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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: g.brookes on August 06, 2013, 04:31:52 pm
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Hi chaps, was hoping to hear from anyone who has experience of this. Ive got a few questions to ask
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Apprentice window cleaner ;D ::)roll ::)roll
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Lol an apprentice window cleaner! Are you having a laugh???
Only takes a few days to show someone the ropes and a few months for them to master the techniques.
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but the gov pay you some money i think for doing it that would be the interesting part
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Danny from Dmc has at least one and swears
By them! He's from mk and is always happy to
Help best found on FB or twitter!
Not on here much any more
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The apprentice can get nvq's nowadays for window cleaning.theres a bloke here who provides them,oh no he deleted his account. ;D
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it only takes a few day to know how to push a pole up and down.wfp its killing the game
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it only takes a few day to know how to push a pole up and down.wfp its killing the game
Behave ::)roll
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Apprenticeships can only do this ragtag industry good.
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Learn trad 10 mins, learn pole another 10 minutes.
It will take longer to get up to a decent speed but I'm talking about basics here.
The rest is a bit of fluff IMO.
Still it's a cheap way to get employee ;D
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Totally agree Archer but I find the ones who are rubbish don't care its not because they can't do it.
I'm not bothered because I keep picking their work up ;D
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Point taken archer but a lot on here take there wife to work with them so it cant be that hard.imo
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It took me more than 10 mins to get up to speed but that comes with time doesn't it?
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Point taken archer but a lot on here take there wife to work with them so it cant be that hard.imo
Yeah if a girly bonnet can do it it can't be hard lol ;D
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I tought my stepdad in a day! He is now upto speed within a month and did his first con roof today by himself. It realy isnt rocket science at all, in fact there isnt many jobs as easy as being a shiner. The pole does the work for you, all you have to do is scrub as it rinses by itself.
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I tought my stepdad in a day! He is now upto speed within a month and did his first con roof today by himself. It realy isnt rocket science at all, in fact there isnt many jobs as easy as being a shiner. The pole does the work for you, all you have to do is scrub as it rinses by itself.
+1
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Ok,
I think it depends on the type of work you do Mick, and to be honest at times it IS rocket science, but like I say it depends on what type of work your doing
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Ok,
I think it depends on the type of work you do Mick, and to be honest at times it IS rocket science, but like I say it depends on what type of work your doing
Your doing it Archer so it can't be that hard can it?
Only kidding don't go all troppo on me (Ben M put me up to it) ;D ;D
Seriously though I know on commercials it is more tricky.
I used to work in facilities on some big commercial properties and most things can be a pain. ;D
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Ok,
I think it depends on the type of work you do Mick, and to be honest at times it IS rocket science, but like I say it depends on what type of work your doing
i always end up in a disagreeing thread lol but what is so hard when showing somebody to clean a window?? I have showed and trained loads of people and never has it been anything other than simplicity unless its a right numpty who doesnt listen to basic instructions.
It gets harder as you progress into a full business and start employing granted but this is about an apprentice wc lol. I understand apprentice electrician/plumber/carpenter etc but there realy isnt much involved in cleaning a paine of glass, i mean is there such thing as an appretaship in cleaning glass?? A trainee wc maybe.
Do you honestly think a 16 year old who has his whole life ahead of him would think"i know im gonna do a window cleaning apprentaship to become a window cleaner".
It wouldnt happen for 1 teachers warn kids that if they choose the wrong doors to enter in early life they will end up a window cleaner! In fact a few teachers said that to me that if i didnt buck my ideas up id end up being a window cleaner when im older!!! and how right they were lol, at the time it hurt my feelings the thought of being a loser wc which is how youngsters look at the job however now id have it no other way and am proud to be one and respect window cleaners but still believe its one of the easiest jobs i have ever done.
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Being able to do a job is a lot different to knowing a job
A lot of people in all industries are only able to do a job and this is why people don't understand what knowing a job is about.
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Being able to do a job is a lot different to knowing a job
A lot of people in all industries are only able to do a job and this is why people don't understand what knowing a job is about.
Im lost what do you mean.
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It doesn't take long to even train yourself so you are out and earning at a decent rate.
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http://m.schoolleaverjobs.co.uk/Job/134273/Apprenticeship-Trainee-Window-Cleaner
Well well it seems i was wrong.
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Modern apprenticeships are just a way of getting cheap labour. The term "apprentice" is prefered to the old stye YOP type of thing. It isn't an apprenticeship in the way it used to be.
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Everybody's opinions are different clearly.
Yes it takes short time to show someone how to clean windows, but doing it correctly is something else.
Over the years I have employed lads who train everyday and where very fit lads, who didn't realise how hard using ladders over the course of a day was.
I'm old school, so I obviously look at it slightly different maybe, but speaking as someone who has employed many staff, it is difficult to get good lads.
I'm sure it is hard to get good lads but the ones with half a brain will see an apprenticeship in cleaning windows for what it really is.
I imagine it will always be hard to find good employees, not many people leave school and have an ambition to wipe windows.
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I have an apprentice, he is almost 19. He joined us in feb this year and is proving a real asset. You guys who say things like "you can train wfp in a day" or "its taking advantage" really are stuck inside your little box.
Sure I taught him the very basics in a day but if your running things as a business then I think there is so much more for the youngsters to learn. Good communication with the customer is not learned in a day it takes months if not years. Some of you out there don't have it now even after years of being a shiner.
Andrew was sruggling to find work as all the polish have taken the jobs he would normaly do as a school leaver. He now has a trade, confidence, experience, and the self belief that he is employable.
