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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Timmy Boy on August 07, 2013, 01:39:06 pm
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Hi All
Just wanted a little bit of advice. I have had my new website up and running for a few months now and want to look at getting it moving up the organic rankings as I dont see it at all at the moment. I have been given a price by the guy who designed my website of £650 which he will get 10 keywords ranking at no1/2 within 3 months or so. This seems like mega bucks to me but if it does what he says it will then maybe it will pay off or is what he will do something I can work on. My website is www.mcsclean.co.uk and I pay for adwords currently but I have been told that research shows that more people go for the organic link as apposed to the paid ones. Any advice would be great, or where I can get more information would be a great help
Thanks all
Tim
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I agree its a nice site, did notice that your special offer page / leaflet does not work - broken link?
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Hi Timmy
I have to ask - why hasn't the web builder done any SEO when he built it? Did you ask for it when it was being built?
Also this is not a dig - but I see a couple of things on your homepage that I don't understand (apart from no SEO) i.e. the images of a boy and a girls head - and the fruit dessert. I know its a wordpress template but couldn't he have edited it a bit more?
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Hi Timmy
I have to ask - why hasn't the web builder done any SEO when he built it? Did you ask for it when it was being built?
Also this is not a dig - but I see a couple of things on your homepage that I don't understand (apart from no SEO) i.e. the images of a boy and a girls head - and the fruit dessert. I know its a wordpress template but couldn't he have edited it a bit more?
Stop trifling with him Kev. ;D
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Hi
The boy and the girls head are actually (supposed to be) cartoons of me and the missus and the page layout was designed by an arty type and then the website guy made it function. The original idea of the box was it was supposed to represent a speech bubble and then it was supposed to be us saying what you see (not meant to be a catchphrase crack!)but it didnt quite come out that way. I wanted an image of pic n mix but was told he couldnt find a suitable image???!!
Anyway in regard to the SEO the quote said he would include the following:
'I will also provide backlinking for 5 keywords to improve the search engine ranking of the site for those.
This is posting on forums / press release websites with relevant links etc.. to help google “find” your site.'
Is there any way of accertaining he has actually done this?
Thanks
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Ah right ok Timmy- good idea about you and the missus, they look a bit young lol. I dont really like the term given: ' 'I will also provide backlinking for 5 keywords to improve the search engine ranking of the site for those.
This is posting on forums / press release websites with relevant links etc.. to help google “find” your site'. as it all sounds a bit vague tbh.
I would ensure that the site essentially has independent SEO for each page (not normally done because its harder so the site is usually done a s a one lump) both front end and back end. Then concentrate on other areas to promote your site.
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Back links! Press Release! Bit 2010.
The very nature of the design on the Home page has severely restricted your SEO opportunities.
£650 is way too much for what is being offered.
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'I will also provide backlinking for 5 keywords to improve the search engine ranking of the site for those.
This is posting on forums / press release websites with relevant links etc.. to help google “find” your site.'
Press releases I'm OK with. The other stuff is a bit risky for a newish site. The phrase "provide backlinking for 5 keywords" suggests a lot of keyword rich anchor text which is likely to trip a Penguin (over optimisation) penalty.
£650 is not the problem. It's what you are getting for that money that is iffy.
What worries me is that someone has, in this day and age, made a site that has white writing on a black background. Any big agency tests I've seen in the past have found it gets half the readership compared to black on white. The only exceptions were for overhead projector slides and theatre programs. It makes it hard on the eyes.
ps Where has Wynne's really good post about social stuff / local gone?
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Press releases are good for real people checking you out and hopefully sharing but sadly it's another one that's bit the dust recently for seo. :(
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ps Where has Wynne's really good post about social stuff / local gone?
I took it off Garry, thought it might be helpful but I think he wants to pay someone so long as they are up to the job.
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Website design is one of the few services left in life were a lot of companies can get away with charging you a lot for doing very little and this seems the case with your website. Looking at the front and back end of the site along with the off site seo or lack of it, this site is not going to do anything in the rankings. For £650 I would expect some basic website optimisation at the very least along with the design!
