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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: benny donnelly on August 01, 2013, 12:06:40 am
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Do any of you use the newer Hiace? Im looking for a new van and am wrecking my head looking tbh, something reliable is most important, I want to avoid Traffics/Vivaros etc and have a shortlist of a Transit or the Hiace, the Hiace is 120bhp 2.5 litre engine, are these sluggish and hard on diesel as many Hiace owners of the older model have told me but its something that will put up with as they are bullet proof and never let you down.
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fords rust and they rust quick rust will end a ford way before the engine fails i saw a ford transit the other day only 2 years old rust all over it have no idea why ppl would buy a ford my van is 13 years old not one bit of rust anywhere i always say rust, cam belt, and gear box, will end any van or car but a gear box can be replaced and a broken cam belt can be replaced and engine can be fixed but rust is a losing battle no matter how much u try and fix it will keep coming back and end up costing a lot of money or writing of your van fords have good engines cheap on parts but the body and frame work of them rust very bad. Toyota hiace all the way mate you wont regret it. ;)
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I saw a Toyota Hiace van recently for sale with 300,000 miles on the clock!
A true workhorse.
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I have the Hiace. I bought it because I couldn't find any reliability issues on the net. 2.4 engine. I think they are less than 120bhp.
A bit agricultural compared to a vauxhall but enough power for me. They don't import them any more. I'd buy another though.
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the newest hiace is a rebadged citroen ::)roll
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bombproff but thirsty on fuel. you can argue that you would spent at least an extra £1000 on fuel each year in a Hiace , over 5 yrs thats 5000 ,or the cost of a new gearbox /engine on the Renault trafic. .
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robertphil i always listen to your vehicle advise on here its always spot on, were you anything to do with motors in a previous career ?
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bombproff but thirsty on fuel. you can argue that you would spent at least an extra £1000 on fuel each year in a Hiace , over 5 yrs thats 5000 ,or the cost of a new gearbox /engine on the Renault trafic. .
Yeah I have heard the only downside is how thirsty they can be and some can be fairly sluggish with it loaded but it never stops...what would you recommend? Reason i dont want to go with a traffic is after owning one i think they are poorly put together, always something small wrong with it, ive replaced alot of things on it and am forever in the motor factors handing over my hard earned, i havent had engine issues but had to replace gearbox, only I do all my own work on the van I would have put a match to it long time ago as at this stage you would be talking a couple of grand labour a mechanic would have charged for all the work...
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bombproff but thirsty on fuel. you can argue that you would spent at least an extra £1000 on fuel each year in a Hiace , over 5 yrs thats 5000 ,or the cost of a new gearbox /engine on the Renault trafic. .
Yeah I have heard the only downside is how thirsty they can be and some can be fairly sluggish with it loaded but it never stops...what would you recommend? Reason i dont want to go with a traffic is after owning one i think they are poorly put together, always something small wrong with it, ive replaced alot of things on it and am forever in the motor factors handing over my hard earned, i havent had engine issues but had to replace gearbox, only I do all my own work on the van I would have put a match to it long time ago as at this stage you would be talking a couple of grand labour a mechanic would have charged for all the work...
There seems to be a re-occurring theme about the Renault Traffic, you sound like one of many unhappy owners.
Shame because they look a decent van.
Im thinking of buying a mid-range van (transit,vivaro,etc) but there seems to be a lot of crap for sale if over 3 or 4 years old.
Finding a decent one with FULL service history is a hard task. ::)roll
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what mpg do they get then ?
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bombproff but thirsty on fuel. you can argue that you would spent at least an extra £1000 on fuel each year in a Hiace , over 5 yrs thats 5000 ,or the cost of a new gearbox /engine on the Renault trafic. .
Yeah I have heard the only downside is how thirsty they can be and some can be fairly sluggish with it loaded but it never stops...what would you recommend? Reason i dont want to go with a traffic is after owning one i think they are poorly put together, always something small wrong with it, ive replaced alot of things on it and am forever in the motor factors handing over my hard earned, i havent had engine issues but had to replace gearbox, only I do all my own work on the van I would have put a match to it long time ago as at this stage you would be talking a couple of grand labour a mechanic would have charged for all the work...
There seems to be a re-occurring theme about the Renault Traffic, you sound like one of many unhappy owners.
Shame because they look a decent van.
Im thinking of buying a mid-range van (transit,vivaro,etc) but there seems to be a lot of crap for sale if over 3 or 4 years old.
