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Dave,
Productivity, productivity and productivity.
We use portable on certain jobs where we can't use a TM, and while they do a good job they are so much slower which reduces your earning capacity.
Simon
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I would have it on the van with a 400 litre tank with auto fill and auto dump. Heat is the problem.
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You can build a better option than buying a high powered portable. If you just need a power unit
Russ used a small hot pressure washer and you can buy 2 of the new vac motors and mount then into a toolbox. This is a simplistic explanation but you get the idea
Use this with your T/M freshwater & waste tank
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for my tuppence worth...
If you are going to use a porty as a van/truck mount... Then for a few dollars more maybe you should get the proper thing.... That way you will have the heat, and no power leads to the custards house...
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Guess it depends on your market, but I agree with Stu.
Doesn't really matter.
I use 2 portables for my work.
So it's not as powerful as a tm, and the drying times are a tad longer.
They do the job well enough though.
Most importantly...the customer doesn't care what you use.
So long as you do the job well, and offer a good service, that's
ALL that matters.
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Why do people think heat is an issue ...
This Airflex clearly has heat from cold .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgvS0xSeufQ
Even though hes using a technique to maintain it ( slow upstroke) , that isnt necessary if the water is preheated by either using an onboard immersion or feeding your tank or autofill from a warm source .
I've used an immersion coupled with an external steammate and turned the temp down a lot of the time .
The 6.6 machines are performing well no doubt , but its worth noting that two members here (Russ Chadd and Glynn ) have used a 6.6 machine and have stated that the Enforcer with its series electro motors is performing as well or better than the 6.6 machines .
The advantage with Enforcer setup is one cord for the vacs/ pump ... leaving the second cord free for an immersion or an inbuilt 3kw steammate or both on a two way switch .
I dont believe a two vac machine 6.6 or otherwise is powerfull enough to run through a large van tank ... iv tried it with a triple vac and it sucks the life out of the little vacuum you've got ... it might work well with a series /parallel quad vac .
the mytee Escape s the only proper ETM available and woodbridge seem to pricing it way too high now unless they have have come up with a sophisticated heating system thrown in .
I think a portable is best used as a portable ( unless u can pull up really close the room your cleaning for occasional van mount ) otherwise bring it to the door or window and use it from there . Even better if u have a smaller machine too (eg alltec express ) for occasional stair lifting .
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Depends what you think is right, some people with portables have said they use 2litres of water for cleaning a full size room. A Tm user could use 40 litres for the same size job. Theres the question.
David
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The only answer is a more powerful TM than your old Prowler. Of those who went back, which I can count on one hand I can think of two that were Prowler owners.
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It's the speed of the clean that tms win on I was using my porty to clean some carpets in a flat and the cleaning speed is half.
Shaun
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I have only ever used a portable, my current is the Storm which is a fantastic bit of kit. I've toyed with getting a truck mount but for me the advantages of having a portable is that it is easier to clean flats, difficult to access properties where a large van needed for truck mount would be difficult to park. I've been cleaning now for three years and only ever used hot water out of the tap although i have just brought a magma heater (second hand) for the occasional really dirty carpet. Whilst a truck mount is certainly quicker on the job i should imagine there is a certain amount of preparation at the start of the day and end in filling and emptying water / waste tanks etc which in my case would not be possible as i would not be able to get a truck mount around the rear of my house to do in any case.
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There's only one disadvantage, all the rest are excuses. :)
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There's no job you can't do with a porty unlike a tm so even if you want to pay for a tm you will always need a porty as back up, but that said tm is much more powerfull so saves time but I earn good money and have lots of happy clients using a portable.
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There's no job you can't do with a porty
Errr... Empty house with no electric, or a rented property where there is no credit on the lecky meter.
Or one of them really awkward customers who wants their carpet made really clean not just 'a bit cleaner' ;D ;D
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I knew you'd reply Mike or is it Truck Mount Man, my porty leaves carpets nearly dry , about an hour so in my ten years portys have improved a lot I realise they're not as powerfull as a tm but are far more versatile, I've never had a house with no electric but have had card run out so you have a point, but how many jobs can you not do and need your porty that you need to spend more time getting carpets really clean and not just a bit cleaner, you just need to put some effort in ;D
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There's no job you can't do with a porty
Errr... Empty house with no electric, or a rented property where there is no credit on the lecky meter.
Or one of them really awkward customers who wants their carpet made really clean not just 'a bit cleaner' ;D ;D
In 13 years in this business I have never been to a property without electricity or a top-up meter. And I do allot of EOT.
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MD... To be honest you do make a valid point, I pass on about 6-8 jobs a year due to not being able to reach with the T/M.
Dawg your right this is not a common occurance, but I do Remember jobs with my portable that constantly tripped the fuse box ( especially new houses)
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I've got to say that i've never left a job saying "I wished I had something more powerful to rinse the carpets with" ???
