Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darran Pryce on September 25, 2013, 05:38:07 pm
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Is a lot better than clean talk. Clean talk is so bias and many of them are too up themselves.
Sorry, but I just had to say it :-)
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You'll be banned now. ;D
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Darren you must realise cleantalk is a sales platform for world of clean.
So does seem to lean towards there products. (Cant say if there good or not dont use them).
I do frequent the forum occasionaly. and find they are a very helpful bunch to each other.
especially if you use there products, Help is at hand via a good forum.
As long as you take it for what it is
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They can ban me mate.. I don't go on it anyway. Bottom line is if they or anyone else can't take it on the chin, rough with the smooth, then they shouldn't be in business. Cleanitup is a lot better. That's my experience :-)
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Cleantalk was owned many years ago by a couple of free thinking guys to whom I cannot remember.
It was very popular forum whith many subscribers and was not moderated.
It was taken over by Nick at Solutions. Since then it seems to have become somewhat of a semi closed community who are, or seem dedicated to the products that Solutions supply.
In effect if someone comes up with a problem, there are many who will revert to recommending Solutions products only.
Also it seems that if another product is recommended such as Prochem, it will be omitted from the post by default.
The forum therefore is highly moderated and posted by people who seem somewhat brainwashed.
It is certainly not now the free thinking and unbiased forum it once was and under a certain amount of control by the owner who seems to have a small amount of sheep following him.
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Cleantalk was owned many years ago by a couple of free thinking guys to whom I cannot remember.
It was very popular forum whith many subscribers and was not moderated.
It was taken over by Nick at Solutions. Since then it seems to have become somewhat of a semi closed community who are, or seem dedicated to the products that Solutions supply.
In effect if someone comes up with a problem, there are many who will revert to recommending Solutions products only.
Also it seems that if another product is recommended such as Prochem, it will be omitted from the post by default.
The forum therefore is highly moderated and posted by people who seem somewhat brainwashed.
It is certainly not now the free thinking and unbiased forum it once was and under a certain amount of control by the owner who seems to have a small amount of sheep following him.
Mike your so right, this is what I have experienced. So, so bias and wrong. I stopped using it a few weeks ago and for all of the above stated. I got recommended this site which is far more professional.
Even the way one of the forum mods on the other site talks to people is wrong.
#Happytobehere
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They can ban me mate.. I don't go on it anyway. Bottom line is if they or anyone else can't take it on the chin, rough with the smooth, then they shouldn't be in business. Cleanitup is a lot better. That's my experience :-)
Hi mate, yes I was aware of it.
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Cleantalk's a bit of a laugh - I can't help promoting non-WoC products when I get on it - trouble is the site works very well - it's easy to put up pictures, watch threads, etc - technically it's a far better site than this one, but the bias is cringe-worthy.
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They can ban me mate.. I don't go on it anyway. Bottom line is if they or anyone else can't take it on the chin, rough with the smooth, then they shouldn't be in business. Cleanitup is a lot better. That's my experience :-)
Hi mate, yes I was aware of it.
You're actually replying to your own post, pmsl. Do you have split personality or just short term memory?
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Cleantalk was owned many years ago by a couple of free thinking guys to whom I cannot remember.
It was very popular forum whith many subscribers and was not moderated.
Paul Elliot with another started Clean Talk, then he started Truckmounters Forum. The later forum has been run in the same style as when started, so thanks to Glynn and Simon.
David
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That's the joys of working on your own for too long, apparently I have a beautiful singing voice my alter ego says so often we sing duets in acapella.
Shaun
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Matthew was the other owner of cleantalk his surname escapes me think he was a window licker.
Shaun
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agree with what's being said, but this forum has its issues like not be able to be searched from outside. so you cant link into any posts. this is mad in a social world. so if i want to post on G+ i just get the log in. i know there are buttons but they are pointless if you have to log in. on clean talk they have their settings so you can read the post that come up in search.
As has been said this is an advantage as its about selling Nick's stuff. having said that this forum uses advertising and if I was one would not be happy that it was closed as this would limit the reach of my paid advert.
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Would you go on the Meguiars detailing forum and ask about
Autoglym products? I think not.
Use it for what it is a forum based on the products of the owner.
Of which I am perfectly happy
Cheers
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The difference is Craig, on the other site once you start talking about other products they get down graded, and your not liked. I have witnessed it first hand, it's so, so bias and other have seen it too.
It's called freedom of speech and everyone is entitled to talk about other products/have opinions without been looked down at. Prochem/Chespec and others spend millions in developing their products and are just as good as some other products sold by others!
