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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: V_Purcell on July 28, 2013, 09:39:54 am
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In an experiment in an earlier post which was locked, due to me not thinking, and by offering domain for sale to members, without the forum consent. Which is quite right, I have to admit.
I just did a quick experiment on getting www.carpetcleaningbexley.com on the first page of Google
I got 3 links from one domain pointing to the site, after 5 days, the site is ranked 7th on the first page.
This just goes to prove that keyword rich domains, do have an advantage despite what everyone thinks. This took just 5 days to do that, nothing complicated
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1375000763_carpetcb.JPG)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1375000774_ccbahrefs.JPG)
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Is this a serious post?
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All it proves is the competition for the keyword is more sht than yours that's all.
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All it proves is the competition for the keyword is more sht than yours that's all.
Couldn't agree more
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Is this a serious post?
What gave you the idea it wasn't serious
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All it proves is the competition for the keyword is more sht than yours that's all.
It shows that the keyword in domain counts, that was my point.
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you'v done well to get the page on page one, however......
You would need to get several landing pages on page one, near the top in different areas to get any traffic and then you would have to convert them into jobs.
I see several sites that do well in the rankings for several areas near, or at the top of page one. However, these sites with good ranking still have to resort to Adwords to get work, as many potential customers will not go further down the page unfortunately.
I would conclude that if you have site that ranks for page one in one town, half way down the page, it will hardly get any traffic.
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you'v done well to get the page on page one, however......
You would need to get several landing pages on page one, near the top in different areas to get any traffic and then you would have to convert them into jobs.
I see several sites that do well in the rankings for several areas near, or at the top of page one. However, these sites with good ranking still have to resort to Adwords to get work, as many potential customers will not go further down the page unfortunately.
I would conclude that if you have site that ranks for page one in one town, half way down the page, it will hardly get any traffic.
I would push it to the top, just to prove a point but I have another site ranking and do not want to bump that off, No 1 is king.
And it only took 5 days to get it indexed and onto the first page.
I just acquired the domain name www.carpetcleaninginlondon.com that's where I am concentrating my efforts now, its not in the first 250 yet.
The only way to get traffic is to be no1 and to be in Google local. But it is not hard. As it just took 1 domain to link back to my site. But I am targeting the keyword carpet cleaning in London, which is a heavy keyword to compete for but I am pretty sure I will get there. Google has had a lot of changes over the last 3 months, I lost ranking for carpet cleaning in London on my money site www.masterclean.com which was No1.
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Come back and show us again next week. Google is notorious for Page one rankings on new sites that then disappear without trace after a few days.
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I cannot understand this business about only the site at no.1 getting traffic.
I also cannot understand why people are chasing just one key phrase. It does not make sense.
Analytics for one site I'm involved with tell me we had over six hundred different keyphrase searches that brought traffic to the site in one month.
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I cannot understand this business about only the site at no.1 getting traffic.
I also cannot understand why people are chasing just one key phrase. It does not make sense.
Analytics for one site I'm involved with tell me we had over six hundred different key-phrase searches that brought traffic to the site in one month.
If you are chasing carpet cleaning london, the amount of good quality links you need will be high, now Google knows that if all your links are carpet cleaning london, then this would be deemed unnatural linking and would get penalized by Google. You main keyword should be between 10-15% of all links, Now one of the best links now according to seo experts, is to get the naked url as the link
www.masterclean.com (http://www.masterclean.com).
I have fell prey to this myself and I am no expert, and has cost me, one of my keywords, at No1 is worth £2500 a week, but I am hesitant to do more seo at the moment in case I get a Google slap, so I have a new domain and if that gets slapped, all is not lost.
But its easy with keyword rich domains, as these don't need a lot of links pointing back, but you have hosting, privacy and website design cost.
So it can be expensive. But is really effective is you are an owner operator and do not cover a real big area.
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Vernon,
Unless you've had a warning in Google Webmasters or a manual review, then the drop is probably due to an algorithm change rather than a slap.
I've got Masterclean at just outside the top ten. A slap would normally result in a substantial drop (maybe six pages at least). one of mine in the US that got an over optimisation penalty dropped about six hundred positions after Penguin 1. It's risen about four to five hundred following Penguin 2.0 but I'm pretty sure the domain is effectively toxic now.
As you say, you probably need a load more raw and related links now (built slowly!).
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Vernon,
Unless you've had a warning in Google Webmasters or a manual review, then the drop is probably due to an algorithm change rather than a slap.
I've got Masterclean at just outside the top ten. A slap would normally result in a substantial drop (maybe six pages at least). one of mine in the US that got an over optimization penalty dropped about six hundred positions after Penguin 1. It's risen about four to five hundred following Penguin 2.0 but I'm pretty sure the domain is effectively toxic now.
As you say, you probably need a load more raw and related links now (built slowly!).
Yea thats is what I call a slap ( a slap down ) how ever one site was slapped into orbit, however it wasn't deindexed which is a penaty, I actual got Masterclean to No1 world wide, but stopped as I had a lot of wasted traffic. Now we are just concentrate on real targeted keywords. Google now are offering a submission service, that you can submit your links to them, and they will disregard them.
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It's a funny thing the google penalty.... i got slapped last year and just discovered that my (then) great webmaster created many spamy incoming links to which I now have to disavow as the the host to the articles are non contactable.
On the other hand, i created a web site last year which is quite sparse with no incoming links and is doing quite well.
My new seo girl, who seems to have a google engineered brain says she does not promote any incoming links to her web sites and they are all doing well.
I think that if google sees you are trying to manipulate your ranking in any way, you WILL get slapped!
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Personally, I think the disallow tool was a masterstroke by Google.
They were sending out unnatural linking notices and then saying.... "tell us which links YOU think are causing the problem"(paraphrased).
A lot of people panicked and volunteered loads of sites. This allowed Google to take down some pretty big private blog networks. Genius.
