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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on November 19, 2013, 05:59:36 pm
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well 3pm this afternoon 13kg gas bottle ran out.hose just turned to wire.coldest day this winter so far.im a bit annoyed cos i thought it would last longer!! ::)roll
so ive had 6 days using hot water averaging 6 hours a day using the heater so £4 a day.
ive heard some of you guys getting 2 weeks(10 days)out of a 13kg bottle or was it the 19kg one?
anyway theres a calor gas supplier just around the corner where most of my work is so got a refill for £24-50.
so potentially it could cost me near on £100 a month on gas to use it every day through my working month.
i have the temperature control on L5 slightly above minimum.not scalding hot but warm to the touch.i was expecting a few more days work before running out.
so realistically how long does your gas last?? ::)roll
many thanks in advance lads
dazmond
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19kg lasted my 4-5 weeks?
so how you ran out that quick is strange
check all connections for leaks
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u need to find somebody with a large gas tank and the handpump to refill a bottle from. most workplaces with a gas forklift have one and its the very cheapest way to get gas
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no leaks bob.all connections are nice and tight.
the place i got it from could have sold me a bottle that was only half full? ::)roll
i got my refill from a different supplier so ill see how long this one lasts me.
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Two weeks - 10 days
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I ran out of steam today.
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u need to find somebody with a large gas tank and the handpump to refill a bottle from. most workplaces with a gas forklift have one and its the very cheapest way to get gas
CAN YOU BUY PROPANE IN THOSE SEE THRU BOTTLES, I KNOW YOU CAN GET BUTANE?
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Don't you need trem cards when carrying gas?? (Orange boards)?
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If you get the green patio gas bottles they have a gauge on them so you can see how much gas in in the bottle, and will not run out,
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u need to find somebody with a large gas tank and the handpump to refill a bottle from. most workplaces with a gas forklift have one and its the very cheapest way to get gas
CAN YOU BUY PROPANE IN THOSE SEE THRU BOTTLES, I KNOW YOU CAN GET BUTANE?
i dunno. propane is cheaper than butane i do know that. and forktrucks usually run on propane . they fill the gas bottle by hand with a pump
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well 3pm this afternoon 13kg gas bottle ran out.hose just turned to wire.coldest day this winter so far.im a bit annoyed cos i thought it would last longer!! ::)roll
so ive had 6 days using hot water averaging 6 hours a day using the heater so £4 a day.
ive heard some of you guys getting 2 weeks(10 days)out of a 13kg bottle or was it the 19kg one?
anyway theres a calor gas supplier just around the corner where most of my work is so got a refill for £24-50.
so potentially it could cost me near on £100 a month on gas to use it every day through my working month.
i have the temperature control on L5 slightly above minimum.not scalding hot but warm to the touch.i was expecting a few more days work before running out.
so realistically how long does your gas last?? ::)roll
many thanks in advance lads
dazmond
So 6 days x 6 hours= 36 hours of use out of a 13kg gas bottle.
Corwoods say that boiler will do up to 28 hours with an 11kg gas bottle?:
http://www.windowcleaningequipment.co.uk/E-Z%20Heat%20System
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don't need to use hot water everytime Dazmond
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don't need to use hot water everytime Dazmond
once you've had hot you never...........nah doesn't rhyme like the other one :D
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maybe leaking gas? dangerous
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I know one of the guys on here,I think it was Richard Clues, his bottle lasted a long time, but he only had it like warm.
Have you actually measured the temperature because for this time of year it sounds like you have got it running way too hot.
I have a 13 kg bottle and it lasts 6days in the summer running 2 reels 6 hours a day at 35-40deg at the brush. It cost £15 till fill at the LPG pump.
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it sounds to me like some guys on here have ahem....overstretched how long their gas lasts or dont use it every day.
i dont see the point in not using it every day at the moment in this cold weather.it adds a bit of comfort while working.hoses have been great to work with and it warms your hands up when gathering hose up.
also ive noticed windows seem to dry a lot quicker and rinse the dirt off better/quicker.
oh well it looks more like £80-£100 a month on gas so £400 for 4 months in winter or a grand a year if i use it all the time(taking off holidays etc).
ill be putting a lot of customers prices up next april thats for sure! ;D
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mine lasted 6 days too, just bought a new one from another supplier, if still the same i will buy the safefill bottle
http://www.safefill.co.uk/
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yeah some days lee ive had it at 40-45 degrees.shifts the dirt quicker but today it was at 30degrees due to it being colder.so going off what you ve said its probably about right.
