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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: kempy on November 17, 2013, 08:19:11 am
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Hi
Unfortunately I got pulled over on the A1 north near boston spa .weatherby .
Weighed my vehicle back axle was 1250 just under
Front axle I was 1350 - again under
BUT add them together and I was 2600kg , and my gross vehicle weight is 2450 kg
I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system , and I had a fair few poles in , 2xreels , but not much extra equipment .
I had a item off ebay for my son that was 30kg , but doesn't make much difference
2450 - gross vehicle weight
3500 - towing
1400 - front axle
1400 - rear axle
But the top figure is what it's all about .
I played dumb , very easy to do , stated that I thought it was 1400kg , less everything such as my 650 litres , me , fuel and bits and bats
£150 spot fine for being 10% over
£1500 fine in court if 30% over
However the police were very good to me , polite and helpful .
We dumped 250 litres of water. , and away I went .
Ford transit 260 04 plate . Baby one . Mwb low roof .
Now bought a T300 , ford transit which I get Monday .
They say you can go and weigh your vehicle , and if over your ok but must act on it .
Been past this place for about 4 years in this van , 3 or 4 times a month .
Oh well - I was due a newer better van - keeping it for 10years .
Do like my transits .
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Sounds like you were lucky there kempy, glad it wasn't more serious. I got my connect weighed which has a higher payload that your transit and I was 250kg over. I think the minimum payload for a 650L tank is 1100kg, you will be fine with the t300, I got myself a t330 a few months ago after finding out my connect was overweight.
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I got pulled a few months ago and was over by 40kg so i emptied some water and was overly appologetic to them and they let me go without further question.
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I bet there's lots of WFP vans over the limit. Well done on doing something about it. You couldn't risk getting caught again.
I have a vollswagon caddy 1.9tdi 104 bhp
Gross weight 2210kg
Maximum payload 724kg
The maximum I carry;
400 litres of water - 400kg
Driver and passenger - 160kg
Roof rack and ladders say- 50kg
30 litres of fuel- 30kg
Then I'm left with about 80kg for carbon poles, hose reel, leisure battery, bucket and squeegees etc.
In theory I should be ok. It would be first thing in a morning where I'm close. By late morning I've used a good 150kg of water.
Oy one way to be sure though and that's to put yourself on a Weigh bridge. Doesn't cost too much and you don't get fined etc.
Anyone with a payload of 700kg or less that carrys more than 400 litres of water you can guarantee your not legal at least early in the day.
In an Accident.....it would void our insurance as more weight means longer stopping distances etc.It's something we all have to think about and decide on.
I'm going to try get to a weigh bridge soon to make sure I'm under weight. Mayb I should go on a diet first too.
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Just been having a look at payloads and according to Parker's the old transit would have been around 890-910kg payload is that correct?
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Depends on the transit and the year. Some have more than that.
I have an 06 t260, worked it out to around 988
Edit : someone posted this pretty helpful link a few days ago : http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/vans/specs/
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
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I bet there's lots of WFP vans over the limit. Well done on doing something about it. You couldn't risk getting caught again.
I have a vollswagon caddy 1.9tdi 104 bhp
Gross weight 2210kg
Maximum payload 724kg
The maximum I carry;
400 litres of water - 400kg
Driver and passenger - 160kg
Roof rack and ladders say- 50kg
30 litres of fuel- 30kg
Then I'm left with about 80kg for carbon poles, hose reel, leisure battery, bucket and squeegees etc.
In theory I should be ok. It would be first thing in a morning where I'm close. By late morning I've used a good 150kg of water.
Oy one way to be sure though and that's to put yourself on a Weigh bridge. Doesn't cost too much and you don't get fined etc.
Anyone with a payload of 700kg or less that carrys more than 400 litres of water you can guarantee your not legal at least early in the day.
In an Accident.....it would void our insurance as more weight means longer stopping distances etc.It's something we all have to think about and decide on.
I'm going to try get to a weigh bridge soon to make sure I'm under weight. Mayb I should go on a diet first too.
I thought with the VW they also allowed a certain amount for the driver and fuel when calculating the payload, unlike most manufacturers where it all forms a part of the payload.
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Sounds like you were lucky there kempy, glad it wasn't more serious. I got my connect weighed which has a higher payload that your transit and I was 250kg over. I think the minimum payload for a 650L tank is 1100kg, you will be fine with the t300, I got myself a t330 a few months ago after finding out my connect was overweight.
