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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: M.Acorn on October 16, 2013, 07:16:21 pm
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Did a job for an Irish couple today,alarm bells did ring once I got there,but try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
Lounge / stairs and round bed in a bed room.
Started job,they went out shopping,I finish and call saying I am done,he replies I got a puncture, can you go home and I will drop off the money later,I was in Yaxley which is a good 25 min drive,said no I will wait till you get back.
10 mins later he calls again saying he is going to be a few hours waiting for recovery,I said ok then,I will take goods to the value of £75,which I can give you back once I have the money..2 mins later he turns up with 2 mates.
Long story short,it got a bit heated,not smoked for 5 days so I was a little irate .
Ended up chucking the bucket of filthy water I had put aside all over his hall way and driving off,he called me a few times on the way home saying he wanted me to come and sort it out..
First time in 9 years I have written off a payment,but was better to walk rather than start a war with pikies as there are loads of them in Yaxley...So guys don't work at 8 owl end walk in Yaxley
You won't get paid..
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Favourite trick of theirs.
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Yeah takes the pee,their house was like a flipping shrine to Jesus,lying swine's, i'm no christian but wouldn't dream of pulling a stunt like that.
Not gonna let it get too me though,like I say it's the first in 9 years,won't be getting bitten again though
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Just so long as they don't pay you a visit tonight.
What goes around comes around......
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Yeah takes the pee,their house was like a flipping shrine to Jesus,lying swine's, i'm no christian but wouldn't dream of pulling a stunt like that.
Not gonna let it get too me though,like I say it's the first in 9 years,won't be getting bitten again though
Give them a call, you never know, what they said could be true.
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I am really not expecting them to turn up with any money :(
Just so long as they don't pay you a visit tonight.
Best get the 410 out the cupboard then,lol
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I am really not expecting them to turn up with any money :(
Just so long as they don't pay you a visit tonight.
Best get the 410 out the cupboard then,lol
best had, it will match the 3 that they bring round in the wee small hours
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what was his excuse for not paying you when he actually arrived??
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Said he was not happy,even though the carpets came up like new,he went round and found a few tiny marks ,which was just where the pile was in a different direction,the carpet in the lounge was nailed down,kept hitting my wand on them,pity they were stainless nails.
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Mark, just read the post. There are a lot of travellers (to be polite) near where I live and in the early 1980s I used to clean the windows for a large family of them on a monthly basis. the whole family wanted all the windows cleaned inside and out and were EXTREMELY house proud, with the emphasis on extremely. Every time I called to clean I was walking on eggshells even outside the house, let alone inside!!
To travellers their home is as you say treated like a shrine, nothing is allowed to be out of place or have a spec of dirt, also they have little or no regard for us non-members of their community. My advice to you is take care when out in your van as its sign written and makes you an easy target for their anger.
Just watch your back and good luck
Phil
PS maybe safer taking up the ciggies again ;D
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Dirty stinking gyppo idiots
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Their anger,they have nothing to be angry at,I am the angry one for doing a very good job and being ripped off by them,well apart from the 10ltr bucket of dirty water out of the waste tank.
And yes there are loads of them around here,probably all related,driving round in their brand new flash cars,ripping people off with their shoddy workmanship and not paying their taxes.Where did I put my baccy ? ;D
5 days today,but still not tempted
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Hopefully you'll have delaminated the pikies carpet and create some smelly mould growth :)
I cleaned a gypo's caravan once, many years ago when I first started. I wouldn't have taken the job on but I didn't know he was a gypo or know what scumbags they where back then. Channel 4 didn't do gypo programs back then...
And that bugger short changed me by £20. He said he would pass by my office (don't know I had an office) with the £20 the next day. I knew I wasn't going to get it, I was naïve and wasn't sure what to do so just left it.
That only happens once though!
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Yeah,alarm bells rang when he asked to use my phone as he had no credit on his and yes only happens once.
They did have some quite amusing family photos up,all dressed in silly outfits like on the tv,made me chuckle
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I personally don't agree with throwing the water over his carpets, you have made a bad situation much worse, I'd move to a different county if I were you , these people have a very long memories........
