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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sean Kelly on September 14, 2013, 08:15:04 am
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Hi guys, I've started window cleaning this year and have a good round going, do people drop you in the winter though??
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Hi guys, I've started window cleaning this year and have a good round going, do people drop you in the winter though??
Only about 90 % ;D
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Yes you might get a few messers who will.
Put up with it until you no longer need their custom and then take great pleasure in dumping.
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Get a winter job m8
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I'm a fire fighter aswell so don't really need a winter job, do you have a winter job windiewasher??
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Yes but it is not really an issue. You can't clean as many houses in Dec/Jan as you can in Jun/Jul anyway so it usually works out fine.
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I'm a fire fighter aswell so don't really need a winter job, do you have a winter job windiewasher??
No mate.im joking i think 2 said they dont want them cleaning in the winter and infact i still picked a lot up in the winter.
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Everyone still gets cleaned in the winter. Thus is when the windows are at their dirtiest
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Many customers are quite thick when its comes to window cleaning. Its the misconception that rain cleans windows,they seem to not notice that you agitate the dirt off the glass with a brush then rinse.The rain does not have a brush to clean before rinsing. Winter being a wet environment does not have much sand and dust but as most dirt on a glass is made up of pollution which is slightly oily from e.g car exhaust pollution, which rain cannot rinse off the glass. It is this oily substance that sand and dust sticks in that summer. If this oily pollution was not present on the glass the sand would just slide off or be blown off the glass by wind.
Use this information to educate your customers.
Top nerd Tip: Purified water has the ability to clean better that natural pure. ( This is after much research.) For the science interested, purified water has more imbalanced hydrogen molecules to absorb the dirt )it`s is for this reason that naturally pure water is never Tds 000. Natural pure water will always come in contact with other elements to balance its atomic nucleus 8) 8) 8)
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I canvass a lot at this time of year. The custies I pick up are good, because they know you work through winter. I rarely get people cancelling for winter, because when I canvass, I tell them that we're all year round. I don't take back people who cancel, so it sorts itself.
Winter is also the time of year when the windows get dirtiest, so why would anyone want to cancel for that period??
You sometimes get the odd dozy custy saying that rain makes windows dirty etc. If that's true, would they like you to call back after rain and clean them again, as long as they pay of course? No, because they aren't dirty.
The issue isn't winter or rain, it's people who never really give a thought to the logic of it all. Why should they, it's only window cleaning? ::)roll That's how things are mate, so clean all year, and just take the hits from ignorant custies who don't understand.
Welcome to the world of window licking cleaning. ;)
HTH
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Answer for Cosy:You sometimes get the odd dozy custy saying that rain makes windows dirty etc. If that's true, would they like you to call back after rain and clean them again, as long as they pay of course? No, because they aren't dirty.
The sandy deposit on glass is more visual that pollution. The customer being dozy will not notice it. Why they say rain makes the windows dirty is because the rain water disturbs the dirt and makes the dirt visible.
I know I am a nerd. yes yes. ;D ;D ;D But, Knowledge is power.
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lol, know what you mean mate. I actually had a town centre shop owner say she didn't want her shop front cleaned if it was raining!! Wonder who cleans them now.................. ;)
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This answer will be answered by the established windy as NO.( I have ironed out and dumped all the messes) The still building a round windy, in these current times will be, YES .( And will need every customer you can get to survive the winter with a sane mind) ;D ;D ;D ;D.
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Stick to your job as a fire fighter I'm sure you earn good money & leave the window cleaning to us professionals lol !!!!
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The longer you're at this, the less customers you get who say stuff like "Oh, can you stop doing them and come back in May?" (or something like that).
Why? Because you drop 'em and just stick with your regular hard-core of customers who have you month-in-month-out (or whatever your frequency). As time goes on, you build a round of good, dependable customers.
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just had one yesterday, said can i ring you when my windows get dirty ? yes course you can.myarse.
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I have a customer that stops between November and April.
Wouldn't normally bother with him but he is in a spot where I clean 9 other houses from one park so don't mind.
Wouldn't do it for a van move though.
As with most things-it's subjective.
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Stick to your job as a fire fighter I'm sure you earn good money & leave the window cleaning to us professionals lol !!!!
Danny, you try living off a fire fighters wage, I'm a professional window cleaner as much as you are lol
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The longer you're at this, the less customers you get who say stuff like "Oh, can you stop doing them and come back in May?" (or something like that).
Why? Because you drop 'em and just stick with your regular hard-core of customers who have you month-in-month-out (or whatever your frequency). As time goes on, you build a round of good, dependable customers.
Cheers tosh started 3 months ago and have now gone waterfed. I love it, I've got a lot of military houses up the marine camp these are my hardcore ones, and about 10 commercial got loads of I think are reliable so hopefully will do ok through my first winter,
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Stick to your job as a fire fighter I'm sure you earn good money & leave the window cleaning to us professionals lol !!!!
Danny, you try living off a fire fighters wage, I'm a professional window cleaner as much as you are lol
£40k? More than most bud...
One of my friends was a firefighter-she wasn't short of a few quid!
To be fair though, I'd want more than that to see some of the stuff she had to.
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Yes you might get a few messers who will.
Put up with it until you no longer need their custom and then take great pleasure in dumping.
+1
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The longer you're at this, the less customers you get who say stuff like "Oh, can you stop doing them and come back in May?" (or something like that).
Why? Because you drop 'em and just stick with your regular hard-core of customers who have you month-in-month-out (or whatever your frequency). As time goes on, you build a round of good, dependable customers.
+1 too! ;D
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She must of had rank to earn that much buddy, or been in London fire brigade where they get waiting allowance
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She must of had rank to earn that much buddy, or been in London fire brigade where they get waiting allowance
She was ranked (I forget where) and yeah, in London.
Knightsbridge actually. Harrods was just in front of her station.
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Stick to your job as a fire fighter I'm sure you earn good money & leave the window cleaning to us professionals lol !!!!
Danny, you try living off a fire fighters wage, I'm a professional window cleaner as much as you are lol
Go on strike for more money then.... Like youse did last time and always threaten.... Oh yeah get offered more money but in return no second jobs / fiddle on your week off every other week ...
Cake and eat it springs to mind...
Glad to see you've got yourself Into a proper day job!
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We are on 22k in training and 28k after in Dorset Darren, and Danny don't hold your breath there's talk of another strike soon
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£28k's not a lot for the work really.
It's one of those things though-be honest-when was the last time you went to a proper emergency? Probably not very often. If one has never really benefitted from the fire service (or the rest of them for that matter) one will say things like 'you don't do much anyway' but if you're trapped in a burning car with your leg hanging off and petrol dripping into the would one would put them on £100k overnight.