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ll be putting a lot of customers prices up next april thats for sure! Grin
that quote from dazzz made me laff
seems expensive hope the 2nd bottle last longer mate
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Is there anything to be said for filling the tank from a hot tap?
I've done it before and it seemed to last all day.
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don't need to use hot water everytime Dazmond
once you've had hot you never...........nah doesn't rhyme like the other one :D
It would if you are South African. Kind of... Once you have had hot, there is no going bok.
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19kg and it lasts me 10 days, 31 quid or 62 a month i have it hot though and i'm doing full days and its on all the time ... changed mine today as well.
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What temp you have on the boiler
At 30 , it's probably only Luke warm at the brush head
At 40 , it seems to be about right , so that I'm using the gas and getting hot at the brush head and makes a difference. At 30 seems pointless .
I know it depends on how much hose reel u have out etc
But I tend to go for 35-42
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13kg = two weeks for me, warm only at the brush head.
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Mid to high twenties out the boiler for me. Feels Luke warm to touch. I cracked a pane of glass last year with the boiler on 40. Won't do that again.
As long as it's above freezing I'm happy now. On 4 weekly cleans I don't feel warm helps too much. Unless it's with bird muck etc.
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Cheers Jonny , I'll stick to 30s at top , hence will last a full 2 weeks .
My whole reason for getting this hot conversion is to just to get me working through the day .
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If you run your boiler a full blast you will go through gas at a rate. If you turn your heat down to 60 degrees then it ill last longer and not crack the glass anyway.If the water is over 60 degrees you are stuffing up your hoses and fittings as PU will damage and will burst at hotter than the magic 60 degrees.A good tip is weigh gas bottle when full and empty and then you ill know en you getting screed over.If you know the eight of a empty bottle then add the gas in KGs and a full one should be this weight.Also when you overheat PU hoses they will be less flexible when cold than there were, when new.Its not hot water cleaning its warm to hot not boiling water cleaning.
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I filled up 10ltrs of propane at .72p a ltr and got 7 working days out of it, before having to refill. So that works out at £1.02p per day.
Roy
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James, I do believe that we have all been blesed today with the depth of your thermodynamic acumen, Cheers!
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Dazmond I'm surprised you've chosen this expensive method of hot water , especially as you are resin only . I think you are kidding yourself or trying to justify the expense when saying you will work faster . I think like me all your work is 4 or 8 week maintenance cleans , it is no faster on this type of work .
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If you run your boiler a full blast you will go through gas at a rate. If you turn your heat down to 60 degrees then it ill last longer and not crack the glass anyway.If the water is over 60 degrees you are stuffing up your hoses and fittings as PU will damage and will burst at hotter than the magic 60 degrees.A good tip is weigh gas bottle when full and empty and then you ill know en you getting screed over.If you know the eight of a empty bottle then add the gas in KGs and a full one should be this weight.Also when you overheat PU hoses they will be less flexible when cold than there were, when new.Its not hot water cleaning its warm to hot not boiling water cleaning.
If you have your boiler running at 60 degrees you WILL crack glass eventually. That's way too hot for freezing conditions. I was cleaning away at 40 degrees on a window the boom a crack shot from left to right across the glass.
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Barry Mallet - you can't say things like that on here! You must say "it's brilliant I work 50% faster and my heater paid for itself three times over in the first hour".
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Is there anything to be said for filling the tank from a hot tap?
I've done it before and it seemed to last all day.
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That is what I do, plug in, fill up and go. Van is roasting all day. You need to be DI only though. It's the cheapest, easiest way by far.
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Sorry dave . Will amend the post . Defo can't go back to cold even in the summer the hot is soooooooo much nicer . I love spending £100 a month on gas .but I will earn that back easily on the 1 day a year I might not of worked due to freezing conditions .anyone know the cheapest place to fill my gas bottle ?
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:) better.
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Yeh if you are di only it's a no brainier . Hot tap outside . Fill the tank up , twenty minutes . Nice warm water all day . Just the right temp so nowt freezes and the hose is soft . Keep it simple .
