Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Stephen.C on July 28, 2013, 11:25:58 am
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As my book is almost full I'm finding it very hard to take on any new work.
I'm Having a chat at some point with a ciu member about how he went about taking on someone.
I will be interested to see how you guys went about it. I have done weeding in the round bad payers slow payers
and rubbish work replaced with better quality and pricing much higher than normal.
Thanks Steve.
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i put an ad in my local shop window "helper wanted ,parttime" . keep all the details of those that ring up so you dont have to rely on any 1st call waster. first question i ask is "what height are you? what weight? " if they say im not telling you my weight alarm bells should ring.
later -when you meet them and see they are just about 5foot 6 and not 6 foot as they told me ,indicates a liar, its a small detail but believe me best dont get involved if they are loud braggers and/or liars
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I took on a mate of mine and it's the best thing I ever did, he is in his 50s but completely trustworthy and a real grafter, we run 2 vans and occasionally double up together , prior to that I had part time youngsters but they didn't work out as slightly work shy
Graham
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what about all the hassles of doing wages working out NI. risk assessments, training and the like . Is it worth the hassle ? I ask as Its something I may have to consider in the next year or so..
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everybody seems to have a rocky start when you first start employing, i know i did
but well worth it in the end in my opinion , the paperwork isnt too bad and you go online to get a employers disc from Her Maj
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Totally worth it
It can move your biz forward faster than you think and your roll changes from operator
To manager you spend less time on the glass and more getting more work etc..
You need to be fair with your pay and work conditions. And trust them you can only do that by doing proper interviews and trial periods
I now watch the vans go out some mornings without me and that's a very strange feeling !
Darran
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Sounds good to me Smudger!
Bet your still grafting but in a different way...
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Yep never seems to stop 8)
Darran
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Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000) a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
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I think the problem is the transition from Solo to a crew of two. The round needs building to double the number of jobs. Until this happens the solo operator is naturally taking an income hit...
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I think the problem is the transition from Solo to a crew of two. The round needs building to double the number of jobs. Until this happens the solo operator is naturally taking an income hit...
Yes you hit the nail on the head, but i'm stuck I just don't have any more room on my own. I'm having a chat two lads on ciu about it all that I know who have taken on staff.
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Stephen you cant build to a two man teams worth then employ, you will never cover it unless you have casuals on board, i started employing on a speculate to accumulate basis, my employee has most of the round and im canvassing and doing first cleans, you will take a slight income hit but if you work hard the work will come at a steady pace, the route i took prior to employing was to have a part timer and ran off a trolley system then i went to a 2nd van with a full time employee.
Graham
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Would it not be easiest to put on a non experienced window cleaner, a decent fella looking for a job. Get him to learn the ropes doing bottoms only, or organising hoses etc if you are WFP. After about a week, he would be able to cover his wage at least in the speed increase, you can then take on those extra houses that you get asked to do.
Once he has got up to speed, teach him to use ladders(or better still employ someone with ladder experience in a different field perhaps). Then when he is right to go, send him on his own. He will still only need £10 an hour max and you can use some of your free time to go and get more business.
Find a people person to do the job and make part of his role to do some door knocking as well. Get a bloke with his own van too. Those aren't too much criteria to ask for when choosing someone, there are plenty of out of work plasterers, brickies, painters etc that would gladly take up a wage these days.
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Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
But it's not £12000 a year extra profit. It's £12000 a year extra turn over.
Andy
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Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000) a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
If your paying £10 ph for only £25 on the windows you are making no where near 12k (which as stated is turnover) you have not allowed for holiday pay 20 days/ bank holidays addition tax contributions employers insurance addition running costs etc..
Darran
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Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000) a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
Too true. There's a muppet on here reckons he clears £400 a day, so after all associated expenses, per two man team.
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He is employing at £10 an hour and bringing in £25 an hour.
Over 30 a hour week minus wages that £450 per week.
Working 40 weeks in a year is £18000.
30 days holiday pay at a 6 hour day £1800
Come on guys he is clearing well over £12000.
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I found a calculator on an accountants website that helps you to work out the true cost of an employee allowing for all the things. paying 10 an hour equates to between 33 and 35K in true cost.. it seems the basic rule is take the base rate and multiply by between 1.6 and 1.7
so £10 an hour x40 x52 =£20,800 flat rate.