I personally feel that nurses get the worst deal.
They are on £16k to start and get abused like you wouldn't believe.
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Yesterday actually Darren, we are quite busy on our patch so go to quite a bit of decent work, yea nurses get a poop deal I was an auxiliary nurse on my days off last year on a&e and the money was gash, but fire fighting and nursing I both couldn't do if I was in it for the money. There's quite a few of us fire fighters down here who do window cleaning on our days off and actually find it quite therapeutic
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Yesterday actually Darren, we are quite busy on our patch so go to quite a bit of decent work, yea nurses get a poop deal I was an auxiliary nurse on my days off last year on a&e and the money was gash, but fire fighting and nursing I both couldn't do if I was in it for the money. There's quite a few of us fire fighters down here who do window cleaning on our days off and actually find it quite therapeutic
Fair play bud.
Yeah-you'd only ever WC for the $.
Job satisfaction would have to come from elsewhere.
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We are on 22k in training and 28k after in Dorset Darren, and Danny don't hold your breath there's talk of another strike soon
I would agree that the money isn't great, especially when you take into account the unsociable shift pattern and potential dangers of the job.
I've got a customer whose son is a full time fire fighter and he is considering also being a retained fire fighter on his days off to top up his money.
From what I've heard most fire fighters have a second job/income.
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I agree the money isn't great for what you guys do.. however 28k a year people survive on a lot less without having a second job..
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We are on 22k in training and 28k after in Dorset Darren, and Danny don't hold your breath there's talk of another strike soon
I would agree that the money isn't great, especially when you take into account the unsociable shift pattern and potential dangers of the job.
I've got a customer whose son is a full time fire fighter and he is considering also being a retained fire fighter on his days off to top up his money.
From what I've heard most fire fighters have a second job/income.
Yea it's true, on our station we have a plumber, 2 carpenters, and electrician, painter and decorator and a landscape gardener.
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I agree the money isn't great for what you guys do.. however 28k a year people survive on a lot less without having a second job..
Roughly £1,200 a month after tax. (Ish)
Bet not many do without benefits/cash in hand/thieving etc...
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I agree the money isn't great for what you guys do.. however 28k a year people survive on a lot less without having a second job..
Roughly £1,200 a month after tax. (Ish)
Bet not many do without benefits/cash in hand/thieving etc...
Eh?
£2,333 gross so about £1,750 after tax and NI I reckon.
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The longer you're at this, the less customers you get who say stuff like "Oh, can you stop doing them and come back in May?" (or something like that).
Why? Because you drop 'em and just stick with your regular hard-core of customers who have you month-in-month-out (or whatever your frequency). As time goes on, you build a round of good, dependable customers.
Cheers tosh started 3 months ago and have now gone waterfed. I love it, I've got a lot of military houses up the marine camp these are my hardcore ones, and about 10 commercial got loads of I think are reliable so hopefully will do ok through my first winter,
The military aren't great customers. They go on deployments for months at a time and their wives go back to Mummy. They won't tell you either; they're normally too busy to think of their window cleaners (some will some won't), so you'll be owed money and no-one is there to chase it up from.
Then they do unit moves where they all up sticks 'n' go somewhere else and a new mob move in.
But they'll do while you're short of work. If you're into carpet cleaning, they'd be good customers for that.
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Oh, they all get paid on the last working day of each month; try and get paid from them shortly after that. Leave it till the 5th of the month and they'll all be skint!
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Roughly £1,200 a month after tax. (Ish)
Bet not many do without benefits/cash in hand/thieving etc...
erm.. think you've calculated that a bit wrong? :o think you find its more in the region of 22k after tax & NI
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Sorry-you're right. Beer has been on since 1.
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Haha beer should get deducted before tax!! My pension contribution after so it doesn't leave me with much, I've got a mortgage to pay and a mrs and 2 mouths to feed, so window cleaning is a good top up for me. I find the military round here great customers as I know most of them,
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I agree the money isn't great for what you guys do.. however 28k a year people survive on a lot less without having a second job..
From the Office for National Statistics site: "In April 2012 median gross weekly earnings for full-time employees were £506" - £26,312 annualised. Median is the amount where half of people earn less, half earn more.
So half the population somehow manages to scrape by on less than firemen get for working half a week.
Vin
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Depends where in the country you live
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
;D ;D ;D
somewhere pension contributions was mentioned in this debate too ...
Opt out that will make you better off monthly ... Ooo and scrap your union contribution too while you're on ...
Sure all that will give you an extra £££££ s disposable income ..
You see what people are saying is you have a decent job , decent wage , government pension , cushy shift pattern where you sleep at work then get up go home and go and do your "fiddle job" ...
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
;D ;D ;D
somewhere pension contributions was mentioned in this debate too ...
Opt out that will make you better off monthly ... Ooo and scrap your union contribution too while you're on ...
Sure all that will give you an extra £££££ s disposable income ..
You see what people are saying is you have a decent job , decent wage , government pension , cushy shift pattern where you sleep at work then get up go home and go and do your "fiddle job" ...
If it was your house on fire with your kids inside-would the tone of the post differ...
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
;D ;D ;D
somewhere pension contributions was mentioned in this debate too ...
Opt out that will make you better off monthly ... Ooo and scrap your union contribution too while you're on ...
Sure all that will give you an extra £££££ s disposable income ..
You see what people are saying is you have a decent job , decent wage , government pension , cushy shift pattern where you sleep at work then get up go home and go and do your "fiddle job" ...
If it was your house on fire with your kids inside-would the tone of the post differ...
The problem is that faced with a sooty window half the firemen wouldn't know whether to break it or clean it. ;D
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Luvvin' the small minded jealousy on this thread! If someone is lucky enough to have a firefighter's job and uses their days off to work then good luck to them.
I remember my F-i-Law who had a 3 day x 12 hour shift pattern in a chemical factory who would do patios, drives and garden clearance to get away from his dragon of a wife. He didn't charge much per hour and it really got up the noses of "prufeshnial" gardeners and labourers.
Tough. As long as they declare a second income it's a level playing field; but if they don't then dob 'em in! Oooh can't do that I'm not a grass so I'll sit and whinge about it ... ::)roll
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If it was your house on fire with your kids inside-would the tone of the post differ...
Take that to its logical conclusion and firemen should be paid an infinite amount of cash. It's a job. Get over it.
People in the Army risk their lives ultimately for your benefit but are paid significantly less and work much harder for their money. You don't mind their being paid a miserable pittance.