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Yeh if you are di only it's a no brainier . Hot tap outside . Fill the tank up , twenty minutes . Nice warm water all day . Just the right temp so nowt freezes and the hose is soft . Keep it simple .
I was told you can bugger up your resin with hot water
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no leaks bob.all connections are nice and tight.
the place i got it from could have sold me a bottle that was only half full? ::)roll
i got my refill from a different supplier so ill see how long this one lasts me.
Shake the bottle around to make sure it's not half empty or full before you buy.
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Yeh if you are di only it's a no brainier . Hot tap outside . Fill the tank up , twenty minutes . Nice warm water all day . Just the right temp so nowt freezes and the hose is soft . Keep it simple .
I was told you can bugger up your resin with hot water
If it comes out a comby boiler, the water will have only a slightly higher tds than the cold tap. I haven't noticed any significant usage over the past few year's to be honest.
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waiting for the rain and hail to stop here...i decided to take
the plunge and go hot.
turn my tap on with the red symbol on it and hey presto out it
came :o,i never realised it could be so easy.looking forward to warm
hands and no kinks in my pole hose ;D
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Daz, getting on topic...
I said you'd have a few tweeting problems re gas use.
It's all part of the fun.
Turn the heat right down, flow right up and use your varistream to control flow.
Don't warm your hose through by recirculating the water into your tank.
Once you're a few bottles in you'll have it sorted.
I use 13kg to heat between 5k-6k litres of water.
I work to 'just about steaming' at the brush. Don't have a thermometer so don't know what temperature.
Chin up Daz. And think how nice it'll be working with warm hoses in winter.
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Are you sure it is empty ,I thought mine was but it was the safety feature not allowing it to light.
Does your heater have a reset button like the fog wash?
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Good point ;)
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waiting for the rain and hail to stop here...i decided to take
the plunge and go hot.
turn my tap on with the red symbol on it and hey presto out it
came :o,i never realised it could be so easy.looking forward to warm
hands and no kinks in my pole hose ;D
Yeah I think I'll go hot tomorrow as well.
Just swap taps and I'm away.
Job done, as Wagga says ;D
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Surely in the long term it would pay to buy a hot system that runs off your vans diesel?
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waiting for the rain and hail to stop here...i decided to take
the plunge and go hot.
turn my tap on with the red symbol on it and hey presto out it
came :o,i never realised it could be so easy.looking forward to warm
hands and no kinks in my pole hose ;D
won't be enough if you have a hot water tank at home! no more hot water for your house for a while and not enough hot water in your tank!
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They cost a lot more to run that's the thing.
Mayb £5 a day in diesel, and they are supposed to have a yearly service too, (igniters changed etc) some charge £400 per service.
I'm on my second winter with an meny heater. £90. About £2 a day on LPG. I'll stick with this way untill a better/cheaper diesel heater is brought out.
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waiting for the rain and hail to stop here...i decided to take
the plunge and go hot.
turn my tap on with the red symbol on it and hey presto out it
came :o,i never realised it could be so easy.looking forward to warm
hands and no kinks in my pole hose ;D
won't be enough if you have a hot water tank at home! no more hot water for your house for a while and not enough hot water in your tank!
combi boiler mate..no tank and ten barrels of warm water worked
a treat ;)
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Small but perfectly formed I changed gas bottles and heater ignited straight away.
I think daz has a point.its my first 6 days with hot water so just need to tweak the settings a bit!! ;D
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I'd imagine watching Dezmond in action there is just a cloud of HOT STEAM around him .
Lower your settings , don't crack glass , 30 is enough
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waiting for the rain and hail to stop here...i decided to take
the plunge and go hot.
turn my tap on with the red symbol on it and hey presto out it
came :o,i never realised it could be so easy.looking forward to warm
hands and no kinks in my pole hose ;D
won't be enough if you have a hot water tank at home! no more hot water for your house for a while and not enough hot water in your tank! Ben where you living in the dark ages .in the 21st century there's something called a combi boiler . It gives you unlimited and instant hot water . Just think about it no more having to share the bath water with the wife and kids .phone a local plumber I'm sure he will be happy to install one for you .i am assuming you have electric connected to your house . ;D
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back to work this morning after family commitments yesterday.im gonna turn the temp down to min.just enough to warm the hose and luke warm at brush end.no returning hose to tank to heat the hose up first and see how i go on.
