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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: M W. on October 07, 2013, 10:50:09 am
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At extracta shop other day. They have brought out a new model.
Extracta Turbo ?
Anyone got one, reviews etc.
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At extracta shop other day. They have brought out a new model.
Extracta Turbo ?
Anyone got one, reviews etc.
If you've seen it you know more than most ..... is it a new body , or new internals ?
Is it an orange excel with turbo sticker ?
no update to website anyway .
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From what ive seen its an orange excel with a turbo sticker added :P
Steve
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Only come in yellow, Does come wi a new sticka :D
Body being modified slightly to accomadate new vacs. still fibre glass.
New 2 x 8.7 vacs, with speed accelerator. (hence slight body modification).
Still weigh the same as old xl.
super quite.
still the same 100psi shurflo pump.
Still have all that unnecessary heavy chrome plated bars/nuts/bolts.
£2450 + vat.
Thats all i know, apperently not listed on web due to can,t keep up wi current demand. 3-4 week order time.
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Only come in yellow, Does come wi a new sticka :D
Body being modified slightly to accomadate new vacs. still fibre glass.
New 2 x 8.7 vacs, with speed accelerator. (hence slight body modification).
Still weigh the same as old xl.
super quite.
still the same 100psi shurflo pump.
Still have all that unnecessary heavy chrome plated bars/nuts/bolts.
£2450 + vat.
Thats all i know, apperently not listed on web due to can,t keep up wi current demand. 3-4 week order time.
Interesting ... and just shows that many buyers probably dont even frequent these boards . The new 8.4 vacs should work very well , although i'd have put them in series i'l bet extracta have them in parallel and still with the 1.5 hose . Its a cleaning philosophy they stick with i suppose , low psi coupled with the vibrating brush can give great results . Is still a high quality product , with all those dials and gauges , and like u say no compromise with quality metal bits etc .... i quite like the fold over metal handle .
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Only come in yellow, Does come wi a new sticka :D
Body being modified slightly to accomadate new vacs. still fibre glass.
New 2 x 8.7 vacs, with speed accelerator. (hence slight body modification).
Still weigh the same as old xl.
super quite.
still the same 100psi shurflo pump.
Still have all that unnecessary heavy chrome plated bars/nuts/bolts.
£2450 + vat.
Thats all i know, apperently not listed on web due to can,t keep up wi current demand. 3-4 week order time.
Interesting ... and just shows that many buyers probably dont even frequent these boards . The new 8.4 vacs should work very well , although i'd have put them in series i'l bet extracta have them in parallel and still with the 1.5 hose . Its a cleaning philosophy they stick with i suppose , low psi coupled with the vibrating brush can give great results . Is still a high quality product , with all those dials and gauges , and like u say no compromise with quality metal bits etc .... i quite like the fold over metal handle .
8.7 vacs. hate all the chrome bars levers nuts/bolts, heavy and unnecassery. my opinion. fibre glass body, easily repairable , but dated. pump should have a little more should you need it.
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Only come in yellow, Does come wi a new sticka :D
Body being modified slightly to accomadate new vacs. still fibre glass.
New 2 x 8.7 vacs, with speed accelerator. (hence slight body modification).
Still weigh the same as old xl.
super quite.
still the same 100psi shurflo pump.
Still have all that unnecessary heavy chrome plated bars/nuts/bolts.
£2450 + vat.
Thats all i know, apperently not listed on web due to can,t keep up wi current demand. 3-4 week order time.
Interesting ... and just shows that many buyers probably dont even frequent these boards . The new 8.4 vacs should work very well , although i'd have put them in series i'l bet extracta have them in parallel and still with the 1.5 hose . Its a cleaning philosophy they stick with i suppose , low psi coupled with the vibrating brush can give great results . Is still a high quality product , with all those dials and gauges , and like u say no compromise with quality metal bits etc .... i quite like the fold over metal handle .
8.7 vacs. hate all the chrome bars levers nuts/bolts, heavy and unnecassery. my opinion. fibre glass body, easily repairable , but dated. pump should have a little more should you need it.