If I go to Asda would I expect just to see Asda food.... They have a wide range of products/branded that others retailers sell too and their customers can talk about whatever they like.
On here it's not bias, we can talk about other products without upsetting anyone and not looked down upon, unless "some" of Solutions brainwashed individuals are on here too. But once again, its freedom to go on to whatever forum we like and have debates like this one and chatting about what we do and don't like, without worrying about getting banned! That's just childish in my eyes.
I'm probably banned on the other forum for speaking my mind, not going to lose any sleep over it.
Have a nice day.
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Cleantalk is owned by SOLUTIONS. I actually love most of their products and post freely on both forums.
Darran you really do have to understand that CT is a forum for SOLUTIONS USERS. Hence the reason you won't hear much about other products.
I do know that just the other day Ken Wainwright was openly talking to a member about a Prochem product so why do you have such issues?? We all know what the forum is and as long as you use it for it's worth then I see no problem really.
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Cleantalk was owned many years ago by a couple of free thinking guys to whom I cannot remember.
It was very popular forum whith many subscribers and was not moderated.
Paul Elliot with another started Clean Talk, then he started Truckmounters Forum. The later forum has been run in the same style as when started, so thanks to Glyn and Simon.
David
Wasn't he Mathew Taylor Dave ?.
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Darren you must realise cleantalk is a sales platform for world of clean.
So does seem to lean towards there products. (Cant say if there good or not dont use them).
I do frequent the forum occasionaly. and find they are a very helpful bunch to each other.
especially if you use there products, Help is at hand via a good forum.
As long as you take it for what it is
I got banned from there, recommending another company's products. As they log your ip on sign up I couldnt sign up again, So I harvested proxy's to block my ip and did multiple sign ups.
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Think Fran has a very valid and sensible point.Of course they push their products and why not ,I certainly would if it was my site .And I also saw that post Fran regarding Prochem ,I frequent the site and have found some very good information on there just like I do on here ,but I certainly dont come of the site starry eyed and wanting to worship the owner or their products .Like I posted once before ,I am an adult and make my own mind up about what I use or dont use ,and if you feel you are being brainwashed by reading a forum then in my opinion you have issues far more important than carpet cleaning .
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Think Fran has a very valid and sensible point.Of course they push their products and why not ,I certainly would if it was my site .And I also saw that post Fran regarding Prochem ,I frequent the site and have found some very good information on there just like I do on here ,but I certainly dont come of the site starry eyed and wanting to worship the owner or their products .Like I posted once before ,I am an adult and make my own mind up about what I use or dont use ,and if you feel you are being brainwashed by reading a forum then in my opinion you have issues far more important than carpet cleaning .
Funny.
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Darren you must realise cleantalk is a sales platform for world of clean.
So does seem to lean towards there products. (Cant say if there good or not dont use them).
I do frequent the forum occasionaly. and find they are a very helpful bunch to each other.
especially if you use there products, Help is at hand via a good forum.
As long as you take it for what it is
I got banned from there, recommending another company's products. As they log your ip on sign up I couldnt sign up again, So I harvested proxy's to block my ip and did multiple sign ups.
I understand. I know I was going to do the same, but can't be bothered. Won't lower my standards :-)
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By far, the most shocking thing about CT is that only really caters for grown ups.
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Wot yoo talkin about Gary ?? :-*
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This is the kind of topic that makes cleanitup look like screamitup. It serves no useful purpose and offers no questions, advice or discussions about carpet cleaning. There are many companies using cleaning products from different suppliers and it is all about having a choice. A lot of products achieve similar results regardless of who makes them. Cleaning forums are there to be used for information and there are some very experienced cleaners on both this site and the other one, it seems pointless to distance yourself from a site purely because they do not talk about other products.
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Here here Derek ,couldnt have put it better
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Wot yoo talkin about Gary ?? Kiss
Grin
Hector, I was trying to be very clever and make a subtle point (which was wasted!). Obviously, next time I won't bother to spend ages on a carefully crafted reply. ;D
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Good plan mate.... wasted on the plebs here..
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it seems pointless to distance yourself from a site purely because they do not talk about other products.
But are they allowed to talk about different products? ::)roll
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Yes they are Mike...
Jim Neal, who is a mod on the other channel regularly talks about and uses other products.. So does Ken Wainright and many others....
What they are not allowed to do is slate Solutions products without a good reason.
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ohhh this section is fun ;D
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And it is out of bounds to sweaty window lickers Stu.. :P :P
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And it is out of bounds to sweaty window lickers Stu.. :P :P
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ok I am going ;D just packing my bags and I will be off :P
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Bored now.... Heard it all before. Just make up your own minds and keep it in your own mind!!!!