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What sort of an idiot would design a site without any seo. Pretty stupid really.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
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Tim
As it is Wordpress I am assuming you can access the dashboard yourself (www.mcsclean.co.uk/wp-login.php)?
Your designer has already installed the Yoast SEO plugin, so you should be able to do the on site stuff yourself. It's literally a case of filling in each box and saving the settings.
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What sort of an idiot would design a site without any seo. Pretty stupid really.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
The same idiot that hires you to do his carpet cleaning!!! :D :D :D
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What sort of an idiot would design a site without any seo. Pretty stupid really.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
Is he an idiot? He would have got another £650 for his services and has probably done that with every other client. He probably will offer ongoing SEO services when the site still doesn't rank well creating an ongoing income for himself. No idiot isn't the word I'm thinking of.
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Only an idiot would think that ripping of the customers that put food on his table as being sound business sense.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.http://com
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Only an idiot would think that ripping of the customers that put food on his table as being sound business sense.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.http://com
Only an idiot would think they can read minds.
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it is a little like the enterprise way of cleaning carpets. A website that is not visible in the rankings is no good to anybody. What he is saying is , I did not realise you wanted people to actually visit the site.
Some people may admire this type of business plan but if he had charged me for making a site that was not fit for purpose, I personally would not consider spending another penny with him and would be looking to get any money spent with him back.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
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it is a little like the enterprise way of cleaning carpets. A website that is not visible in the rankings is no good to anybody. What he is saying is , I did not realise you wanted people to actually visit the site.
Some people may admire this type of business plan but if he had charged me for making a site that was not fit for purpose, I personally would not consider spending another penny with him and would be looking to get any money spent with him back.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
The guy is doing what a lot of web guys do. Build a website. And like most website designers they are offering SEO as an after thought and something they have not got a clue about. I see sites and people say can you seo it and I shy away because its like taking on a carpet stain someones used everything under the sink on. Better off start from scratch.
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Hi All
Thanks for all the replies, mostly helpful. Gary you mention I could do it myself, I have gone onto my control panel, where do I find this part which I can do myself where I fill in boxes? I am really keen to attempt some stuff myself so if you could point me in the right direction it would be really helpful.
Thanks very much
Tim
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Tim go to your dashboard.
There will be a menu on the left hand side (sorry, I cannot upload images).
If Yoast SEO has been activated it should show up somewhere in that menu (about half way down).
If not it may need to be activated. Go to "Plugins" > "installed plugins".
This will give you a list of ones currently on your site (plugins are little bits of software that are added into platforms such as Wordpress (yours) or say Joomla).
If necessary, click the "activate" link and see what comes up. If it's the free version, that should be it (no inputting a licence number).
I do not use Yoast anymore but from memory, the boxes to be filled should appear below the individual posts or pages (titles, description, tags AKA keywords).
Fill these in and then press "update" in the top right hand side of the page. Don't keep updating every couple of minutes. This is because everytime you update Wordpress, it "pings" the search engines. Do it too often and they do the robot version of get p-ss-d off.
Sorry, posts and or pages will be towards the top of the left hand menu. You need to open each one up by clicking "quick edit"
See how you get on.
Also....
1/ Go to "settings" > "reading" and make sure this box is not ticked.... "Discourage search engines from indexing this site" - you may be accidentally blocking the search engines from crawling your site.
2/ Go to "settings" > "permalinks" and check the "postname" box. That will give you much more SE friendly post / page URLs
That should keep you going for a while!
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in the 20 odd years that I have been carp[et cleaning there are very few stains that I have been unable to remove and it is something that I do a lot of.
Likewise I know a lot of people in the world of web design and marketing and they have the intelligence to know that if a customer asks for them to create a marketing site then it needs to be in front of the prospect's faces.
It is all about pride and professionalism, I strive to do the best job that I can do for my customers because I totally rely on their repeat business and the referrals I get, as do the successful people I know in the web world.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com
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Basic onpage seo should be a standard when creating a website imo.
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Basic onpage seo should be a standard when creating a website imo.