I have a hard worker who at first did not earn me much but I only have to pay him a low wage so that did not matter. Soon the govt will give me a grant which I will put towards training uniform and such. He is a real asset and at the end of his apprentiship he will be offered a full time job on a mans wage. I trust him to do a good job which is why I am laying on a beach sunbathing as I write this happy in the knowledge he is working hard for my company earning for us both.
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Over here, there's an apprenticeship in commercial cleaning. It's a 2 and a half year thing and ends with a sort of certificate the same as any other trade. The trainee learns all about chemicals and their PH rates etc etc. The reason this is a recognized trade is because of the damage that can be caused by using incorrect chemicals or dangerous over use of them etc. PART OF the training involves window cleaning and all the H&S stuff that this involves etc.
There is no independent apprenticeship for a window cleaner here. But that's because it wouldn't last more than a few days to explain the H&S stuff that's involved.
I used to drive HGV, but that never involved Abnormal loads and the H&S laws regarding that. So driving 150 tonne loads wasn't needed to call yourself a lorry driver. Its the same with window cleaning really. Any mong can clean a window to a decent standard without having to go 2 days a week to college and 3 days a week on practice jobs.
Some people will always try to "big up" whatever they do to earn a crust, and call themselves "vision enhancement technicians", but we're all on the same job as Stan Ogden.
Apprentice window cleaner, a classic. ;D
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Cozy. You may be on the same job as stan Ogden but please don't say we all are.
Sure we clean windows and the end result is the same but the methods used and potential jobs are nothing like stan did.
But i suppose its easier to assume we are all the same if you are an under achiever rather than admit you could have done better :-)
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Neil and archer thank you for your replies.. It would be good to chat to trade some ideas etc.
The rest of you are like broken records.
Any one else that can actually help me with the subject of this topic, your comments would be greatly appreciated.
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iam shocked that I agree with archer on this, :-X :-X :o :o
yes easy to use a pole on domestic,but try getting them to use a pole over 60ft and do a good job ;) ;)
so many aspects of window cleaning to learn when you do a wide range of jobs,
I will say I still learn every day ;) :D
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Cozy. You may be on the same job as stan Ogden but please don't say we all are.
Sure we clean windows and the end result is the same but the methods used and potential jobs are nothing like stan did.
But i suppose its easier to assume we are all the same if you are an under achiever rather than admit you could have done better :-)
I could bite there, but I won't ;) I know you see me as an underachiever, even though I''ve paid off my mortgage doing simple window cleaning. I see window cleaning as a means to an end. I don't see anyone in this game as a "Richard Branson" type of guy. Some have a few vans on the go etc. But we aren't life and death sort of people. If we don't clean Mrs Smiths windows, or Lloyds bank's windows, the world will still carry on.
Now plumbers, or leccies, or brickies, that's a different matter. I expect some egoes will be damaged mate, but we just clean windows. And that's it.
Some of the firms that do contract cleaning here have over 600 vehicles on the go, and that's not even the firms who work national. They see window cleaning as a by product of a cleaning contract and just subby it out. They buy and sell firms with a few vans.
That's the way I see it. Bottom of the food chain in the public eye. I don't care though, I only work 12 to 15 working days a month, and live a nice easy stress free life.
Stan Ogden or Richard Branson, big it up all you want mate ;)
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It takes years to 'waggle' a brush and a further year to learn how to open and close a valve. People don't realise the skill involved.
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Cozy. You may be on the same job as stan Ogden but please don't say we all are.
Sure we clean windows and the end result is the same but the methods used and potential jobs are nothing like stan did.
But i suppose its easier to assume we are all the same if you are an under achiever rather than admit you could have done better :-)
I could bite there, but I won't ;) I know you see me as an underachiever, even though I''ve paid off my mortgage doing simple window cleaning. I see window cleaning as a means to an end. I don't see anyone in this game as a "Richard Branson" type of guy. Some have a few vans on the go etc. But we aren't life and death sort of people. If we don't clean Mrs Smiths windows, or Lloyds bank's windows, the world will still carry on.
Now plumbers, or leccies, or brickies, that's a different matter. I expect some egoes will be damaged mate, but we just clean windows. And that's it.
Some of the firms that do contract cleaning here have over 600 vehicles on the go, and that's not even the firms who work national. They see window cleaning as a by product of a cleaning contract and just subby it out. They buy and sell firms with a few vans.
That's the way I see it. Bottom of the food chain in the public eye. I don't care though, I only work 12 to 15 working days a month, and live a nice easy stress free life.
Stan Ogden or Richard Branson, big it up all you want mate ;)
Well written and i couldnt agree more.
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It takes years to 'waggle' a brush and a further year to learn how to open and close a valve. People don't realise the skill involved.
OK, you got me there Dave. It can be difficult. Maybe a 3 year course and 2 days a week in college would be right then. ;D
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Imagine, as a parent having to tell somebody that your Son is doing really well - he's just left school and landed an apprentiship .................................................................... in window cleaning :-[
Could be worse I suppose - your daughter could be an apprentice scrubber ............................ of solar panels!
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I would be interested to know what kind of work we are all talking about, because I don't believe anyone can be taught window cleaning that easy, yes some of you can but you have either got it, or you haven't, pretty simple really.
Please tell me what scale work we are on about ?
Houses ?
If you're talking about abseil work, or cherry picker, those are extra quals that can be taught in a very short time. Not enough to stretch a learning curve of over 3 years!!! One and 5 day courses for those kind of work. Hardly an apprenticeship, I think you'll agree?
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archer its g.brookes@brookesandsonswindowcleaning.co.uk bit of a mouthful i know!