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awe naw I am stuck here, where did the window section go :o HELLLLLLLLP hector
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look oot the windey an ye'll see it
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look oot the windey an ye'll see it
its fine panic over I can see the light :D the way ahead is clear, no more carpet munching to disturb my mind, think I may have PTSD now ;D
on a serious note it is good to see you lads talk as much rubbish as we do, catch yes all later if I ever fancy a career change
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This is the kind of topic that makes cleanitup look like screamitup. It serves no useful purpose and offers no questions, advice or discussions about carpet cleaning. There are many companies using cleaning products from different suppliers and it is all about having a choice. A lot of products achieve similar results regardless of who makes them. Cleaning forums are there to be used for information and there are some very experienced cleaners on both this site and the other one, it seems pointless to distance yourself from a site purely because they do not talk about other products.
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In my experience topics such as this increases the Cleantalk ratings as people go and have a look .
Look I have been able to type Cleantalk . Could someone return the favour and type Cleanitup without it being changed on Cleantalk I am not sure as there are so many myths.
My personal view is I have great respect for John Bolton , Nick and The Cleantalk team. I would also like to thank Paul Elliot the founder of Cleantalk as it inspired me.
I arrived here as I wondered where everybody from the early days of Cleantalk had gone and i found them here.
Derek Bolton was the original Moderator
There was also another spin off site where John Bolton was the moderator along with Ken I think
I think it was a sad day when The Forums declared war on one another. I do not want to go into when I think it happened but it was a lot better when e rubbed along together which I hope is the situation today.
We need Forums you are very lucky in The Blind Industry nobody wants to talk to one another value them treasure them and accept them for what they are and yes it is good to have leg pull along the way regards
Ian
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very very helpfull folks on there in my experience, certainly helpfull when i was starting up, yes its about selling solutions/jags but you dont have to buy solutions/jags to get help from them!!!!!!!!! yes i agree one of the mods is off putting, hence i dont post much nowadays but still find it helpfull, and long may it remain so....... and if i had a vested interest in the solutions company i would also post endlessly about trial packs, m power etc etc etc!!!!
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Nothing wrong with promoting your own products but from what I've read the reply's to questions by the knowledgeable forum elders are often skewed , deliberately omitting relevant options and information or snuffing out the conversation if it gets too anti regime .
The genuine regulars chatting amongst themselves give the forum a veneer of legitimacy for its real purpose .. to groom newbies .
Newbies potentially with money to spend are seized upon and given deliberately biased advice by a combination of Industry leeches , payed shills , self appointed regime minders and lackeys . :)
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John ...... as you previously stated "deliberately biased advice by a combination of Industry leeches , payed shills , self appointed regime minders and lackeys" ...... any advice I offer is likely to be biased in that I can only talk from experience and I used Solutions products !!
I am not in the supply industry, paid, self appointed or a lackey ........... although I understand you are in the supply industry and very vocal against anything from Solutions so I can understand your deliberately skewed approach....... I sung the praises of my Speedster when I used that but decided to go for something more powerful but lighter to manoeuvre.
Someone referred to the Jaguar 6.6 & M Power as crap products that don't always work ......... MP & Solutions microsplitters are what basically won my 6 green business awards and Parliament prefer to pay me 3 times as much as their own contract cleaners, to get the end results and the drying times that the Jaguar 6.6 can offer.
I will stand corrected, if there are other products or machines out there, that have achieved the same acknowledgements but in the meantime ........ I cannot simply sit here reading a thread started for the sole purpose of belittling something unjustly ;D
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John ...... as you previously stated "deliberately biased advice by a combination of Industry leeches , payed shills , self appointed regime minders and lackeys" ...... any advice I offer is likely to be biased in that I can only talk from experience and I used Solutions products !!
I am not in the supply industry, paid, self appointed or a lackey ........... although I understand you are in the supply industry and very vocal against anything from Solutions so I can understand your deliberately skewed approach....... I sung the praises of my Speedster when I used that but decided to go for something more powerful but lighter to manoeuvre.
Someone referred to the Jaguar 6.6 & M Power as crap products that don't always work ......... MP & Solutions microsplitters are what basically won my 6 green business awards and Parliament prefer to pay me 3 times as much as their own contract cleaners, to get the end results and the drying times that the Jaguar 6.6 can offer.