Firemen are paid well enough for their job that there's a huge waiting list of people wanting to join. Then out they come and undercut the business of people who don't have the luxury of another job getting them more than the median UK wage for a four day or four sleepy night week. From the Hampshire fire service website today "Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service is no longer accepting applications for wholetime firefighters. The application process will not be re-opened until further notice." They aren't accepting applicants as they are stuffed to the gills. And basic economics says that if there are no vacancies and you're not even accepting applications, a job must be pretty well paid for the services being required.
And whatever you might say about danger, the pay must outweigh it or people wouldn't do it. Builders face danger. Our ladder-wielding brethren face danger. 49 "operational fatalities" have occurred in the past 20 years in the Fire service (http://www.fbu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fbu_fatalities_report.pdf) . I've tried to find the number but I believe it's reckoned to be 6-7 window cleaners a year and heaven only knows how many builders a year.
Anyway I understand I'm on sticky ground here. I'm just arguing logic against years and years of Fire Brigade Union propaganda about how special their boys are and how they all deserve to be able to have two jobs.
Vin
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Luvvin' the small minded jealousy on this thread! If someone is lucky enough to have a firefighter's job and uses their days off to work then good luck to them.
I remember my F-i-Law who had a 3 day x 12 hour shift pattern in a chemical factory who would do patios, drives and garden clearance to get away from his dragon of a wife. He didn't charge much per hour and it really got up the noses of "prufeshnial" gardeners and labourers.
Tough. As long as they declare a second income it's a level playing field; but if they don't then dob 'em in! Oooh can't do that I'm not a grass so I'll sit and whinge about it ... ::)roll
Ah yes, but the taxpayer wasn't funding you F-i-L's job. I'm paying for them to come out and compete with me.
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Well get a job that pays you to sleep then, thing is we hardly sleep, you've got this sterotypical image in your head, I doubt you'd last a day in the service any way
Vin
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Well get a job that pays you to sleep then, thing is we hardly sleep, you've got this sterotypical image in your head, I doubt you'd last a day in the service any way
What has my suitability for being a fireman to do with a single word I've said?
No I wouldn't fit in but don't try to colour that as some kind of failing or weakness. There's a bit of your own self-importance leaking out. Here's one for you. I used to be in IT sales. I can say with total certainty that you wouldn't have lasted a day in that job either. See how feeble it sounds and how irrelevant to whether you're speaking sense?
So get over yourself. You're doing a JOB. That's it. And you're well-paid for it (or there wouldn't be a queue to join)
Anyway, enough. You're all heroes who deserve a doubling, no a trebling of pay and a halving of hours. That's the story you hear every day from your beliigerent union, so I don't blame you for being brainwashed.
Vin
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There's no job satisfaction in it sales it wouldn't drive me I'm afraid, have a good night buddy
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There's no job satisfaction in it sales it wouldn't drive me I'm afraid, have a good night buddy
And no satisfaction in your firefighting job... Or wouldn't be seeking to go window cleaning ...
Thing is the government want you to graft for your tax payers money ... They know you have it cushy , yeah they'll give a pay rise but in return for a change in shift patterns no extra jobs .... hmm you soon took what was on offer ...
If you were offered over 28k of window cleaning work would you quit your job ... After all it is more than your current wage ??
my mate is a soldier ,,, covered on them ratty green army fire engines when you lot went in strike ( so 70s btw ) ...
Thing is they were doing a better job with sub standard gear and you lot knew that ..
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Vin - I have just lost all respect for you after that rant .
Your gobbing off about something you clearly know very little about.
Firefighter deaths are on the rise due to lack of investment ,despite the fact we are very very cheap (around £50 per household per year)
Its not easy to get into the fire service, you have to be determined and have the aptitude for it.
As for the sleeping , why do you begrudge a firefighter sleeping when not on a shout but not a soldier?
soldiers get paid to sleep much more often than a firefighter.
Both my brothers are soldiers and i dont begrudge them sleeping while being paid from taxes that i pay.
taxes that also go towards paying my own wages.
why does he have to "get over himself" he wasnt showing off, the only little bit of bigging up was done by another poster.
my last night shift involved a fatal car crash on the m27 , 18 year old girl ,rolled her car and came out of it whilst it was rolling , not pretty and if im honest quite upsetting , straight from that to a fire at a high rise block of flats (albeit small) back to station for an hour
then a house fire .
yes there are times when its quiet , but we have huge amounts of training and community safety work to do , obviously that cant be done at night .
of course it would be much better if we were not allowed to sleep and turned up knackered to these incidents , putting the public and us more at risk.
As for being packed to the rafters , simply not true , we are on the bones of our arse for frontline staff.
AND anyone can work part time if they wish , i know plenty of non fire brigade staff that do exactly that but nobody has a go at them.
of course firefighters never pay tax on there part time work do they , and we all play snooker and have cooks to make our dinner .
I just never get why people get so jealous when they have the same chance to join as anyone else .
I have no problem with a bit of banter but there is no need to attack someone like that .
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Paul h , the fireman that went on strike last time still went on rtc trapped and persons reported shouts so it wasnt really a strike .
so many people believe the "facts" printed in the sun.
Some people on my watch saved a baby from a fire during the strike and the sun reported that the navy saved him, even though the navy crew said it was us !
They printed an apology a week later that was two or three lines hidden in the back of the paper somewhere .
he is window cleaning for money not because he gets no job satisfaction.
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Paul h , the fireman that went on strike last time still went on rtc trapped and persons reported shouts so it wasnt really a strike .
so many people believe the "facts" printed in the sun.
Some people on my watch saved a baby from a fire during the strike and the sun reported that the navy saved him, even though the navy crew said it was us !
They printed an apology a week later that was two or three lines hidden in the back of the paper somewhere .
he is window cleaning for money not because he gets no job satisfaction.
What's your views on the public sector enhanced pensions , shift patterns , etc...
Not happy when they suggest meddling with them.. Why is that ?
Lots of community work etc...,, I mean come on ...
You know the wage and risks surely when you join ... So you can see why whilst everyone appreciates the work they are trained to do ... sure you can see why some may at as having your cake and eating it ...
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I don't bother myself with what firemen or the armed forces earn. It's nowt to do with me- although I do have a vote- and I can't really do anything about it. I clean windows, that's enough responsibility for me and I don't really want any more.
I haven't got a problem with people having two jobs, either. If any thing, they should be applauded. If they can hold down two jobs, they are obviously doing something right.
If there aren't enough jobs then that's the fault of people higher up than the likes of us. And if people can't handle the competition then they should look at themselves and adapt. You can deal with that problem, if not the first.
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Vin - I have just lost all respect for you after that rant .