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I have an apprentice, he is almost 19. He joined us in feb this year and is proving a real asset. You guys who say things like "you can train wfp in a day" or "its taking advantage" really are stuck inside your little box.
Sure I taught him the very basics in a day but if your running things as a business then I think there is so much more for the youngsters to learn. Good communication with the customer is not learned in a day it takes months if not years. Some of you out there don't have it now even after years of being a shiner.
Andrew was sruggling to find work as all the polish have taken the jobs he would normaly do as a school leaver. He now has a trade, confidence, experience, and the self belief that he is employable.
I have a hard worker who at first did not earn me much but I only have to pay him a low wage so that did not matter. Soon the govt will give me a grant which I will put towards training uniform and such. He is a real asset and at the end of his apprentiship he will be offered a full time job on a mans wage. I trust him to do a good job which is why I am laying on a beach sunbathing as I write this happy in the knowledge he is working hard for my company earning for us both.
+1 in many ways, including sitting on the beach today while the boys are earning! ;D
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Interesting thread this. Just for clarification, do some of you think you can teach someone everything there is to know about window cleaning in a couple of hours or days? It's not a trick question, but consider your answer carefully...it may affect your credibility on here.... ::)roll
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Turn it round the other way - how many of us on this forum served a windowcleaning apprentiship? How many of us taught ourselves? How many of us earned full money from day one?
Why would any youngster need to serve an apprentiship for such a simple job?
I served a five year apprentiship to learn how to be a printer. In those days you needed it - it was a skill. These days it's reduced to three years or less, the reason being that technology has erased much of the skills involved - if you can operate a computer the chances are you can run a printing machine. It's still a massive gap from wiping dirt off a window though.
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Turn it round the other way - how many of us on this forum served a windowcleaning apprentiship? How many of us taught ourselves? How many of us earned full money from day one?
No one. But the way I have read some posts seem to indicate you can teach window cleaning in a day or less.
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I taught myself in half an hour and was on full money (as opposed to a cut down apprentiship rate) from the second I did my first window.
You obviously didn't need an apprentiship either so why would anyone else?
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Turn it round the other way - how many of us on this forum served a windowcleaning apprentiship? How many of us taught ourselves? How many of us earned full money from day one?
No one. But the way I have read some posts seem to indicate you can teach window cleaning in a day or less.
Unless your a few sandwiches short then why cant you learn i. A day. I taught step dad in half a day trad and wfp, after 6 weeks he is spot on with both methods at a half decent speed maintaining his customers well getting tips from doing such a good job.
it would take longer to show someone how to fry an egg properly than clean a window properly.
As said no kid on this planet who did well at school would want to become a (sorry i have to laugh)....fully qualified window cleaner and do an apprentaship to become one! its drummed into them the way it was most of us that if they do badly at school all they will be worthy of when older is being a dustman or a window cleaner!.
I chose this job due to simplicity. Clean-collect. Clean-collect. Clean-collect. Throw in being reliable and doing a good job and thats about all the fundamentals involved.
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Interesting thread this. Just for clarification, do some of you think you can teach someone everything there is to know about window cleaning in a couple of hours or days? It's not a trick question, but consider your answer carefully...it may affect your credibility on here.... ::)roll
Sounding more like Mr Willis of Impact infamy Steve.
Now that WILL affect your credibility on here ::)roll
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Interesting thread this. Just for clarification, do some of you think you can teach someone everything there is to know about window cleaning in a couple of hours or days? It's not a trick question, but consider your answer carefully...it may affect your credibility on here.... ::)roll
Oh dear, I wouldn't want my credibility on here damaged would I? ;D ;D ;D I picked up a dolly and squeagy with a mate one day and he had some old sweat working for him that showed me the basics in 10 minutes.
I went off and canvassed a few streets and kicked off from there. I was employing other old sweats to help me get through my work within a few months. One of these guys actually showed me how to fan!!! Up until then, I was pulling windows off from one side to the other!!! And still earning enough to live off!!
I swear on my life, it''s the easiest "job" I've ever done. I admit, that when you take on commercial work like huge hospitals etc, you need to learn how to plan method and team org etc. But when all is said and done, who the hell "trained" me??
I never understand why some on here feel the need to big themselves up. I find it hillarious Knock yourselves out lads.Vision enhancement technicians ;D ;D
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Turn it round the other way - how many of us on this forum served a windowcleaning apprentiship? How many of us taught ourselves? How many of us earned full money from day one?
No one. But the way I have read some posts seem to indicate you can teach window cleaning in a day or less.
it would take longer to show someone how to fry an egg properly than clean a window properly.
Point made I think. :)
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The problem as I see it is selling it to youngsters and getting the right ones.
As I see it they'll fall into the following categories.
The bright acedemic ones: Won't want to clean windows
The thick ones: Would do it and think it was great but they're so thick you might not want em.
Not thick but not academics: Will see it for what it is and be a plumber instead. These would be the best ones but they'll
want full money more or less straight away if you can talk them into it.
;D
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Exactly. The people who would call about the apprenticeship you're offering would be that thick git from Emmerdale, Sam Dingle, or Kirk from Corrie.
Imagine the first day.................. right mate, here's the dolly, and squeegy, wet glass, place squeegy on the top left and ................... repeat until all windows are clean.
Tomorrow, how to clean frames. Next week, how to wash van. ::)roll Get a grip! ;D
Next month, squirty water pole thingy jiggling.
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G.brookes I will email you tomorrow,
I certainly don't know it all and I reckon my business is in a better position than most who are taking the p--- out of your thread.