Finding a decent one with FULL service history is a hard task. ::)roll
Yeah they do look like a nice van, they drive and handle just like a car and are comfortable to drive but they are far to troublesome imo...just when you have sorted one thing with it the engine management light comes on again with another issue or a new knock/rattle starts...most recent issue was the central locking when I locked van it would reopen again itself, sometimes not straight away but you would be working away come back to van and its sitting there unlocked! got that problem fixed next the rear door locks refuse to lock and needed replaced and now there is a problem with it starting sometimes which I think has something to do with the immobiliser...so my advise stay well away from them, reason I thought of Hiace is alot of owner would highly recommend them and with transits sure they are known for being work horses but big down side as mention by someone here is rust with them, if I have the cash I would prob go with a transporter but man they are top dollar!
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bombproff but thirsty on fuel. you can argue that you would spent at least an extra £1000 on fuel each year in a Hiace , over 5 yrs thats 5000 ,or the cost of a new gearbox /engine on the Renault trafic. .
Really? Just how much do you spend on fuel? Do you drive a Hiace? Have you measured its fuel economy, or are your numbers just made up?
I spent £1,197 on fuel last year for my Hiace. Please tell me what van I could have driven to allow me to drive the same distance for £197. I have a VERY full (and quite large) round, by the way.
Vin
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Really? Just how much do you spend on fuel? Do you drive a Hiace? Have you measured its fuel economy, or are your numbers just made up?
I spent £1,197 on fuel last year for my Hiace. Please tell me what van I could have driven to allow me to drive the same distance for £197. I have a VERY full (and quite large) round, by the way.
Vin
I agree that £1000 saving is optimistic but to be fair if you work that back -
£1197 / £1.40 ish (conservative) is 855L or 188 Gallons assuming you get 30MPG (conservative assuming a full load) that's only 5640 miles.
I know that each of my 'vans' do at least 3 times that.
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robertphil i always listen to your vehicle advise on here its always spot on, were you anything to do with motors in a previous career ?
good guess,i was a mechanic ,a long time
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Ah, but I don't do three times that mileage, despite what I would consider to be a non compact round. I'm just trying to point out that anyone can make up numbers.
Anyways, even taking your maths, you'd be spending £3,591 at 30mpg.
To spend only £2,591 (to save the fictional £1,000 a year to pay for repairs) you'd need to achieve 42mpg. Unlikely. Possible, but very, very unlikely.
Vin
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i was just saying , the big tough vans such as Hiace, Vito and similar are never good on fuel economy and always higher cost to buy initially so you have to wager that into the equation
you will spend a small fortune on fuel driving for example a Merc yet it will never break down,or you can drive a Citroen and thatll sip fuel by comparison but you run the risk of things breaking because its not so strongly built and might cost you in the pocket in a different way
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i was just saying , the big tough vans such as Hiace, Vito and similar are never good on fuel economy and always higher cost to buy initially so you have to wager that into the equation
you will spend a small fortune on fuel driving for example a Merc yet it will never break down,or you can drive a Citroen and thatll sip fuel by comparison but you run the risk of things breaking because its not so strongly built and might cost you in the pocket in a different way
Do you rate the transporters, t28 102?
They don't import the Hiace anymore.
Tony
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Check this out
http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/road-test-reports/Toyota/Hiace/
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Change a lightbulb or a gearbox? I know what I'd rather do.
http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/road-test-reports/Vauxhall/Vivaro/
http://www.roadtestreports.co.uk/road-test-reports/Renault/Trafic/
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i was just saying , the big tough vans such as Hiace, Vito and similar are never good on fuel economy and always higher cost to buy initially so you have to wager that into the equation
you will spend a small fortune on fuel driving for example a Merc yet it will never break down,or you can drive a Citroen and thatll sip fuel by comparison but you run the risk of things breaking because its not so strongly built and might cost you in the pocket in a different way
Do you rate the transporters, t28 102?
They don't import the Hiace anymore.
Tony
iv no really recent knowledge as iv not been a mechanic since 2007. i remember that VWvans were always pretty reliable but usually a swine to work on and parts prices often high
i think if i was buying a van to cart a bit of weight in id buy a cheap Citroen medium size van and make sure id traded it in before it passed 80k miles .
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I think VW reliability is a myth - I've had loads and every one broke down.
VW camper - dropped a valve at 70,000
VW polo - caught fire
VW T28 - five cylinder petrol - would never start
VW Convertable Beetle alarm system failed, window motors failed
VW Jetta - everything failed
VW UP not broken down yet but clutch and gearbox is rubbish.