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Rant? What rant? I've pointed out that you're doing a job that is well paid enough to create a huge waiting list. I've pointed out that other people risk their lives every day (and MANY, many, many more builders, soldiers and window cleaners die every year than firemen). So, I'm sorry if treating what you do as a job rather than some kind of mythological heroic undertaking upsets you.
The "bigging up" I was pointing out was the comment "I doubt you'd last a day in the service". If that's not bigging yourself up (translation: "I got in, you never would"), I don't know what is.
Anyway, I'm stopping now. As I pointed out, it's logic against propaganda, so I'm not going to make any progress.
Vin
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Also vin the shift pattern is there to cover 24 hr s seven days a week to cover not only fires but car crashes , lorry crashes, rope rescue , water rescue , people stuck in lifts , suicides , people locked in or out of there house , kids locked in cars by accident etc etc the list goes on.
We even have bullet proof vests now to go to terrorist incidents /roaming shooters to get casualties out.
The majority of fatal/serious injury shouts I have been to have been at night , if we were not at the station asleep you could be waiting an extra 8-10 mins for the first appliance , a long time when someone you lo e is trapped .
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Ok I missed that part of his post but it doesnt change the fact your posting your opinion as fact.
Clearly you dont know the facts .
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Also vin the shift pattern is there to cover 24 hr s seven days a week to cover not only fires but car crashes , lorry crashes, rope rescue , water rescue , people stuck in lifts , suicides , people locked in or out of there house , kids locked in cars by accident etc etc the list goes on.
We even have bullet proof vests now to go to terrorist incidents /roaming shooters to get casualties out.
The majority of fatal/serious injury shouts I have been to have been at night , if we were not at the station asleep you could be waiting an extra 8-10 mins for the first appliance , a long time when someone you lo e is trapped .
The point for me is if you are that busy in such a demanding job, is it fair then to spend your days off/rest days as my fireman mate calls them, only to push a mower, clean windows or do any other work?
God forbid when I need you I would like to think you fit and ready and not turning up after 70 odd hours worked in two or three jobs.
I sold my lawn mowing round to a fireman who needed the extra money to live 10 years ago, he still does the two jobs now but is now divorced as he "spent all his time working". You can't buy back time.
To the OP a small percentage may try to stop you through the winter but these are generally the same people who will put you off when it looks like rain or there is building work going on a few doors away. You should with your firemans salary not carry any customers who are crap or late payers or messers of any description.
Tony
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You seem to have a problem with firemen sleeping at night so your obviously not that worried about them being rested.
To put the salary into perspective a train driver at southwest trains is on 45000 a year for 35 hours and I know several that also work part time .
Its not a high salary for the work involved and if people think its so cushy why have they not joined themselves ?
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You seem to have a problem with firemen sleeping at night so your obviously not that worried about them being rested.
To put the salary into perspective a train driver at southwest trains is on 45000 a year for 35 hours and I know several that also work part time .
Its not a high salary for the work involved and if people think its so cushy why have they not joined themselves ?
Do they sleep at night? I never mentioned that, is it a problem I should worry about?
I dont think I mentioned the salary either. I think your clutching at straws to justify your point.
Like Vin, I'm out.
Tony
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Just a question, why would it take an extra 8-10 mins? Police work shift patterns and yet sleep in their own time, during a night shift they have to proactively occupy their time.
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Vin, statistically you will be involved in 2 major fires in your life...............just saying
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Ok I missed that part of his post but it doesnt change the fact your posting your opinion as fact.
Clearly you dont know the facts .
He likes to do that a lot. ::)roll
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What does "proactively occupying your time" involve?
I thought after the last bout of strikes it was agreed by the union that firemen were not to have second jobs? Perhaps I have made that up, or it may be a 'fact' from the Sun.
There have been many firemen near me who have cleaned windows, they tend to be fairweather shiners though. It's a bit different cleaning windows in -5 if you already have a steady income from elsewhere.
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Vin said our shift patterns dont reflect when fires occur and said we get paid to sleep all night.
If we were not there at night you would have to wait for a retained appliance , staffed with people who only train three hours a week .
They are mobilised from home via a pager causing the delay in attendance .
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Why would they stop firemen having second jobs when anybody can do a second job ?
There are also people that do firefighting as there second job .
Why do people only get wound up about firefighters doing second jobs and not other people ?
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There have been many firemen near me who have cleaned windows, they tend to be fairweather shiners though. It's a bit different cleaning windows in -5 if you already have a steady income from elsewhere.
only -5?? Luxury !! ;D
Good luck to anyone who's ready to go and do extra work to earn extra money. Better than the "where's my benefit handout" attitude from some in UK. (runs for cover)
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What pro active work do you suggest we do at night when not on a shout ?
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Well said cozy , me doing extra work means I no longer need to claim working family tax credit .
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Don't worry about him rob,
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I man that at night the police still go on patrol even if not on a shout.
I don't know what do fire crews do at night when not on a shout?
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What pro active work do you suggest we do at night when not on a shout ?
I know, get a van with say, 1000l tank in it, fill it with water then drive round your local area keeping the outsides of buildings wet. If there is a fire wet stuff is less likely to burn. Obviously you couldn't do whole buildings, you'd run out of water. Maybe just the windows...
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We train and do home fire safety visits in the evening.
We cant do any of that through the night for obvious reasons.
Wearing breathing apparatus in a hot fire takes more out of you tham most people appreciate so its important to be well rested when possible .
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Why do people only get wound up about firefighters doing second jobs and not other people ?
I think that is because it is public sector. I can't think of any other public sector jobs that would accommodate a second job as well as the fire service.
Don't get me wrong I don't give a flying monkeys what firemen do in their time off. Good luck to them I say.
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Window cleaning at night ........now theres an idea ! Lol
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Window cleaning at night ........now theres an idea ! Lol
Someone on here was talking about that before!! ;D ;D
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I know police officers with second jobs , and a nurse with her own business .
An nhs physio that does private customers on her days off .
What difference does it make being public sector?
I do the job im paid for to the best of my ability the same as anyone else public or private sector .
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That's fair enough, I wasn't having a dig.
Can understand it is quite a tiring job
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It makes a difference being public sector because people feel that their taxes pay your wages. This is not how I see it, I realise that you pay taxes, same as everybody else, but that is why it makes a difference.
You may well know nurses with businesses etc but you can't deny that no other public sector job would so easily accommodate, pretty much, a full time second job. It's a good number. Could I do it? No effing chance.
Would you still have a second job if they paid you 50k a year?
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The shifts are as they are because its the most efficient way of covering 24hrs every day of the year , they have looked into other shift systems over the years but none work as well.
I do like the shifts and the extra time I get with my family , thats part of why I joined .
I wouldn't call it a good number but yes I enjoy it and get a lot of satisfaction from helping people.
