Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stevieg on September 22, 2013, 08:04:12 pm
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Anybody have experience of using the above. Ie I have got to clean some sash windows using this method.
Do you fasten one side,climb on the sill and then someone else fastens the other side on?
Any ideas?
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Have you got a safe working at height ticket??
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Harnesses have one lanyard not 2 just hook on and get out window.Make sure ibolts have been tested and have a date on if date is 2011 and not in date dont use
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I there any training courses available I would like the know how and paper work to back it up
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Harnesses have one lanyard not 2 just hook on and get out window.Make sure ibolts have been tested and have a date on if date is 2011 and not in date dont use
+1.
The ones we have done, we didn't actually climb out, just hung out and reached.
Stay inside if you can-probably less risk
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HI thanks for replies. Tell me more about working height ticket thing!!
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yes stevie every month, just hook on then step out and clean, and check the dates on the tag
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No need to get out.
Use a set of steps on the inside.
Bottom half all the way down. Top half all the way down.
Over the top, clean all the outside of top half.
Bottom half, half way up.
Clean top half of bottom sash.
Top half all the way up. Bottom half, half way up.
From underneath clean bottom half of bottom sash.
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I wouldn't have thought a window sill would be classed as a safe working platform when harnessed to either one or two bolts on the inside of the building.
Having said that, in the recent past.......... ::)roll
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the bolts are on the outside ross, you hook on prior to getting out, yes AJ is correct most can be done from inside, the ones I do are from a balcony so it just not a sill and the top floor is from a wide ledge just below the sill
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Look up safe working at height level 1
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The ones we did the bolts were on the inside.
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I take it that you don't have any experience doing this sort of work hence the question.
If this is the case then you need to get proper training from the right people if not then leave well alone.
Personally theres not enough money in the country to get me out on a ledge connected to a harness.
Plenty of easy safe work in this game.
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I take it that you don't have any experience doing this sort of work hence the question.
If this is the case then you need to get proper training from the right people if not then leave well alone.
Personally theres not enough money in the country to get me out on a ledge connected to a harness.
Plenty of easy safe work in this game.
agree with this, if you have to ask how on here then probably best to leave well alone.
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I used to do a fair amount of roped access work - mainly window cleaning.
Sometimes before doing the job, especially if it was substantial sub contract work, there was usually a course of sorts to go on before hand apart from the usual on the day induction stuff.
The rule as I understood it was that for all exterior window cleaning, it's either ladders for work under 6m alone or 9m footed, and above that height it's a safe working platform, MEWP, etc, or a craddle or roped access and that's it.
Using window sills, no matter how big, were a big big big NO whether harnessed or not and for obvious reasons. Any company that allows window sills to be used as a safe platform for window cleaning regardless of the securing used for the worker is in serious breach of H & S.
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We did a 10 storey building for over 10 years PIA .
The eye bolts need to be tested I think annually .
The way we did them was push bottom sash up and lean out of window and clean pull back down then climb onto internal sill pill top sash down lean out and clean pull back up.
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If bolts are on outside dont use they must be on inside.
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Top tip: If you tie off onto a piece of furniture, make sure that it is bigger than the window. That way it will jam in the hole if you fall off.
If it is too small, not only will you fall all the way to the floor, bit said furniture will then land on you.
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If bolts are on outside dont use they must be on inside.
if that is true why are companies still fitting them outside and certifying them annually?
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I could be wrong on this but I only ever seen those bolts for securing a ladder to on the outside but never ones for a harness unless it's right up at the very top.
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nope it is not the one for ladders and no they are not fitted high up, they need to be hooked onto before you go out, if that is how you do it, trying to find pics but can't find decent ones yet
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Outside bolts have been band inside only.
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Outside bolts have been band inside only.
by who, do you have a link to prove it so I can check it out
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I am not doubting you, I just need to back it up when I approach the building manager and tell them all windows need serviced and eyebolts fitted internal
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If bolts are on outside dont use they must be on inside.
if that is true why are companies still fitting them outside and certifying them annually?
Can't answer your question but I grew, this has been my experience.
Though only certified every 4 years for the job we did...
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HSE website 5th line down
ƒ are of the wrong material for corrosion conditions; fail the 6kN load test;
ƒ are set in a structure that is clearly non-structural and incapable of taking the shock load,
ƒ at an edge distance that is unsafe or below the minimum recommended at the time of installation,
- in a position that allows excessive free fall or insufficient free space;
ƒ are set externally when windows are accessed internally;
ƒ whose anchor points cannot be removed for examination or stand away
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HSE website 5th line down
ƒ are of the wrong material for corrosion conditions; fail the 6kN load test;
ƒ are set in a structure that is clearly non-structural and incapable of taking the shock load,
ƒ at an edge distance that is unsafe or below the minimum recommended at the time of installation,
- in a position that allows excessive free fall or insufficient free space;
ƒ are set externally when windows are accessed internally;
ƒ whose anchor points cannot be removed for examination or stand away
thanks that looks pretty clear, until I went to hse website and found the document that is taken from
http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/downloads/anchors.pdf
now when you read that it isn't so clear, but what is clear is the companies that fit and inspect these points have to know and be trained, and it makes it clear that just reading that document does not make you competent to decide, so the only for me to know is to speak about this document with the installers, at least I know what I need to do now
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Hi Stuart its just i was having some fitted on a job only 2 i bolts at the back of a restaurant and i wanted them on outside so i could get a glass roof but they said no must be on inside.