I will stand corrected, if there are other products or machines out there, that have achieved the same acknowledgements but in the meantime ........ I cannot simply sit here reading a thread started for the sole purpose of belittling something unjustly ;D
Me a supplier ! I only supply the truth :-X you will believe what the regime tells you . That must make you a La_ _ _ _ ;D
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Not spoken to anyone at Solutions in months so regime not at fault ....... heard a whisper off someone on this forum who is also anti everything and likes to supply their version of the truth ;)
I don't quite understand why people realise that CT is Solutions based and CIU is not ........... yet they still moan about what they see on either channel .......... I can't watch surgical operations on tv but have physically sat through many post mortems ........ simply don't look at what you don't like or want to see. Would save so much time that is spent whining about it, to anyone like minded enough to listen ::)roll
PARP :-X
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I was talking to a supplier sometime ago and he said that john Martin had bought some items from him we were talking about vac motors I don't know john Martin at all never spoken to him but the supplier who I respect said that he was a fellow carpet cleaner (obviously with a strong opinion) but that's what it's all about as long as forum rules are obeyed, i enjoy his posts I enjoy a lot of posts on here there will always be a difference in the forums but that's good we don't want a carbon copy of each other.
Shaun
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I was talking to a supplier sometime ago and he said that john Martin had bought some items from him we were talking about vac motors I don't know john Martin at all never spoken to him but the supplier who I respect said that he was a fellow carpet cleaner (obviously with a strong opinion) but that's what it's all about as long as forum rules are obeyed, i enjoy his posts I enjoy a lot of posts on here there will always be a difference in the forums but that's good we don't want a carbon copy of each other.
Shaun
Seriously Shaun , a different John martin or he got the names mixed up :)
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So, what is your interest in the cleaning business? Supplier, cleaner, machine builder or machine repairer ?
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Apparently so as this John Martin was apparently a good looking well admired man who spoke with an eloquent aplomb, sorry for the mix up ;D
Shaun
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"Dave, I did two houses (void properties) yesterday of which one property had no hot water. So mixed up MP, then agitated could not believe the finish even with cold water. Great results."
This is a post of Darran Pryce made on the other forum about "MP crap" :o and also had some before and after pictures that were good. So make your mind Darran ;)
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Darran you'd be better off starting your own forum as your starting to look a bit stupid on both these ones :)
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Darran you'd be better off starting your own forum as your starting to look a bit stupid on both these ones :)
No Daniel, is it Daniel Woodhead????
Don't look or feel stupid, it's called a debate. Freedom to discuss, if you don't like what I have said, then don't come on. I asked a question, and the rest is up to people to answer what they think about whatever forum that they use.
If people disagree with what I have said then that's the whole point, no one gets banned on here. Some agree with me some don't, just like some don't/do agree with what others have said. Simples! ;D
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"Dave, I did two houses (void properties) yesterday of which one property had no hot water. So mixed up MP, then agitated could not believe the finish even with cold water. Great results."
This is a post of Darran Pryce made on the other forum about "MP crap" :o and also had some before and after pictures that were good. So make your mind Darran ;)
Wonder if this is Daniel Woodhead!!!! Whatever..... I don't have to justify myself with products that I have used on. The Picture you see might be one of the first jobs that we did with MP. Other jobs used MP, nothing or made vary little impact. Then we turned to SPM well that's another story, I'm not knocking that, good stuff. I will give credit were it's due.
MP is good for vomit and urine and will use it for that only. In fact the latests pics on Solutions, carpets cleaned by SPM. My opinion is MP is not cut out to what it says it to be, if you don't like what I have said, then tough! It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, just like you are.
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Hi Darren I think it is mainly because you were so rude about the people on Cleantalk rather than its products which has upset most people you are right you are entitled to your opinion but when it becomes abusive to other people perhaps it shouldn't be aired. I use solutions solutions including M power and find they work I also have prochem and chemspec products on the van they work too. I used to own an Altec machine now use a Jag both great machines and was happy with both. I can't understand all the nasty stuff it serves no purpose and detracts from your own business maybe the energy is best directed to that rather than being nasty about a group of people somewhere else.
As you say everyone is welcome to their opinion this is mine also when I started, out of all the suppliers Nick was the only one who supplied me with what I wanted rather than what they wanted to sell me.
Best wishes Andy
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good points Andrew.... still eating the pies??
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Hi Andrew
Thanks for your opinion. I'm glad that's your experience, and hope it continues.
All the best
Darran
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Bum licking, biased forum to influence sheep and newbies. Rightly or wrongly, being owned by Solution, that's the way it is.
I know I'd rather buy a machine for that price with heat. It's light for a reason.
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Hi Hecter yes as many as I can get my podgy hands on ;D Darran thanks for your polite reply and I hope things work out well for you, Steve in answer to your post yes it can be, which obviously isn't good and why I don't go on as much, as for the Jag yes I would have liked it to have heat but haven't found it to be a big problem. I don't think there is a high end porty which can give you heat high psi and big vac's all at the same time.