20800 x1.7 = 35360 in real costs... or 1.6 =33280
seems crazy but before you start making profit from an employee they need to break through 33 to 35K in turnover..
this means that each employee has to bring in just short of 150 a day 48 weeks a year to break even?????
the calculator is here
http://www.accountingservicesforbusiness.co.uk/calculators1/true-cost-of-an-employee/
go through and strip out the bits that aint relevant to your business.. and see what you get for your business.
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Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000) a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
Too true. There's a muppet on here reckons he clears £400 a day, so after all associated expenses, per two man team.
i wonder if I am that muppet you are talking about? :o
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
well i guess if the shoe fits...
2 guys working... check
turning over £600/day... check
£400 left after expences... check
yep, that's me.
i guess you must be a muppet who's earning less then? ;D
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Sorry, have I submitted my figures. I certainly dont feel the need to publicise how successful I think I am. I do wonder why people do that.
Anyway, Im surprised you have enough time to be on here. If I earn't your kind of money, £104,000.00 a year I wouldnt be on CIU thats a fact.
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Why wouldn't you matt - you'd be so bored without us :-*
I think Richards figures are very acceptable IMO
Darran
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
well i guess if the shoe fits...
2 guys working... check
turning over £600/day... check
£400 left after expences... check
yep, that's me.
i guess you must be a muppet who's earning less then? ;D
What 2 vans 1 man or 1 van 2 men??
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
well i guess if the shoe fits...
2 guys working... check
turning over £600/day... check
£400 left after expences... check
yep, that's me.
i guess you must be a muppet who's earning less then? ;D
What 2 vans 1 man or 1 van 2 men??
one van & 2 men
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
well i guess if the shoe fits...
2 guys working... check
turning over £600/day... check
£400 left after expences... check
yep, that's me.
i guess you must be a muppet who's earning less then? ;D
You ain't turning over £600 per day at the speed you were going on that window on your website. I'd have done the house in the time it took you to clean that opener. ;D
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Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.
If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.
i'm not on about commercial no. domestics my son.
so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.
the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing. i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc. but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days. on their own they do £400 within the same times.
as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own. if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?
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That sounds like you're volunteering yourself for the role?
well i guess if the shoe fits...
2 guys working... check
turning over £600/day... check
£400 left after expences... check
yep, that's me.
i guess you must be a muppet who's earning less then? ;D
You ain't turning over £600 per day at the speed you were going on that window on your website. I'd have done the house in the time it took you to clean that opener. ;D
you're quite right! we don't go at that speed. that video was just a tester that i put on my website and need to replace with something much better.
i wouldnt put up a video of how quick we clean though. i don't think it would help us pick up customers. once we 've got them as customers they stick with us on our results with their windows
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Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.
If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.
i'm not on about commercial no. domestics my son.
so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.
the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing. i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc. but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days. on their own they do £400 within the same times.
as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own. if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but me getting 2/3 an hour canvassing isnt that great a thing at all and what isnt to believe about that??
im just enjoy it and motivate myself to go out and knock on targeted areas and doors and take a team out to build the numbers up on customers.
All straight forward without needing to ball poop! If i said i got 30 new customers a night then i would be liening but getting average 10-12 new cleans between 3 canvassers in 2 hours isnt out of this world like you quoting your guys do £600 day in day out in 1 van.
Total fair play if you have achieved that but i realy cant see how.
Anychance you could break down there typical days work which makes it easier to understand as £600 per day everyday is impossible for the other 99.999 percent of us window cleaners out here to achieve.
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I certainly couldn't do £400 per day on my own. It would kill me. I would think in a van with two that £400 should be achievable regularly if the work is well priced and compactish. Was it you Richard that had a guy running the hose for you? If I had that I reckon I could do near £400, but then it isn't on my own is it?
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Impossible for 99.99999%
Err. Yeah okay
I'm not getting into the what's and why fors but if I had a 2 man team producing that I'd be looking for new staff ASAP as that figure is just a shade over 1 man's work
Darran
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
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No, Mick you've got that wrong. It's only on CIU that people believe their own bull$hit.
Ol Dick Sparkle will tell us we can believe what we want, but I certainly know the fella who started this thread will be laughing his socks off at the claims made. Some on here are realistic some are idiotic.
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Not another willy waving thread ::)roll
If you can do £600 a day, good for you. Why bother posting it on here though?
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Richard - how are you finding being VAT registered? When did you register?
