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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: KS Cleaning on September 25, 2013, 07:25:18 pm
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
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not noticed any difference on mine
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ks, I thought you were in fife? why you using RO or don't I get what you are talking about :-\
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
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ks, I thought you were in fife? why you using RO or don't I get what you are talking about :-\
I am Stu, a decided to go with the RO system when a got ma van mount, filters and resin last for ages wi the water up here.
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
Just put it in yesterday Alex, a bought it end of May. According to my invoice the code is FILTER-PLUS 20, description Fibredyne CFBC sediment/carbon pre filter
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ks, I thought you were in fife? why you using RO or don't I get what you are talking about :-\
I am Stu, a decided to go with the RO system when a got ma van mount, filters and resin last for ages wi the water up here.
yes I know, but with such low tds why bother with the extra hassle, just do di only, just my thoughts, each to their own
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ks, I thought you were in fife? why you using RO or don't I get what you are talking about :-\
I am Stu, a decided to go with the RO system when a got ma van mount, filters and resin last for ages wi the water up here.
yes I know, but with such low tds why bother with the extra hassle, just do di only, just my thoughts, each to their own
When a got ma system 2 n a half years ago a never done much research into what exactly a needed, a took the advice of pure freedom and in doin so maybe they decided on sellin me a system wi the biggest mark up ;D
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what is your tds?
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what is your tds?
102
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what is your tds?
102
really :o that is high stirling is like 26, mine is about 45, you are not that far away :-\
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what is your tds?
102
really :o that is high stirling is like 26, mine is about 45, you are not that far away :-\
Aye, it's a wee bit higher than a wis expectin it to be, maybe ma meters on the blink. a find it hard to get an accurate reading on running water but in still water it's 102..... On a side note do you know anythin about Falkirk juniors, we play them in 3 weeks time
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I tried a Fibredyne, Just binned it & now sticking to the cheap 5 micron white filters, changing weekly or sooner if required.
Your filter is starting to clog! which will eventually result in zero feed to the r/o as I found out recently. When investigating, we removed to feed to the membrane and almost completely black water was visible! I don't believe me produced more than 15k from it.
When purchasing the new membrane, i was chatting about the filter to the company i bought from, they did believe the stated figures and warned to be cautious, guess they knew something.
I'm now running at great production rates of 1000lt - 6/8 hrs.
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I tried a Fibredyne, Just binned it & now sticking to the cheap 5 micron white filters, changing weekly or sooner if required.
Your filter is starting to clog! which will eventually result in zero feed to the r/o as I found out recently. When investigating, we removed to feed to the membrane and almost completely black water was visible! I don't believe me produced more than 15k from it.
When purchasing the new membrane, i was chatting about the filter to the company i bought from, they did believe the stated figures and warned to be cautious, guess they knew something.
I'm now running at great production rates of 1000lt - 6/8 hrs.
Can I ask you how long the Fibredyne filter had been in when it started producing black water? :o
And was you using the CFBC FILTER or the CFB-PLUS FILTER?
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
Just put it in yesterday Alex, a bought it end of May. According to my invoice the code is FILTER-PLUS 20, description Fibredyne CFBC sediment/carbon pre filter
Did you buy it from us? Does not seem to be our product code. If it has the black ends then it is the CFBC which does have a more restrictive flow rate than the CFB-Plus (blue ends).
However if it is reducing the input pressure by 40psi then this does not sounds right. What is the comparative through flow rates (lpm) with this filter and your other filters?
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
Just put it in yesterday Alex, a bought it end of May. According to my invoice the code is FILTER-PLUS 20, description Fibredyne CFBC sediment/carbon pre filter
Did you buy it from us? Does not seem to be our product code. If it has the black ends then it is the CFBC which does have a more restrictive flow rate than the CFB-Plus (blue ends).
However if it is reducing the input pressure by 40psi then this does not sounds right. What is the comparative through flow rates (lpm) with this filter and your other filters?