When I up grade I am not sure if I will still go for a porty, although I would hopefully be able to keep my Jag, work permitting I still think a TM is the really serious end of the market and this is what I am trying to work to just need more work or higher priced clients!!
Also Steve if you are who I think you are then I actually agreed with your comments on the last thread you posted on ct either way the suns out and the grass isn't going to cut itself (unfortunately).
Have a good one.
Andrew
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Hi Hecter yes as many as I can get my podgy hands on ;D Darran thanks for your polite reply and I hope things work out well for you, Steve in answer to your post yes it can be, which obviously isn't good and why I don't go on as much, as for the Jag yes I would have liked it to have heat but haven't found it to be a big problem. I don't think there is a high end porty which can give you heat high psi and big vac's all at the same time.
Andrew
Is that what they told you over there ::)roll
Alltec Evolution .... twin 6.6. + 1/2HP Pumptec with 2000w inbuilt inline heat + 3000w immersion intank as a preheater .
Drop the psi a bit (400) and there is the Enforcer with two onboard 3000w heaters
or the Airflex Custom in series ... 3000w onboard .
or Prochem Endeavor ... two 6.6 + 3000w heat .
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Have heard a lot about heat and in 30 years of cleaning carpets, only ever needed heat three times .....same pub on 3 occasions !!
Tap hot water is about all I ever need for prespray and warm or cold rinse to finish ...... mind you, I tend to clean marked but not rotten carpets nowadays.
I am sure I also saw a mention of the time it takes for MP to work and that the person did not have time to waste on that ...... the client is paying for your time and a dwelling product will mean less scrubbing & water applied to carpets. If it is not worth your while, then maybe there needs to be a consideration on price. I prefer to do work that will pay me fully, for the time I put in and I leave when I have done ...... not because I have another appointment as any job that takes me all morning, should pay my days money ;)
Much better to do five £400 jobs a week than four hundred £5 ones ;D
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Hi Guys
I am a great believer in heat but respect the opinion of experienced CC's like Chris.
There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat!
On the question of forums obviously CT is owned and run by Solutions and is more highly moderated than CIU, posters can choose where they feel happier.
Cheers
Doug
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Ok I'm gonna be honest and say that this was just a ridiculous irrelevant thread to start with
Was there really any need to start this thread, what real relevance does it have to our industry ???
Surely you knew when deciding to start, choosing your subject title followed by your message that you were just gonna kick things off....of course you knew, if not then what were you trying to gain?
We are all here for one reason and one reason only......to network and to gather knowledge/help on becoming successful within our industry, am I right or wrong??
I'm not interested in hearing people slag of other forums, products and equipment etc...that's just school yard antics! However what I am only interested in is gathering an educated view, opinion or review that actually contains any real structure, meaning or depth.
Over the years I have used every chemical, solution or whatever you wanna call them, trust me. Prochem, ChemSpec, Alltec, Amtech, Solutions blah blah blah bloody blah do i really need to go on!
Some are amazing, some are great, some are good, some work for others, some don't, and some just aren't for me it's that simple
For me now and and the way that I run my business, Solutions products and customer service works perfectly. I have never had a problem but if I did then I'm more than confident that Nick and the team will rectify, after all we are all human and problems beyond our control sometimes do happen.....THAT'S LIFE!
Kind regards
Wayne ;D
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Have heard a lot about heat and in 30 years of cleaning carpets, only ever needed heat three times .....same pub on 3 occasions !!
Tap hot water is about all I ever need for prespray and warm or cold rinse to finish ...... mind you, I tend to clean marked but not rotten carpets nowadays.
I am sure I also saw a mention of the time it takes for MP to work and that the person did not have time to waste on that ...... the client is paying for your time and a dwelling product will mean less scrubbing & water applied to carpets. If it is not worth your while, then maybe there needs to be a consideration on price. I prefer to do work that will pay me fully, for the time I put in and I leave when I have done ...... not because I have another appointment as any job that takes me all morning, should pay my days money ;)
Much better to do five £400 jobs a week than four hundred £5 ones ;D
Fine if your just doing maintenance cleans these days , but some do whatever they are asked to do ... so if you have to do suite that some guy with greasy hair sat for 10 years eating chips with his dog beside him ... you can spend half the day scrubbing in your MP and dwelling then hit it with your stone cold jag ..... or you could choose to sail through it with 3000w heat ... I know which one makes life easier .
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Hi Guys
This has run it's course.
Cheers
Doug