Thing is Lee there have been quite a few people who have pointed this out to you in the past but better late than never to take action.
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Depends on the transit and the year. Some have more than that.
I have an 06 t260, worked it out to around 988
Edit : someone posted this pretty helpful link a few days ago : http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/vans/specs/
I searched for MWB 260 2000 - 2006
880 - 930 kg ish.
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[/quote]I thought with the VW they also allowed a certain amount for the driver and fuel when calculating the payload, unlike most manufacturers where it all forms a part of the payload.
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That's interesting dd.
I need to look into that! Even better if it's true.
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Yes I was annoyed with pure freedom ,
Do they have a weigh facility - they probably just go on some internet figures from one van to another .
I'm cool with it , I needed a better van , was going to do it in 12 months time , but done it now .
Hope insurance isn't too much more on a T300 - better fuel efficiency than my older 260.
I was polite , played dumb and got away with it . Happens again I'd be penalised .
Just a hassle of re-routing the van system etc .
Swapping it over - shouldn't be too difficult .
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I bet there's lots of WFP vans over the limit. Well done on doing something about it. You couldn't risk getting caught again.
I have a vollswagon caddy 1.9tdi 104 bhp
Gross weight 2210kg
Maximum payload 724kg
The maximum I carry;
400 litres of water - 400kg
Driver and passenger - 160kg
Roof rack and ladders say- 50kg
30 litres of fuel- 30kg
Then I'm left with about 80kg for carbon poles, hose reel, leisure battery, bucket and squeegees etc.
In theory I should be ok. It would be first thing in a morning where I'm close. By late morning I've used a good 150kg of water.
Oy one way to be sure though and that's to put yourself on a Weigh bridge. Doesn't cost too much and you don't get fined etc.
Anyone with a payload of 700kg or less that carrys more than 400 litres of water you can guarantee your not legal at least early in the day.
In an Accident.....it would void our insurance as more weight means longer stopping distances etc.It's something we all have to think about and decide on.
I'm going to try get to a weigh bridge soon to make sure I'm under weight. Mayb I should go on a diet first too.
What about your water tank?
Is it made of fresh air?
That's another 25-30kg. ;)
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I do not think Pure Freedom are quite as good as some make out. They fitted an Isothermal I diesel heater in my van and despite this taking it over the payload limit (my van was just on limit already according to weighbridge) this formed no part of the discussion they had with me. I just have to be careful now not to fill tank right up.
I do not think they are a bad company but they are certainly not as professional as some think. Their 650l upright system is not safe (too top heavy) and can overload the front axle when tight against bulkhead.
Also I do not rate their diesel heater.
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Depends on the transit and the year. Some have more than that.
I have an 06 t260, worked it out to around 988
Edit : someone posted this pretty helpful link a few days ago : http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/vans/specs/
I searched for MWB 260 2000 - 2006
880 - 930 kg ish.
Wierd, hust had a look, the swb has a higher payload.
Mwb med roof, t260 85psi - 907
Swb, low roof t260 85psi - 988
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Depends on the transit and the year. Some have more than that.
I have an 06 t260, worked it out to around 988
Edit : someone posted this pretty helpful link a few days ago : http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/vans/specs/
I searched for MWB 260 2000 - 2006
880 - 930 kg ish.
Wierd, hust had a look, the swb has a higher payload.
Mwb med roof, t260 85psi - 907
Swb, low roof t260 85psi - 988
It is because the lwb is a heavier van so that take up some of the gross weight therefore reducing the payload
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quick way to ruin your van suspension is to ride around with a heavy load each day
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Depends on the transit and the year. Some have more than that.
I have an 06 t260, worked it out to around 988
Edit : someone posted this pretty helpful link a few days ago : http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/vans/specs/
I searched for MWB 260 2000 - 2006
880 - 930 kg ish.
Wierd, hust had a look, the swb has a higher payload.
Mwb med roof, t260 85psi - 907
Swb, low roof t260 85psi - 988
It is because the lwb is a heavier van so that take up some of the gross weight therefore reducing the payload
Good call.
Carry bigger items but less weight, makes more sense getting a 280 or 300
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I had my van weighed and with everything in it I was 185
Kg clear. But if I had a passenger and a few more bits. Boom. Fine
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been warning people about this for years on here
YOU ARE RESONABLE FOR THE WEIGHT IN YOUR VAN NOT SOMEONE ELSE. ;) ;) ;)
if it goes to court then that what the judge will say, ;) ;) ;) ;)
been there done that and copped a fine of £800,
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Yep I was a lucky boy - I always thought I was way under .