No need to swear about it. There are always better ways of expressing yourself without doing that. Lowers the tone of this highly skilled trade. :D Here's a reminder of the CIU rules. HTH
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=46185.0
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Interesting thread this. Just for clarification, do some of you think you can teach someone everything there is to know about window cleaning in a couple of hours or days? It's not a trick question, but consider your answer carefully...it may affect your credibility on here.... ::)roll
You never seem to worry about yours. ;D
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Interesting thread this. Just for clarification, do some of you think you can teach someone everything there is to know about window cleaning in a couple of hours or days? It's not a trick question, but consider your answer carefully...it may affect your credibility on here.... ::)roll
You never seem to worry about yours. ;D
;D
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You can't be bothered answering that for one simple reason, and that's because most who are giving negative help CAN'T and don't know how to pick up good work.
That's the answer completely
Nice to see you back after your ban. Still a bit aggressive, but oh well. ;D
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That's it here we go again, answer me cozy, how much work do you pick up ?
You say everything else is easy, which I disagree with, so tell me how much work you have picked up this month, bearing in mind I have NEVER canvassed ever
??? Why are you attacking me? how do you know if and when I canvass? When were you last in Herford, Paderborn or Gütersloh in Germany where I work? How do you know what vehicle I drive or how many customers I have. How can you see from darkest Bolton where you have your caravan how my business is going? What is your major malfunction? You scare me. I've never had a stalker before. I don't know whether to be impressed or not. ???
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Just can't believe some people on here who are window cleaners try and belittle someone who puts a genuinely good question on.
If everything's so easy, ie window cleaning, abseiling, Waterfed poles, cherry Pickers etc which is what has been said, then I would like to know how easy you find it picking good work up ?
Please answer
G.brookes I will email you tomorrow,
No point EVER posting a thread on here because they all know it all.
I certainly don't know it all and I reckon my business is in a better position than most who are taking the p--- out of your thread.
We all have our opinions like I said just like, NOT everybody could learn abseiling, not that I can do it but some are good and others are not good, simple as that.
I will offer some help, or would you rather me give it the big one and pretend I know it all, because to be honest, that's not me, I will try and help.
Archer do you actualy truely believe that there is a need for apprentice window cleaners?
My daughter of 9 has learnt the job the last 2 weeks with me and today she cleaned 3 whole fronts by herself to which realy impressed me, it realy couldnt be anymore simpler to learn the job.
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Mick,
Someone asked a simple question for which he has been ridiculed and basically laughed at.
Yes I believe there is a place to take a young lad on to train up correctly, I really do and this is something I am also thinking about.
Your daughter is all fine going to work with you which is also nice to hear about, dad and daughter at work together, I think it's brilliant as there are many so called dads that don't have 2 minutes to spend with their kids.
I for one wouldn't knock that either, it just amazes me that some people seem to believe they know everything, when they clearly don't.
You've hit the nail on the head Archer "take a young lad and train him up correctly"
It's not an apprenticeship because that's something different altogether, yet training providers who want to make more money start creating more courses and making them more 'special' by saying its an apprenticeship.
All it needs is you as an experienced window cleaner imparting your knowledge.
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More phone calls on the way for me later :( E-mails too. Sad really. I have it on record. Angry little man. ::)roll
I'm not removing my details off my profile because of mongs that have little or no control either. My phone's on silent after 9 pm because of this rubbish
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This thread is nuts. So now we need a 'picking up work' apprenticeship too?
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Come on lads no winding Archer up again :D
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Cozy,
If you are clearly stating that I have telephoned you or emailed you, then please prove it, I have NEVER telephoned you or emailed you in my life.
I also believe that you ARE also Ben m.
I don't care for one minute if anyone takes me seriously, obviously you find it difficult to understand that someone who has started with absolutely nothing and struggled can achieve a decent business.
Just to let you know how easy it is to pick work up without doing any canvassing at all, and yes I will big myself up on this, I have picked up just over £45k worth of work this month
Not bad for a Mong is it, that has a caravan
Nice going.
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Cozy,
If you are clearly stating that I have telephoned you or emailed you, then please prove it, I have NEVER telephoned you or emailed you in my life.
I also believe that you ARE also Ben m.
I don't care for one minute if anyone takes me seriously, obviously you find it difficult to understand that someone who has started with absolutely nothing and struggled can achieve a decent business.
Just to let you know how easy it is to pick work up without doing any canvassing at all, and yes I will big myself up on this, I have picked up just over £45k worth of work this month
Not bad for a Mong is it, that has a caravan
oh no Archer please, i am not German, I am French, much better ;) ;D
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45k and living in a caravan too.
Best of all gypos don't have many outgoings either.
Sorry Archer couldn't resist :D
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Archer, you have totally contradicted yourself. You started with nothing and built up a business (same as all of us on here). You did this without an apprenticeship. Therefore you are living proof that an apprenticeship is not required to run a successful window cleaning business.
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I understand where archer is coming from and believe the word apprentice has been used out of context instead of a trainee.
If i wanted a manager or supervisor so to speak to run my business for me or even go out and work in a different van on his own all day then to have him know about my round as much as i know would take ages so starting someone as a trainee and if there good keeping them on and building round 2 with them is a time consuming yet time beneficial business step to take if wanting to grow properly where everything goes how you want it.
Window cleaning apprenticeship??? A defo no for me.
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"I don't live in a caravan, I have a static caravan that I bought for me and my family."