Trust me 8.4 vacs :) If they are are calling them 8.7's its because they want customers to come back and buy them there ... instead of googling 8.4 lamb ametek .
I think they call 7.2's 7.4's for the same reason .
I would love to know what they will charge for a replacement 8.4 ! $$$
Yes i know its dated ... but still well made and some people are still buying so they are happy enough i suppose .
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ill take your word on the vacs. first question i did ask is what do these 8.7 (8.4) vacs cost to renew, told nearly same as old 7.2 lamb amatek ?. ??? ???
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Only come in yellow, Does come wi a new sticka :D
Body being modified slightly to accomadate new vacs. still fibre glass.
New 2 x 8.7 vacs, with speed accelerator. (hence slight body modification).
Still weigh the same as old xl.
2'' Hose, these machines are good, really good.
super quite.
still the same 100psi shurflo pump.
Still have all that unnecessary heavy chrome plated bars/nuts/bolts.
£2450 + vat.
Thats all i know, apperently not listed on web due to can,t keep up wi current demand. 3-4 week order time.
Interesting ... and just shows that many buyers probably dont even frequent these boards . The new 8.4 vacs should work very well , although i'd have put them in series i'l bet extracta have them in parallel and still with the 1.5 hose . Its a cleaning philosophy they stick with i suppose , low psi coupled with the vibrating brush can give great results . Is still a high quality product , with all those dials and gauges , and like u say no compromise with quality metal bits etc .... i quite like the fold over metal handle .
8.7 vacs. hate all the chrome bars levers nuts/bolts, heavy and unnecassery. my opinion. fibre glass body, easily repairable , but dated. pump should have a little more should you need it.
Trust me 8.4 vacs :) If they are are calling them 8.7's its because they want customers to come back and buy them there ... instead of googling 8.4 lamb ametek .
I think they call 7.2's 7.4's for the same reason .
I would love to know what they will charge for a replacement 8.4 ! $$$
Yes i know its dated ... but still well made and some people are still buying so they are happy enough i suppose .
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When John at Extracta told me about them a couple of months ago he said the vac motors were 8.4".
I asked him to send me a machine but sadly they didn't have one readily available at that time & since I needed one quick I bought the Enforcer.
To be honest ( to me ) the Exel's look better than the new root moulded machines and they are certainly easier to get up stairs etc.
I do agree they could do with a bigger pump though.
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They do come in orange as well as Ive seen one ;D
Steve
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2'' hoses, these machines are really good, a couple of lads in Ireland have had them nearly a year, I also know they have been secretly tested in industry over here for about 18 months ;)
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They are only being produced in yellow for the launch, however there are a small number of orange ones.
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2'' hoses, these machines are really good, a couple of lads in Ireland have had them nearly a year, I also know they have been secretly tested in industry over here for about 18 months ;)
2" hoses ! that must be 'speed accelerator' mod mentioned above
So Extracta might just have the most powerfull twinvac machine ! :)
I cant see them ditching the 3kw immersion so they must have two 8.4s on one cord ?
Might be decent ....you could always upgrade the pump easily enough .
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Its about time they updated the machine !
They do last though, although i replaced the 7.2 vacs with 5.4 as they were going all the time and costing a small fortune.
Never noticed any difference in performance !
Steve
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2'' hoses, these machines are really good, a couple of lads in Ireland have had them nearly a year, I also know they have been secretly tested in industry over here for about 18 months ;)
2" hoses ! that must be 'speed accelerator' mod mentioned above
So Extracta might just have the most powerfull twinvac machine ! :)
I cant see them ditching the 3kw immersion so they must have two 8.4s on one cord ?
Might be decent ....you could always upgrade the pump easily enough .
Correct John.
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You can just see one to the left in this ebay add pic
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/carpet-cleaning-machine-Extracta-Exel-twin-vac-/190921288724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c73cbac14
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The difference in performance between the 8.4 and 6.6.
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/Product%20Bulletin/122178-18.pdf
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/Product%20Bulletin/122236-18.pdf
The 8.4 has more lift ... a little more CFM , over all more airwatts .