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Why is that ? I was just returning his dirt and his water,maybe next time he tries to rip off a fellow carpet cleaner he will think twice or possibly do what most normal people do and actually pay for the service.
I had always thought "they" were ok and stood up for them in conversation,but he has ended all that,won't ever be working for their kind again.
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Why is that ? I was just returning his dirt and his water,maybe next time he tries to rip off a fellow carpet cleaner he will think twice or possibly do what most normal people do and actually pay for the service.
I had always thought "they" were ok and stood up for them in conversation,but he has ended all that,won't ever be working for their kind again.
To be honest mate you don't mess with Pikey's they need the slightest excuse to wage a war on someone, it's like a hobby to them, hell they even murder their own (I read somewhere).
Now some of you will say sod that, they ain't gettin away with taking me for a mug. Fine, do what you want.
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Did they find you by your website then Mark??
Only asking as your address is on there....
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Found me in Yellow pages lol.And stupidly gave them a business card ???
Still waiting for the knock on the door...One of the pikey thing on tv had them there from p boro,there are quite a large number,my landlord had a load of them move onto some of his land,what did he do ? He sent both his sons down there at around 330 am,with a tank of slurry on the back of a tractor,and sprayed all their caravans and new cars with poo poo,they were gone the day after lol
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"I had always thought "they" were ok and stood up for them in conversation,but he has ended all that,won't ever be working for their kind again. "
Strange conclusion, in other words if a certain individual belongs to a patcular group of people example easten european, asian, students, doctor,s chinese........... etc etc you will boycott those groups if they do the dirty on you. ::)roll
I actualy clean for some travellers, gypsies call them what you want , every 6 months with out fail, they are emaculate , they are proud , they are respectable they pay good money , and never complain, never barter. they earn their money in a respectable way.
Dont draw conclusions just because you have been stung once is what i say.
geoff
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Your both entitled to both your opinions...
Now off to watch The Tunnel on Sky Atlantic :)
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They probably wont come round as if they are proper gypsies then they will not want the community knowing they owed money as they are very proud people .But my guess is they were not and wont give a sh*te and bank on people not standing up to them so as not to pay .
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It happend to me once about ten years ago, but i had a ninja full of hot very dirty water that they got it all over the carpet, they soon payd me! Fight fire with fire, I very rarely work for anyone now with an irish acent which is bad realy as the genuine irish people are lovely folk, I am in ireland every month as my psrtner lives there
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Here in Ireland we can tell the difference in accent pretty easy over the phone , some here would just not work for them or ask for payment up front , prejudice against them is more acute here , but there are some good travelers who are just trying to make the best of the hand they have been dealt .
They a bit of a social problem and hopefully they will integrate in a few generations as education improves for them .
But Irish people generally don't talk like this ... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFQUpLnr3E
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Just watched that u tube clip john ! Nearly ped myself laughing , I wont try that though when I am back in ireland in a couple of weeks ! Northern ireland that is ! Strabane
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This bloke was on the tv a few weeks back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4rNFd6Z198
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We have these type in our area, Well did until Police removed them.
Our major problem is we have a company name on our van and Part of Group is Debt Management/sheriff officers and there was certain parts of Ayr which we not visit as we get our vans smashed, tyres sliced, kit nicked, staff of bricks thrown at.
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Did a job for an Irish couple today,alarm bells did ring once I got there,but try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
Lounge / stairs and round bed in a bed room.
Started job,they went out shopping,I finish and call saying I am done,he replies I got a puncture, can you go home and I will drop off the money later,I was in Yaxley which is a good 25 min drive,said no I will wait till you get back.
10 mins later he calls again saying he is going to be a few hours waiting for recovery,I said ok then,I will take goods to the value of £75,which I can give you back once I have the money..2 mins later he turns up with 2 mates.
Long story short,it got a bit heated,not smoked for 5 days so I was a little irate .
Ended up chucking the bucket of filthy water I had put aside all over his hall way and driving off,he called me a few times on the way home saying he wanted me to come and sort it out..
First time in 9 years I have written off a payment,but was better to walk rather than start a war with pikies as there are loads of them in Yaxley...So guys don't work at 8 owl end walk in Yaxley
You won't get paid..
