Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: AJCleaningServices on March 05, 2006, 04:49:28 pm
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Hi all,
We all have seen here several cases where concealed advertising has taken place. Every time it happens we have big arguments about what is right and what is not.
Shouldn’t this forum have a separate place (a topic / thread) where companies could promote their goods and we potential buyer could ask them question?
Is there anything wrong with it? Do I not understand something?
Kind regards,
Arthur
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Can of worms.
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Can of worms.
::) lets open it :o
;D ;D ;D
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good point ! will be watching closely
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I think if it was done in the right way that would could be a great idea, at least
everything would be out in the open. And as i have already sead at the end of the day you make your own minde up as to what you buy.
Take Care John
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thats it out in open not give some spill how good something is only to be getting a discount on a few chemicals to use in a george !
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Why not have a "items for sale" and "items wanted" section, and maybe restrict members to a maximum of say 3 postings in this area, so that nobody puts their entire catalogue on.......
Maybe split the for sale section into "equipment" and "supplies"
Have all postings deleted automatically after say 21 days
Just a thought....
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Whoops!
Just noticed we have an "equipment for sale" section already.
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I have just added poll to this topic
Kind regards,
Arthur
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Well done Arthur good idea, at least it might show just how many are interested
about the subject.
Take Care John
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I think it would soon become a free for all with various people each wanting to sell some product or the other and climbing over each others backs to give the best advice in the name of selling their companies products and all objectivety with regards genuine advice would get lost.
I think how it is at the moment is just right.
Advertisers end up taking over because they have an ulterior motive other than the simple 'wanting to share or help' motive.
When money gets involved......
I post on this forum because I want to.
Advertisers post for profit only.
Who's advice and experience would you rather trust for an honest opinion?
Cheers
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The point you are missing is the owner of this site is also the owner of a cleaning supply company that sells carpet cleaning machines. SO he is allowed to make the rules.
I, like everyone else enjoy looking at the various machines and like to know about the latest chemicals. I thought the Prowler was a lovely looking machine and look forward to having a go with one, I would not have known about it if it wasn't for this board.
What I do object to and seems most others do to is the blatant advertising and brown nosing of a certain company that has now been going on for over a year. We all know that they are sent over here to cause a bit of aggro and see what they can get away with.
Yesterdays posting I feel was designed to aggravate.
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I think it would be a bit of a liberty if other companies are coming on here to sell their products, as the site's provided by a cleaning supplies company.
But to show there's no conflict of interests for other types of services - if anyone's looking for a four bedroom villa sleeping eight, with it's own 10x5metre pool, only 20 mins from Faro airport and 10 mins from the beach in the Eastern Algarve at some truly fantastic prices outside the school holidays - you know who to contact ;)
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Mmmm, now theres an offer. Anywhere near Cavoralo ( sp)??
How much and do you organise travel and car hire??
If not here can you send some pics and details to my email, then I'll delete this.
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Just how many times have Express Cleaning Supplies pumped their products on this forum?
How many postings have they made?
Some do promote their products but it is not an 'in your face' way. It seems to be done by way of an unspoken 'gentlemans' type of arrangement.
I still think it is best the way it is.
By the way, we are available for medium and large window cleaning contract work in the Brighton area. For a free quote please phone freephone 0800 849 7206. All types of work undertaken. Please phone us. We await your call.
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Briliant light hearted banter at this time on a Monday morning, are we mad
sad, nothing on the telly, or just insomniacs.
Take Care John
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I think that the John Rimmer Marshall & Rimmer Ltd avator should be removed right away.
Disgusted from Tonbridge Wells :P
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Very good, could not agree more, NIGHT NIGHT
Take Care John
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Yep, time for me to be removed as well.
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Yup.
Bed for me also.
Interesting thread.
It does seem strange for me though - to be posting in Carpet Cleaning Issues.
I've been going through some of the postings. It's a different world to window cleaning but somehow the same but for the different trade. Same sh*t different job. Same problem with customers but whereas with window cleaning, you clean the window, job done, simple, carpet cleaning - how complex.