Son had a VW transporter five cylinder diesel engine - garage announced the engine was kaput at 60,000 and wanted NINE GRAND! for a new engine ::)roll
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Right lads new van needed asap this one of mine is going, sat outside customers house today trying to start it while pretending to be on the phone to hide the shame :o
I think ill opt for a Transit tbh, they are on the roads this years cant be that bad just have to look after the body for signs of any rust, parts are everywhere and very reasonable, there is a lad not to far from me breaks only transits and has a field full of them..
So can anyone recommend a model with a bit of poke in it and what one to go for with a 500 litre system on board?
Cheers
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hi mate i have a 59 plate transit trend 125ps 2.4 and it go,s like stink and thats loaded.
if i can find some picks i will put them up on here
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I'm very pleased with my Hyundai iload. But then I should think so - I've only done 8000 miles in a year and a half.
2.5L Diesel 116bhp. Highest torque in it's class 343nm. RWD, nice turning circle, converts from two seats with paper tray/drinks slots or three seats. Air con. About 25/26mpg with my round town driving.
1060kg payload.
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I had an old Hiace til about a month ago when some dipstick ran into it now got an old transit . Hiace far better only prob was oil leak always started son had it for 6 months and didnt break it so must be bullet proof
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I'm very please with my Hyundai iload. But then I should think so - I've only done 8000 miles in a year and a half.
2.5L Diesel 116bhp. Highest torque in it's class 343nm. RWD, nice turning circle, converts from two seats with paper tray/drinks slots or three seats. Air con. About 25/26mpg with my round town driving.
1060kg payload.
Long warranty too aren't they?
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hi mate i have a 59 plate transit trend 125ps 2.4 and it go,s like stink and thats loaded.
if i can find some picks i will put them up on here
Yeah be interested to see couple pics!
What it like on juice?
Ive been searching online most of the evening and have a couple lined up to see tomorrow.
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Really? Just how much do you spend on fuel? Do you drive a Hiace? Have you measured its fuel economy, or are your numbers just made up?
I spent £1,197 on fuel last year for my Hiace. Please tell me what van I could have driven to allow me to drive the same distance for £197. I have a VERY full (and quite large) round, by the way.
Vin
I agree that £1000 saving is optimistic but to be fair if you work that back -
£1197 / £1.40 ish (conservative) is 855L or 188 Gallons assuming you get 30MPG (conservative assuming a full load) that's only 5640 miles.
I know that each of my 'vans' do at least 3 times that.
You sure? 90MPG?!
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I'm very pleased with my Hyundai iload. But then I should think so - I've only done 8000 miles in a year and a half.
2.5L Diesel 116bhp. Highest torque in it's class 343nm. RWD, nice turning circle, converts from two seats with paper tray/drinks slots or three seats. Air con. About 25/26mpg with my round town driving.
1060kg payload.
Long warranty too aren't they?
Yes. 5yrs.
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Really? Just how much do you spend on fuel? Do you drive a Hiace? Have you measured its fuel economy, or are your numbers just made up?
I spent £1,197 on fuel last year for my Hiace. Please tell me what van I could have driven to allow me to drive the same distance for £197. I have a VERY full (and quite large) round, by the way.
Vin
I agree that £1000 saving is optimistic but to be fair if you work that back -
£1197 / £1.40 ish (conservative) is 855L or 188 Gallons assuming you get 30MPG (conservative assuming a full load) that's only 5640 miles.
I know that each of my 'vans' do at least 3 times that.
You sure? 90MPG?!
90mpg? Ha not a chance. I meant at least 3x as many miles.
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i would think most folk would rack up 15k in their van each year . Dave Willis is lucky in that he doesnt do much driving ,so owning a gas guzzler has little effect on him .
earlier in the thread Dave you mentioned all those unreliable VWs you had,why to god did you keep on buying them then? perhaps deep down youre a masochist ,
when that valve dropped on your VWcamper did you smile to yourself?? go on,admit it if you like to be spanked in your wallet
i knew of a guy like that-heres a true story - he would go buy his shopping at LIDL but on the walk home would sling his carrier bags full of food over somebodys garden wall
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I've owned several vehicles over the years Citroens too but all the VW's gave trouble. The dropped valve was on an air cooled camper van. My Citroens both broke down in the first week from new due to poor electrics.