Yes I bought it 22nd May Invoice No 672, I will take it back out later and have a look at the colour of the ends. I don't understand the last question Alex :-[
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
Just put it in yesterday Alex, a bought it end of May. According to my invoice the code is FILTER-PLUS 20, description Fibredyne CFBC sediment/carbon pre filter
Did you buy it from us? Does not seem to be our product code. If it has the black ends then it is the CFBC which does have a more restrictive flow rate than the CFB-Plus (blue ends).
However if it is reducing the input pressure by 40psi then this does not sounds right. What is the comparative through flow rates (lpm) with this filter and your other filters?
Yes I bought it 22nd May Invoice No 672, I will take it back out later and have a look at the colour of the ends. I don't understand the last question Alex :-[
I would need to know the change in flow rates through the pre-filters with the CFBC fitted and the standard filters fitted.
For example your water flow rate through the standard pre-filters (not through the RO) may be 6 lpm. What is the flow rate with both CFBC fitted instead?
To measure connect the pre-filter housing to the tap and disconnect from the RO and let the water flow go into a measuring jug. Time how long each takes to fill the jug to 2 litres.
This would give me an idea of what is the problem.
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I have just fitted the fibredyne CFBC filter to my pure freedom van mount. I use a booster pump and before I swapped to a single filter it used to run at 100 psi, now it struggles at about 60 psi. Are these fibredyne filters not compatible with booster pumps?
Is it the CFBC or the CFB-Plus filter you have?
How old is the filter?
Just put it in yesterday Alex, a bought it end of May. According to my invoice the code is FILTER-PLUS 20, description Fibredyne CFBC sediment/carbon pre filter
Did you buy it from us? Does not seem to be our product code. If it has the black ends then it is the CFBC which does have a more restrictive flow rate than the CFB-Plus (blue ends).
However if it is reducing the input pressure by 40psi then this does not sounds right. What is the comparative through flow rates (lpm) with this filter and your other filters?
Yes I bought it 22nd May Invoice No 672, I will take it back out later and have a look at the colour of the ends. I don't understand the last question Alex :-[
I would need to know the change in flow rates through the pre-filters with the CFBC fitted and the standard filters fitted.
For example your water flow rate through the standard pre-filters (not through the RO) may be 6 lpm. What is the flow rate with both CFBC fitted instead?
To measure connect the pre-filter housing to the tap and disconnect from the RO and let the water flow go into a measuring jug. Time how long each takes to fill the jug to 2 litres.
This would give me an idea of what is the problem.
Ah I get it now, I will do that this evening and get back to you.
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
Thank you for this. This works out at 8.5 lpm with the CFBC and 10.9lpm for the standard set-up.
I will have to check the specification charts and see if this drop is within the standard parameters.
When I said both I meant comparing both the standard and the Fibredyne - You are correct only one is needed.
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what is your tds?
102
really :o that is high stirling is like 26, mine is about 45, you are not that far away :-\
Aye, it's a wee bit higher than a wis expectin it to be, maybe ma meters on the blink. a find it hard to get an accurate reading on running water but in still water it's 102..... On a side note do you know anythin about Falkirk juniors, we play them in 3 weeks time
naw sorry, I didn't even know there was a Falkirk juniors ;D I will ask about though, camelon juniors yes but not falkirk
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
Thank you for this. This works out at 8.5 lpm with the CFBC and 10.9lpm for the standard set-up.
I will have to check the specification charts and see if this drop is within the standard parameters.
When I said both I meant comparing both the standard and the Fibredyne - You are correct only one is needed.
Thanks Alex, could you tell me what the lpm would be with the CFB-plus, based on the figures I have given you. Would I be right in saying the CFB-plus filters wouldn't have been available when I purchased my filter in May?
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Are these filters not up to job then or what? seems to be a lot of people having trouble with these. Ive got the plus one 10 inch bought from GAPS water its ok at the moment but i haven't put a lot of water through it as yet.