And like its 6.6 brother it has recessed bearings and moisture protection .
The 8.4 also draws a little less current ... and as Extacta have shown , allows two motors to be placed on one cord ... which allows 3kw heat on cord two .
This info is especially for any cleantalk members who read here .
Once again the shills are lying to you . :)
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The moisture protector didn't help when I had a Jaguar I still managed to melt six vacume motors in as many months! Iv'e had my new Scorpion now well over a year without the slightest problem! If I hadn't treated the machine very well as the supplier wanted you to believe I would of had the same problems !
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The moisture protector didn't help when I had a Jaguar I still managed to melt six vacume motors in as many months! Iv'e had my new Scorpion now well over a year without the slightest problem! If I hadn't treated the machine very well as the supplier wanted you to believe I would of had the same problems !
Stuart ...
I only mentioned the moisture protection because one of the CT shills said the 8.4 was for dry use only .
From what I've heard the 6.6 blowing was not related to moisture ingress although that is a factor with the machine you mention . I 'v have heard a more convincing theory on the cause of vacs blowing and i believe some of the better manufactures may have it under control now ... but it was not your fault or anything to do with the user .
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Its funny how suppliers will always blame vac motor failure on you as if there couldnt possibly be another reason ::)roll
i did have this problem with extracta a few years ago and when I changed to the 5.4 motors never had the same problem after that !
I'm wary now of the bigger vacs as I think they just dont last as long as they should !
Steve
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Its about time they updated the machine !
They do last though, although i replaced the 7.2 vacs with 5.4 as they were going all the time and costing a small fortune.
Never noticed any difference in performance !
Steve
feel as if were forever re-newing vacs in ours, more often vac 1 ?, :-\
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Although they look a little dated, they do look a very strong robust machine, good build quality.
A car wash I pass regularly has been using 1 for as long as I can remember,
for the last 3 years it has only had 3 wheels on it, looks like it is on its last legs, but still going strong. Not owned one so cant comment more
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We were replacing the big vacs at least every 6 months, one actually lasted 2 months.
With the smaller vacs they've lasted well over a year .
Steve
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I used to get about 300 hours out of them.
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Well hopefully Extracta have totally revised the Excels plumbing because it will see a huge increase in airflow and potential tank turbulence with the 8.4 motors .
Anyone reading ' the other channels ' ' discussion ' on the 8.4 Excel will have read the attempt to discredit the 8.4 by four individuals who are in some way financially associated with board .
One claimed the 8.4 was old technology .... false
Another claimed the 8.4 was for dry use only ... false
And the other two claimed it had weak suction compared to the 6.6 ... false
ED.Valentine claimed the 8.4 had only 115" H2o lift compared to 133.9 for the 6.6 .
This is quote from TMF a couple of weeks ago ..
"Just started up my first 8.4 today. Don't have what I need to measure cfms but
we all know that the 8.4 2 stage provides over 140 cfms. What surprised the
heck out of me was getting 145" h2o. "
The quote is by Jan Sullins ... Ed .Vs USA distributor , one his testers ... and the guy who found the 6.6 motor for ED in the first place .
Another tactic by ED.V is to try and claim a distinction between the 120v motors and the 230v motors performance ... he has used this to try and explain the high CFM claims by solutions for Jag compared to the USA measurments . Ameteks data clearly shows no performance distinction between the two voltages ... and not only that but the 133.9 figure he claimed they measured for the 6.6 is exactly what Ametek shows on its 6.6 data sheet .
In any case the chance of getting 133.9 exactly the same as a random Ametek lab test is slim even if he he did have a digital lift gauge .
I would wager that he never even held a 230v 8.4 in his hand let alone test it ...
These individuals will say anything to try and shift there own product and discredit the other manufactures .
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Everything is down to what they or we think, nobody has ever done a like for like test or put real world numbers for each machine in front of us ATM its the balancing of cfm to lift which is more real IMO I mean is there a true test anyway? If you are mixing the two how can you say that one is better than the other?
Shaun
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"I used to get about 300 hours out of them."
Thats about 3 - 4 months then :)
Steve
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Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?