If it was 50 k a year I would not work part time as well .
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And so the arguement continues round in circles.... Long and short of it is some people want or need second or third jobs. Tax paid on both? Fine. Then get over it. Lewis Hamiltons dad had two jobs to help his son become a multi-millionaire tax exile in Switzerland, mates of mine in various jobs do two jobs to pay a mortgage or get their kids through Uni. Others work one job, come on here and say they earn £25+ an hour, (no doubt mainly cash) which leaves you to wonder if all the tax is paid that should be. At the end of the day its horses for courses, its better to keep your head down, work hard in as many of your job (s) as you have and give people a lift or advice where you can without sniping at others perceived cushy (or not) lives ::)roll
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No firefighter should need to justify himself to a window cleaner about why they want to earn extra etc etc.
To me firefighters are hero's even though my mrs fancies them all >:( i think they deserve a lot more than they get.
As said by cozy fair play to anyone wanting to earn more and do well.
As for customers dropping us in winter, i get around 50 each year say can i leave it till march which i happily do, no big issue to me as in winter i get rained off and snowed off meaning i cant do as much anyway.
Just find the positive in everything you do and your round will build beyond belief.
Best of luck.
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i never knowingly take work from another window cleaner but have happily off a fireman who was playing at being a p/t windie .
back to the original post , when you are first starting off you have to take all sorts of sh/t such as folk not wanting you in winter or in the rain-by the time you are a couple of years in theres no need to take any nonsense -be sure to block their numbers on your phone so you dont slip up and let them back onto your round
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Well said markymark , very sensible post .
Like I said the bit I dont get is why it only causes animosity when its a firefighter .
Especially as my second job / business means I dont need to claim a penny in benefits .
Mick most firemen are ugly , your missus prob just fancies the pretend ones on the calendars ;D
I dont class myself as a hero , very few of us do.
Obviously you get the odd one that loves themselves too much but you get that in every job , including window cleaning.
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Out of interest why are you happy to take work off a part time window cleaner ?
Or is it just because he is a firefighter?
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Or is it because he's a nob??
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Your average window cleaner is trying to earn a crust.
Your average window cleaning fireman is trying to earn gravy.
Jus'sayin'
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I havent read all the posts, cant believe some of the replies.
Im a retained fireman...go on a weeks breathing appartus course and tell us we have it easy...in fact i give you 2 days.
We dont just jump on the engine and pull the hoses out believe it or not...nevermind, you all seem to know our job inside out.
Getting into the service certainly isnt a walk in the park...and it isnt for everyone. Took me 3 years to get anywhere. Im so proud of what we do and i couldnt imagine not doing it. Get up 3 - 4 times in the middle of the night, leave family for a whole day, run out during dinner. Its hard on us and our families but thats obviously my choice isnt it.
Just cant believe the lack of respect you guys have for fireman. I believe jealously comes into play on this sometimes.
If we have it so easy...and earn easy money...why dont you do it?
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There are no average window cleaners on here, they all earn £500 a day ! ;D
Its all relative , one mans crust is another mans gravy .
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Not for one second do I think firemen have it easy, quite the opposite. Sounds horrendous, not for me 1 bit thank you very much.
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I heard from a bloke in the pub that all window cleaners are on the dole and working cash only to fund there alcohol problem so that must be true.
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Out of interest why are you happy to take work off a part time window cleaner ?
Or is it just because he is a firefighter?
if they are parttime windies they are not in the game properly is how i see it . something else is propping them up usually whether its a wife with a great income ,a rich dad , benefits ,or a secondary job . from my own experience they lack commitment ,especially in bad weather which is often why customers ditch them
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It amazes me that people get slagged off for daring to work hard to provide a better life for there family.
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It amazes me that people get slagged off for daring to work hard to provide a better life for there family.
Jealously.
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Out of interest why are you happy to take work off a part time window cleaner ?
Or is it just because he is a firefighter?
if they are parttime windies they are not in the game properly is how i see it . something else is propping them up usually whether its a wife with a great income ,a rich dad , benefits ,or a secondary job . from my own experience they lack commitment ,especially in bad weather which is often why customers ditch them
So the part time firefighter that just posted is not committed does a crap job because he is part time ?
And really , how dare somebody run a business window cleaning if there wife works .....the cheek of it!
If someone is doing a bad job and you get there customers that's fair business wether they are part time or full time .
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I dont get the jealousy ,they could have applied to join up like I did ,they chose not to.
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I dont get the jealousy ,they could have applied to join up like I did ,they chose not to.
Bro they not cut out to sleep in station and pull the hose of the big red trucks
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Out of interest why are you happy to take work off a part time window cleaner ?
Or is it just because he is a firefighter?
if they are parttime windies they are not in the game properly is how i see it . something else is propping them up usually whether its a wife with a great income ,a rich dad , benefits ,or a secondary job . from my own experience they lack commitment ,especially in bad weather which is often why customers ditch them
So the part time firefighter that just posted is not committed does a crap job because he is part time ?
And really , how dare somebody run a business window cleaning if there wife works .....the cheek of it!
If someone is doing a bad job and you get there customers that's fair business wether they are part time or full time .
what i was getting at was that the code of ethics (poaching work or staff ) only applies to full time firms . its the same in other industries
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So what do you consider to be part time ?
20 hrs , 30 hrs ?
Or does it go on how much they earn ?
What if someone does it part time as there only income ?
If someone is doing a good job you wont take there customers wether they are full or part time.
I have customers that have switched because there old full time window cleaner was nit doing a good job.
If he was doing a good job they wouldnt have changed.
You cant say have a code of ethics then discriminate based on the hours somebody works.
It makes no sense .
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i believe it does make sense . heres an analogy for you , now who would you respect the most ?
the miner who has done 40 yrs down the pit and its his last week and is just pushing a broom , or the lad who is at the pit face hacking with an axe ,but its his first week ?
now i too started off parttime window cleaning but only because i didnt have a clue what i was doing+ i had no jobs , i felt i was playing at being a windie in my parttime phase , once i got the hang of it i gave it my all
at the end of the day,we all have our opinions and its drifted off from the original post as these threads do
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I would respect both of them equally , they are both prepared to graft for their money.
Same as I respect anybody who is willing to do an honest days work , regardless of age , gender , race etc .
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I know police officers with second jobs , and a nurse with her own business .
An nhs physio that does private customers on her days off .
What difference does it make being public sector?
I do the job im paid for to the best of my ability the same as anyone else public or private sector .
Cos they are awake and working on nightshifts .. Not doing cosy home visits a bit training then getting their head down for even 5 mins never mind a slack 5 hours ...