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Thats why Matt Cutts from Google's anti spam team get paid so much.
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There it is No1 in Google with a few links pointed at it, Its actually beaten another site I have on Page 1
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1376407419_ccb.JPG)
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Come back and show us again next week. Google is notorious for Page one rankings on new sites that then disappear without trace after a few days.
Look at my previous post
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The reponses to this post ar ridiculous posted by people who know nothing pertaining to how to rank on page one for a carpet cleaning website. Of course its all subjective and a matter of opinion but you are all wrong. Keyword rich domains DO rank far easiar and that's fact, even more so when hardly any seo has been done and they stay there, fact. We paid alex from alloy thousands of pounds for design and seo with NO results. Finally we built our own site with the city keyword in the domain and the correct ratio of keywords in the text and bingo within 5 weeks we are on page one for everyrhing and top for many keywords. And before all the 'experts' say ...bullpoop, we are not prepared to say who we are and our domain because the lot of you will copy exactly what we have done.... So work it out for yourselves..... There is absolutley no such thing as SEO any more and the sooner you all relaise it the better for you all. Design a sound website with the correct ratio of keywords and a keyword rich domain, forget blogs and links cos they don't work. Make your script to the point, honest and natural and you WILL rank..... Design and structure as well as the correct coding is all that is needed and required, and that's that.
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so what happens when 9 of your other competitors also start using the correct keyword density, keyword in the titles, keyword in the domain, the correct website structure etc etc << this is all SEO by the way! The thing you said is dead lol.
So what happens then? who will be top? :)
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Uneducated, desperate drivel, that fact is they don't, and what u mention is not seo in the true sense of the words as is being reffered to in these posts as you well know, it is mearly basic site design, smoke and mirrors is great, so called seo experts use this every day to real in desperate people who belive position 1 page 1 is the only thing that mattter.....that is also total bull
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The reponses to this post ar ridiculous posted by people who know nothing pertaining to how to rank on page one for a carpet cleaning website. Of course its all subjective and a matter of opinion but you are all wrong. Keyword rich domains DO rank far easiar and that's fact, even more so when hardly any seo has been done and they stay there, fact. We paid alex from alloy thousands of pounds for design and seo with NO results. Finally we built our own site with the city keyword in the domain and the correct ratio of keywords in the text and bingo within 5 weeks we are on page one for everyrhing and top for many keywords. And before all the 'experts' say ...bullpoop, we are not prepared to say who we are and our domain because the lot of you will copy exactly what we have done.... So work it out for yourselves..... There is absolutley no such thing as SEO any more and the sooner you all relaise it the better for you all. Design a sound website with the correct ratio of keywords and a keyword rich domain, forget blogs and links cos they don't work. Make your script to the point, honest and natural and you WILL rank..... Design and structure as well as the correct coding is all that is needed and required, and that's that.
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::)rollHello Vern, don't know you but hey, I sympathise!
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I only gave the site 3 links pointing to the site, this was just an experiment to prove what I said in an earlier post, but hey has 2 jobs off it already 135.00
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Did the same as you after waisting thousands of pounds with so called seo experts including alloy etc but with only one very high authority link......in the past two months booked £2000 worth of work being completed daily. NEVER again will we believe the propaganda.
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hey acom cleaning,what would that high ranking link be.....thanks
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Acom, is this your site ?
http://www.masterclean-exeter.co.uk/special-offers-carpet-upholstery-cleaning-exeter/
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Quickest I ever managed to get a site to number one on page one was... sixteen minutes
Admittedly, it was USA searches rather than UK and was only against 200,000 competing pages.
We sold 1,500 dollar's worth of flowers before Mother's Day.
Would that count as SEO or just lucky?
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Hello Paul, no that site has nothing to do with me, but I like it though! Cheers
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I like it too Acom and also like Martins videos :)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ap5bXLuOao4
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;DPaul, you have totally lost me m8, but looked at the videos you mentioned, can't say I agree!
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There it is No1 in Google with a few links pointed at it, Its actually beaten another site I have on Page 1
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1376407419_ccb.JPG)
Just looking as that snap shot it makes me Despondent that 3 of the top 4 for are selling themselves as. 'Cheap' or wth a '50% discount' :-\
It must be hard in the London area to sell a quality service if these companies are topping google
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The reponses to this post ar ridiculous posted by people who know nothing pertaining to how to rank on page one for a carpet cleaning website. Of course its all subjective and a matter of opinion but you are all wrong. Keyword rich domains DO rank far easiar and that's fact, even more so when hardly any seo has been done and they stay there, fact. We paid alex from alloy thousands of pounds for design and seo with NO results. Finally we built our own site with the city keyword in the domain and the correct ratio of keywords in the text and bingo within 5 weeks we are on page one for everyrhing and top for many keywords. And before all the 'experts' say ...bullpoop, we are not prepared to say who we are and our domain because the lot of you will copy exactly what we have done.... So work it out for yourselves..... There is absolutley no such thing as SEO any more and the sooner you all relaise it the better for you all. Design a sound website with the correct ratio of keywords and a keyword rich domain, forget blogs and links cos they don't work. Make your script to the point, honest and natural and you WILL rank..... Design and structure as well as the correct coding is all that is needed and required, and that's that.
Actually your post tells us it is you who thinks he knows it all but actually you betray your lack off understanding of current SEO. So don't tell everyone else they are wrong when all you did was rank your little site.
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I'm confused. Could you explain the relationship between these two staements please?
forget blogs and links cos they don't work
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Did the same as you after waisting thousands of pounds with so called seo experts including alloy etc but with only one very high authority link
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Acom, is this your site ?
http://www.masterclean-exeter.co.uk/special-offers-carpet-upholstery-cleaning-exeter/
No
www.masterclean.com
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There it is No1 in Google with a few links pointed at it, Its actually beaten another site I have on Page 1
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1376407419_ccb.JPG)
Just looking as that snap shot it makes me Despondent that 3 of the top 4 for are selling themselves as. 'Cheap' or wth a '50% discount' :-\
It must be hard in the London area to sell a quality service if these companies are topping google
Yes so if you are not charging the same rates as them, it wouldn't make any sense being up in the top positions, unless you wanted to do negative seo on your competitors.
