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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Shaun_Ashmore on September 26, 2013, 10:27:11 pm
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I was looking on matts site and was quite amazed at the new products which he is entering onto the market they do look very impressive there's an SPM style micro splitter with energiser and other oxygen based reducers one thing though that I saw as a great addition was his booster box with a 6.6 vac motor but what I could believe was that its situated underneath the dump valve!
Some great stuff worth a look at the newsletter, I wonder who will bring out the first triple vac 6.6 lol
Shaun
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I think it just hooks on there for easy transport to the site , then you would leave it alongside the machine .
You mean an internal triple vac 6.6 , they are unlikely to build one for sale if manufactures have to stick to 13amp per cord .
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I think it just hooks on there for easy transport to the site , then you would leave it alongside the machine .
You mean an internal triple vac 6.6 , they are unlikely to build one for sale if manufactures have to stick to 13amp per cord .
No maufacture as far as I am aware apart from Cleanrite, have CE approval on their machine, so what stops them from putting 2 cables on their machine
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I think it just hooks on there for easy transport to the site , then you would leave it alongside the machine .
You mean an internal triple vac 6.6 , they are unlikely to build one for sale if manufactures have to stick to 13amp per cord .
No maufacture as far as I am aware apart from Cleanrite, have CE approval on their machine, so what stops them from putting 2 cables on their machine
In the case of a triple vac 6.6 it would be a two cord , but cord one would have two vacs on it exceeding 13amps ( each 6.6 draws about 7.9max)
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I guess it's about pushing the boundaries or robbing Peter to pay Paul, I'm sure that John mentioned that the bigger 8.4 motor uses less amps but does make the same or more difference? Didn't the 7.2 motor create less cfm than the 5.7's?
Shaun
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Vernon, every machine has to have CE certification otherwise it is illegal to sell it.
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The 8.4 has about 690 airwatts ( 640 for the 6.6 ) , 8.4 draws about 7amps max . I would certainly put two on cord but im not sure if manufactures are allowed to go overcurrent . Size and cost of the 8.4 might be a restriction also .
The Electro 5.7s are are a much easier fit and probably better value .
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I've been using micro-X for a couple of months now and have been pleased with results, especially EOT's
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I think the booster pulls through the exhaust the same as ashbys booster would be better inline so you could add it to the storm
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I think the booster pulls through the exhaust the same as ashbys booster would be better inline so you could add it to the storm
I dont think it pulls through the exhaust jim , its says parallel boost . It must plug into that covered port on the back . chances are u can add it to the storm provided it had the correct connection port .
But i think its intended for the single cord parallel pro model ...
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The port goes directly into the vac chamber below the stack, i've used my alltec pro in this way on the storm, just to see what it does. Airflow is excellent but it's cumbersome unless van mounted. The booster pod solves that problem with it hooking on the back. Nice.
John Not technically minded but if you had a airflex pro set up in series and added the pod what sort of figures would you get?
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The port goes directly into the vac chamber below the stack, i've used my alltec pro in this way on the storm, just to see what it does. Airflow is excellent but it's cumbersome unless van mounted. The booster pod solves that problem with it hooking on the back. Nice.
John Not technically minded but if you had a airflex pro set up in series and added the pod what sort of figures would you get?
I couldn't put a figure on that but my understanding would be that the booster would then act as a hole in the vacuum system reducing system lift ... you would need to add a series booster to series pro custom ,ideally using the same motors. then you maintain lift and increase airflow , great performance .
Mytee make a suitable booster for that , its not on woodbridges site but could be ordered i suppose . ( can also be used inline )
http://www.mytee.com/products/7300-s-air-hog-plus-vacuum-booster/#.UkUyYdLrxHh
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Just had a browse and see that they have a new product called Blast X.
A high alkaline detergent pre spray.
Has anyone used this - I presume its a competitor to the likes of Powerburst?
I have used Micro X and had good results recently.Used it to experiment on a real minger on Tuesday,sprayed and agitated and then misted with Orange X before extraction.Came up great.
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Vernon, every machine has to have CE certification otherwise it is illegal to sell it.
Hi John
There is a diffrence between a machine having CE aproval and a machine being self certified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking
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Yep but self certified doesn't mean it can be a pile of crap or dangerous. It has to comply with ce regulations. More so in our industry where you mixing water and electricity. We had the Prowlers certified, cost 800 quid. They complied with all USA regs but still needed some slight mods to comply with EU.