Not in recent years with higher powered portys that I use. And that's cleaning up to 75feet.
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I think a TM is a good idea if you service an area that is mainly made up bungalows, detached houses with drives etc. Like Mike for example.
This would be an ideal world but just looking at my diary, out of the 17 jobs the week just gone, only 5 where doable with a TM.
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When you get focused you can get in to 99% of properties even with what looks like a longer set up with hose management you win back on the time of the cleaning but tbh you have to have the work.
Shaun
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I've had to use my portable for two days this week as a bearing went on my truckmount and it just makes it a long hard day if your busy, ok now and again but not full time.
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John martin
I amnot convinced with regard to the magna heater! A mate of mine who lives in stafford purchased one on these heaters from new from the supplier ! He couldnt maintain those temperetures for long as the video sugests and the thing packed up not long after ! The supplier/manifacturer tried to blaim my mate for its demise ! He eventualy got his money back and purchased a mighty! He hasn't had any bother with that as far as I am aware
Stuart
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John martin
I amnot convinced with regard to the magna heater! A mate of mine who lives in stafford purchased one on these heaters from new from the supplier ! He couldnt maintain those temperetures for long as the video sugests and the thing packed up not long after ! The supplier/manifacturer tried to blaim my mate for its demise ! He eventualy got his money back and purchased a mighty! He hasn't had any bother with that as far as I am aware
Stuart
I dont know Stuart .. i have no experience of the Magma , i have used an Ashbys Steammate .
I persume they are all the same inside ( i could be wrong ) ie a 3kw is three 1000w heater joined together .... just as this 2kw example is two 1000w heaters joined .
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-a902a-2000-watt-volts-internal-heater-carpet-cleaning-machines-international-only-pi-10408.html
Differences after that is lightly the insulation used and the ancillary electronics , thermostat's ect .
Have no idea why the Magma didnt function well and failed ... to get the steady heat in the vid they have pressure set at around 275 ... any more give poorer results . they also have or had two versions of the magma , perhaps he had the less powerfull one ?
The Mytee gets good reviews it is just 2400w ... it is made up of four 600w heaters units . Why 2400w ? ... thats the max available at Americas 120v on their 20amp circuit .
So its not optimized for the 230v region ... to chance the heater units would probably need a body redesign to fit more or different units .
The 3kw UK ones should be better for heat .
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Stuart
I have a magma 3 years old and works perfect even with cold water it does performs as in the video
but every supplier does get there problem units
Jim
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Wel maybe my mate just had a bad one! But I wasn't impressed at the suppliers responce
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Had a truckmount for over a year now the difference between truckmount and portable is massive I still use my porty for some jobs but its a pain in the arse best thing I ever did was getting a truckmount.
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Hi Guys
One of the biggest differences for me when going TM was that I stopped getting back pain, which was largely caused by trying to lift porties up steps etc.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Guys
One of the biggest differences for me when going TM was that I stopped getting back pain, which was largely caused by trying to lift porties up steps etc.
Cheers
Doug
high end porties are lovely to work as an etm. No difference in power as the hose usually is 50-75ft, so just a bit longer when you would take it inside or just outside of the house.
Work goes much much faster, no lift problem, no bucketing to fill the machine and empty it, no noise in the customer house, noise is outside takig atention of others.
Some says it is stupid when you are using machine like that, those people probably never tried it.
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Ive used a 3vac porty at 50ft and it still dosent come anywere near the performance of a truckmount.
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Doug the idea would be to keep it van mounted
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Ive used a 3vac porty at 50ft and it still dosent come anywere near the performance of a truckmount.
I meant there is no difference using porty in the van or in the house.
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Ive used a 3vac porty at 50ft and it still dosent come anywere near the performance of a truckmount.
I meant there is no difference using porty in the van or in the house.
Yes there is. The more line you put on a portable the less performance you will get. By having a porty in a van you are bound to use more hose than you would otherwise and that has got to affect performance.
When I think of the range of jobs we do with our smaller TM (Max 450D) having a portable mounted in a van would be a complete and utter nightmare and only slightly less of a nightmare than doing them with a mobile portable.
Simon
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disagree
70% of the job I have I use 50ft hose, 35% 75ft hose, 5% jobs longer then this.
so, how you see a difference between using machine in the house/outside the house with 50ft house and on the van with the same lenght of the house.
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Irish houses must be different to ours. ;D We use 75 feet on nearly all domestics, even with the TM parked on the drive.
Simon
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Hmm, this must be 3 storey houses :)
But, even if, do not see much different between 50 and 75 ft. And I have first 1,5m of 2 inch hose and then mytee inline filter.
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Hmm, this must be 3 storey houses :)
But, even if, do not see much different between 50 and 75 ft. And I have first 1,5m of 2 inch hose and then mytee inline filter.
Well that will kill off a load of performance for a start.