Gotta love that one Archer ;D :D
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Ben M,
Why are you trying to wind ARCHER up? The last time you were crying to the mods and acting like a baby
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Ben M,
Why are you trying to wind ARCHER up? The last time you were crying to the mods and acting like a baby
lol. I don't wind him up .
Anyway How can you judge on this thread? half of the posts have been deleted
I wasn't crying like a baby, just reported him for his bad behaviour.
Archer can be a lovely guy when he wants, like me ;D
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Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.
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Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.
Don't think so he was a bit wound up but not like last time.
So he's deleted his posts.
Just a healthy debate dont think Archer means any harm.
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Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.
Don't think so he was a bit wound up but not like last time.
So he's deleted his posts.
Just a healthy debate dont think Archer means any harm.
ah ok just when I seen the posts above.
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its great that you all have such strong opinions regarding the validity of the apprenticeship but thats not the point of the topic. i have already made my decision with an open mind and I was asking for some advice from others who have gone down this route , rather than 30 different versions of 'its waste of time' .
I appreciate you can say what you want etc but I do actually really want some info and you lot highjacking the thread may put off people with genuine responses to my thread. So I guess i'll have to look elsewhere
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You say your looking for genuine responses to your thread but if somebody says its a
waste of time then they are not giving not a genuine response.
The fact is if you want to pay somebody less money under the guise of a window cleaning apprenticeship
then go for it.
Us sensible types will take somebody on train them up and once they are up to speed pay the going rate.
Depending on the level of work required it might take one week or a month and to be honest if I had
somebody working for me who couldn't clean a window after a month then they wouldn't be working for
me.
Yes there are a number of extra skills that you will pick up with time [dealing with customers and so on]
but these wont effect output so don't warrant less pay or the guise of an apprenticeship.
If you want to find out ways of paying less than the going rate then yes do look elsewhere.
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That needed saying. Top answer. Hope it's not upset you Mr Brookes. If it has, I'm sure you'll get over it. Good luck finding the right candidate for this exciting new trade apprenticeship. ::)roll
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You say your looking for genuine responses to your thread but if somebody says its a
waste of time then they are not giving not a genuine response.
The fact is if you want to pay somebody less money under the guise of a window cleaning apprenticeship
then go for it.
Us sensible types will take somebody on train them up and once they are up to speed pay the going rate.
Depending on the level of work required it might take one week or a month and to be honest if I had
somebody working for me who couldn't clean a window after a month then they wouldn't be working for
me.
Yes there are a number of extra skills that you will pick up with time [dealing with customers and so on]
but these wont effect output so don't warrant less pay or the guise of an apprenticeship.
If you want to find out ways of paying less than the going rate then yes do look elsewhere.
+1 well said ;D
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Just one more point. If anyone is going to "train" these lucky apprentices, who trained the trainers? How long did that take, and what certificate does the brand new highly qualified window cleaner get in their hand when they complete this 3 year course?
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The government give you £3500 a year to take on a apprentice. If you pay them £10.000 a year thay dont have to pay tax thats £190 a week tax free and the £10.000 you pay them comes off your tax bill happy days im going for it.
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Q 1.is there any time served window cleaners on here?
2.what college did you do you apprenticeship at.?
3.how long was the apprenticeship.?
4.are you now a time served window cleaner with qualifications after doing the apprenticeship.?
A 1. NO
2. NONE DO AN APPRENTICESHIP.
3.THERE IS NO APPRENTICESHIP FOR WINDOW CLEANING.
4.NO SUCH THING AS TIME SERVED WINDOW CLEANER.
do you get it there is no such thing.
just get some one to work for you. no need to call them my apprentice.
its only window cleaning. hope that helps ;)
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well actually none of those responses helped!
If you have to make me repeat myself, i was not asking does anyone think an apprenticeship is a good idea, which is why the 'waste of time replies' are of no use to me. As i also said in the last post I have already made up my mind. if you are interested in debating the values or even the existence of a window cleaning apprentice then by all means set up another thread, as happens every few months and repeat the same opinions over and over again.
I was hoping to hear off people that have experience in hiring a window cleaning apprentice to ask them some technical questions.
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There is no apprenticeship in window cleaning mate. What could you ask someone about hiring one, or what the results of their training was if there was never an apprenticeship in the first place??
You asked a question about an apprenticeship in window cleaning. Hrere's the latest, there isn't one.
Can't wait to see if anyone answers that actually claim to have trained an apprentice in window cleaning. It could be a while until you find someone whos done it, but enjoy the wait.
Have your technical questions ready for when they do turn up on here though mate. Don't want to miss anything do ya? ;)
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you cant hire something that does not exist. ::)roll
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http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Types-of-Apprenticeships/Retail-and-Commercial-Enterprise/Cleaning-and-Environmental-Services.aspx
You could do a general cleaning apprentiship by the looks of things - cracking final salary too ;)
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Lol an apprentice window cleaner! Are you having a laugh???
Only takes a few days to show someone the ropes and a few months for them to master the techniques.
Strange I've been employing for years and every time I've taken on a new WC with no previous experience it takes an average 6 months before I'd class them as a capable all round WC difficult to get them potty trained for traditional window cleaning these days as so much more time is spent with the WFP.
I've trained up dozens from scratch over the years and some have stayed with me for years, others just a few months. I've always found it important to teach them the right way to do the job from day one, no short cuts and an extremely keen eye for attention to detail. You can get away with the odd bad window, but when your cleaning volume day in day out poor results will effect your business negatively. So for a long time your doing your work, but having to spot the new guys work for poor results, when you get to the stage where the WC understands an expectable result where you wont get pulled up by the customer you can start to relax and increase the volume of work on your day sheets :)
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Lol an apprentice window cleaner! Are you having a laugh???