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We have them types at the top here to and some of them are from over 50 miles away . Google for me is almost useless but leaflets still work Del
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Come back and show us again next week. Google is notorious for Page one rankings on new sites that then disappear without trace after a few days.
As you requested
There you are settled(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1378738381_ccb2.JPG) at No 2, I could push it to number 1
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I can't understand this thread!
It's very easy to rank No.1 in Google... I'll share the secret with you:
£
See, I said it was easy.
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Vernon, I see the carpet cleaning in london one is finally "in the charts" :)
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How much does it matter, here is what a massive group of SEO experts say.
6.98% thats what you putting all your efforts into. its not a snipper shot anymore its more of a shotgun
http://moz.com/blog/weighting-the-clusters-of-ranking-factors-in-google-analytics-whiteboard-friday (http://moz.com/blog/weighting-the-clusters-of-ranking-factors-in-google-analytics-whiteboard-friday)
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Ian
its not a easy thing to do ,it just so happens you have a little bit more knowledge than 90% of cc on web pages .
if you search my web page i come up 5 times am i a seo genius No .
just lucky. i don't even get massive amounts of work of it either
But I do Know one Secret
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I have seen a few instances where top internet marketers (i.e. those actually making a lot of money) have totally contradicted stuff from Moz. It's probably best to keep an open mind.
On the subject of exact match domains (I have EMDs and "branded so have a foot in both camps): did anyone arguing for them do any tests. I mean did anyone test the ranking speed of an EMD against a non EMD? what were your results?
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Yes Garry, I have added a few links and done some seo on it, maybe I will through some heavy links from some high PR sites I own. Its dancing around 25 in google expect it to rise, I have also got another dancing around 45
I will give it a few weeks and they both should be on page 1
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How much does it matter, here is what a massive group of SEO experts say.
6.98% thats what you putting all your efforts into. its not a snipper shot anymore its more of a shotgun
http://moz.com/blog/weighting-the-clusters-of-ranking-factors-in-google-analytics-whiteboard-friday (http://moz.com/blog/weighting-the-clusters-of-ranking-factors-in-google-analytics-whiteboard-friday)
Forget what experts say, it what gets results, I just did it a very easy way. Which was the start of the thread.
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Is there anyone actually in bexley that wants their carpet cleaned cos no one else seems interested in ranking for it. If net mums is number two that suggests to me no one else is. Hence the ease of ranking.
We can go round and round arguing the toss on this one, unless of course........
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having one site and one plan is nuts
what google gives google can take away.
you have to play at it like nothing depends on it and spread your bets and you have much more luck. keeping an eye on trends at all times. url keywords are old school now. brands are where its at, and you need to build one. how? as many ways as you can.
look at the brand as the outer circle around your site that leads people into your sales process. its what i was say before about helping a wider audience that in turn will help you locally.
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having one site and one plan is nuts
what google gives google can take away.
you have to play at it like nothing depends on it and spread your bets and you have much more luck. keeping an eye on trends at all times. url keywords are old school now. brands are where its at, and you need to build one. how? as many ways as you can.
look at the brand as the outer circle around your site that leads people into your sales process. its what i was say before about helping a wider audience that in turn will help you locally.
All you have to have is have a site that converts into sales. Mine does have 12 jobs from this site, I have another 120 keyword rich domains. which I may develop. Certain keywords are worth more revenue
I have carpetcleaninginlondon.com and carpetcleaninginlondon.net one is at 25 and the other one at 45
Next week should see SERPs movement on the first domain
Yes Google can give and take away, one of my sites have tanked from being number 1 for carpet cleaning in london is not in the first 500
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Is there anyone actually in bexley that wants their carpet cleaned cos no one else seems interested in ranking for it. If net mums is number two that suggests to me no one else is. Hence the ease of ranking.
We can go round and round arguing the toss on this one, unless of course........
Net mums have good seo
unless of course........What ????
See how much they are bidding on that keyword in Bexley
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The reponses to this post ar ridiculous posted by people who know nothing pertaining to how to rank on page one for a carpet cleaning website. Of course its all subjective and a matter of opinion but you are all wrong. Keyword rich domains DO rank far easiar and that's fact, even more so when hardly any seo has been done and they stay there, fact. We paid alex from alloy thousands of pounds for design and seo with NO results. Finally we built our own site with the city keyword in the domain and the correct ratio of keywords in the text and bingo within 5 weeks we are on page one for everyrhing and top for many keywords. And before all the 'experts' say ...bullpoop, we are not prepared to say who we are and our domain because the lot of you will copy exactly what we have done.... So work it out for yourselves..... There is absolutley no such thing as SEO any more and the sooner you all relaise it the better for you all. Design a sound website with the correct ratio of keywords and a keyword rich domain, forget blogs and links cos they don't work. Make your script to the point, honest and natural and you WILL rank..... Design and structure as well as the correct coding is all that is needed and required, and that's that.
That is contradictory : "Design a sound website with the correct ratio of keywords and a keyword rich domain" That is SEO
You are optimizing you site for search engines
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Which backlinks did you use for the Bexley site? ran it through a basic site and google, only showed one wiki link.
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It only has 2 links pointing to it from one domain, try using ahrefs.com
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Vernon, I see the carpet cleaning in london one is finally "in the charts" :)
Hi Garry, just an update carpetcleaninginlondon.com has just hit No 1 carpetcleaninginlondon.info is at 37 and masterclean is at 14
Looking to get all three on the first page, we should get a lot of traffic if we can achieve this.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1379977390_no1.jpg)
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You will also get lots of wasted time when people call one site and then the next when they want cheaper etc ..