Sorry to hear about this, and people wonder why they get a bad name.
David
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What's the law on returning "dirt"
Sure you are just putting it back but what about the water?
That water was never in the carpet before you arrived, you cant just go and flood someones house. It's vandalism.
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Warren
I hope this never happens to you ! These people only know one thing, they are not what you would call law abiding citizens are they
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Warren is right though. its not the replacement of dirt that will damage the carpet, its the 10 litres of water dumped n the carpet.
As much as i think its right to do that to the non paying scum the law will probably take their side unfortunately.
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The water came from his tap, in his house, so the water was his as well.. Just re-distributed in a different location.. ;D ;D
I had to do the same with an Asian bloke in Leicester many moons ago...
It feels really good at the time.. ;D ;D
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you should have got some on his shoe, that would have really annoyed him ;D
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They've probably had someone else round by now to deal with the water and not paid them too ;D
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I did threaten to take goods to the value of the clean,which he could have taken back upon payment,but about 10 mins after I told him that he turned up with his mates,funny how he said the recovery company were going to be 3 hours and also funny how at first he said they were out shopping,then he changed his story to he was at hospital with his pregnant wife,who he told me he left there,but came walking back into the house shortly afterwards.
Lying scum,he started preaching to me about how travellers,don't deserve their bad name and they aren't all the same !!
Think he proved they do
And re the law,I really can't see them getting in touch with the police
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I did threaten to take goods to the value of the clean,which he could have taken back upon payment,but about 10 mins after I told him that he turned up with his mates,funny how he said the recovery company were going to be 3 hours and also funny how at first he said they were out shopping,then he changed his story to he was at hospital with his pregnant wife,who he told me he left there,but came walking back into the house shortly afterwards.
Lying scum,he started preaching to me about how travellers,don't deserve their bad name and they aren't all the same !!
Think he proved they do
And re the law,I really can't see them getting in touch with the police
What funny is you could actually still pass this onto a Debt Management firm to collect the amount owed plus they would have experience and would properly get the money owed to you.
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How could a debt management company "recover " this debt , there is no "purchase order" and the customer would simply say "I paid him cash" ............???
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How could a debt management company "recover " this debt , there is no "purchase order" and the customer would simply say "I paid him cash" ............???
Its simple,
He got a invoice for the work - Yep
Is it unpaid? - Yep
That is fine, Debt management company can chase up on this as a Outstanding Balance.
So how does it work you ask?
If they Payee (Person money due to) has not been made then a Debt management company can request the Payer (Person who needs to pay) to pay the outstanding balance. It is then the Payer to prove they have paid the Payee. Which is simple as he would have a paper trail or etc as you should be issuing a receipt of some sort to a payer as you could be audited by HMRC without any notice.
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never do work for travellers
Your just asking for trouble
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tried to do a clean for a time traveller last week , when I pulled into his drive he came out and told me to pee off :-\ :-\ he said he wasn't happy with how it turned out
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Russ
Trouble is identifying them ? Not all irish customors are gipos and most irish folk are realy nice people a lot better and more polite than folk in this country
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If these in question are travellers why are they living in a house?
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tried to do a clean for a time traveller last week , when I pulled into his drive he came out and told me to pee off :-\ :-\ he said he wasn't happy with how it turned out
;D ;D
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Travelers don't have to be Irish and they don't have to live in caravans, I know this because there are loads of them living on a local council estate near me.
Identification is usually straight forward...
New transit in the drive way with amber light on the roof, females wearing too much makeup, men wearing vests, big iron gates on the drive, mini digger or trailer in the garden, religious items, dealer Boots, kids in vests usually fighting....oh and dogs... Usually lots
People like this do this sort of thing all the time the police will avoid any involvement
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They had quite a persuasive way of dealing with them in Snatch.
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;D
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Its simple,
He got a invoice for the work - Yep
Is it unpaid? - Yep
That is fine, Debt management company can chase up on this as a Outstanding Balance.
So how does it work you ask?