Only takes a few days to show someone the ropes and a few months for them to master the techniques.
Strange I've been employing for years and every time I've taken on a new WC with no previous experience it takes an average 6 months before I'd class them as a capable all round WC difficult to get them potty trained for traditional window cleaning these days as so much more time is spent with the WFP.
I've trained up dozens from scratch over the years and some have stayed with me for years, others just a few months. I've always found it important to teach them the right way to do the job from day one, no short cuts and an extremely keen eye for attention to detail. You can get away with the odd bad window, but when your cleaning volume day in day out poor results will effect your business negatively. So for a long time your doing your work, but having to spot the new guys work for poor results, when you get to the stage where the WC understands an expectable result where you wont get pulled up by the customer you can start to relax and increase the volume of work on your day sheets :)
Which is basically what i said. i think 6 months is a bit extreme to master cleaning a window though! For example i trained my step dad 6 weeks ago, first few weeks he was on ohone constant asking for help and advice but now 6 weeks on he is upto speed and fully confident in what he is doing. I trained him to wfp tops and trad bottoms so has learnt both methods combined in 6 weeks.
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"Let it go now"
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Anyone else find it interesting how people class 'window cleaning' as running a squeegee over a window? Is it not so much more than that? PR skills, marketing, accounting, branding, purchasing. Are not all of these things part of window cleaning? I have had a number of trainees for 'window cleaning' over the years. The best are those who learn these other skills too.
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Anyone else find it interesting how people class 'window cleaning' as running a squeegee over a window? Is it not so much more than that? PR skills, marketing, accounting, branding, purchasing. Are not all of these things part of window cleaning? I have had a number of trainees for 'window cleaning' over the years. The best are those who learn these other skills too.
No they are life skills and common sence. Its obvious accounts,branding,purchasing,people skills,counting skills lol.
Come on get a grip all of us are only window cleaners and nothing special.
Window cleaning is as easy as running a squeegie over a window or a wfp over the paine. The rest like said round building, collecting, being branded, people skills are obvious and even the thickest of people can do them hence the sort of people you get being window cleaners! Beer boys, dull boys, tax avoiding boys, etc.
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Anyone else find it interesting how people class 'window cleaning' as running a squeegee over a window? Is it not so much more than that? PR skills, marketing, accounting, branding, purchasing. Are not all of these things part of window cleaning? I have had a number of trainees for 'window cleaning' over the years. The best are those who learn these other skills too.
Only for the boss. If they had those skills they would be running their own empire.
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John made a good post earlier, but forgot to add something. Some end up in this game and want to make it out to be bigger and more complicated than it is, or they feel as though they've hit the bottom of the pile.
This game is so easy that even Sam Dingle could do well after a few months at it. For God's sake, it's window cleaning. Any mong with 4 brain cells can build a round and earn money. Some of you are scared stiff of rejection and knocking doors, but still found a way to get enough work!!
Does anyone really want to say that there is an apprenticeship in this crap? I'm trying to keep a straight face here. ::)roll
Get over your egoes and settle for the fact that the summer brigade can make a hole in this game, and even with little or no idea how to clean a pane of glass, can earn a decent income.
Apprenticeship, what a joke!! Even your customers will and can clean their own windows if they have too. How small do you have to be to think you're better than a window cleaner.
Added later, I earn enough money in this game, more than most of my custies, so I've not got a low opinion of windies, but to see some of the muck posted about this game is bordering on the extreme silly. Get a grip lads.
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John made a good post earlier, but forgot to add something. Some end up in this game and want to make it out to be bigger and more complicated than it is, or they feel as though they've hit the bottom of the pile.
This game is so easy that even Sam Dingle could do well after a few months at it. For God's sake, it's window cleaning. Any mong with 4 brain cells can build a round and earn money. Some of you are scared stiff of rejection and knocking doors, but still found a way to get enough work!!
Does anyone really want to say that there is an apprenticeship in this crap? I'm trying to keep a straight face here. ::)roll
Get over your egoes and settle for the fact that the summer brigade can make a hole in this game, and even with little or no idea how to clean a pane of glass, can earn a decent income.
Apprenticeship, what a joke!! Even your customers will and can clean their own windows if they have too. How small do you have to be to think you're better than a window cleaner.
very good post :)
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Simon W,
What you have put is exactly on the same way as thinking as me.
Trouble is some of these that comment think cleaning a conservatory roof is a MASSIVE job, and are superhuman that they think in ten minutes they have mastered the art of window cleaning.
When sensible people make genuine comments to be helpfull the super humans that think they know everything try and put others down or make themselfs look good.
I want to learn from other window cleaners and I believe I am quite knowledgeable in how to pick work up, and carry the work out safely to the highest standards, but when I try and put my point of view across others find it amusing to take the ----, and seem to know everything.
Maybe they are happy doing what they do, and there is nothing wrong with that at all as long as they are happy doing their job.
As some clever people will obviously try to be clever at any comments I make, I started at the bottom working extremely hard, working mega long hours, changed and adapted to working at height regulations., introduced the WFP into my business years ago and have now got a decent business, yet others who are plodders make comments when really they don't have a clue.
Point will be proven when cozy and Ben m try to show others how clever they are by taking the Micky.
But for any of you that want to grow a successful business and need any help with anything, I can offer any help I can
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Archer they dont like anyone that is doing well.When someone puts some pics of big commercial work they all slagged him of.