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Hi Richard. I would be interested how you coped with the VAT increase? I am at the VAT threshold and wanted to know did you increase everyones bill by 20% or did you go on the flat rate scheme. Any advice would be gratefully received. You must be turning over about £135000 inc holidays per annum. When does being VAT registered start paying for itself? 100k, 120K etc etc
Thank you very much
Will
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No, Mick you've got that wrong. It's only on CIU that people believe their own bull$hit.
Ol Dick Sparkle will tell us we can believe what we want, but I certainly know the fella who started this thread will be laughing his socks off at the claims made. Some on here are realistic some are idiotic.
Says the man with an average clean of over £35 a d just doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...
The fact is we are so diverse an Industry you just have to take people at face value over the long run you can see by people's posts what their working level is like
I have upmost respect for matt and mick but Richards levels are not impossible
Darran
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No, Mick you've got that wrong. It's only on CIU that people believe their own bull$hit.
Ol Dick Sparkle will tell us we can believe what we want, but I certainly know the fella who started this thread will be laughing his socks off at the claims made. Some on here are realistic some are idiotic.
Says the man with an average clean of over £35 a d just doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...
The fact is we are so diverse an Industry you just have to take people at face value over the long run you can see by people's posts what their working level is like
I have upmost respect for matt and mick but Richards levels are not impossible
Darran
A high as £600 a day seems, £300 seems very low to me unless the two are doing other things like leafleting or canvassing. For an 8 hour day I'd have thought round here £400 should be a minimum for those hours.
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Thanks for your input lads, shame it got a bit silly.
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doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...
It was £140 to £280.
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Richard - how are you finding being VAT registered? When did you register?
Hi,
I'm just getting VAT registered now. The last few months have taken my projected earnings well over VAT threshold
We are not £600 day in day out, and both my staff are part timers. We have 2-3 days a week for 1 staff member at £400 or equivalent, and 1-2 days a week at £600. The rest of the time is taken up with first cleans and one off cleans whilst i pack my rounds up to full reg cleans.
I;m going flat rate something like 11% and am pretty anxious about it reallt to be honest. the trouble is taking on more staff hours to cover workload, spending more on marketing to gain new business, and profit dropping because the daft tax :-[
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doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...
It was £140 to £280.
But there would be many on here who would doubt your word...
I've never had that situation but as you have shown it exists
Darran
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Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.
If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.
i'm not on about commercial no. domestics my son.
so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.
the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing. i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc. but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days. on their own they do £400 within the same times.
as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own. if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but me getting 2/3 an hour canvassing isnt that great a thing at all and what isnt to believe about that??
im just enjoy it and motivate myself to go out and knock on targeted areas and doors and take a team out to build the numbers up on customers.
All straight forward without needing to ball poop! If i said i got 30 new customers a night then i would be liening but getting average 10-12 new cleans between 3 canvassers in 2 hours isnt out of this world like you quoting your guys do £600 day in day out in 1 van.
Total fair play if you have achieved that but i realy cant see how.
Anychance you could break down there typical days work which makes it easier to understand as £600 per day everyday is impossible for the other 99.999 percent of us window cleaners out here to achieve.
hey mike,
i wasnt meaning that the canvssing results figures of new clients was remarkable. i know a couple of people who hit those figures (tho i myself do not)
what is unusual about your claims is the very low drop off rate that you claim to have. that is remarkable to me, and is unheard of to me. i do not know how you get those figures at all... would love to be in london so i could try out your service.
whilst you state that 99.9% of WCs cant hit the figures I quuoted, amongt the other concept 2O operators these figures are pretty unremarkable and in fact expected. we all speak amongst eachother from time to time and it is the norm for us.
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hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..
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hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..
Yep
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
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hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..
It all started because someone posted that as long as your assistant eans an extra 50p an hour (or something as ridiculous) you are quids in. There were some valuable points made about how much the employee really needs to bring in for the venture to be worthwhile.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
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Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.
If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.
i'm not on about commercial no. domestics my son.
so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.
the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing. i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc. but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days. on their own they do £400 within the same times.
as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own. if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but me getting 2/3 an hour canvassing isnt that great a thing at all and what isnt to believe about that??
im just enjoy it and motivate myself to go out and knock on targeted areas and doors and take a team out to build the numbers up on customers.
All straight forward without needing to ball poop! If i said i got 30 new customers a night then i would be liening but getting average 10-12 new cleans between 3 canvassers in 2 hours isnt out of this world like you quoting your guys do £600 day in day out in 1 van.
Total fair play if you have achieved that but i realy cant see how.