There are still lots of top flight agencies that will take 10k+ off you and create a very smart looking Flash based site with absolutely no regard to ranking through the serps.
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You don't need Google to "find" your website - you can submit it to Google:
http://www.google.co.uk/submit_content.html
I created my own website using Wordpress and use Yoast SEO - at the moment I have only SEO'd my homepage and I'm near the top of page 1 on Google for my chosen keywords - it brings me in business.
I need to spend a bit more time on my site making it more interesting and need to SEO my other pages - I can do it all myself though. £650 sounds steep for what he's offering.
Andy
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There is a really good debate on the Search Engine Optimisation Forum on the best way to clean your carpet at the moment.
General feeling seems to be hire a Rug Doctor put a dash of Persil in and do it yourself.
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There is a really good debate on the Search Engine Optimisation Forum on the best way to clean your carpet at the moment.
General feeling seems to be hire a Rug Doctor put a dash of Persil in and do it yourself.
;D
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There is a really good debate on the Search Engine Optimisation Forum on the best way to clean your carpet at the moment.
General feeling seems to be hire a Rug Doctor put a dash of Persil in and do it yourself.
Why not do your own SEO if you can?
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Andy, the original post suggests that the £ 650 is for ongoing promotion rather than a basic on page SEO.
At a basic level, most people should be able to do this themselves although there will be many opinions as to what is classed as "on page" nowadays.
Some would argue that things like page load speed are important and that certain search engines are moving away from certain prominent keyword recognition. The phasing out of the keyword tool would certainly suggest this.
If that amount is for ongoing promotion or link earning then it's a small amount for the work involved. My query was that some of the methods proposed seemed a bit iffy at this time.
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SEO IS DEAD.....FACT
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SEO IS DEAD.....FACT
Don't be silly.
I presume you mean offsite seo? again don't be silly.
Google is an algorithm, a machine with a set protocol. A machine can always be beat if you know what your doing and change with the times ;)
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How naïve can you be dawg......wake up and smell the coffee, if it aint happened to you yet it will, off site seo IS DEAD on site seo is the basic principal of building an honest natural site, end of story. From your posts on thois thread and the other one I commented on you must be charging people for seo. Give us all a break and shut up
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How naïve can you be dawg......wake up and smell the coffee, if it aint happened to you yet it will, off site seo IS DEAD on site seo is the basic principal of building an honest natural site, end of story. From your posts on thois thread and the other one I commented on you must be charging people for seo. Give us all a break and shut up
Nope don't charge anyone for seo services.
I think you need to take a chill pill big man.
And don't tell me to shut up! I'll say what I like.
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That's cool dawg, don't mean you are correct though, and yep your are also correct I should not of told you to shut up, and you also may say what you like, however you are wrong. Whether readers belive what you say or what I say that's up to them, so best just to agree to disagree for the sake of the moderators here, respect must be shown to them and this othingyhh forum. Good luck in all you do whichever way you swing!
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Hi Timmy
I have to ask - why hasn't the web builder done any SEO when he built it? Did you ask for it when it was being built?
Also this is not a dig - but I see a couple of things on your homepage that I don't understand (apart from no SEO) i.e. the images of a boy and a girls head - and the fruit dessert. I know its a wordpress template but couldn't he have edited it a bit more?
Web designers job is to design sites, not to optimize it for seo, that is a complete different ball game.
The site doesn't have much call to action.
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How naïve can you be dawg......wake up and smell the coffee, if it aint happened to you yet it will, off site seo IS DEAD on site seo is the basic principal of building an honest natural site, end of story. From your posts on thois thread and the other one I commented on you must be charging people for seo. Give us all a break and shut up
Now if you think that off page seo is dead, think again
Google has its home page ranking and has no content on it, Google will tell you content is king, they only got a page rank of 7 because of off page seo.
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SEO IS DEAD.....FACT
How can it be Dead ? I did an experiment to get a site ranked no1 I achived this but 3 links pointing back to my site. The results we published on this forum. Took a couple of weeks to get there, here is the thread url
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=174150.msg1477326#msg1477326