Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: gavinb on October 22, 2013, 08:13:36 pm
-
Just found a video on youtube of the new gardiners brushes that are coming out very soon .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slp5CoBiTlc
-
Looks good,
I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex ) ;) ;D
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
-
Yeah the Quik loq is probably good , all I wanted to buy was a new 10" carbon neck , but I must buy the whole lot now .
You can't just buy the 10"carbon neck , had to get the 14" and that was a mistake for domestic heights . I will have to buy the full Quik loq 10" carbon neck for the 1 brush that I will have a gardiners CILL brush on .
But the gardiner brushes ATM are just terrible in durability and scrubbing power compared to the Tecbuk .
Competition at last
What I have done and I got the idea from someone else , Is I used a grinder and I took loads of the black stock off . I went really close to the bristles this
Reduces weight - now not a issue
Reduces banging against the window frame
Also a new Tecbuk is coming out , a carbon fibre housing/stock . So will be LIGHT and well made and scrubbing power .
Sounds very good if true
-
I saw that he was bringing one out, but it sound like it's going to cost quite a bit too.
I've got a new 10" gooseneck I was going to put on eBay. It's the one you screw to your brush, £25 inc postage.
-
.
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Hi Kempy!
I'd be one of them, "others".
I think that, as a company, their research and development is only surpassed by their innovation; I can't think where we'd be without their contribution to the industry.
The issues that you have concerning durability and scrubbing, should be weighed in the light of attempts to achieve an ever lighter brush, wouldn't you say?
-
A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .
A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .
New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system
-
A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .
A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .
New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system
Hi Kempy
Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.
We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.
With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?
Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf
-
Looks good,
I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex ) ;) ;D
Thanks Steven - I'll keep you in mind next time ;)
-
I've found that a big factor in brush longevity is to not pull out any bristles ends that have started to come out. If you just clip them or refrain from pulling them out the brushes last much much longer.
-
I've had other gardiner brushes and know others that use the other kinds .
Just my opinion and maybe a few others , just I prefere others now that's all.
The whole wfp industry is good and now competitive , I now source all my bits from various suppliers , I use pure freedom , aqua adaptor , gardiners and a few other not primarily wfp suppliers for other stuff.
I've recently got a new 18ft pole made up from various manufacturers , tweaked to my liking .
-
I've got the white med one and that is better than the black and that will be my chill brush from now on . I have had other gardiner brushes before the cill range ones came out .
-
alex, im after a cill brush to try out, mainly for domestic with the upvc sills + frames, at the moment ive been using the superlite white brush for the last year, its good but i think a cill brush will get more crap off cills with less effort.
which would you advise on for domestics. and an all rounder.
its either a cill brush or a s/lite dual trim medium mixed
-
alex, im after a cill brush to try out, mainly for domestic with the upvc sills + frames, at the moment ive been using the superlite white brush for the last year, its good but i think a cill brush will get more crap off cills with less effort.
which would you advise on for domestics. and an all rounder.
its either a cill brush or a s/lite dual trim medium mixed
A Radius Sill brush is a lot easier to get to sills with.
If you have been using the all-white DT Super-Lite brush then the Sill Stiff ( http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/The-Super-Lite--Radius-Sill-Brush-Flat-Trim-Stiff-Bristles--Red--BRUSH_SLSILL_DTSTIFF.html) is very similar - However the Sill Medium Mixed is probably a better brush for overall ease of cleaning - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/the-super-lite-radius-sill-brush-dual-trim-medium-bristles-white.html
If sills are not the main priority then a Super-Lite DT Medium-Mixed is an excellent all-round brush on windows and frames - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/the-super-lite-brush-dual-trim-medium-mixed-bristles.html
-
I had a medium mixed Xtreme brush last 12 months of constant use!!
Wouldn't even consider any other brush now regardless of longevity. ;)
-
If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.
Those blue bristles are awesome!
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.
With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?
Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf
Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.
I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.
I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,
I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes :( perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush ;) ;D
-
Yes I think I will buy the mixed white medium strength bristles from now on only as I have that one already and it lasts longer than that black soft one.
-
If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.
Those blue bristles are awesome!
i would buy one of these , any plans alex?
-
A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .
A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .
New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system
Hi Kempy
Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.
We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.
your not phasing the normal soft brush out are you? Please say no.
-
these quick-loq 90 brush sockets, £2.95, do you just screw them onto brush, then add brush on and off when needed, replacing your screw one which is already on brush base.
-
If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.
Those blue bristles are awesome!
Can you drop me an email on alex@agardiner.co.uk regarding this :)
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.
With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?
Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf
Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.
I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.
I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,
I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes :( perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush ;) ;D
Hi Lee
I will email you regarding a brush I want you to try.
-
A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .
A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .
New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system
Hi Kempy
Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.
We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.
your not phasing the normal soft brush out are you? Please say no.
Which soft brush are you referring to?
-
If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.
Those blue bristles are awesome!
i would buy one of these , any plans alex?