If they Payee (Person money due to) has not been made then a Debt management company can request the Payer (Person who needs to pay) to pay the outstanding balance. It is then the Payer to prove they have paid the Payee. Which is simple as he would have a paper trail or etc as you should be issuing a receipt of some sort to a payer as you could be audited by HMRC without any notice.
Cannot see that working as paper trails have to be signed,ie purchase orders and delivery notes , also the payer only has to say he paid cash and did not get a receipt, or even sorry never seen the guy before .........
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Its simple,
He got a invoice for the work - Yep
Is it unpaid? - Yep
That is fine, Debt management company can chase up on this as a Outstanding Balance.
So how does it work you ask?
If they Payee (Person money due to) has not been made then a Debt management company can request the Payer (Person who needs to pay) to pay the outstanding balance. It is then the Payer to prove they have paid the Payee. Which is simple as he would have a paper trail or etc as you should be issuing a receipt of some sort to a payer as you could be audited by HMRC without any notice.
Cannot see that working as paper trails have to be signed,ie purchase orders and delivery notes , also the payer only has to say he paid cash and did not get a receipt, or even sorry never seen the guy before .........
It just depends on how hard you want to be! Which is WHY its important you have correct processes in place before you start work.
I have a Quotation I give then if they accept it I then do an acceptance of quote and I get them to sign and date it and then when I arrive I get them to sign a bit paper which is a insurance document & then once I done and before I talk about money I ask 'Could you sign this to say you are happy with the work' Once that sign I then ask for money and issue a receipt.
I had issue in the past with travellers and this is how I got paid! was due to all the wee bit extra paperwork I did.
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Hi Guys
Just to add a little balance, did a job this afternoon for a family of 'Showmen' and they were really pleasant and no problems with payment.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Guys
Just to add a little balance, did a job this afternoon for a family of 'Showmen' and they were really pleasant and no problems with payment.
Cheers
Doug
Showmen are different. I clean one there houses near me and gosh he got HUGE Wall & Gates and he pays in Cash and on Day. I always say that Showmen have money as they need to maintain there lorrie & etc.
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
We got a family friend who a show family have have loads of rides and etc, Plus I reckon he made a few million with all his lorries and he gets annoyed when people call him a traveler.
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We have a gypsy camp on the outskirts of our town, they mix in quite well with the community, occasionally there is a bit of trouble, but there is in all walks of life.
All the kids go to a catholic junior school, but dont know any that go to a secondary school.
Every year next town 13 miles away host the Annual horse fair, they stay on a field that has a royal charter saying they can hold it annually, often 80,000 turn up into the small market town, generally the police treat them like sh*te and all hell breaks loose, you wouldnt want to be in the vacinity when it does.
A lot of them have traditional homes as well as living in there caravans on sites, maybe they have double identities ;)
Of the ones I have dealt with, all have been ok and paid no problem.
Many years ago i was the manager of a night club, they booked it as a young farmers event, cheeky gits, top gypsy from london ended up fighting the top Irish gypsy, never seen a fight like it, lasted 3 half hrs, niether would give in, a copper turned up and said everything seems ok here and that he would leave them to it, wise man.
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There parked up in every public car park round here, just 3 or 4 in each one.
There's gear all over the place and the area round them is a sh*thole.
They're despised round here and people complain that when the council does get rid of them they don't charge them for parking.
You or me park w/o paying and you get a fine......old AH was a naughty boy but he had his moments.
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If anyones wondering why they started living in the UK .
Perhaps a simple explanation but something like this ...
They used to live on the side of the road in Ireland , in olden days and perhaps for centuries they traveled from place to place doing casual or seasonal work , farm labor , selling bits and pieces or they had a craft tin smith etc , the women would call to local houses begging food in return for a blessing or whatever , superstition meant they were well enough treated but perhaps not that trusted and socially isolated .
Jump to recent times ... last 50 years they started to get vans and caravans , still on the side of the road , dealing in scrap , selling bits and pieces , with some opportunist theft and shoplifting . No door to door as the settled irish would barely talk to them let alone buy or give them anything . Very socially isolated from the settled irish , laws at the time meant if they entered a shop for eg the shopkeeper could leap out and run them out the door just on entering and likewise they would be refused entry to pubs , hotels . local Councils started to move them on from roadside camps and blocked lay-bys with boulders , as the country developed the roads became busy and dangerous for the children to live there also , government solution was purpose built halting sites , with some facilities . They were also offered housing and generally money was thrown at them and still is to avert a bigger problem if poverty prevails .