This forum should have a commercial window cleaning section and a domestic window cleaning section.Then we wont have to read about this custy and that custy and this back gate and dog poo and how can i clean the inside of a window with mr mussel and just got 2 new jobs £5 a house AND go to work with the wife.pls
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Archer they dont like anyone that is doing well.When someone puts some pics of big commercial work they all slagged him of.
This forum should have a commercial window cleaning section and a domestic window cleaning section.Then we wont have to read about this custy and that custy and this back gate and dog poo and how can i clean the inside of a window with mr mussel and just got 2 new jobs £5 a house AND go to work with the wife.pls
You also forgot to mention "dump em and get two more" "my new pole and brush hard-on" "i earn £3000 every conny roof"
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Great idea to split it into commercial and domestic.
The domestics can just bitch and moan about how they just plod all day and how Mrs Miggins hates it when there's a puddle of water underneath her kitchen window.
Of course I forgot to mention how they long to have a few vans on the road but won't admit it.
The commercial guys can basque in their obvious superiority having "cracked" the cleaning windows game while comparing the size of their caravans..
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No DG, you can only go into some other section for angry morris dancers who started out at the bottom of the pile.
News flash for "helpful" angry wanabe Richard Bransons". We all start at the beginning. Some who are scared to knock or leaflet may buy some work and build from there. Others just go knocking and put a round together like that. Strange old world innit?? ;D
I think having a CIU section for "I only do commercial work" upper class "5 vans on the road" would be a great idea. These people could all meet up after Morris Dancing classes and compare poles and contract sheets. ;D ;D
They could have someone to mod the section that wants to tell everyone how nice and helpful he is and spouting about latest contracts etc. You could swap piccies of poles in a private section, who has the longest or most flexible etc ;) Phwooaare!! 8)
Anyway, just give Mike Boxall (forum owner) a shout and see if he will set up that section on here for you lot.
Back on subject. We're actually watching someone on here claiming to be in a position to train a "window cleaning apprentice" up to a none existant standard that nobody trained THEM to do in the first place. the proof is, all of us started with no training or real idea of how to go about working for ourselves.
Enjoy this opportunity to bathe in your own importance guys with contracts and poles. I'll just laugh as you pass by on the way to buy your apprentice his school books and pencils. Which tech college will they have to go to on Tuesdays?
You couldn't make this stuff up!!! PMSL ;D Hrere's some successful winies 30 years on. This could be you lot one day!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
;D
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Great idea to split it into commercial and domestic.
The domestics can just bitch and moan about how they just plod all day and how Mrs Miggins hates it when there's a puddle of water underneath her kitchen window.
Of course I forgot to mention how they long to have a few vans on the road but won't admit it.
The commercial guys can basque in their obvious superiority having "cracked" the cleaning windows game while comparing the size of their caravans..
Yalakedags? ;D
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Great idea to split it into commercial and domestic.
The domestics can just bitch and moan about how they just plod all day and how Mrs Miggins hates it when there's a puddle of water underneath her kitchen window.
Of course I forgot to mention how they long to have a few vans on the road but won't admit it.
The commercial guys can basque in their obvious superiority having "cracked" the cleaning windows game while comparing the size of their caravans..
Yalakedags? ;D
;D ;D
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No DG, you can only go into some other section for angry morris dancers who started out at the bottom of the pile.
News flash for "helpful" angry wanabe Richard Bransons". We all start at the beginning. Some who are scared to knock or leaflet may buy some work and build from there. Others just go knocking and put a round together like that. Strange old world innit?? ;D
I think having a CIU section for "I only do commercial work" upper class "5 vans on the road" would be a great idea. These people could all meet up after Morris Dancing classes and compare poles and contract sheets. ;D ;D
They could have someone to mod the section that wants to tell everyone how nice and helpful he is and spouting about latest contracts etc. You could swap piccies of poles in a private section, who has the longest or most flexible etc ;) Phwooaare!! 8)
Anyway, just give Mike Boxall (forum owner) a shout and see if he will set up that section on here for you lot.
Back on subject. We're actually watching someone on here claiming to be in a position to train a "window cleaning apprentice" up to a none existant standard that nobody trained THEM to do in the first place. the proof is, all of us started with no training or real idea of how to go about working for ourselves.
Enjoy this opportunity to bathe in your own importance guys with contracts and poles. I'll just laugh as you pass by on the way to buy your apprentice his school books and pencils. Which tech college will they have to go to on Tuesdays?
You couldn't make this stuff up!!! PMSL ;D Hrere's some successful winies 30 years on. This could be you lot one day!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
;D
Lol excellant.
I totally agree.
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Still need an apprenticeship in window cleaning Jimi mate?
anyone can push a pole about
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Like I had posted,
completely twisted.
Jimiwindows = totally agree with you and MWC
As for cozy,
Regarding comment of commercial only 5 vans on the road crap.
Please tell me why you go to work ?????????????????
I reckon its so you can earn a living, and with that comes earning money, when you earn the money you spend it on bills, holidays, kids etc
So I reckon you do this basically to do well for yourself, because that's why I work.
Now I also reckon that because you are not either driven enough, clever enough, or have a lucky break you take great pleasure to try and be a comic by slagging off and trying to put down other members on this forum, me included because your either jealous of someone trying to make a business grow or your just plain and simple, I believe its both.
If I had read on here that YOU had come from nothing, with pretty poor background, worked your nuts off to better yourself for you, your missus and your family, I can truly say that I would think to myself well done, and I personally would try and educate myself to see how I could do the same.
Even though I certainly do not like you, just because of you constantly trying to be clever at others that HAVE worked their way up from nothing, I expect you to perform to the others on here by coming back with crayon remarks, morris dancing, anything like that.