I'm looking into it as it is possible :)
-
these quick-loq 90 brush sockets, £2.95, do you just screw them onto brush, then add brush on and off when needed, replacing your screw one which is already on brush base.
Yes :D
-
Emailed you Alex. You should recognise the names ;)
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
When he does that, free extreme poles and brushes all round :D
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
He IS a billionaire & it's his minions that reply to all the emails!! :D
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
I have successfully achieved the art of cloning - I am actually reading a book right now, 'me No.17' is typing this with my exact thoughts ;D
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
I have successfully achieved the art of cloning - I am actually reading a book right now, 'me No.17' is typing this with my exact thoughts ;D
quick one alex
on the website under super lite xtreme STIFF dual trim brush in the product review it says ...bristle stiffness.. medium ??
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
I have successfully achieved the art of cloning - I am actually reading a book right now, 'me No.17' is typing this with my exact thoughts ;D
Thats great :) Ad to that, i think you should write a book so that way, you just dont have to do much, the book will bring a lot of revenue as well ;)
These days, any one who get a little publicity on T.V. get a book out straight away, must be a great revenue from just writiing a book, and they dont even write the book, they get the goest writers to do it ;D
-
Alex
How do you get time to answer so many e mails and at the same time run your great business?
I am so amazed, every time I email you regarding an issue or even a question or guide , you are so quick with your reply that is second to none.
I truly admire you mate.
I wish you expand your company world wide and retire billionaire, you truly deserve it. :)
I have successfully achieved the art of cloning - I am actually reading a book right now, 'me No.17' is typing this with my exact thoughts ;D
quick one alex
on the website under super lite xtreme STIFF dual trim brush in the product review it says ...bristle stiffness.. medium ??
The bristles on this Xtreme Stiff brush are the same stiff bristles as the other stiff brushes in the range, but because the brush has far fewer rows of bristles it feels more like a medium brush. I will try and see if I can make this clearer on the website.
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
-
If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.
Those blue bristles are awesome!
i would buy one of these , any plans alex?
I'm looking into it as it is possible :)
Brilliant Alex , will look forward to seeing it!
If you need somebody to trial it ......;-)
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
On regular cleans an extreme is all that is needed, there is very little dirt so all it need is a small agitation and rinse so therefore there is no need for the brush to have extra scrubbing power, and therefore no need to be heavier, so the you can really go any quicker
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush?
Inadequate to be honest.
Last week I had an in and out to do. I did the outsides, with an extreme brush.
Went inside to finish the job but could see the Upstairs windows on the outside hadn't come up clean regarding spider poo. Went outside to re-do all of the affected windows. Went back in, they were still the same, barely any cleaner. Extreme brushes aren't man enough.
When I clean an upstairs window I expect the brush to do the job as those spider droppings can't be seen from the ground but they will be from the inside.
I am a Gardiner customer through and through, I will be buying only super lites from now on, except I'm going to try out the cladding brush on glass to see how that is, can't be too bad at 15 squid a pop :0)
-
Extreme brush on Georgian and leaded windows is awesome.
And agree with lee totally.
-
A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .
A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .
New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system
Hi Kempy
Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.
We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.
your not phasing the normal soft brush out are you? Please say no.
Which soft brush are you referring to?
dual trim standard splay flocked
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!! ;D ;D
Now that IS a bad brush!!
-
dual trim standard splay flocked
Do not worry this flocked brush is staying firmly in our brush range as it works well and is very popular.
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?
Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.
-
You need a brush with good scrubbing power , we're cleaning windows not just simply swilling or a slight scrub .
Hence I love the Tecbuk as it cleans fantastic .
Proper good bristles with the inner 17% boars hair bristles .
Also there's other choices .
Many choices now
-
I lightly scrub everything unless it's a first clean. Wfp is all about confidence, most glass I don't even rinse now.
-
Mr fox the Extreme brush's are like having a toothbrush on the end BUT clean as good as having old brick sill brush :o I did not like it and put the white sill brush back on. Then give it a go again and all I can say is WOW what a brush, it was not that I did not like it at first, more I did not trust it to clean as good. Now I trust it and don't think I need to go over and over the windows as I did at first with it. Now we just need a extreme sill brush ;) like garlic bread,it's the future 8)
-
the brush in the video cleans excellent if you like the old xtreme you will love the new xtreme medium hybrid
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
On regular cleans an extreme is all that is needed, there is very little dirt so all it need is a small agitation and rinse so therefore there is no need for the brush to have extra scrubbing power, and therefore no need to be heavier, so the you can really go any quicker
Cheers Lee.
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?
Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.
Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!! ;D ;D
Now that IS a bad brush!!
?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do. ;)
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?
Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.
Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff
Then I'd probably buy a wide Extreme brush or stick my Superlight flocked on.
Hundreds of windowcleaners buy dreadful fibreglass poles too - god knows why.
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?
Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.
Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff
That's where you're wrong Foxy, it's actually very difficult to make a lightweight brush that is effective & fit for purpose. ;)
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!! ;D ;D
Now that IS a bad brush!!