Anychance you could break down there typical days work which makes it easier to understand as £600 per day everyday is impossible for the other 99.999 percent of us window cleaners out here to achieve.
hey mike,
i wasnt meaning that the canvssing results figures of new clients was remarkable. i know a couple of people who hit those figures (tho i myself do not)
what is unusual about your claims is the very low drop off rate that you claim to have. that is remarkable to me, and is unheard of to me. i do not know how you get those figures at all... would love to be in london so i could try out your service.
whilst you state that 99.9% of WCs cant hit the figures I quuoted, amongt the other concept 2O operators these figures are pretty unremarkable and in fact expected. we all speak amongst eachother from time to time and it is the norm for us.
My retention isnt that great though normaly 70 percent but as of yet on my stepdads round there has been no cancelations, my mum is doing it with him and they are doing a realy good job with many thank you letters and kind words with what a good job they are doing, also the reason i believe retention is spot on is where we are telling all the new customers that he was made redundant and wanted to get straight back out there working. Who knows, there will be cancelations but as of yet there are none.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.
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You've really lost me mick
So you can do £80 ph on the glass but lose a few hours to petting moggies etc..
So if you cut out the chat Richard id right on the money
Darran
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You've really lost me mick
So you can do £80 ph on the glass but lose a few hours to petting moggies etc..
So if you cut out the chat Richard id right on the money
Darran
Lol i was taking the mick just saying how as well as cleaning windows a lot more goes on where im not getting paid for.
Smudger your a bright bloke, you surely understand what i mean by glass time per hour against hourly rate throughout the day. If i clean 8 fronts and have to make 2 3 stops to get them all done and have a chat with a few customers, have a bite to eat and cuppa. To do all those fronts are literally 7 mins each so 56 mins glass time but what stops it being that good is the obsticals inbetween that i dont get paid for, i oy get payed to clean the windows hence me saying glass time.
Basically i dont earn £60/80per hour its much lower than that but try to work at £1 per min glass time as most probably so do you if you work it out.
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Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
But it's not £12000 a year extra profit. It's £12000 a year extra turn over.
Andy
Andy and smudger,
Unfortunately you are getting your business jargon incorrect.
To clarify a typical example let us presume the employee does a 8 hour working day.
Of that he is on the windows for seven hours.
Presume he works for 46 weeks of the year.
He will produce 25 an hour for those seven hours.
Therefore he generates 40,250 in turnover. Not 12,000 as stated by you two.
I accept that there will be days when it will rain but he can canvass in those times and/or take the time off to catch it up later. So I will still get the £40,250 worth of generated income for the year.
I also stated that it could be quite easy to find someone who has their own van so their would be no additional costs regarding van etc.
From this point I am more than happy to be corrected on the benefits of such a person but how would he be any different to a sole trader who goes and cleans windows. If someone is to suggest he can't generate £40k a year, then why can everyone else on here do that so easily.. The main difference in putting on the employer is to keep the difference to what he will work for and what a sole trader will work for.
Also from another post it was suggested that an employee on £10 an hour will effectively cost about £35k so would it be safe to presume that if I increase his glass time to £30 an hour then I would therefore generate £48,300. That would give me £12k.
Perhaps it is being suggested that the employee may need to make say £30 an hour to make it worthwhile.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.
It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you, even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.
It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you, even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.
Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.
It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you, even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.
Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.
I know exactly what you have been saying, on another thread you say things like " guys on here who do houses for £6 annoy me " And you are correct to doubt very much that I clean £600 per day :'( It's actually £750 per day ;D
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doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...
It was £140 to £280.
But there would be many on here who would doubt your word...
I've never had that situation but as you have shown it exists
Darran
There may be, but I dont think it's as outlandish as what some on here claim re: their business's finances.
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FYI I earn £200 a day tops. Woot! Go me!
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Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.
Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then :-* When I see what some charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.
Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.
So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.
Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.
It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you, even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.
Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.
I know exactly what you have been saying, on another thread you say things like " guys on here who do houses for £6 annoy me " And you are correct to doubt very much that I clean £600 per day :'( It's actually £750 per day ;D
Your 1 of those guys who has to be right arnt you??.
im finding it funny that your digging holes in me on this thread(trying to anyway). All i am is an average window cleaner who charges average prices that questioned someone saying they do £600 in a van a day. Your questioning me now for an opinion of £6 being a low amount to charge where i was charging more trad 10 years ago!.
Ill await your next bell end comment against me lol!.