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Hi Guys
One of the biggest differences for me when going TM was that I stopped getting back pain, which was largely caused by trying to lift porties up steps etc.
Cheers
Doug
here here me only being 4,10 and 8 stone I found lugging my extracta exle up the stairs a pain in the back !! most blocks wouldn't lift them but I did guess that's what you get from living on a working farm
I can do just as good of a job with a porty as a can with a t.m. but its a lot slower a lot slower and the customer loves the t.m. better makes them feel good because next door had theres done buy a guy that had a little box thing ?? ;D
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Susan
Have you changed your company name ? Thought you were called the cleaning doctor ?
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The Americans use a similar business model to grow their portfolio, prices are at easy to buy at levels getting more customers mean quicker growth and when you have staff cleaning it means the owner can either manage the business or sit on a hot beach somewhere.
Shaun
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i have a tm and a porty from prochem,when i use the porty i feel im short changing my customers,the instant heat and the power of the vacuum on the tm cannot be beaten in my opinion,the drying is so much faster,you need to use one to know
thats not to say you cant do a great job with a porty
a porty is like having sex without an orgasm,the tm supplies the orgasm, ;D ;D
jesus!!!!
gary
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again you get all the opinions of portable users that have no experience of truckmounts giving silly excuses.
And the opinions of truckmounted people most of whom have one or more portables and many like me who have owned over the years countless portables.
Who do you think are the people to give the best advice?
Some of the porty users should go out with a truckie to see how silly some of their arguments and misconceptions are, it would also give you the opportunity to offer advice from a position of knowledge.
Peter
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Dave
Find a user of a 6.6 portable and the best T/M you can afford and go and try both of them
Jim
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Anyone who's busy enough will end up with a TM - end of story. (Or they'll muck spread)
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Dave I think you know the answer a potty would be a step back after the prowler, I have a high end porty and only use it maybe 10 times a year hate the bloody thing.
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Good advice. Who's got a tm for sale :)
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Try GP Cleaners, they usually have a few for sale,
01452 731 630
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http://www.used-truckmounts.co.uk/services-provided
but its worth giving a ring as well, they update all the time :)
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Anyone who's busy enough will end up with a TM - end of story. (Or they'll muck spread)
ere wot you sayin boy??
;D ;D
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Hector,
You really don't want to know ;D
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Hi Guys
One of the biggest differences for me when going TM was that I stopped getting back pain, which was largely caused by trying to lift porties up steps etc.
Cheers
Doug
here here me only being 4,10 and 8 stone I found lugging my extracta exle up the stairs a pain in the back !! most blocks wouldn't lift them but I did guess that's what you get from living on a working farm
I can do just as good of a job with a porty as a can with a t.m. but its a lot slower a lot slower and the customer loves the t.m. better makes them feel good because next door had theres done buy a guy that had a little box thing ?? ;D
wow i am chargeing way to little at 35 pounds for a full suite ! it takes me 3 hours to do it :'( i must move to a better place to get more money from this job
and befour you lot have ago ive been cleanoing for 15 years now and i am not a fly buy night :( just if i started to quote anything over this i would end up with no work
Wow! You've come a long way since 2006!! Charging 35 quid a suite and now having 5 staff, multiple vans in different areas too. From this post, it seems you've shrunk by 2 inches too. Must be all that lugging portys about eh?
wow that took some reading ;D ive been cleaning with a extrata ex. for years and find it hard to lifted the things around being a woman and only being 5ft tall so im looking into a t.m.
ive heard all the storys over the years and have seen loads of demos but i think the only way is too use one , or have aday cleaning with somebody thats got one , even if you have to travel to spend aday with that person which after the xmas rush i maybe on the lug to spend aday with someone if they will let me
Have to keep an eye on you, looks like you have all the secrets. ;)
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Get something with a big blower Dave. ;D
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Yeah, no small blowers, especially like Billy's tiddler ;D
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disagree
70% of the job I have I use 50ft hose, 35% 75ft hose, 5% jobs longer then this.
so, how you see a difference between using machine in the house/outside the house with 50ft house and on the van with the same lenght of the house.
70% + 35% + 5% = 110%
Now that's a productive machine!
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disagree
70% of the job I have I use 50ft hose, 35% 75ft hose, 5% jobs longer then this.
so, how you see a difference between using machine in the house/outside the house with 50ft house and on the van with the same lenght of the house.
70% + 35% + 5% = 110%
Now that's a productive machine!
LOL
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Brilliant ;D
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disagree
70% of the job I have I use 50ft hose, 35% 75ft hose, 5% jobs longer then this.
so, how you see a difference between using machine in the house/outside the house with 50ft house and on the van with the same lenght of the house.
70% + 35% + 5% = 110%
Now that's a productive machine!
Well, normal for busy operator before christmas ;D
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You should know we always give 110% thats why were grafters ;D