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And they say offsite and networks are dead ;)
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;D
All it proves is the competition for the keyword is more sht than yours that's all.
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You will also get lots of wasted time when people call one site and then the next when they want cheaper etc ..
It's critical for websites to appear on Page 1 of Google, especially in one of the top three organic positions, as these spots receive 58.4 percent of all clicks from users, according to a new study from Optify.
Websites ranked number one received an average click-through rate (CTR) of 36.4 percent; number two had a CTR of 12.5 percent; and number three had a CTR of 9.5 percent. Being number one in Google, according to Optify, is the equivalent of all the traffic going to the sites appearing in the second through fifth positions.
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2049695/Top-Google-Result-Gets-36.4-of-Clicks-Study
If we can maintain 1st position and get our two other sites say 1 at position 10 and maybe another one at position five we should get 44.7% of all organic hits.
But may be you would know that as you do not have a target keyword pointing at your site. So its a bit like having a box of leaflets under the stair, your not going to get any work from it.
Now if I was you guys I wouldn't be so negative, I would be saying how is it done ? can I do it ? How much does it cost to get your site there. But maybe a lot of guys here are just carpet cleaners and not business people. Its a fact the best carpet cleaners do not make the most money.
The worst carpet cleaner can hire the best carpet cleaners, thus increasing his turnover
( Gregg Bloss Steamway Denver)
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My first post on here but I have been a member and viewed the topics for some time.
I am really suprised at the negative response at getting your website to page 1/top 3 on google.
I really can't understand why people wouldn't want to. Surely it's better to filter any 'bad' calls than have no calls at all from your website.
Quick question (which you may have already said and I have missed)... What are the results showing for? Eg is it 'carpet cleaning London' ?
For the record I'm really impressed.
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Steve I totally agree with your statement, but imagine if you were paying for clicks. This is an area I may market this service too, they appreciate what it mean to get cheaper traffic. Its not hard to do this when you have worked out a way to do this.
The search term carpet cleaning is the has the highest search volume carpet cleaning in London, has the second and carpet cleaning London is 3rd.
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Vince what is a PR site?
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The dofollow ratio is starting to look a bit contrived. Maybe a few more nofollows needed?
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Vince what is a PR site?
PR is the way Google rates your site, from inbound links to your site. and they assign a ranking 0-10
To get past a ranking of 5 is a tough job to do, most I have managed is to get a site to a PR5
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Vince just for interest could you put a link to a pr 10 website? (Or the highest you've seen)
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How can you tell what your site ranks for ?
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Vince just for interest could you put a link to a pr 10 website? (Or the highest you've seen)
GOOGLE.COM
YOUTUBE.COM
FACEBOOK.COM
CNN.COM (PR8)
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EBAY must be up there I would guess
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Vince just for interest could you put a link to a pr 10 website? (Or the highest you've seen)
GOOGLE.COM
YOUTUBE.COM
FACEBOOK.COM
CNN.COM (PR8)
It would cost to much to get a PR10, thats if you could find one, I could get a PR9
Apple.com is a 9
Whitehouse.org is a 9
Google.com is a 9
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How can you tell what your site ranks for ?
You install a page rank checker into you browser as a plug in, it displays the pagerank, which browser are you using?
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If you are using Firefox, you can use SEOquake (search in "Add-ons).
Beware though, figures can be months out of date and there is a nasty practise called fake PR. This is where someone builds a site up using redirects to boost the page rank (prior to a sale). After you have paid an inflated price they take off the redirects and you are left with an expensive low PR site.
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Vince just for interest could you put a link to a pr 10 website? (Or the highest you've seen)
GOOGLE.COM
YOUTUBE.COM
FACEBOOK.COM
CNN.COM (PR8)
It would cost to much to get a PR10, thats if you could find one, I could get a PR9
Apple.com is a 9
Whitehouse.org is a 9
Google.com is a 9
How do you set about getting a link from above??
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You can't! It would have to be a sub page (for example, a forum or profile or comment on a blog post) which will have no PR or very low PR but the page will be set to nofollow.
There are websites that rent spaces on their high PR home pages though.
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Carpet Dawg is right you couldn't get a link from these sites, and a real genuine PR9 website is going to set you back $8000- $20,000. If you could buy a link, which is against Google's policy you probably would pay $2500 - $4000 and if Google found out that a site was selling links, they would deindex the site, and your link would be worthless
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Vincent,any links you can advise me to get
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What is the url of your website
What keywords will you want to target?
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Vincent,i have two sites. www.carpetcleanersdublin.ie
www.chem2clean.com
i suppose main keywords would be carpet cleaning Dublin etc
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Didn't one of your sites get slapped by Penguin?
If it did, it would have been for over optimisation of anchor text. If you add another (albeit high PR) keyword rich link, you will be on thin ice.
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yes gary good point...thanks,....carpet cleaning tallaght...its a town of 100.000 in dublin
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Vincent,i have two sites. www.carpetcleanersdublin.ie
www.chem2clean.com
i suppose main keywords would be carpet cleaning Dublin etc
You should be using keyword carpet cleaning in dublin, this has more search volume than carpet cleaning dublin, buy carpetcleaningindublin.com which is available through godaddy.com dont buy the .co.uk. Host it with a uk host. Copy the same site as you already have on the .ie
I see that www.carpetdoctor.ie is #1 with a few links maybe 4 you will beat him
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coping a site,would google not frown upon that...
yes carpet doctor is number one,but has limited links.hows that???
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www.carpetdoctor.ie only has 10 links from 7 domains, one of them is a PR5, duplicate content is frowned on yes, but there is so much duplicate content out there, take the lyrics for a song, or the declaration of independence, that is duplicate content, but is published thousands of times over on the web. Trust me you will beat him
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Thanks Vincent,ill have to have look at how i would go about adding my site with the different domain name.Computers not my first language :)
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What was your site designed in?