I've just remembered another VW I owned for about a month - I went to the local garage who specialized in servicing VW's for some parts. When I quoted the engine number they fell about laughing. It was a particular engine that was so bad that the mechanics would mark it with tipex and put bets on as to whether it would get as far as the first service :o
I don't know where the reputation for the Hiace being a gas guzzler comes from - all the research I did before buying one suggested they were pretty economical (deisel). I've not found it heavy on fuel even on a 500mile return trip to Grimsby.
Amazingly the Fiat Doblo vans seem pretty reliable according to people on this forum who use them - only 1300 deisels engine too.
Most vehicles have an Achilles heel Renaults, Vauxhall and Nissan seemed to have gearbox issues, Transits appear to be rust and injectors. Citroen possibly electrics although I had a Despatch that was problem free.
The VW my son drove was a cracking van bought from new - lasted three years before it was deemed fit for the bin by the main dealers - just made it out of the warranty period.
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i sense you MIGHT be one of those vehicle masochists Dave . the Tippex story lends weight to my theory
do you load your van up with everything WFP that you can cram in ...
and then the kitchen sink -just so that it can use more fuel
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No, just unlucky to be drawn in by the VW marketing hype.
Unfortunately regarding camper vans there never was much choice. Transits just weren't cool.
VW also made a diabolical gearbox for a while but they've managed to keep quiet on that one.
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i would think most folk would rack up 15k in their van each year . Dave Willis is lucky in that he doesnt do much driving ,so owning a gas guzzler has little effect on him .
Interesting. With no supportable facts stated you conclude:
"Most" window cleaners would rack up 15k a year.
Think it through. You work about 45 weeks a year after holidays, etc. 15K miles would be 333 miles a week, or 67 miles a day. Really? Where are all these people working? My round's spread all over Southampton and surroundings and is one of the least compact ones I know. The furthest house I go is ten miles away, so even on a day containing that job, unless I drove round in circles once I got there, I couldn't possibly rack up 67 miles.
What an amazing thing is the internet.
Vin
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No, just unlucky to be drawn in by the VW marketing hype.
Unfortunately regarding camper vans there never was much choice. Transits just weren't cool.
VW also made a diabolical gearbox for a while but they've managed to keep quiet on that one.
For years whenever anyone spoke about VW reliability I've pointed out that the ONLY source of that was their campaign "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen". It was swallowed hook, line and sinker and became blindly accepted and repeated ad nauseam. Great marketing but no basis in fact.
Vin
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"Most" window cleaners would rack up 15k a year.
Think it through. You work about 45 weeks a year after holidays, etc. 15K miles would be 333 miles a week, or 67 miles a day. Really? Where are all these people working? My round's spread all over Southampton and surroundings and is one of the least compact ones I know. The furthest house I go is ten miles away, so unless I drove round in circles once I got there, I could't possibly rack up 67 miles.
What an amazing thing is the internet.
Vin
I cannot speak for 'most' window cleaners but I have multiple rounds and ALL of them cover MORE THAN 15K per year.
ALL of them.
If your furthest house is only 10 miles away I'd say you have a VERY compact round compared to most. But, like I said, I cannot speak for 'most' window cleaners.
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For years whenever anyone spoke about VW reliability I've pointed out that the ONLY source of that was their campaign "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen". It was swallowed hook, line and sinker and became blindly accepted and repeated ad nauseam. Great marketing but no basis in fact.
Vin
I'm not on the 'argue with Vin bus' but I have owned 3 Golfs and 1 Jetta, cracking cars, very little problems with them...
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If your furthest house is only 10 miles away I'd say you have a VERY compact round compared to most. But, like I said, I cannot speak for 'most' window cleaners.
'Most' of the window cleaners to reply on these threads would tend to agree:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=173766.0
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=164324.20
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My van covers about 5000 miles a year. Farthest custy 10/12 miles.
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im also looking for a new van, but needs a payload of around 1.2
Regarding issues, its not very helpful to look on the internet. For every person who types on a forum about a gearbox problem there are a thousand people who have no problems and dont post that on the internet. The renault trafic is a very very popular van so the fact theres a large number of complaints doesnt really tell you very much. Best off just ringing a few garages and getting their advice i think. Personally ive settled on either a trafic, vivaro or transit
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i would think most folk would rack up 15k in their van each year . Dave Willis is lucky in that he doesnt do much driving ,so owning a gas guzzler has little effect on him .
Interesting. With no supportable facts stated you conclude:
"Most" window cleaners would rack up 15k a year.