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Hi
I have always put a booster pump after the prefilters but before the .ro membranes is this what everyone does seems to get best flow rates
Oliver Collins
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what is your tds?
102
really :o that is high stirling is like 26, mine is about 45, you are not that far away :-\
Aye, it's a wee bit higher than a wis expectin it to be, maybe ma meters on the blink. a find it hard to get an accurate reading on running water but in still water it's 102..... On a side note do you know anythin about Falkirk juniors, we play them in 3 weeks time
naw sorry, I didn't even know there was a Falkirk juniors ;D I will ask about though, camelon juniors yes but not falkirk
Think they started up last season but played out of Grangemouth. Dinny mention Camelon to me, they knocked us out the Scottish last season :'(
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Hi
I have always put a booster pump after the prefilters but before the .ro membranes is this what everyone does seems to get best flow rates
Oliver Collins
Aye that's how mine is set up
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Are these filters not up to job then or what? seems to be a lot of people having trouble with these. Ive got the plus one 10 inch bought from GAPS water its ok at the moment but i haven't put a lot of water through it as yet.
Time will tell, in my case it is just a problem with slower production as I use a booster pump
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I tried a Fibredyne, Just binned it & now sticking to the cheap 5 micron white filters, changing weekly or sooner if required.
Your filter is starting to clog! which will eventually result in zero feed to the r/o as I found out recently. When investigating, we removed to feed to the membrane and almost completely black water was visible! I don't believe me produced more than 15k from it.
When purchasing the new membrane, i was chatting about the filter to the company i bought from, they did believe the stated figures and warned to be cautious, guess they knew something.
I'm now running at great production rates of 1000lt - 6/8 hrs.
Can I ask you how long the Fibredyne filter had been in when it started producing black water? :o
And was you using the CFBC FILTER or the CFB-PLUS FILTER?
To clarify,
NO black water got to the R/O, the water was visible when we removed to water feed to the R/O, but it was visibly black/ very dark grey. No damage appears to have occurred to the membrane as it's giving me 001 before resin.
Rob
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I tried a Fibredyne, Just binned it & now sticking to the cheap 5 micron white filters, changing weekly or sooner if required.
Your filter is starting to clog! which will eventually result in zero feed to the r/o as I found out recently. When investigating, we removed to feed to the membrane and almost completely black water was visible! I don't believe me produced more than 15k from it.
When purchasing the new membrane, i was chatting about the filter to the company i bought from, they did believe the stated figures and warned to be cautious, guess they knew something.
I'm now running at great production rates of 1000lt - 6/8 hrs.
Can I ask you how long the Fibredyne filter had been in when it started producing black water? :o
And was you using the CFBC FILTER or the CFB-PLUS FILTER?
To clarify,
NO black water got to the R/O, the water was visible when we removed to water feed to the R/O, but it was visibly black/ very dark grey. No damage appears to have occurred to the membrane as it's giving me 001 before resin.
Rob
That sounds really unusual Rob.
The only time I've ever seen greyish water come out of a pre-filter was very briefly when flushing through a new pre-filter set, as recommended by manufacturer before connecting to membrane.
I've only been using a fibredyne filter set-up since the beginning of August.
It's the CFB-PLUS FILTER that I am using from Gaps Water Treatment.
I did a new filter change on Monday of this week after using the filter for approximately 7 weeks. There were no problems to report with regard to a drop in production rates and the pressure gauges were still reading the same as when the filter was new. I am planning on changing the filter every 6-8 weeks mainly to try and minimise the risk of chlorine damaging the membrane.
As I say the used pre-filter I removed after 7 weeks seemed fine, a visible inspection showed no discolouration/staining or signs of the filter perishing/breaking down.
The new pre-filter was flushed through for 5 minutes first as recommended by the manufacturers instructions. The water came out clear with no signs of discoloured water.