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wordpress vincent
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Wordpress has a clone function, I can clone it from there, copy it over, no problem
Just get the domain + hosting for cost sake you can get a years hosting for $10
I will have it ranking in a few weeks
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wordpress vincent
Here is hosting
https://www.silversit.com
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nice one...you from the states Vincent,usually use register365.com for my hosting and domain,will they do?
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No I British,but I have lived there, and had a business there, but all seo is done in dollars except the UK
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appreciate your help...ill get domain and hosting sorted tomorrow .......
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bought that domain
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Did you get the hosting?
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Hey Vincent, have you a email address to chat
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Hi there
email address is vernonpurcell2000 at yahoo.com
I have just given you a PR6 link from adobe.com
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Really... Excellent. Thank you. I ll pm you tomorrow about the site, thanks again
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Are you sure you want to duplicate this site exactly?
It is currently at no.3 (combined local/+1). in the local results, with no "proper" high powered site ranking above them. The current site also appears to be a PR2 site which suggests it might not have been whacked after all. Maybe a few linking sites got de-indexed and you simply lost their link juice?
Why not build a fresh site on the URL Vernon suggests and then you should eventually get two of the top few spots?
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gary,hows things...thanks mate for your input...if im going to clone site i am going to use original content on the new site
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Vincent, how are your sites doing? I searched your domain on ahrefs, it said you had 1,800 backlinks?
I'm not great with these things but am trying to learn and pick it up. What sort of sites would you recommend having your domain name posted on as a backlink?
thanks
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Dont look at the backlinks, look a the Referring Domains. the more unique domaims the better, if you had the paid version, you could see that some of my blog post have rolled offthe homepage and are on inner pages, giving more backlinks, but they are not worth much
I do have my own high pr websites that I use for links these are on the homepage, this gives real good link juice to your money site.
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On Friday Google had its first update Penguin 2.1, my money site drop to number 2 only to come back at number one on Monday morning.
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My main site has disappeared, apart from one keyword. Www. Carpetcleanersdublin. Ie has just about vanished.
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I am sorry to hear that
Did you do any spammy profile links or any tired link building.
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Hi vince, Don't think so, no links seem to be taken when I check my link amounts. Is this site now fecked?
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You site is still indexed, if you had a penalty you would be deindexed. What link building strategy did you use in your link building?
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Links like this don't help...
http://linksindexed.com/pagerank2-listings35.html
You've got Bankok Butterfly Massage and herbal remedies for sexual weakness either side of your outbound link.
It looks you've got loads of non relevant sites linking in. It looks like they've been mostly devalued so in effect you have very few links left.
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Hi vince, Don't think so, no links seem to be taken when I check my link amounts. Is this site now fecked?
First thing I would do, is to take your signature link from all the forums you belong to, Google will see these as spammy links. These are the links that Google has targeted this time, we used to use profile links using Xrummer, we would hammer them at about 10,000 per day, but they do not work anymore. Notice I dont have any links in my posts. You need homepage backlinks with good PR. These are still valued in Google's eyes.
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Had some Seo when the site was new, think that's where the links came from. Is this site a right off .
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Had some Seo when the site was new, think that's where the links came from. Is this site a right off .
No it is okay, just not in the top 500, you have another domain you can use, then see if your first site comes back, remember I was harking on about exact match domains, Google did an update on Friday, mine survived it, 2 others went in to orbit, but they will comeback. I hope.
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In the Irish Google, I have you at no.7 for your .ie site (Local) and 35 for your .com site.
Penguin 2.1 appears to be a further attack on unnatural linking patterns (including deeper site pages this time).
You might find this article useful..... http://www.hmtweb.com/marketing-blog/penguin-2-1-analysis/
You have a load of directory links. If those links pushed your site up before and are then effectively, taken away, them the site has to fall. It's like taking the supports of a bridge away. The only way is down (until you build better supports again).
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Hi all, thanks all for your input. Gary , I'm showing number 7 , not showing in my search. My . Com went down 4 pages alright. Maybe it has not all settled yet,the google dance.yeah I have lots of directory, trying for citations for my places site.
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Hi all, thanks all for your input. Gary , I'm showing number 7 , not showing in my search. My . Com went down 4 pages alright. Maybe it has not all settled yet,the google dance.yeah I have lots of directory, trying for citations for my places site.
I have you 3 in google local
Not showing up for the search terms ie google.ie/com
carpet cleaning in dublin
carpet cleaning dublin
carpet cleaners in dublin
carpet cleaners dublin
Clear your cache or browse in private, you might be getting a personalized search
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So you get on the first page of google and someone visits, then what ?
They go away and visit another company, so does anyone use banner retargetting ? if not you should consider it.
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google places went down a place or two alright.It has the website that disappeared connected to it,hopefully theres not bad news ahead and the places start to suffer because of the website been hit...
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So you get on the first page of Google and someone visits, then what ?
They go away and visit another company, so does anyone use banner retargetting ? if not you should consider it.
Why would they go away if its what they want, only reason is they do not get what they want, you can check your bounce rate in Google analytics to see how long people stay on your site. When people type in carpet cleaning bradford, its because they want their carpets cleaned in Braford, if you are no1 you will get most off the traffic, if your prices are competative, they will pick up the phone and call you.
With banner adds you pay per impression, not per click, but if your site does not give them the user experiance they want, they will go to the next site
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google places went down a place or two alright.It has the website that disappeared connected to it,hopefully theres not bad news ahead and the places start to suffer because of the website been hit...
Your website is still connected to Google local, but your links have are spammy and have no value, it better to have a few good links, as I have seen sites ranking with a few backlinks, I had a site ranking for a low volume search with 2 quality backlinks.