The army get paid 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days of year .., they take the rough with smooth and work less sometime but a lot more others .. I know I did Northern Ireland tours 6 months at a time with 5 days off ba k home ... The last 2 months we worked 12 hours on 12 hours off ... With no overtime payment in sight ..
Happy with all the fire service has to offer other than the wage ,,, but that's solved by having cushy shifts to go work a second fiddle job ...
Could. Always leave and try and seek better paid work elsewhere ..
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Don't post on here much any more but as retired firefighter with 34years inner city service behind me and now a part time window cleaner I have really enjoyed reading this thread even though its not about original question!Some excellent posts from both sides and I can see why folk with only one job think it strange that a fireman might want another job .I had other jobs on and off in my time but I always appreciated so much that I had a steady wage to fall back on .We regularly attended 15 to twenty incidents through a night shift in inner city Leeds and I for one went home to bed before thinking about 2nd jobs. Through my career have been personally involved in many rescues and received two bravery awards ,not asked for but given and kind of embarrassing just for doing my job.
I have great respect for other window cleaners regularly stop for a chat with the guys that I see around .Please accept that doing two jobs ain't easy and is most often to provide a better life for your family which is why we all work after all. Cushy it wasn't but regular pay it certainly was,loved my job and miss the crack .
The obvious intellect of a lot of window cleaners on here has me in stitches on many occasions and Will continue to read and laugh along with you guys .
Keep it comming fellas ,apologies for even more thread drift !
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Yes they do , so they get paid to sleep more often than us .
Both my brothers are soldiers , im not cut out for it but I dont begrudge the perks they get, they have both done well being overseas tax free cars etc but they deserve it .
I never said I was unhappy with tbe wage , im not.
We dont sleep all night every night , we take the rough with the smooth as well.
Could you explain why a second job is a fiddle for a fireman but not for anyone else?
Or is your moronic post just designed to try and wind me up?
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Just out of interest, do firemen who clean windows show their helmets to pretty customers? ;)
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Now IF I didn't know any better I could swear I can hear the sound of a troll or two... ;D Or if not, is the wildly off thread muttering now become "all firebobbies sleep at work and have a doddle of a job"? Which I assume the arguement follows that it makes them lazy. Then surely having a second job is the antithesis of laziness. I couldnt do their job, nor could I be a squaddie, although having mates who have done both jobs during I've found during beery chats its apparant they know the score and that both jobs have an element of being a sit-off at certain times. Just like the job of putting wet stuff on glass and taking it off again (or not if you're wfp) or cleaing soffits for nice wads of cash. Whether its part-time, full-time or whatever it is horses for courses. If a job is so easy and well paid we'd all be mugs not to sign up for it. I mean, if they sleep all night, play darts and snooker and save hunnies what have got their toes stuck in the bath tap I'll sign up for that. How hard can it be? ;)
In answer to the long forgotten op, while you start up you've gotta take the p.i.t.a custies that mess around but the moment you find you don't need 'em, dump them. Don't even waste your time telling them why as it isn't worth the grief. Winter always gives way to spring and the chance to cherry pick better work from anyone who doesnt do a good enough job, or has no idea how to be polite and customer orientated. Cleaning aint rocket science, get it right and stay on the good side of custies and you wont go far wrong.
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What if a window cleaner wants a part time job as a fireman?
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What if a window cleaner wants a part time job as a fireman?
Then fair play to them, it's a good life
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Just out of interest, do firemen who clean windows show their helmets to pretty customers? ;)
Only if they ask nicely ;D
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Just out of interest, do firemen who clean windows show their helmets to pretty customers? ;)
I like to find them hot and leave them wet,
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Just out of interest, do firemen who clean windows show their helmets to pretty customers? ;)
I like to find them hot and leave them wet,
Maybe it's that fireman who clean windows are helmets as the quote above suggests ...
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Shovelling all that coal must be hard work.
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What if a window cleaner wants a part time job as a fireman?
Then fair play to them, it's a good life
I am, its not part time tho we give more hours than full timers ;D
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Sean, I'm also in Poole.. What areas do you cover?
I might be able to pass the odd job on to you, if interested?
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Hi dave yea that would be great can you email me seank1989@googlemail.com
I cover Poole, Hamworthy, parkstone, Bournemouth
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I have always passed jobs on to vin in the past , i get a fair few enquiries from that side of southampton but to far for me to go .
have always just told them to ring perfect windows and bigged them up as he offered to help me when i started by letting me work a day with him for training.
i never took the offer in the end but was still a nice offer .
However im thinking after his earlier posts that he wouldn't have offered if he knew i was a firefighter.
wont be passing anymore his way .
Shame because i really respected him before this.
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I have always passed jobs on to vin in the past , i get a fair few enquiries from that side of southampton but to far for me to go .
have always just told them to ring perfect windows and bigged them up as he offered to help me when i started by letting me work a day with him for training.
i never took the offer in the end but was still a nice offer .
However im thinking after his earlier posts that he wouldn't have offered if he knew i was a firefighter.
wont be passing anymore his way .
Shame because i really respected him before this.
Go for a beer together.
It's easy to get vitriolic over text.
And sometimes (though I doubt it in this thread) things get misconstrued online.
He did offer to help you to start with.
A f2f may clear your beef up.
Try & think positively, he may be a top bloke who you both could benefit from having a relationship with
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i dont realy have a beef , not a proper one .
i just hate it when people state their opinion as fact without actually knowing the real facts .
Im pretty easygoing and very rarely get wound up .
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i dont realy have a beef , not a proper one .
i just hate it when people state their opinion as fact without actually knowing the real facts .
Im pretty easygoing and very rarely get wound up .
Exactly fella.
Have a beer together.
You never know...
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I have always passed jobs on to vin in the past , i get a fair few enquiries from that side of southampton but to far for me to go .
have always just told them to ring perfect windows and bigged them up as he offered to help me when i started by letting me work a day with him for training.
i never took the offer in the end but was still a nice offer .
However im thinking after his earlier posts that he wouldn't have offered if he knew i was a firefighter.
wont be passing anymore his way .
Shame because i really respected him before this.
What? Really? You're threatening not to pass work my way because you've created a make-believe scenario where I possibly might not have helped you if, hypothetically, you had actually asked me to help? (Yes, read it twice, it took me a long time to work it out myself). You're desperate to fall out with me, aren't you?
I think you ought to read through what I've actually posted without that huge chip on your shoulder. You know, the one that's dragged up a personal attack on me about four pages after I'd said "enough" and left the subject alone. That's not showing off your "easygoing" personality to its best.
