Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darren O on October 02, 2013, 01:12:05 pm
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Just paid about £430 for this hand tool used it today for the first time wasn't that impressed to be honest ended up finishing up using my CFR.The last time I had this feeling was when I wasted over £500 on a Wonder Wand.
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Thats the problem with handtools Darren they are a personal choice. Allways best if you can borrow one first to try.
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I did not like sapphire when I tried it, somethimes you need to clean deeper and this tool wont let you that
also prefer cfr as it is also perfect for car valeting
some likes cfr, some sapphire and some prefer to have them both for different jobs
me, I would not spend extra money for sapphire when having cfr already
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Iam actually think of selling it John even though ive only used it once that's how much I don't fancy it.
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Radek the only thing I liked about it was the size of the head.
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The Sapphire is IMO easily the best upholstery tool on the market today regardless if it is normal or deep cleaning. You must be using it wrong
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Simon your opinion dosent mean much to me to be honest.
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Fair enough ;D
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I couldn't live with the Sapphire alone either , but its worth having on the van , its a joy to use when when the job is suitable . But its not so good on curved areas ,sharp angles ,crevices , buttons , piping , etc and if its really dirty iv found it even after good preparation it would take about 10 passes to equal one or two on my other main tool , a metal enclosed spray out tool , never had a CFR would like to try one though .
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its not so good on curved areas ,sharp angles ,crevices , buttons , piping , etc
I don't recognise any of the above as being a problem with the sapphire. I think if you are changing from a conventional tool then you will find it different but when you get used to it you probably wouldn't swap it. We regularly use the SS tool to clean extremely dirty and challenging upholstery on ferries, in fact, we haven't come across a piece of furniture we can't clean with it, but any upholstery tool is only supposed to be removing pre-loosened soil, so if you are having to make multiple passes to get something clean you've done something wrong.
Simon
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Had mine a while now. Cfr sits on the van never getting used.
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its not so good on curved areas ,sharp angles ,crevices , buttons , piping , etc
I don't recognise any of the above as being a problem with the sapphire. I think if you are changing from a conventional tool then you will find it different but when you get used to it you probably wouldn't swap it. We regularly use the SS tool to clean extremely dirty and challenging upholstery on ferries, in fact, we haven't come across a piece of furniture we can't clean with it, but any upholstery tool is only supposed to be removing pre-loosened soil, so if you are having to make multiple passes to get something clean you've done something wrong.
Simon
I've had plenty of time to get used to it , that 'putting you finger over the vac slot method ' is just an excuse for the limitations of the design . :)
I would use anything that makes the job easier and i don't find it the fastest tool to get the desired result in every situation . But i would defiantly keep it .
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that 'putting you finger over the vac slot method ' is just an excuse for the limitations of the design .
You have to use that technique with every tool where the fabric you're cleaning is thinner than the width of the tool. :o
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that 'putting you finger over the vac slot method ' is just an excuse for the limitations of the design .
You have to use that technique with every tool where the fabric you're cleaning is thinner than the width of the tool. :o
You can also narrow the tool width by holding it a sideways angle .
or in certain cases like the front of certain armrests the open hose cuff will make better contact than a sapphire anyway .
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I like the Drimaster.
Is the CFR the same principle as the DM as in two vac slots and a jet between?
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I never got on with the sapphire I moved back to the cfr IMO its more precise you can clean edges, corners and rounded bits didn't feel you could with the sapphire and the build quality was shoddy but again IMO I'd say it is made for a truckmount not a porty.
Shaun
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Sapphire at work on some filthy upholstery. Piece of cake.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1380737689_Sapphire.jpg)
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But you should be able to do that with any upholstery tool providing you've done your preparation work properly its the ergonomics of it, in theory it is easy to use but I thought the way it missed smaller areas was open to me leaving nooks and crannies uncleaned, the horses for courses comes in to play here.
Shaun
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Tools, it's how you use'em ;D
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I have 5 different uph tools to choose from, I use the sapphire for about 80% of my work.
Uph tools are like everything else, good to the individual user that's why there are so many choices, it's very similar with wands, chems etc.