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Everything is down to what they or we think, nobody has ever done a like for like test or put real world numbers for each machine in front of us ATM its the balancing of cfm to lift which is more real IMO I mean is there a true test anyway? If you are mixing the two how can you say that one is better than the other?
Shaun
Yes , but we can draw a conclusion based on the provided test specs by Ametek and the data given by those individuals who have tested the 8.4 on the USA boards and decide if there is then any credence to an extremely low lift claim provided by an individual who is know on both sides of the Atlantic for providing fudged and misleading figures .
Ameteks 240v specs show that 8.4 has 145" lift ( look at the bottom line on the h20 .... 145 @ 00)
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/Product%20Bulletin/122178-18.pdf
Then read the reported test figures on the USA boards ... from as mentioned eg Jan Sullins (144) ... Jamie fabara ( 144) ...
Then try and make sence of a claim by ED.V for 115 " ... i just dosn't make sense
and i suggest its pulled out of his a$$ .
And as for me claiming that he cant be relied on for figures ...
Heres a ramdom discussion that backs up my claim .
http://tiny.cc/k8mu4w
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The market for machines must be a lot bigger than many of us realise.
If they can still sell machines with 100psi pumps somebody must be buying them
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Who do you think sells the most ?
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I guess the only honest appraisal would be if a manufacturer test against their own machine 2x 6.6 vacs against 2 x 8.4 there would be no liable cases that way ;D
Shaun
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"Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?"
Yes Steve It was, what were you doing on Portland, nobody from the outside world goes there ;D
Steve
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I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life
its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks ;D cleaned the car with it yesterday
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I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life
its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks ;D cleaned the car with it yesterday
:o :o my main exel will eat a vac in 8 to 12 mth average, pump a little longer , gain 2/3 mths with re newing pump bushes. once fitted vac 1 twice recently within 6 weeks ???.
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"Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?"
Yes Steve It was, what were you doing on Portland, nobody from the outside world goes there ;D
Steve
Fishing and camping just down the road love Portland great view at the top nice fish restaurant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AgCtprDYY
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Yep spent many hours fishing on chesil beach, if you went to the crab house it's fantastic if you're a fish lover esp the lobster !
Steve
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I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life
its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks ;D cleaned the car with it yesterday
:o :o my main exel will eat a vac in 8 to 12 mth average, pump a little longer , gain 2/3 mths with re newing pump bushes. once fitted vac 1 twice recently within 6 weeks ???.
really???? what you doing with them ?? I always leave two cups of water in the tanks so the pumps never run dry , also I don't plonk the hand tool in the clean tank to remove the water as it pulls themotors to bits a take my time sucking water and air to remove it alittle tip learnt from my farther he always said let the vac motor breath noting works with out air
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Well i do have an operator thats being wi us a while, his knick name is BAM BAM ::)roll. we always remove all but a little water in solution tank. ive never used hand tool to remove water from solution tank ever, also havent ever rooled hoses/hand tool into solution tank as some people do. i can be held responsible for drawing clean tank water without letting air into hose. but as for 2 x vacs going bang within 6 weeks ? cant explain. first time in 12years ive experienced this mind, but my wallet was wounded. fitted vacs correctly, brother in law pat tested for me. blank faces from extracta, from one of the owners >:(.
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Well i do have an operator thats being wi us a while, his knick name is BAM BAM ::)roll. we always remove all but a little water in solution tank. ive never used hand tool to remove water from solution tank ever, also havent ever rooled hoses/hand tool into solution tank as some people do. i can be held responsible for drawing clean tank water without letting air into hose. but as for 2 x vacs going bang within 6 weeks ? cant explain. first time in 12years ive experienced this mind, but my wallet was wounded. fitted vacs correctly, brother in law pat tested for me. blank faces from extracta, from one of the owners >:(.
wow ive havnt been in extracta since 2007 i realy do miss the place , brain i found was easyer to deal with and john was a funny guy , always had a story to tell from all the years gone buy to share with you ;D
got to say without these to guys help i wouldn't of made the money i did running 6 portys at one stage they always helped out when a unit went down