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Did you have them CE certified? If so what is the certification number, we can pull up the information from the website, this would be a big selling point, as we went to have a machine CE approved and cost were in excess of £50,000
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Vernon, think someone was pulling your p isser.
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The new Extracta apparently has twin 8.4's.
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Vernon, think someone was pulling your p isser.
That would be Billy Russell ;D
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The new Extracta apparently has twin 8.4's.
For real !!! ? Never thought i'd see the day ! Imagine if Extracta has the most powerful porty .. :)
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The new Extracta apparently has twin 8.4's.
Can you run it from the van?
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I suppose you can, if the vans in the room being cleaned.
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I suppose you can, if the vans in the room being cleaned.
Glynn , did you say you have both a storm and an Enforcer ... two very different vac systems , which do rate the most for performance or is there much in it ..
I know they don't compare to your TM !
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The Enforcer has the edge but they both feel like the Titan with the waste tank lid off.
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The Enforcer has the edge but they both feel like the Titan with the waste tank lid off.
Thats really interesting , thanks .
The series 5.7 Electros out performing the parallel 6.6 .
Would be good to have booster with another two of the same vacs in series to plug into the enforcer in parallel giving an airflow boost .
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Shaun
with regards to micro splitters its the lack of good marketing about them i don't understand, again its like the TM issue its a cleaners choice and not really about customers benefits. with many people suffering from asthma, soap allergies and perfume allergies are just two groups that would benefits.
I don't think I have ever seen Soap free marketing in a big way. it might just get a line on a page but not in any USP way
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My Alltec Express has exactly the same motors fitted as the Enforcer and its a beast... same performance at a fraction of the size, use it for those smaller jobs such as single rooms, arm chair and car upholstery... also dead handy when you are faced with stairs and no elevator.
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Found this on ken's site
http://morecfm.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=291
Shaun
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Larry Cobb as well
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=85&products_id=5103
Shaun
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Larry Cobb as well
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=85&products_id=5103
Shaun
:) Dont think you'll find any more 8.4 machines ... It looks really good in series for sure
Only issue is perhaps the cost (about £300 ! ) the weight and fitting size in some cases .
Ken harris measures 14.5HG and 123cfm for the series 6.6 .... the sandia optimizer also confirms 14.5 in series showing that its fairly low lift motor ...
Much better with the Electro setup used by Ashbys and others now ... more lift and almost as much CFM 17HG and 117cfm . And using the HD+SD motors they can easily put them on one cord with the pump ... allowing cord two for heat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgvS0xSeufQ
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So the 8.4 won't show significant difference compared to the electros ?
Nice video sells the system very well.
Shaun
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So the 8.4 won't show significant difference compared to the electros ?
Nice video sells the system very well.
Shaun
Well , i was saying that the HD+SD Electro setup would be better than a series 6.6 setup ans it has more lift and can go on one cord .
Two 8.4s would be better ... certainly than the electro HD+SD
but it might not be hugely better than two HD electros ... not too sure if you could put either pair on one cord ... well im sure you can but don't know if manufactures will ... both would be good in parallel also im sure .
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You would be just as well to fit Lamb 4 stage vacuums, I forget what the lift was now, but it was a lot better than the 3 stage by far
But they command a hefty price. But would fit without much modifications.
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You would be just as well to fit Lamb 4 stage vacuums, I forget what the lift was now, but it was a lot better than the 3 stage by far
But they command a hefty price. But would fit without much modifications.
Airflow is really low with the four stages , although it would be interesting to try combining it with other motors .
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Which would you prefer air flow or water lift, as you can always increase airflow.
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Which would you prefer air flow or water lift, as you can always increase airflow.
I know they will be related at the wand ... but generally both are desirable .
That why a motor like the the Electro ( would be 146" and 117cfm ) would be more desirable than you four stage ( 180" and 60cfm )
What have you in mind for increasing airflow while maintaining lift .
Easily done with a quad vac in series /parallel .
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Air flow is related to the size of your vacuum pipe in the dump tank and the pipe that come off your vacuums, if you change from 1-1/2 to 2" you increase your your air flow, but decrease the inches of water lift, but you must use 2" vacuum hose and a 2" wand. Every orifice must be increased, even the top of the vacuum motor.
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Air flow is related to the size of your vacuum pipe in the dump tank and the pipe that come off your vacuums, if you change from 1-1/2 to 2" you increase your your air flow, but decrease the inches of water lift, but you must use 2" vacuum hose and a 2" wand. Every orifice must be increased, even the top of the vacuum motor.