No biggy guys just try them all till you get the one suites you best. ;)
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I have a CFR tool both 3 and 5" with 0.1 and 0.2 nozzles this is a very good tool... versatile
Also have a 5" enclosed tool which i really like and a 3" version complete with whip... use these a lot especially on car interiors... the jet shares the vac slot so you can easily clean corners.
CFR in action http://youtu.be/YHyHndrwXmg
Enclosed tool in action http://youtu.be/BfPiUuC1_j8
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With a few design changes the CFR tool could be the best tool ever.
But until then its the best Ive tried.
Mark
PS. havent tried the saphire yet.
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Will give it another try tomorrow on a 2 seater but if I don't think its as good as my CFR will probably sell it as I already have a Prochem and Chemspec Low Moisture Upholstery Tool don't see the need for 4 upholstery tools.
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Darren, are you truckmount
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Both
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If you haven't used a jetless upholstery tool before it can take a bit of getting used to.
The main difference is that if you press the trigger with the tool off the fabric the solution will be sucked straight up the vac slots and that is the key to getting the flow setup properly. Ideally when holding it in front you and press the trigger you should see solution coming out of the slots and then being sucked into the tool. There shouldn't be solution firing out beyond the vac slots, so just trim it up and away you go.
Simon
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What pressure do you set your beast to Simon when using this tool or is this irrelevant ?
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Used it again this morning felt it worked better probably needs used a few times before I could make a proper judgement on it.
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What pressure do you set your beast to Simon when using this tool or is this irrelevant ?
Hi Russ,
Doesn't really matter as you can trim the flow at the tool. Better to have a higher pressure at the machine (350 ish) which gives you more options for the actual flow you require for a particular type of fabric.
Also work superbly well on portables as it can be use in trigger mode which unlike the Dm doesn't drain your tank.
Simon
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If anybody is interested in buying a Saphire Upholstery Tool let me no its about 2 weeks old bought from Cleansmart got invoice used twice all serious offers considered COST £430 can email me at odnndar@aol.com
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Hi let me know how much you want for it including postage.
Cheers.
Sales@accleaningservices.co.uk
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If it's in like new condition won't Matt take it back minus a fee?
In reality who on here is going to give you a figure near what you paid for it mate...?
I would keep it and buy a second hand CFR tool
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Provisionally sold now.Russ never thought about Matt a Cleansmart ive took a bit of a hit in the pocket but it would of ended up lying in the back of van.
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Did Jim Neal buy it.
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I haven't got a saphire...
But I thought the key advantage to this tool was that it was impossible to over-wet fabric, unlike all other hand tools.
Which makes it much safer to use in upholstery cleaning.
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I haven't got a saphire...
But I thought the key advantage to this tool was that it was impossible to over-wet fabric, unlike all other hand tools.
Which makes it much safer to use in upholstery cleaning.
the same with cfr if you use it properly
but somethimes you need to over-wet and get deeper what cfr can do good enough
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I haven't got a saphire...
But I thought the key advantage to this tool was that it was impossible to over-wet fabric, unlike all other hand tools.
Which makes it much safer to use in upholstery cleaning.
the same with cfr if you use it properly
but somethimes you need to over-wet and get deeper what cfr can do good enough
Yep, that's my understanding too (I've no experience of either though)...
But the sapphire can be held over an area, and left to run as long as you like (i.e. really flushing out a stain) with no danger of getting the backing overwet.
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Overwetting... this is something i just dont get... if you have already pre sprayed fabric then its wet, all the tool is doing is rinsing an already wet piece of fabric?
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I haven't got a saphire...
But I thought the key advantage to this tool was that it was impossible to over-wet fabric, unlike all other hand tools.
Which makes it much safer to use in upholstery cleaning.
the same with cfr if you use it properly
but somethimes you need to over-wet and get deeper what cfr can do good enough
Radek,
If you're having to over wet fabric to get it clean it means you haven't released the soil from the fabric with your pre-spray, which may be the problem people who can't get on with the sapphire encounter. All any tool does is rinse off pre-loosened soil.
Simon
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I mean that you need to get to the cusion somethimes as well, as the problem is not only with the dirty fabric,
over-wetting might be the wrong word here, do not know :)