i must admit i love having hot water.the 2 main benefits for me is manageable warm hose.great in this cold weather and defo easier to clean birdmuck,snailtrails and general dirt off the frames.dirt rinses off quicker and dries quicker.
some problems ive had during previous winters with cold wfp is jets freezing,hose on the ground freezing and unheated porches/conservatories freezing.
im hoping that ill avoid these issues with hot water and even thaw out any ice on unheated windows just enough to be able to clean them properly.
i tried using the hot tap to fill my barrels a few years ago but the hose connector just kept sliding off my tap.plus ive got a water tank in my flat so i would only have a bath full of hot water so no good for me.i didnt like the idea of drilling a hole in my tank for immersion heater.diesel system too expensive so i opted for gas heater. ;D
regards
dazmond
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well i turned temp down on heater to min today and i was still getting warm water at the brush end.hoses nice and soft and warm.slight steam from brush end.sorted!
finished a bit early as taking it easy this week as ive still got sore ribs! ::)roll.
all in all ive had a pretty stress free/leak free day! ;) ;D ;D
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well i turned temp down on heater to min today and i was still getting warm water at the brush end.hoses nice and soft and warm.slight steam from brush end.sorted!
finished a bit early as taking it easy this week as ive still got sore ribs! ::)roll.
all in all ive had a pretty stress free/leak free day! ;) ;D ;D
Told ya! ;)
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back to work this morning after family commitments yesterday.im gonna turn the temp down to min.just enough to warm the hose and luke warm at brush end.no returning hose to tank to heat the hose up first and see how i go on.
i must admit i love having hot water.the 2 main benefits for me is manageable warm hose.great in this cold weather and defo easier to clean birdmuck,snailtrails and general dirt off the frames.dirt rinses off quicker and dries quicker.
some problems ive had during previous winters with cold wfp is jets freezing,hose on the ground freezing and unheated porches/conservatories freezing.
im hoping that ill avoid these issues with hot water and even thaw out any ice on unheated windows just enough to be able to clean them properly.
i tried using the hot tap to fill my barrels a few years ago but the hose connector just kept sliding off my tap.plus ive got a water tank in my flat so i would only have a bath full of hot water so no good for me.i didnt like the idea of drilling a hole in my tank for immersion heater.diesel system too expensive so i opted for gas heater. ;D
regards
dazmond
I don't use hot water, so forgive me it this is incorrect, wouldn't hot water on cold unheated porches freeze quicker than cold water?
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I've heard this theory before but I honestly think its a myth.
I've had two winters with a hot wash and I've never found that.
Often I have to melt off ice first off connys and then I can clean as normal with the hot water, surely if hot froze quicker then that wouldn't be possible.
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back to work this morning after family commitments yesterday.im gonna turn the temp down to min.just enough to warm the hose and luke warm at brush end.no returning hose to tank to heat the hose up first and see how i go on.
i must admit i love having hot water.the 2 main benefits for me is manageable warm hose.great in this cold weather and defo easier to clean birdmuck,snailtrails and general dirt off the frames.dirt rinses off quicker and dries quicker.
some problems ive had during previous winters with cold wfp is jets freezing,hose on the ground freezing and unheated porches/conservatories freezing.
im hoping that ill avoid these issues with hot water and even thaw out any ice on unheated windows just enough to be able to clean them properly.
i tried using the hot tap to fill my barrels a few years ago but the hose connector just kept sliding off my tap.plus ive got a water tank in my flat so i would only have a bath full of hot water so no good for me.i didnt like the idea of drilling a hole in my tank for immersion heater.diesel system too expensive so i opted for gas heater. ;D
regards
dazmond
I don't use hot water, so forgive me it this is incorrect, wouldn't hot water on cold unheated porches freeze quicker than cold water?
No.
Steam would freeze quicker.
Warm water (cause that's all we're actually using regardless if anyone says warm/hot/tepid/scalding/boiling) has to cool down before it freezes so technically takes marginally longer.
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Well I have seen people trying to melt ice off windscreens with kettles of boiling water and the water freezes instantly, I think it's something to do with the rate of evaporation, hot water evaporates quicker therefore the water mass reduces significantly so less water remains on the glass so freezes quicker, I do remember trading cold porches and connies hot water in the bucket for them was a definate no no ended up scraping the glass.