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later -when you meet them and see they are just about 5foot 6 and not 6 foot as they told me ,indicates a liar, its a small detail but believe me best dont get involved if they are loud braggers and/or liars
Are we talking dating sites here or looking for employees ?
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can we get back to employing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000)a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.
From your own earlier post which lead to our replies. I agree that an employee needs to be earning/turnover at least £30 p/h
Mick yes on the glass per minute is different from hourly turnover but that's the rub we do very little chit chat, cuppa tea's etc
Working two man is an art on average we do 35 cleans and found that simply by co- ordinating better when collecting,reeling in, etc.. We saved 3 minutes per job times that by 35 equals 105 mins. That's over an hour and a half saved every day so we either finish earlier or got room for another 8 cleans or a conny roof or 2 or house valet etc...
Darran
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can we get back to employing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Thanks for your help Frank.
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Yes let's...
The first man is the hardest step its part leap of faith, worry about others depending on you, worry about moving the biz forward, managing with less cash for a short period.
You need to make the step just before you can't manage all the work so you have a little breathing space to train the new employee for the first couple of weeks things will be maxed out until they get upto speed and learn the rounds but then your days should be shorter (on the glass) so you can get out canvassing to generate more work to then move onto another employee is easier as you already have ( hopefully ) a fully trained and decent staff member who can do a days work solo while you train the new guy - again you may take a small step back in your pocket but only in terms of where you have reached which should be well above where you had been solo.
Don't expect to get it right first time - and I DON'T recommend getting family involved
HTH
Darran
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When i used to work for a company, i started 3years ago and got the job thru a friend. He took me on as self employed and let me get on with it, that way he had no extra hassle and i sorted out insurance tax etc on my own, he had no extra stress and didn't have to worry about being messed about training me for me to just leave as i had to sort it out off my own back basically, if that helps
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if you was using all his equipment etc then what he was doing was wrong and would have been stopped if the tax man had of found out
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Nope. My own ladders and kit. He gave me a bit of work and i did it and gave him a few quid. Sure worse crimes occur ;)
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so you guys that employ,what type of people did you look for and did you use ex window cleaners or train someone from start your way.
I taught a few that never had any experience what so ever
steve don't employ family or anyone you know.
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i never employ anyone who has worked as a WC before. i want to teach them what our standards are, and how we do things,
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FYI I earn £200 a day tops. Woot! Go me!
This always makes me smile.
SWCS has posted his pennies. In comparison to the £1k a day boys the uneducated would think that's tiny.
The guy opposite me is a chippy, 30 years on the tools. Getting £120 a day.
A sparky did some work for me a few months ago £15.50 an hour.
Minimum wage £6 an hour (or so)
I always wonder why people worry about other people's earnings.
Their money isn't in your pocket.
Money doesn't bring you happiness.
Bloke I know worked all the hours under the sun. Loads of pennies. Ignored his mrs to go out to work. Finalises his divorce tomorrow-she's taken most of his money and left him with £'s of debt. Bet he wishes he had got his priorities right.
Mick (IMO) has got it right. Charges upper end of prices from what I see but knows what is important-takes his little girl to school and built up work to look after his old mum. Hats off to you sir. Worry not about those that hate.
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Would not employ anyone who has been on the glass we had a part timer apply from a windy in the next village he didn't make the interview stage.
Both my guys are young 20's full clean licence, hard working and trained to how I want them to work.
They are not on 40 hr contracts but 30 p/w and must be available for Saturdays if we get a rain day.
Darran
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Smudger,
Do you have your guys together in one van, if so what sort of hourly glass rate do they make. You mentioned that £30 am hour is the mark to get to for an employee. Does that mean it is 60 am hour for 2? How many houses a day can they do?
Thanks
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2 men 1 van never get double whatever the combination ( me and a worker or 2 workers ) on a standard round usually get 75% extra.
So why not a van each ? Well cost is one thing space for yet another it's tricky getting space for 2 never mind 3
Where 2 man score over 1 is the large commercial jobs which are completed easily in half the time ( less fatigue ) and the conny roof cleaning - soffit fascia gutter jobs are also completed more easily we always have 2 men when gutter vac'ing
Darran
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Why wouldn't you matt - you'd be so bored without us :-*
I think Richards figures are very acceptable IMO
Darran
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Hahaha wicked.
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Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.
If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.
i'm not on about commercial no. domestics my son.
so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.
the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing. i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc. but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days. on their own they do £400 within the same times.
as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own. if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?
what do u charge for a 3bedroom house then
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FRANCHISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ;D