So far everything with regard to the fibredyne filter set-up im using seems to be working as it should.
ps. For reference the pre-filter I am using is the Pentek CFB-PLUS 10 Carbon/Fiber Block Filter Cartridge
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
Thank you for this. This works out at 8.5 lpm with the CFBC and 10.9lpm for the standard set-up.
I will have to check the specification charts and see if this drop is within the standard parameters.
When I said both I meant comparing both the standard and the Fibredyne - You are correct only one is needed.
Thanks Alex, could you tell me what the lpm would be with the CFB-plus, based on the figures I have given you. Would I be right in saying the CFB-plus filters wouldn't have been available when I purchased my filter in May?
The flow rates of the CFB-Plus are higher, and you should expect to see a drop of only 5-10% from maximum. These were not available through us at the time you bought this one.
I have sent your case details on to the manufacturers representative in this country. They are sending out a replacement filter for you to try out in your system so that you can report back any changes that this may make.
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
Thank you for this. This works out at 8.5 lpm with the CFBC and 10.9lpm for the standard set-up.
I will have to check the specification charts and see if this drop is within the standard parameters.
When I said both I meant comparing both the standard and the Fibredyne - You are correct only one is needed.
Thanks Alex, could you tell me what the lpm would be with the CFB-plus, based on the figures I have given you. Would I be right in saying the CFB-plus filters wouldn't have been available when I purchased my filter in May?
The flow rates of the CFB-Plus are higher, and you should expect to see a drop of only 5-10% from maximum. These were not available through us at the time you bought this one.
I have sent your case details on to the manufacturers representative in this country. They are sending out a replacement filter for you to try out in your system so that you can report back any changes that this may make.
Hi Alex, that is much appreciated, you really do go the extra mile. With me using a booster pump would I not be better with the CFB-Plus to maximise production?
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You may well be but let's try the other type of filter they are sending out as this is another version entirely (still Fibredyne). But for future use the CFB-Plus would be what I would recommend.
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You may well be but let's try the other type of filter they are sending out as this is another version entirely (still Fibredyne). But for future use the CFB-Plus would be what I would recommend.
God stuff Alex, many thanks.
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That sounds really unusual Rob.
The only time I've ever seen greyish water come out of a pre-filter was very briefly when flushing through a new pre-filter set, as recommended by manufacturer before connecting to membrane.
I've only been using a fibredyne filter set-up since the beginning of August.
It's the CFB-PLUS FILTER that I am using from Gaps Water Treatment.
I did a new filter change on Monday of this week after using the filter for approximately 7 weeks. There were no problems to report with regard to a drop in production rates and the pressure gauges were still reading the same as when the filter was new. I am planning on changing the filter every 6-8 weeks mainly to try and minimise the risk of chlorine damaging the membrane.
As I say the used pre-filter I removed after 7 weeks seemed fine, a visible inspection showed no discolouration/staining or signs of the filter perishing/breaking down.
The new pre-filter was flushed through for 5 minutes first as recommended by the manufacturers instructions. The water came out clear with no signs of discoloured water.
So far everything with regard to the fibredyne filter set-up im using seems to be working as it should.
ps. For reference the pre-filter I am using is the Pentek CFB-PLUS 10 Carbon/Fiber Block Filter Cartridge
I am using the same one from the same supplier as you too (GAPS) ive had no problems or drops in pressure all seems to be ok. I will be also replacing the filter more often though it for the cost of them £11.00 i think its a good idea to replace more regularly cant do no harm
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That sounds really unusual Rob.
The only time I've ever seen greyish water come out of a pre-filter was very briefly when flushing through a new pre-filter set, as recommended by manufacturer before connecting to membrane.
I've only been using a fibredyne filter set-up since the beginning of August.
It's the CFB-PLUS FILTER that I am using from Gaps Water Treatment.
I did a new filter change on Monday of this week after using the filter for approximately 7 weeks. There were no problems to report with regard to a drop in production rates and the pressure gauges were still reading the same as when the filter was new. I am planning on changing the filter every 6-8 weeks mainly to try and minimise the risk of chlorine damaging the membrane.