So I'd say many moved to England where they could still pull into waste ground while the council scratched their head as to what to do , and they could now hustle work or sell door to door , painting barns , tarmac , selling generators or whatever as the English would kinda trust them thinking they are just ' Da Irish ' an some of them are a bit rough ...
So here we are ... big fat Gypsie weddings , big brother paddy , etc , they still travel , but mostly just home to see the relatives in Ireland , flaunt the cars and wealth if they have it ... and perhaps have a fight or two with the cousins :)
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There are gypsies all over the world, spoke with a young gypsy man many years ago,
he told me that the majority origonated from Persia over a 1000 yrs ago.
Maybe they are the origonal migrants
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I clean windows in Ireland, and a fair few of my customers are members of the travelling community.
In my experience, most of those I deal with are polite and treat me fairly, so I am happy because they are happy. There are others, some of whom are direct family members of the 'good' customers, who pull every excuse to avoid paying. I don't retaliate, but I keep a record of the problem customers and will only clean for them again once the money is in my hand.
I had a phone call only today from a lady who owes me for 4 cleans. Yes I have only myself to blame for being too soft, but I am finally learning!. She was pleading with me to clean her windows tomorrow. I told her I will, but only after she has paid me all that she owes. She agreed, although it sounded reluctant on the phone. When I turn up, unless she pays upfront, I will drive away. If she pays, happy days. We will see.
John
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I live next to a camping area for holiday makers in Germany. We've had pykies rock up here twice for short stays. They drive 5 to 10 year old 4X4's and drag brand new top of the range LMC luxury caravans about. All with the upholstery still covered in plastic protective sheaths.
They pay cash in advance to the farmer, and avoid talking to me when they see the British flag flying on a mast in my front garden. ;D When I did try to talk to them once, they went into a huddle and practiced darting eye movements. :D No kids by the way, and no females or dogs. I assume they were on a caravan "buying" trip. ::)roll
I wouldn't have left the dirty water on their carpet Mark. They can get nasty and you may get a visit one night from him and his ginger mates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FKvhiTUQ0Q
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
Is there anybody in the world you don't know?? ::)roll
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no-one not worth knowing.... apparently ;D ;D
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
Is there anybody in the world you don't know?? ::)roll
I don't know you :D
Nah my grandparents knew him some way or other. I properly say the Navy or Army!
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
Is there anybody in the world you don't know?? ::)roll
I don't know you :D
Nah my grandparents knew him some way or other. I properly say the Navy or Army!
??? Have no idea what you talking about.
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
Is there anybody in the world you don't know?? ::)roll
I don't know you :D
Nah my grandparents knew him some way or other. I properly say the Navy or Army!
??? Have no idea what you talking about.
Its okay Hummer. You go back to drinking your coco :D :D
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show men are not gypsies.......
I know several and you would be in trouble if you called them that..
Is there anybody in the world you don't know?? ::)roll
I don't know you :D
Nah my grandparents knew him some way or other. I properly say the Navy or Army!
??? Have no idea what you talking about.
Its okay Hummer. You go back to drinking your coco :D :D
I will and you go back to whatever it is your drinking! ;D
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I have just had a Policeman phone up an Cancel £300 of made to measure Wood Blinds that I had made specifically for his house.
Now I will have to try and sell them to the neighbours at cost
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I have just had a Policeman phone up an Cancel £300 of made to measure Wood Blinds that I had made specifically for his house.
Now I will have to try and sell them to the neighbours at cost
lol! Did you not get him to sign a contract which basically says he needs to take them :D Hint Made to Measure your windows.
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At the end of the day is it worth going to court etc
Maybe I am soft but I would rather put my energy into the next deal
Some you win some you loose
In reality we talking a loss of £110
I end up with a nice blind for my office and a good quality demo blind.
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Or... as you said earlier Ian..
Sell it to his next door neighbour for £150
It will really p1$$ him off then..
;D ;D ;D