All these with BERLINGOS , daddy's etc are cutting it very fine .
Well I've sorted it , pick my T300 up Monday and then refit the system Friday .
So Monday 25th I will drive past the weigh bridge several times !!!
A serious subject this and I'd advise everyone to get weighed .
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been warning people about this for years on here
YOU ARE RESONABLE FOR THE WEIGHT IN YOUR VAN NOT SOMEONE ELSE. ;) ;) ;)
if it goes to court then that what the judge will say, ;) ;) ;) ;)
been there done that and copped a fine of £800,
Yeah Franky, totally agree with you, I have mentioned payloads and gvw's on this forum and a few times on others, but nobody seems interested (until they get stopped anyway!.
I have a transit connect 230 and a 500l diy system. Went over a customers weigh bridge a few months back, with a full tank, got a bit of a shock when it came up 2000kg, only 40kg less than my gvw!.
You clearly cant go by the quoted payload so the only way to be really sure what you can carry is to go to a weigh bridge.
On another forum, whilst discussing this issue, there was a post from a guy with a van the same as mine, but with a 650l system set up for 2 men, which by my reckoning would put him 200-250kg over his gvw.
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I bet there's lots of WFP vans over the limit. Well done on doing something about it. You couldn't risk getting caught again.
I have a vollswagon caddy 1.9tdi 104 bhp
Gross weight 2210kg
Maximum payload 724kg
The maximum I carry;
400 litres of water - 400kg
Driver and passenger - 160kg
Roof rack and ladders say- 50kg
30 litres of fuel- 30kg
Then I'm left with about 80kg for carbon poles, hose reel, leisure battery, bucket and squeegees etc.
In theory I should be ok. It would be first thing in a morning where I'm close. By late morning I've used a good 150kg of water.
Oy one way to be sure though and that's to put yourself on a Weigh bridge. Doesn't cost too much and you don't get fined etc.
Anyone with a payload of 700kg or less that carrys more than 400 litres of water you can guarantee your not legal at least early in the day.
In an Accident.....it would void our insurance as more weight means longer stopping distances etc.It's something we all have to think about and decide on.
I'm going to try get to a weigh bridge soon to make sure I'm under weight. Mayb I should go on a diet first too.
What about your water tank?
Is it made of fresh air?
That's another 25-30kg. ;)
Thank you for your wise words. ;)
Going to a public weigh bridge tomorrow so we will soon find out. Might get a shock but at least I will know for sure. If I'm over then it will be a case of carrying less water and look to get a new van. I'm hoping I'm under my 2240 kg gross weight!
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Think your be close but ok . Remember to get weighed with all your usual stuff and helper
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quick way to ruin your van suspension is to ride around with a heavy load each day
thats why i would never buy a 2nd hand wfp van!
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Strange that, you'd think that's what a van is designed to do. Oh well.
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Strange that, you'd think that's what a van is designed to do. Oh well.
I'd better stop sitting my sandwich bag on the passenger seat then too. Might wear my front passenger side suspension. :)
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Strange that, you'd think that's what a van is designed to do. Oh well.
Lol, and the weight even goes down as the day goes on.
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
why you can buy blank cd to down load music that's not legal but they still sell them and when they fitted it there was no water in it so the van was still well under weight
we have a 1200 lt tanks in our 280 and its loads to the eyes balls, that's why we a a billage pump fitted in the tank one flick of a switch it under weight in under 60 sec ;)
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Probably not a good idea to brag that you run your vans overweight is it?
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
why you can buy blank cd to down load music that's not legal but they still sell them and when they fitted it there was no water in it so the van was still well under weight
we have a 1200 lt tanks in our 280 and its loads to the eyes balls, that's why we a a billage pump fitted in the tank one flick of a switch it under weight in under 60 sec ;)
Well done. Great adtitude, great advice, you are a credit to the forum. ::)roll
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1200 litre tank , what a plonker with a 280 van
Totally illegal .
Never mind
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Shocking in the least. Sort yourselves out Susan.