As I say the used pre-filter I removed after 7 weeks seemed fine, a visible inspection showed no discolouration/staining or signs of the filter perishing/breaking down.
The new pre-filter was flushed through for 5 minutes first as recommended by the manufacturers instructions. The water came out clear with no signs of discoloured water.
So far everything with regard to the fibredyne filter set-up im using seems to be working as it should.
ps. For reference the pre-filter I am using is the Pentek CFB-PLUS 10 Carbon/Fiber Block Filter Cartridge
I am using the same one from the same supplier as you too (GAPS) ive had no problems or drops in pressure all seems to be ok. I will be also replacing the filter more often though it for the cost of them £11.00 i think its a good idea to replace more regularly cant do no harm
The postage with Gaps seems a bit steep if just buying 1 filter.
So I ordered 4 filters to make it worthwhile.
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can anyone make a video of this , i have 3 filters then the di.so just one of the new ones then the di.do i get rid of the other emtpy ones or just let them fill up with water.? :P :P :'(
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You can just let them fill up with water, or, you can take them off. If you have recently fitted the filter, I would keep them on just in case you have any issues. For example, you may live in a sediment rich water area and the filter may clog more rapidly, therefore, you may need to put in a sediment pre filter to slow this process down. My area water was so sediment rich that I had to revert back to my normal 3xprefilters because the Fibradine couldn't cope, even after I fitted a sediment filter.
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i think your write this single filter not working for me, back to the 3 filters i think.anybody else going back to the old filters.
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If your flow goes to a trickle and the ro is just not producing even half as much as it used to in 4-6wks of installing the Fibradine filter, chances are, the filter is getting clogged with sediment. Therefore, no good in your area.
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Nic,
I can't answer how unusual it may be, this was the first and last time I'll use one!
I had flushed it for a good while before connecting and I was running a sediment filter before it as well. The filter is now on a journey back to the supplier to be analised, so hopefully we'll hear something from them, which will be interesting as my set-up is 10 yrs + old and never had a problem before. My problem with the filter started after a cpl of weeks.
I don't believe I live in a rich sediment area, my tap water is around 130ppm.
I was using the cfb plus filter, I've now purchased 25 sed and 25 block carbon for £83 quid delivered, so not convinced that the fibredyne will offer a saving, but time will tell ;)
Rob.
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Interesting is that Rob. Where I live, the water tds is 70 - ish, which isn't much compared to some. However, it seems that the tds doesn't pose a problem with the filter but, the sediment density of the water!
I tried both types of Fibradine filters and had the same problem with both.
Gardiners were excellent in helping sorting the problem out by the way. No complaints there. The bottom line was, they are just not suitable for my water.
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Hi Alex, the filter has the black ends so must be the CFBC one. I done the test you suggested and it took 14 seconds to fill 2 litres with the fibredyde filter and 11 seconds with the standard filters. You asked the question " what is the flow rate with 'BOTH' CFBC filters fitted" I only have one, isn't it recommended to use only one of these filters?
Thank you for this. This works out at 8.5 lpm with the CFBC and 10.9lpm for the standard set-up.
I will have to check the specification charts and see if this drop is within the standard parameters.
When I said both I meant comparing both the standard and the Fibredyne - You are correct only one is needed.
Thanks Alex, could you tell me what the lpm would be with the CFB-plus, based on the figures I have given you. Would I be right in saying the CFB-plus filters wouldn't have been available when I purchased my filter in May?
The flow rates of the CFB-Plus are higher, and you should expect to see a drop of only 5-10% from maximum. These were not available through us at the time you bought this one.
I have sent your case details on to the manufacturers representative in this country. They are sending out a replacement filter for you to try out in your system so that you can report back any changes that this may make.
Hi Alex, just to let you know I have been away on holiday, I have got the replacement filters and will do the tests you suggested and get back to you with the results asap (prob the first rainy day which up here won't be far away) or next weekend