?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do. ;)
Well that's funny Stevie boy, YOU told me personally that the Salmon/Hillbrush -ProWindow effort that you sold (or still sell I don't know?) was indeed a joint venture between you & them!!! ;D ;D ;D
I bought it based on the fact they were made to "your" spec & it had to be the worst brush ever produced for purpose- in every way!! ;D ;D
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.
With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?
Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf
Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.
I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.
I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,
I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes :( perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush ;) ;D
Hi Lee
I will email you regarding a brush I want you to try.
Sounds interesting. :)
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!! ;D ;D
Now that IS a bad brush!!
?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do. ;)
Well that's funny Stevie boy, YOU told me personally that the Salmon/Hillbrush -ProWindow effort that you sold (or still sell I don't know?) was indeed a joint venture between you & them!!! ;D ;D ;D
I bought it based on the fact they were made to "your" spec & it had to be the worst brush ever produced for purpose- in every way!! ;D ;D
Winpro I think your getting confused my friend, the WFP pro brush has been around before we took them on, it was certainly not a 'joint venture' I know at least two companies who sold them before we did.
I think your mistaking it for the sill saver brush, which is completely different.
-
Where do you buy the tecbuk brushes?
-
The blue inner bristles could be the very thing i have been waiting for . The problem i have is when cleaning a window with stubborn bird muck on from the side .
I have about 15 houses in one street with large rectangle bays and on one side up the upper bay window i have to clean them from the side over the gardens from a public footpath . And it can take 3-4 times of soaking and scrubbing and doubling back before i can shift it completely .
Cleaning from the side above connys etc as we all know you cant apply as much pressure as front on which makes bird muck harder to shift . which on above mentioned street is a pain so any improvement to help with this would be great . Mike
-
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .
Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !
I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me
Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long enough, especially with hot water.
The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.
I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.
Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.
With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?
Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf
Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.
I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.
I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,
I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes :( perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush ;) ;D
Hi Lee
I will email you regarding a brush I want you to try.
Sounds interesting. :)
Hi Alex, did you send an email? I wasn't sure if I missed it.
-
Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?
They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!! ;D ;D
Now that IS a bad brush!!
?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do. ;)
Well that's funny Stevie boy, YOU told me personally that the Salmon/Hillbrush -ProWindow effort that you sold (or still sell I don't know?) was indeed a joint venture between you & them!!! ;D ;D ;D
I bought it based on the fact they were made to "your" spec & it had to be the worst brush ever produced for purpose- in every way!! ;D ;D
Winpro I think your getting confused my friend, the WFP pro brush has been around before we took them on, it was certainly not a 'joint venture' I know at least two companies who sold them before we did.
I think your mistaking it for the sill saver brush, which is completely different.
No mate. I asked the questions via your website, three questions in-fact & you got all three wrong. The reply email was from you, unless there is another Stephen Fox in that dept'? One of the questions was if the brush was the same as the slamon/hill brush as sold by other suppliers. You replied yes but this one is made to "our spec". IMO that wasn't true anyway, you also got the size wrong & the third question evades me, it was some time ago!! ;D
-
Winpro, I would love to see this email - I don't think i've answered an enquiry email for at least 5 years! So how long are we actually talking? I don't get things wrong......... ;D
-
Winpro, I would love to see this email - I don't think i've answered an enquiry email for at least 5 years! So how long are we actually talking? I don't get things wrong......... ;D
Well it's certainly NOT 5 years ago. I would say probably 3 years ago & unless someone else has access to your email account or there is another Stephen Fox there then you definitely DO get things wrong!! ;D
-
Winpro, I would love to see this email - I don't think i've answered an enquiry email for at least 5 years! So how long are we actually talking? I don't get things wrong......... ;D
Well it's certainly NOT 5 years ago. I would say probably 3 years ago & unless someone else has access to your email account or there is another Stephen Fox there then you definitely DO get things wrong!! ;D
We've around 7 people team who answer emails daily, with a few global accounts which my name might of been attached to, or was attached to, but not actually me. My email is fox@wcw any email from that address is definitely me.
I'm sure this is of massive interest to all...........
-
Looks good,
I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex ) ;) ;D
Thanks Steven - I'll keep you in mind next time ;)
Im bored and have a little experience with brushes,
-
Looks good,
I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex ) ;) ;D
Thanks Steven - I'll keep you in mind next time ;)
Im bored and have a little experience with brushes,
Boom boom!
-
Winpro, I would love to see this email - I don't think i've answered an enquiry email for at least 5 years! So how long are we actually talking? I don't get things wrong......... ;D
Well it's certainly NOT 5 years ago. I would say probably 3 years ago & unless someone else has access to your email account or there is another Stephen Fox there then you definitely DO get things wrong!! ;D
We've around 7 people team who answer emails daily, with a few global accounts which my name might of been attached to, or was attached to, but not actually me. My email is fox@wcw any email from that address is definitely me.
I'm sure this is of massive interest to all...........
Yep, it was you!! ;D