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
why you can buy blank cd to down load music that's not legal but they still sell them and when they fitted it there was no water in it so the van was still well under weight
we have a 1200 lt tanks in our 280 and its loads to the eyes balls, that's why we a a billage pump fitted in the tank one flick of a switch it under weight in under 60 sec ;)
Why do you need 1200 ltrs? :o
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Shocking in the least. Sort yourselves out Susan.
so is speeding but most of you will still do this as your van be fitted with a limiter ? if not I find it just as shocking that you can speed maybe to should sort yourself out ?
nobody on here is whiter then white just some of us tell the truth
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
why you can buy blank cd to down load music that's not legal but they still sell them and when they fitted it there was no water in it so the van was still well under weight
we have a 1200 lt tanks in our 280 and its loads to the eyes balls, that's why we a a billage pump fitted in the tank one flick of a switch it under weight in under 60 sec ;)
Why do you need 1200 ltrs? :o
we have just got a lot of offices on the same site and we like doing them in one hit using three cleaners at the same time , we only fill it half way any other time keeping things close but just under the limit
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Shocking in the least. Sort yourselves out Susan.
so is speeding but most of you will still do this as your van be fitted with a limiter ? if not I find it just as shocking that you can speed maybe to should sort yourself out ?
nobody on here is whiter then white just some of us tell the truth
I hardly ever speed, costs too much fuel. But even if I did, it isn't really comparable unless you are doing so recklessly. If you are using a full 1200l tank in a transit 280, it isn't just a little over, its a lot. Tyres will overheat, brakes wont cope very well, bearings or suspension components could collapse, the list goes on. If you are involved in an accident where there is some debate as to who is at fault and you are found out, you will get done and your insurance will be invalid. It really isn't worth the risk.
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Strange that, you'd think that's what a van is designed to do. Oh well.
All joking aside there probably arent many trades were the van has to cope with max payload EVERY DAY and that obviously will knacker the suspension quicker. Thats why I doubt very much I would ever buy a wfp van, mind you beggars cant be choosers :)
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Shocking in the least. Sort yourselves out Susan.
so is speeding but most of you will still do this as your van be fitted with a limiter ? if not I find it just as shocking that you can speed maybe to should sort yourself out ?
nobody on here is whiter then white just some of us tell the truth
I hardly ever speed, costs too much fuel. But even if I did, it isn't really comparable unless you are doing so recklessly. If you are using a full 1200l tank in a transit 280, it isn't just a little over, its a lot. Tyres will overheat, brakes wont cope very well, bearings or suspension components could collapse, the list goes on. If you are involved in an accident where there is some debate as to who is at fault and you are found out, you will get done and your insurance will be invalid. It really isn't worth the risk.
Not forgetting the van's an absolute death trap. Driven by someone who's admitted that their overweight on a public forum. Honesty or stupid Susan?
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I have a 650kg pure freedom system fitted , 2 man system
Suprised they agreed to install a system that would take the vehicle over the weight. Did they not advise you of this when you got it?
I'd be pretty annoyed at them if I was you.
why you can buy blank cd to down load music that's not legal but they still sell them and when they fitted it there was no water in it so the van was still well under weight
we have a 1200 lt tanks in our 280 and its loads to the eyes balls, that's why we a a billage pump fitted in the tank one flick of a switch it under weight in under 60 sec ;)
Why waste all that water? Just pump it into the caravan instead.
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Pure Freedom installed it? As in the one in Grimsby?
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just done my calculations! way clear:
Full tank: 620
me: 90
reel and tech: 30
full diesel tank: 60
total:800
payload 825
no room for a passenger but i never do have a passenger as i have no friends!
if i do one day make a friend i never have a full tank so waaaaaaaay
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How much do your ladders weigh ? 20kg
How much does your ladder rack weigh ? 30kg
I've just fitted a new 2-bar ladder rack with a small roller - couldn't elide how much it weighed .
Persons forget about the ladders and ladder rack
THE WEIGH BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT "GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT " .. Not payload , but both are linked to each other
Gross vehicle weight
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yeah your right but
1. i never have full diesel 2. never have a full tank
ladders aint 20kg either much lighter and same with rack its not heavy at all.
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Superb , your be ok then
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I'm still trying to get some spare time to get to the weigh bridge. I'm curios, but not enough to miss work time.lol
It's hectic before crimbo.
I've added everything up and should be ok, but still want to be sure.
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Is your battery a separate system battery or the van battery? That will add a few more kilo's. I wouldn't want to be within 25kg of the limit as that can easily be swallowed up without thinking about it.
I personally think it's more of a problem being 4 years old and driving the van though.
Simon.
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Is your battery a separate system battery or the van battery? That will add a few more kilo's. I wouldn't want to be within 25kg of the limit as that can easily be swallowed up without thinking about it.
I personally think it's more of a problem being 4 years old and driving the van though.
Simon.
How can you reach the pedals?