But you will be chasing your tail around in circles, because you have not yet learnt about backlinking, as far as I see it, hompage links are what is working at the moment. Web 2.0 tiered backlinking, forum profiles and spun content, all of this has had its day, now you have to get quality links. They do not come free, thats why there are SEO company's out there, however, our search volumes do not warrant their cost. To get to number 1 I would say it will cost around $2000 then you have to maintain that position, because when you are at the top there is only one place to go, yep down. Your competitors will not take it lying down, competition is healthy, they will up their game plan and it will keep you on your toes.
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where is the best to get some high quality links .
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I am going to buy 250 links from homepages for $99
I already use the company, on there last network, and that's how I got to number 1, but this time I am going to use them for my inner pages.
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thanks vince,can you please send the link for homepages,
What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
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What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
That (allegedly) is one of the chief aims of the 2.1 update.
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What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
That (allegedly) is one of the chief aims of the 2.1 update.
yeah vince,would you not be heading into trouble with that..
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So you get on the first page of Google and someone visits, then what ?
They go away and visit another company, so does anyone use banner retargetting ? if not you should consider it.
Why would they go away if its what they want, only reason is they do not get what they want, you can check your bounce rate in Google analytics to see how long people stay on your site. When people type in carpet cleaning bradford, its beverage they want their carpets cleaned in Braford, if you are no1 you will get most off the traffic, if your prices are competative, they will pick up the phone and call you.
With banner adds you pay per impression, not per click, but if your site does not give them the user experiance they want, they will go to the next site
Because people shop around, you can not assume that because someone looking for carpet cleaning Bradford likes your site they will buy from you,,,retargetting works because you are constantly in front of them, even when they are looking at the competitions site....
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What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
That (allegedly) is one of the chief aims of the 2.1 update.
yeah vince,would you not be heading into trouble with that..
Can you tell me how you are going to get a PR5 homepage link from free, the sites used have whois privacy, on unique ip address they have 250-300 word articles with images to make them more natural, there is no foot print, that big G can trace.
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So you get on the first page of Google and someone visits, then what ?
They go away and visit another company, so does anyone use banner retargetting ? if not you should consider it.
Why would they go away if its what they want, only reason is they do not get what they want, you can check your bounce rate in Google analytics to see how long people stay on your site. When people type in carpet cleaning bradford, its beverage they want their carpets cleaned in Braford, if you are no1 you will get most off the traffic, if your prices are competative, they will pick up the phone and call you.
With banner adds you pay per impression, not per click, but if your site does not give them the user experiance they want, they will go to the next site
Because people shop around, you can not assume that because someone looking for carpet cleaning Bradford likes your site they will buy from you,,,retargetting works because you are constantly in front of them, even when they are looking at the competitions site....
Look at the guys who are constantly paying for click with Google, they can only do that if there site process enough income to support there advertising campaigns, then choose another city, and do the same, after that look at another city, look at there sites, they will have one thing in common, they convert traffic into ££s, design your site around theirs and make it better. It is not rocket science, now with this all done you have to get it where it is going to be seen, two ways seo your way to the top or pay per click, either way you will be in front of your prospective client. You will not be in front of your customers, you will be in front of your perspective customers, as your customers will only visit your site every 3 month, if that, so a good memorable domain will make it easier for them to remember your domain. How more memorable if your domain is exactly what they are searching for ie carpetcleaninginbradford,com, next time they need a carpet cleaned if they do not remember your name carpetcleaninginbradford, they will most certainly type it into the Google search, now if you have done your seo marketing you will still be there, when they next need you. Also remember your customer is not constantly searching for you, it is you who is constantly search for mew customers, then you have to service their needs, in order to keep them as your customers, this can be done in various methods, email, text, even a Christmas card, you have to be communicating with your customers, if you do not some one else will.
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What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
That (allegedly) is one of the chief aims of the 2.1 update.
Correction. Seems to aimed at mass backlinks (SeNuke type). Could be aimed at link velocity (speed of linkbuilding).
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Hey gary,man where do you guys learn this stuff.. :o
you think its worth a look?
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For what it's worth....here's my analisis based on fact and actual visitor activity and research over the last 18 months.
If you have perhaps several landing pages that rank No1 or near the top of the page for your given area, it is inevatable that anyone searching for you will hit the paid adwords add rather than your organic listing.
If say you have 10 landing pages that rank well and on page one, they will certainly generate some income and conversion during the busy times. These pages I would say could/would generate at least £200 to £400 per week during busy times, but next to nothing when times are quiet.
what I find is that most people do not scrholl down to the organic listings.
The results speak for themselves. Many companies who have good page rank including good Google + exposure still have to resort to Adwords.....unfortunatly
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For what it's worth....here's my analisis based on fact and actual visitor activity and research over the last 18 months.
If you have perhaps several landing pages that rank No1 or near the top of the page for your given area, it is inevatable that anyone searching for you will hit the paid adwords add rather than your organic listing.
If say you have 10 landing pages that rank well and on page one, they will certainly generate some income and conversion during the busy times. These pages I would say could/would generate at least £200 to £400 per week during busy times, but next to nothing when times are quiet.
what I find is that most people do not scrholl down to the organic listings.
The results speak for themselves. Many companies who have good page rank including good Google + exposure still have to resort to Adwords.....unfortunatly
Do you know how hard it would be to get 10 sites on the 1st page of google, I would say almost impossible. If I had 10 sites on the front page I would do about £16,000 a week. Orgain traffic gives the best results, take it from experts who eat this stuff for breakfast before they wake up, Google has adwords but it is not PPC, its a by product of there services, here is a report, read it and you will understand a bit more of orgainic results v PPC adwords.
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2200730/Organic-vs.-Paid-Search-Results-Organic-Wins-94-of-Time
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Vince,in your opinion where is this all going.google keeps changing the game.