Also, there is no possibility that the windows will shrink when you clean them. ;D
Cheers
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I would just like to make things clear:
I have posted this topic and poll to attract more attention to the issue of the blatant advertising posts, which are not doing any favours anybody…
Some times it is very difficult to discuss some equipments and etc., as even some members of this forum start to object to some posts saying that they were blatant advertising. Prowler is a resent example. I have posted post about Prowler (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=17156.0;all) to find out more about that machine, however somebody (different topic) has already blamed another person for blatant advertising of the Prowler…
Kind regards,
Arthur
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Arthur, stop advertising your poll ;D
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Arthur,
I understand where you are coming from its a difficult one,
I use this Forum to learn. I understand you are new to Carpet Cleaning so you have more to learn.
If you ban mentioning of any product or service we would not learn about new developments in the industry.
You could say the post about the Prowler which I think you were involved in starting is blatant Advertising.
But the Prowler is a new Machine to UK should we not know about it.
You have ALSO been involved in a post about The ROTOVAC not suggesting you are involved with the Company as you are not but this would have to be banned.
A new rival to xxxxxxxx has come onto the market which also has 3 Vacs should this be regarded as Advertising.
A Carpet Cleaner has a Machine that he is very proud off made by Ashbys should talk about this machine be banned. And how he has adapted it for on van use.
I would have thought it is of interest
You were Asking about The Extracta Scrubber should talk about this be banned.
There is the CFR machine and CFR tools worth knowing about.
Craftex have a Micro Splitter how are we going to know about that,
Prochem have a powdered one?
How we going to compare products
So we are lleft with people who blatanly post.
I know of one Forum that charges Ł50 a month to mention products on the Forum in the Product section very few companies if any use it.
In my opinion if you completly ban mentioning products the Forum will be weaker.
However that does not mean open season. And posts about products which apear regularly may be deleted especially if the poster does not give advise on other subjects.
Also there is a DANGER TO TO THE COMPANY that blatanly advertises that their product is going to be critised.
In the past what I call bully boy tactics have been tried.
Last year I regularly received abusive pms and emails
Start a seperate section.
I use another Forum not to do with Carpet Cleaning that has 60 Seperate Sections .
I find it anoying difficult to follow.
Do you know what The Moderators get anoyed when I critisise
Perhaps a certain post or posts should have been deleted but Arthur what do you know about Pub Cleaning learnt some interesting stufff from it .
Perhaps they will lend all of us a machine when we need to clean a pub. ;D ;D ;D
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Like Ross I believe that the current status quo should remain, on the window cleaning section several suppliers post on there but they refrain from outright advertising of their products.
Reuben from Ionics for instance has popped a pic on the window cleaning section of a new Zero waste R/O with a little bit of info about the product, if they hadn't done so then none of us would have heard of it.
Reuben also comes on the forum and helps out many window cleaners with informed replies to question and isn't forever pushing his products.
The same for many of the suppliers.
Should we have a section for suppliers to post their prices and so on they'll be having a free rein to advertise, and by free I mean free!
You want to advertise you have to pay for the privilege, and thats how it should be.
Various products get discussed and links to the various suppliers of these products are allowed and you can see all their advertising on ther own sites, I don't want to see their blurb in post after post in what would be a 'free ads' section.
As it is the pro's and con's of various products get discussed by users on the forum, so I think they get all the advertising they need anyway.
So I think things are fine as they are. ;)
Ian
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i concur without people mentioning certain products how would we find out about them? its not only machines but chemicals as well. i think the majority of people can tell when a totally biased and blatent advert is on. i though this is what forums are for to share ones knowledge and help each other. i personally have learnt a lot on this particular forum. regarding the prowler i get the impression speaking to other c/c's that most people are interested in a demo of this machine and with out it being posted on here it wouls have passed us by
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Can of worms.
::) :o Have not seen any ;D ;D
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Arthur,
I understand where you are coming from its a difficult one...
Thank you Ian for your post,
Could you say if we should expect any changes about gods?
Or shell we have another poll about it?
I like polls, that is how we get answers to some difficult questions…
Kind regards,
Arthur
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Hi Guys,
As with all these things there is a fine dividing line between information and advertising.
I think Ian and I have similar approaches.
Mine is to delete blatant advertising , but allow information which is technical or practical .
What I will not allow is the one person asks a soft question and the usual suspects pile in with plaudits,pictures and then attempt to bully anyone who dares to suggest theirs isn't the most intelligent, best , biggest etc etc.
There are two reasons for not allowing this , one is no bullying and the other is it's just plain boring .
Cheers
Doug
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Arthur,
PLease do not do a poll about Gods.
You know my view. I will try to find out.
Ian