If you take a look, most of what I've posted is purely factual. You earn above median income. A Fire station doesn't actually need as many people on at 4am as at 4pm. More people die in building trades/Window cleaning. There's a huge waiting list for jobs. All with references to sources where required, some too obvious to need them.
I have a different opinion of your job from yours (note: your job, not you - I'm not the one posting about personalities here). So what? Is your job above criticism? You seem to believe so.
Now, you can draw whatever conclusions you like about that and you can assign whatever motives you like to what I've posted about your job but please don't go assuming anything about either me or my personality (or whether I would have helped you in the past or would help you in the future) from that. I'm not aware of any time, ever, for any reason, that I've turned down a request for help from anyone who's contacted me.
Vin
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Shovelling all that coal must be hard work.
And when going uphill through a tunnel with 50 wagons behind, it must be suffocating.
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Why does a fire station need more people at 4pm than at 4 am ?
Where do you get the idea we have an abundance of staff ?
We are nearly always on minimum crewing in hampshire .
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Shovelling all that coal must be hard work.
And when going uphill through a tunnel with 50 wagons behind, it must be suffocating.
It gets steam up - a bit like this thread. ;D
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"So half the population somehow manages to scrape by on less than firemen get for working half a week"
What is factual about your statement above ?
48 hours over 5 days?
How is that half a week?
There is a certain tone to that post that suggest you think fireman get paid a lot of money for doing very little?
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Shovelling all that coal must be hard work.
And when going uphill through a tunnel with 50 wagons behind, it must be suffocating.
It gets steam up - a bit like this thread. ;D
Goldy.
Coat
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Why does a fire station need more people at 4pm than at 4 am ?
Where do you get the idea we have an abundance of staff ?
We are nearly always on minimum crewing in hampshire .
That's it? That's your sole response to my post? Nothing more to say? No comment at all? Nothing more to day than that?
To answer your questions, given that many of your calls (including the example quoted earlier) are to car accidents, look up when most car accidents occur. More at 4pm or more at 4am? I'll give you a clue. One of them is rush hour.
Where did I say you have an abundance of staff? WHERE? Point me to my post where I said that. You're now putting words in my mouth,
I really do give up.
Vin
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Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
Where do you get this figures from ?
Are these figures you have googled ?
Have you thought about the different type of fires?
How many people do you need for a bin fire in the daytime compared to a house fire at 4 am when kids and parents are in bed?
How quickly do you need to be there when people are trapped upstairs?
Its very easy to google statistics that mean nothing in the real world ?
Boris Johnson for instance has said that fire deaths in london have gone down since he took over as mayor .
They have in fact gone up, they are going to keep going up because of the cuts to the fire service and longer attendance times.
Firefighter deaths are also rising.
To put the cost of the service into perspective , it costs most households around the same or often less to pay for the fire service than it does to clean there windows,.
we are a very cheap service.
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Vin - we dont go to every car accident but every car accident will be included in those figures including minor bumps.
The majority that are serious enough for us to go to happen at night and usually involve people travelling at a fair speed, that doesnt happen so much in rush hour .
That is also just one type of incident, we go to more than just car crashes and fires.
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People in the Army risk their lives ultimately for your benefit but are paid significantly less and work much harder for their money. You don't mind their being paid a miserable pittance
My brothers are in the army and both earn more than me , they also have a huge amount of down time , so a lot of the time they dont work very hard.
They do however take great risk and deserve much more money and respect than they get , i certainly dont begrudge there downtime.
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Firemen are paid well enough for their job that there's a huge waiting list of people wanting to join. Then out they come and undercut the business of people who don't have the luxury of another job getting them more than the median UK wage for a four day or four sleepy night week. From the Hampshire fire service website today "Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service is no longer accepting applications for wholetime firefighters. The application process will not be re-opened until further notice." They aren't accepting applicants as they are stuffed to the gills. And basic economics says that if there are no vacancies and you're not even accepting applications, a job must be pretty well paid for the services being required.
Which firefighters are undercutting you?
its certainly not me .
The reason no firefighters are being taken on is because the government are cutting the budgets by a huge amount , in hampshire we are under establishment but they cant recruit because they are still being threatened with further cuts and dont know what there budgets are going to be.
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Anyway, enough. You're all heroes who deserve a doubling, no a trebling of pay and a halving of hours. That's the story you hear every day from your beliigerent union, so I don't blame you for being brainwashed.
Vin
Can you show me every day the union have asked for us to be paid more in the last few years ?
or asked for a halving of pay?
Do you really not think there is a bit of a "tone" to your posts.
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I have a different opinion of your job from yours (note: your job, not you - I'm not the one posting about personalities here). So what? Is your job above criticism? You seem to believe so
no i dont believe its abiove criticism .
There are lots of things i could criticise , number of people at middle management level for instance .
Lack of investment in training facilities.
money wasted on pointless i.t or projects , but i can criticise knowing the facts which makes it more relevant.
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no not anymore but had a few when 1st starting out so just never went back to them ................................ it is a thread about summer / winter customers isnt it ??
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There is a certain tone to that post that suggest you think fireman get paid a lot of money for doing very little?
My unit covered for the fireman strikes in Paisley. It was great; we watched a load of videos and did a lot of gym.
Loved it.
I seem to remember the firemen were wanting a huge pay rise at the time; claiming it was dangerous; but I think they were jumping on the back of the US 9/11 where a lot of firemen were killed.
I think the pay rise they wanted (never got) was for the average fireman to paid an army Warrant Officer's wage, yet very few firemen were killed in comparison to soldiers who're killed or disabled.
Still, I got to watch a lot of videos and was paid for it; so not all bad.
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Why does a fire station need more people at 4pm than at 4 am ?
Where do you get the idea we have an abundance of staff ?
We are nearly always on minimum crewing in hampshire .
That's it? That's your sole response to my post? Nothing more to say? No comment at all? Nothing more to day than that?
To answer your questions, given that many of your calls (including the example quoted earlier) are to car accidents, look up when most car accidents occur. More at 4pm or more at 4am? I'll give you a clue. One of them is rush hour.
Where did I say you have an abundance of staff? WHERE? Point me to my post where I said that. You're now putting words in my mouth,
I really do give up.
Vin
please do give up...you are starting to remind me of the miserable little
bleeder that likes to harass you on another forum
back on the subject I lose very little over winter
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Tosh - the strike your referring to was in 2007 and they were asking for £30000.
Most fireman in the job would agree that strike was a mistake and the union were crap.
Things are very very different now .
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Yes they do , so they get paid to sleep more often than us .
Both my brothers are soldiers , im not cut out for it but I dont begrudge the perks they get, they have both done well being overseas tax free cars etc but they deserve it .
I never said I was unhappy with tbe wage , im not.