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Vince,in your opinion where is this all going.google keeps changing the game.
Better content, content is king, just look at sites like IICRC.org v ncca.co.uk, and I had a link on the IICRC website before they changed it, all that is feft is contextual links. I have been reading all about the pander 2.1 update called the humming bird for the last three days. My eyes are watering, and my arse is getting flat. But the most funny thing is that google have no content on their page and they still have a PR 7 homepage, now the IICRC has a PR6, because of content now to get your site to a PR6 you will need a few PR8 links, now these cost arounf $2500 each , but the IICRC will have some big company linking to them, insurance company's, plus all its members. Im not going to try and get more sites on the first page, Im going to 301 a site to my money site, which has 100,000 links but they are very strong links, then I am going to seo my inner 120 pages to get them on the first page, as I am number one before the update, and after it, google must trust my site, so if I do not get any spammy links, but instead write 500 articles and post them on good PR sites.
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What if the next update hits paid links ,like from homepage .
That (allegedly) is one of the chief aims of the 2.1 update.
Correction. Seems to aimed at mass backlinks (SeNuke type). Could be aimed at link velocity (speed of linkbuilding).
SeNuke is a girly thing, I would run Senuke, and have Xrummer running, backling my backlinks that Senuke produced, I had a forum bot that would go into them register, confirm my registration, drop a few post in like "I am new here, great site, all comments were spun the bot would go back two weeks later, after the moderators have reviewed the sign up and drop the signature link in, then all the backlinks we put to the signature links would be live, you could so this at rate of 10,000 links an hour depending on your proxys, then we would use Scrapebox to scrape everyone's blog comments on blog networks, post to them and then back link the comments, then came Web 2.0 and tiered linking, alas all are not working. Which I think is a good thing it just leaves contextual links, I have 800 available to me. Just love what computer can do automatic, I put pu$$y and it automatically changed it to girly LMAO
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love to know what your talking about..alias lol
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Its all about automation, thats what google are stopping, giving the white hat seo a chance. Lets say you write an article on how to get urine out of a carpet, if you wrote it the way the IICRC taught you, it would be a very good article, you would be passing on your knowlage, your expertise and giving up your time to inform comsumers, what needed to be done, this then would get syndicated and you would get natural links from site that used your article, from your author bio, so you would get rewarded by getting white hat backlinks, but this would take for ever, so people take short cuts, I can take an article rewrite in in spintax form, then spin it 100 times with an 80% uniquness and get it pass by copyscape but it would read like garbage. No value to only the link it gives you, now should i get the benifit from cheating, when you slogged you guts out, the answer is no, but we were, until now.
This is a spun article, it gibberish. They have taken a good article, and spun it so it has no value, now Google doesn't know about carpet cleaning issues, so they used to let it go. Now they see its poor content and devalue your links from it.
Just read it
The very first and primary guideline to fully understand is the fact that you can damage things using a bad carpet cleaning. Water damage and bleaching are two common issues. There’s a balancing action involving utilizing sufficient water and making use of more than the cleanser can extract. It’s necessary to use sufficient solvent (solvents are just like industrial spot removers) to take out the dirt and spots but an excessive amount of can cause the water damage and leave the compounds inside your carpeting. You might also damage the carpet by cleaning up it too much or too frequently. You will need some specialist service in carpet cleaning in London to take care of your carpet cleaning.
Remember a very important factor Spots aren’t dirt. Your carpet has actually been stained, maybe not just by you, but at the factory. Normally that is the way your carpet gets its’ colour. Each kind of spot has its’ own chemical components. To undue that spot but not the factory stain you might need to use several substances of your own, that means producer recommended solvents.
With carpet cleaning in London company you can avail variety of services like shampoo, servicing, steam-cleaning, deep cleaning, deodorizing and a great deal more of carpets, carpeting and upholstery. The technician using this cleaning service business will supply all the info that you need and even give you a no- obligation estimate. They’ve personalized carpet-cleaning facilities depending on the use, type of spots and state of your own carpet. The carpet cleaners are equipped with organic and ecofriendly products which not merely clean your carpets, carpets or upholstery but in addition help to keep your loved ones safe by getting rid of things that trigger allergies, dustmites, pathogens and molds at the source by their cleaning. Carpet cleaning in London, utitlizes the latest technology, to bring your carpets back to new.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1381362259_Capture.JPG)
Did you buy that domain carpetcleaningdublin.com here are the keyword seach volumes
Result 1: 48 percent
Result 2: 12 percent
Result 3: 8 percent
Remainder: 32 percent
That will give you 768 clicks to your site a month, now make sure your site is buyer ready, and is able to turn suspects into prospects,
There is a link to under the post
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Vincent i bought carpet cleaning in Dublin
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Vincent i bought carpet cleaning in Dublin
Vincent i bought carpet cleaning in Dublin
Buy the hosting for the new domain, get the site cloned through you cpanel. login to your old website admin, do a 301 reditect to your new domain, this will enable anyone who goes to your old site, to be automatically redirected to your new site. It will also pass any links to your new site.
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Vince, will this effect the old site?if it ever comes back that is. Lol but won't it suffer the same as the old site because of the links on the old site must be hurting the ranking on the original.
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Yes it will effect your old site as you will have redirected it to your new site, but dont get hangups of your site. Most people love their sites, but its only digatal words, If you want to keep it, just make a copy of it rewrite the content and upload it, so you will still have unique content, even rename you pictures abc.jpeg to carpet cleaning dublin.jpeg,
carpet cleaning in dublin.jpeg. Site title should also be rewritten Carpet Cleaning Dublin | Carpet Cleaning in Dublin
Then your description needs to be worded so you catch the readers attention.