Think it through. You work about 45 weeks a year after holidays, etc. 15K miles would be 333 miles a week, or 67 miles a day. Really? Where are all these people working? My round's spread all over Southampton and surroundings and is one of the least compact ones I know. The furthest house I go is ten miles away, so even on a day containing that job, unless I drove round in circles once I got there, I couldn't possibly rack up 67 miles.
What an amazing thing is the internet.
Vin
i based the 15k on the fact that i do 15k plus most vans and cars do 15k or more a year .
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I'm very pleased with my Hyundai iload. But then I should think so - I've only done 8000 miles in a year and a half.
2.5L Diesel 116bhp. Highest torque in it's class 343nm. RWD, nice turning circle, converts from two seats with paper tray/drinks slots or three seats. Air con. About 25/26mpg with my round town driving.
1060kg payload.
I looked at one of these while I was waiting for someone near the Hyundai dealer. Very impressive!
How much did you pay (if you don't mind me asking) and what toys do you get as standard?
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hi mate i have a 59 plate transit trend 125ps 2.4 and it go,s like stink and thats loaded.
if i can find some picks i will put them up on here
Yeah be interested to see couple pics!
What it like on juice?
Ive been searching online most of the evening and have a couple lined up to see tomorrow.
i get around the 36 mpg most of that is town driving. will take some pics the week end
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If your furthest house is only 10 miles away I'd say you have a VERY compact round compared to most. But, like I said, I cannot speak for 'most' window cleaners.
'Most' of the window cleaners to reply on these threads would tend to agree:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=173766.0
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=164324.20
So you're basing your guess of how many miles people cover in a year on answers to a question about how far they would drive to get to a hypothetical £200 job? How many rounds are based on jobs like that, I wonder?
Marvellous.
Vin
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You may have noticed that I like evidence, so here's the area I cover.
Compact, it is not.
http://goo.gl/maps/216oi
Vin
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You may have noticed that I like evidence, so here's the area I cover.
Compact, it is not.
http://goo.gl/maps/216oi
Vin
Eh? That looks pretty compact to me.
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Well, I'm planning on 30 franchisees in that area in a few years. So it's NOT compact, in any way, shape or form.
Vin
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I have two 02 hiace vans ,never had any issues with either van .both have gone through the mot every year with no work needed.
don't know about the new ones though.
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So it's NOT compact, in any way, shape or form.
Lol
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Right lads been and took a Transit for a good long test drive, it was a T260 s 85 2.2l FWD, have to say even with the van empty it took an age to gather any speed nearly having to redline it in each low gear to get it going, so I can only imagine it loaded and struggling on motorway/uphill etc
Maybe its just the model I tried? Can anyone advise which is the better model for our line of work? Also should I be going for a fwd as oppose to rwd?
I preferable dont want a lwb/mwb high roof if I can get away it but hey if the right model has them I can live with it.
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I think that there is a T280 or something that has higher BHP. They need a dual mass clutch though and if it goes it's £££
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I'm very pleased with my Hyundai iload. But then I should think so - I've only done 8000 miles in a year and a half.
2.5L Diesel 116bhp. Highest torque in it's class 343nm. RWD, nice turning circle, converts from two seats with paper tray/drinks slots or three seats. Air con. About 25/26mpg with my round town driving.
1060kg payload.
I looked at one of these while I was waiting for someone near the Hyundai dealer. Very impressive!
How much did you pay (if you don't mind me asking) and what toys do you get as standard?
£15,300 "Comfort" model.
No "toys" unless you count aircon, leccy mirrors and six speeds.
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i would wager that the Hyundai and the Hiace would be evenly matched if pitted in a tug of war .
id quite like to see it in fact, i would pay £100 to whoever wins . 20 metre bullrope tied over each axle vans parked back-to-back
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I've had a 2001 Toyota Hiace Powervan for 18 months... Its a bit thirsty on fuel, but nothing has gone wrong with it at all - It's been brilliant.
I'm hoping to get a newer van next year and will definitely get another Hiace.
Andy
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I think vw reputation for reliability comes from tnere older vehicles, they were much more solidly built.
I have put 55000 miles on a t4 2.5 transporter in eighteen months without missing a beat , they feel like they will last forever.
The older golfs and Corrado etc were the same.
Most vehiclez now are built like a disposable item including vws.
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I was just about to add to this post and say how in the last 3 years
Ive had a side light bulb go , but today cracked radiator bonnet
Catch cable broke and handbreak cable snapped. Still not bad as
Done more than 100,000 in last 3 years .