We dont sleep all night every night , we take the rough with the smooth as well.
Could you explain why a second job is a fiddle for a fireman but not for anyone else?
Or is your moronic post just designed to try and wind me up?
I'm not sure that you've read it the way it was intended. I saw it that the windowe cleaning plays "second fiddle" to the main job, i.e. it's not as important. Totally different meaning to having a second job and being on the fiddle.
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And vin we don't work half a week we do 48 hours over 4 days
Indeed. And a great deal of that is spent fast asleep because you work a shift pattern that doesn't reflect when fires actually occur.
I'd LOVE to be paid while fast asleep.
Vin
;D ;D ;D
somewhere pension contributions was mentioned in this debate too ...
Opt out that will make you better off monthly ... Ooo and scrap your union contribution too while you're on ...
Sure all that will give you an extra £££££ s disposable income ..
You see what people are saying is you have a decent job , decent wage , government pension , cushy shift pattern where you sleep at work then get up go home and go and do your "fiddle job" ...
Dont think I read that wrong " fiddle job" .
If I took that the wrong way then I apologise .
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Tosh - the strike your referring to was in 2007 and they were asking for £30000.
2002 it must've been. I left the army on the back of it.
I believe in South Wales they're making cuts to the fire service. I've had a fire safety check though, and we're fairly 'fire aware', so that's okay!
Don't worry about too many of the comments here; just ignore 'em when you get bored.
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There is a certain tone to that post that suggest you think fireman get paid a lot of money for doing very little?
My unit covered for the fireman strikes in Paisley. It was great; we watched a load of videos and did a lot of gym.
Loved it.
I seem to remember the firemen were wanting a huge pay rise at the time; claiming it was dangerous; but I think they were jumping on the back of the US 9/11 where a lot of firemen were killed.
I think the pay rise they wanted (never got) was for the average fireman to paid an army Warrant Officer's wage, yet very few firemen were killed in comparison to soldiers who're killed or disabled.
Still, I got to watch a lot of videos and was paid for it; so not all bad.
Fireman walt.
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Just a thought- and a serious one- do you think you are more likely to be dropped if your customers know you have another income? And quite a good one compared to some of them.
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Sorry tosh , your right it was 2001/2002 .
Im not really worried i just find it all so bizarre .
I really have lost any respect for vin after the moronic posts he has put on here.
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Chill, Robert.
Because you might not like an opinion of Vin's doesn't mean you should lose all respect for him. It might be the only thing you disagree about.
Btw, I don't agree with him but I do agree with a lot of his other posts.
I know it's a subject that you feel strongly about but don't take it too personally.
Just agree to disagree.
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Chill, Robert.
Because you might not like an opinion of Vin's doesn't mean you should lose all respect for him. It might be the only thing you disagree about.
Btw, I don't agree with him but I do agree with a lot of his other posts.
I know it's a subject that you feel strongly about but don't take it too personally.
Just agree to disagree.
I agree, I've had a spat with Vin in the past, only on one subject though, otherwise, he makes a lot of sense "normally" ;) Chill guys, you're both talking "past eachother" if you know what I mean.
Tosh, you're a niggy sprog. !! I was on the late 70's strike in the middle of my first NI tour, so pull up a sand bag, swing that light, and I'll tell you a few war stories ;D When me and Hector were at Rorke's Drift............................. ;D
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Im not wound up to the point that I need to chill.
He is stating what he is saying as fact and its the tone of his posts .
I cant respect someone like that.
Have you read all his posts?
I almost feel I should apologise for getting off my ass and Working hard to get a job I enjoy .
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Do the firefighters feel a any animosity towards the soldiers who take over their jobs?
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No , none at all.
The last strike was not even a proper strike because they still attended persons reported and rtc trapped shouts.
The soldiers were only doing what they were ordered to do , they had no choice.
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A friend of mine pointed out an advert wanting people to train up a firefighters to cover potential strikes.
I think the pay was quite good.
He told me about it because people who've previously used breathing apparatus were preferred (I used to be in the mines rescue)
I wouldn't do it on moral grounds but I understand its different for soldiers.
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They are doing that because they have been told they can't use the army this time .
I wish everyone had your morals and wish more of the country were willing to stand up to our corrupt government .
Thats a whole different discussion though .
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Sorry tosh , your right it was 2001/2002 .
Im not really worried i just find it all so bizarre .
I really have lost any respect for vin after the moronic posts he has put on here.
You're right.
So, now you've totally lost your respect for me, do me a favour and remove all the text you cut and pasted from my website onto yours. I wasn't going to say anything (I like to help, see, and I'd finished with this thread peacefully till you went on the attack again last night) but I'm sick of your personal sniping - before you say a word, you resurrected your "lack of respect" for me four pages after I'd said "enough", as I could see I was upsetting you.
I offered you help; I would offer it again but you seem determined to make this personal. I don't know why you want to do so but I suggest you drop the massive chip on your shoulder and just see what happens.
If you can't cope with people having a different opinion from yours then I suggest an internet forum is not the place for you.
So, sort out your website copyright violation (after all, who would want their website littered with text lifted from someone they don't respect?) and leave me alone.
And that really is the last word I will say on any matter to do with you.
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I dont have a chip on my shoulder and there was no need for your derogatory posts about firefighters based on "facts" you have googled , made up, read in the sun newspaper.
You know there was nasty tone to your posts, most other posts have posted without pretending they know everything.
My website wasnt written by me but if you email me using the contact form I will make sure anything that may have been cut and pasted from your website is removed.
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bloomin charlatan
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I will take that one on the chin .
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Had a custy ask me the other day what i did when the window cleaning season is over, got that from their last windy. Told him i play all year round :)
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Had a custy ask me the other day what i did when the window cleaning season is over, got that from their last windy. Told him i play all year round :)
It's as ridiculous as being asked what you do when the mating season is over.
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Had a customer today tell me they don't want them cleaned in the winter.
I remember them telling me the same thing when I first took them on in early summer, I told them then it's all year round or nothing and they agreed to have them done all year, cheeky f***ers
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Hi dave yea that would be great can you email me seank1989@googlemail.com
I cover Poole, Hamworthy, parkstone, Bournemouth
Email sent ;)
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In summer 2011 I was on a steam train near Taunton and it stopped on an uphill climb between stations. I asked the guard what the delay was and he told me that the engine was dangerously low on water and that the fireman had asked him to phone the fire brigade to fetch some firemen.
So the firemen helped the fireman by bringing water so old Gold and his big brother got home that evening.
When the train got to the station the fireman took the engine away and dropped the fire. But it wasn't winter when it got dropped it was summer. Go figure? The other firemen took their engine back to the station too.
True story that. Honest.