Yes .. but over the last few years 2" machine plumbing has become the norm on High end portables ... so its taken as a given than when discussing vacuum systems the machine have been optimized for airflow . Also Motor figures quoted are generally 2" for cfm and zero for lift .
An airflow optimized machine still wont give you more airflow than the chosen motor or configuration of motors used can produce .
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And then you get guys who by an 1-1/2 tube wand, instead of getting a 2" straight through wand, which will decrease the air flow, but increase the water lift.
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And then you get guys who by an 1-1/2 tube wand, instead of getting a 2" straight through wand, which will decrease the air flow, but increase the water lift.
By 'increase the lift ' do you mean increase the vacuum rise time ? lift would also also be determined by what the motors can produce . Put a lift gauge on a machine with 2" plumbing and to the same machine with 1 1/2 .. no difference in ultimate lift imo .
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And then you get guys who by an 1-1/2 tube wand, instead of getting a 2" straight through wand, which will decrease the air flow, but increase the water lift.
By 'increase the lift ' do you mean increase the vacuum rise time ? lift would also also be determined by what the motors can produce . Put a lift gauge on a machine with 2" plumbing and to the same machine with 1 1/2 .. no difference in ultimate lift imo .
I do not have a degree in quantum mechanics, but I have read up on the subject, water lift is exactly what is says, Its an old method of measuring, a pipe of a given size it attached to a vacuum, and its how far the vacuum can be lifted by the water. Now you can use a vacuum guage today. But I can guarantee you that of you have a 2" and 1-1/2" pipe its a physical impossibility to get more air through the 1-1/2 pipe than the 2" pipe, if you use the same parameters. And it also matters you hight above sea level.
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And then you get guys who by an 1-1/2 tube wand, instead of getting a 2" straight through wand, which will decrease the air flow, but increase the water lift.
By 'increase the lift ' do you mean increase the vacuum rise time ? lift would also also be determined by what the motors can produce . Put a lift gauge on a machine with 2" plumbing and to the same machine with 1 1/2 .. no difference in ultimate lift imo .
I do not have a degree in quantum mechanics, but I have read up on the subject, water lift is exactly what is says, Its an old method of measuring, a pipe of a given size it attached to a vacuum, and its how far the vacuum can be lifted by the water. Now you can use a vacuum guage today. But I can guarantee you that of you have a 2" and 1-1/2" pipe its a physical impossibility to get more air through the 1-1/2 pipe than the 2" pipe, if you use the same parameters. And it also matters you hight above sea level.
Im not sure what you're saying ... you seem to be saying that if you have a machine with 1.5" plumbing and for eg 25ft hose attached , lined up beside a machine with 2" plumbing and 25ft 2" hose ... and Put a suction gauge onto the end of each ... the 1.5" setup will give a higher lift reading ....
I dont think so :)
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Have an enforcer in parallel with a jaguar and an inline alltec express, upgraded to 4 stage motors and it might be as good as Glyn's titan on a 10ft hose run as long as its working below sea level in a house with a red front door.
I am off to bed had a long day.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
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And then you get guys who by an 1-1/2 tube wand, instead of getting a 2" straight through wand, which will decrease the air flow, but increase the water lift.
By 'increase the lift ' do you mean increase the vacuum rise time ? lift would also also be determined by what the motors can produce . Put a lift gauge on a machine with 2" plumbing and to the same machine with 1 1/2 .. no difference in ultimate lift imo .
Do you think?
or
Do you know?
As there is a diffrence...!!!
I do not have a degree in quantum mechanics, but I have read up on the subject, water lift is exactly what is says, Its an old method of measuring, a pipe of a given size it attached to a vacuum, and its how far the vacuum can be lifted by the water. Now you can use a vacuum guage today. But I can guarantee you that of you have a 2" and 1-1/2" pipe its a physical impossibility to get more air through the 1-1/2 pipe than the 2" pipe, if you use the same parameters. And it also matters you hight above sea level.
Im not sure what you're saying ... you seem to be saying that if you have a machine with 1.5" plumbing and for eg 25ft hose attached , lined up beside a machine with 2" plumbing and 25ft 2" hose ... and Put a suction gauge onto the end of each ... the 1.5" setup will give a higher lift reading ....
I dont think so :)
Do you thinks so?
or
Do you know?
As there is a diffrence between the 2 statments.