But just think of this one, while I am sat here banging my head on my keyboard offering help to others, I AM earning a good living, and for that reason alone any NORMAL person on this forum that wants to do better for themselves, can make the decision as to who is the cleaver one, and who is the idiot.
Oh yes, don't forget to sign in as BEN M and agree with everything Cozy writes.
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Look Archer, stop typing with your forehead, it leaves bruises. You take yourself too seriously mate. I dont dislike anyone on here really. I laugh at the way you get upset and abusive, then get banned again for a few days.
I couldn't really give a monkey's if you are doing well or if you only have 15 old biddies bungalows to clean.
You need to chill out and spend more time telling us all about how great you are. I'm off to do a bit more work on my garden for a bit, but promise to read what you've taken hours to type later. ;D
Here's a tip though, try using more than one finger when typing, and don't forget, tipex only works on paper, not on a screen. ;D Bet your keyboard is covered in spaghetti hoops by now anyway.
See you later! Please stop calling me after 9pm by the way, my phone is on silent after then because of your silly childish threats.
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Right get this straight,
I didn't phone anyone threatening them like is constantly put on here, I didn't phone anyone up in the middle of the night so get that in your thick heads.
However, whoever has just phoned me up off 2 mobile numbers one of which starts 07599368 or 07875572 threatening and abusive, congratulations one my daughter heard it.
What I will tell you is this, I have a trace on my line from Vodafone, and usually it would be 3 nuisance calls before they get involved but this is now being looked into.
What that means is, i am not bothered about the phone calls, but I will find out which one of you it is, and that's for definite.
I will take this as far as I can, and I will prosecute, which means I will see you in court, and will obviously be told all your information.
So get as many phone calls in as you can
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Right Cozy,
end of.
I aint carrying on this crap - leave it
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Archer im surprised you realy believe that apprentaships should be given to wanabe window cleaners?. I thought you had a bit of savvy between your ears.
According to jim in london he can charge £5 per window i mean what a complete tool. I find it funny guys on here trying to add a few inches down below to make themselfs feel better(not aimed at you archer as you do make a lot of sence) but the sheep that follow with crap like splitting sections for commercial and domestic i mean come on man we are all only window cleaners weather 1 van or 10. The same prinsiple stays by gaining enough work to warrant wether its commercial or domestic.
Jim at £5 per window im guessing you must be a near millionaire lmao.
Total tool!.
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Right Cozy,
IF you put anything else on this forum to say I am constantly phoning you I WILL prosecute you simple as that.
It is Slander, I HAVE NOT telephoned you like you say I am.
I have printed off your comments and believe me on my kids life, I WILL contact my solicitor.
I am sick of you saying I have phoned or threated you which I haven't.
I mean it, on my dads grave you write anything else about me phoning you up I will seriously contact my solicitor.
The best thing you can do is stop saying that on here, seriously because you are not making out that I am phoning you when im clearly not.
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Archer, I get a call off you every time you get upset on here or Utd loose to us. I laugh it off as it shows my missed calls on my phone if they're not answered. Hardly difficult to see your number on there. Every time you get shown up when you post on here after a night down the pub. You get upset and delete posts where you've swore and threatened.
I find it amusing really, and I've never reported you for it, but to me, it's all part of the fun of watching you get bent out of shape when you don't get the respect you crave.
Jog on mate. Keep the faith. My web site is on my profile with all my details, and you have my number already ::)roll
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Cozy needs a ticket to banville for being personal and not keeping it to window cleaning subjects.
Cozy is just trying to wind people up like another keyboard warrior, nothing but a child!
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Cozy,
I have NOT phoned you or threatened you,
but believe me keep saying I am phoning you up and threatening you I seriously will take legal action against you, and that's a promise.
Leave it alone and stop putting it, because by you putting that the rest of the planks on here are believing you
Yes I get brassed off with you, and yes I do not like you, but I have not been phoning you up, so you believe what you will.
Stop putting it on here, Please
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Best way to stop me telling the truth about it is for you to stop phoning me.!!! Leave out the drink or whatever it is that makes you lose control mate. I find it silly and shows weakness to resort to that sort of thing.
Just stick to posturing and strutting about on CIU. That seems to make you happy, and just ignore others who support other teams etc.
I already said that it doesn't really bother me that you do it. It's your time and money, so knock yaself out mate. ::)roll
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Well i guess the two things I have learnt since starting this topic are that its not worth posting anythings slightly out of the ordinary on here, and also there are a lot of unhappy people on here making themselves feel better by putting others down.
Some embittered people would say its a perfect example of life in general.
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Well i guess the two things I have learnt since starting this topic are that its not worth posting anythings slightly out of the ordinary on here, and also there are a lot of unhappy people on here making themselves feel better by putting others down.
Some embittered people would say its a perfect example of life in general.
You're not wrong there mate, Archer can be annoying at times. ::)roll
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Well i guess the two things I have learnt since starting this topic are that its not worth posting anythings slightly out of the ordinary on here, and also there are a lot of unhappy people on here making themselves feel better by putting others down.
Some embittered people would say its a perfect example of life in general.
You're not wrong there mate, Archer can be annoying at times. ::)roll
I reckon he was refering to you Cozy. ;D. :o
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G.brookes,
I will email you now mate to offer any help I can
I will NOT be posting on this thread again, I have said all I need to
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For goodness sake LOCKED!!
Let's keep this lighy guys, this can be seen as cyber bullying and
taken very seriously, enough is enough!
Archer was merely giving the guy advice., which is what we're all here for so let's "Clean It Up"