I mis read your post. Yes the links would hurt your new site, so just make a copy of the old site rewrite the content and upload it, that way you will have unique content, even rename you pictures abc.jpeg to carpet cleaning dublin.jpeg, carpet cleaning in dublin.jpeg. Site title should also be rewritten Carpet Cleaning Dublin | Carpet Cleaning in Dublin. Then your description needs to be worded so you catch the readers attention.
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vpurcell. can you tell me how my site ranks as just paid for full seo package ....
www.bcs-cleaning-services.com
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There it is No1 in Google with a few links pointed at it, Its actually beaten another site I have on Page 1
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1376407419_ccb.JPG)
Have I missed anything but I spoke to Web people and they said
your domain is Carpet Cleaning Anytown and which if you search Carpet Cleaning Anytown by default google will find your domain at top end due to it more relevant to the search.
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Have I missed anything but I spoke to Web people and they said
your domain is Carpet Cleaning Anytown and which if you search Carpet Cleaning Anytown by default google will find your domain at top end due to it more relevant to the search.
I would imagine they talk rubbish about other things too.
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Have I missed anything but I spoke to Web people and they said
your domain is Carpet Cleaning Anytown and which if you search Carpet Cleaning Anytown by default google will find your domain at top end due to it more relevant to the search.
I would imagine they talk rubbish about other things too.
As I said I not really a webby techy person as I am too busy actually Cleaning Windows & Carpets and etc
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There it is No1 in Google with a few links pointed at it, Its actually beaten another site I have on Page 1
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1376407419_ccb.JPG)
Have I missed anything but I spoke to Web people and they said
your domain is Carpet Cleaning Anytown and which if you search Carpet Cleaning Anytown by default google will find your domain at top end due to it more relevant to the search.
It will not always be the case, but it will help your seo efforts, a bit like an athlete taking steroids, he can run fast, without them, but with a little help he will be on top of his game
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vpurcell. can you tell me how my site ranks as just paid for full seo package ....
www.bcs-cleaning-services.com
What keywords are you targeting? As it stands at the moment, you have been indexed by google and have only one back link from a well know site, but you have no pagerank. What seo package did you buy?
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Mainly carpet and upholstery cleaning as this bring in the most income.
Something like carpet cleaning stroud( where we are based)
Carpet cleaning Gloucester or Gloucestershire
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According to web designers it was a full seo package
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Did they tell you what they were going to do?
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How much was the SEO package Ben and who with?
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Did they tell you what they were going to do?
No they said full seo package
Shown me there site which was number 1 on google
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How much was the SEO package Ben and who with?
£600 and techshopboys.co.uk
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Check their url techshopboys.co.uk
It has no website showing up.
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Check their url techshopboys.co.uk
It has no website showing up.
www.thetechshopboys.co.uk
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I know this is an old thread but having read it, well most of it :), i am still trying to work out if it is going to be worthwhile building a new site or sites aimed at towns / cities near to me and seo them to get on page 1 of Google. The problem i find is that you have the PPC at the top and then the 7 pack (Google Places / maps) and then the organic listings or though you occasionally get one organic above Places. I am usually 1st or 3rd for places in my nearest town but obviously can not get another site listed on Places in further away towns or cities so that leaves me PPC or SEO. I would rather go down the SEO route but is it worth it when you have usually 3 ppc ad's and then up to 7 Google Places and then the organic links, so do any of you get a lot of work of organic links rather than places?
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i would totally disregard anything in this thread as most of it will be out of date. area specific URL's are (i believe) coming to an end. Concentrate on your business name and build in natural seo to your site with quality (not quantity) links and citations. social signals are a must as is fresh relative content.
Thats all i got. ;D
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Yeah I know a lot has changed Derek but my main question is how can organic listings compete with Places and PPC as most of the organic listings are further down the page, is it worth trying to seo your site if it is going to be below these two groups. :)
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the more spaces you allocate for your business the more you'll get clicked and the less chance your cpmpetitors have of getting clicked, you should be targeting all 3, 1 off the top 3 PPC, places and organic and if you can squeeze in some blog posts as well, even better.
But then i would say that as i dont really do any other marketing other than database.
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With SEO & Google constanly changing is it worth paying a seo company , we see seo companies constantly spamming CIU.
if people are paying companies to do this would they not be better just using pay per click?
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With SEO & Google constanly changing is it worth paying a seo company , we see seo companies constantly spamming CIU.
if people are paying companies to do this would they not be better just using pay per click?
Spamming forums is not SEO / internet marketing.
It's just some chancers making a quick buck out of people who don't know any better.
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Agreed Gary i'm just trying to work out if it is worthwhile trying to target some near by towns with a new sites when i won't be able to get on Google Places as i will be too far away but will it be worth my while getting on front page of google in the natural listings when places and PPC are above, i just can't see much traffic filtering down that far. I guess i won't know until i try but if anyone has any feedback........
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if you search google for say "carpet cleaning in chester" when you get to organic listing check to see the highlighted words in your url like carpet cleaning chester etc and if they are in your url they will be highlighted.
to me this shows that the words in your url are totally relevant to google still.
but nothing beats a website that has good content and traffic ,
Time and money are the main reason cc websites dont rank . if you have both your on to a winner.
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Richard,
Out of the two (not ideal) options, I'd go for adding pages to your existing site. Here's why.
1/ Ranking a new site is a pain and you will have to write fresh content for each one. If there is little or no competition, an exact match domain will still do it (as long as you are not going to do much link building later).
2/ Your existing site has some history (age / authority) so an additional page will have more "worth" than a brand new domain (assuming your existing domain is "clean" - no penalty).
Make sure it's a "quality" page (plenty of unique content) not just a couple of paragraphs.
Whether that alone is enough to get you above the places results is doubtful (depends on competition in the other towns).
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Cheers Garry, i am actually building a new website on wordpress to encompass hardfloor cleaning and it is a different site and address to my main carpet cleaning site, finally got Google verify code today, so this is a new site anyway and is ranking on page on for some key phrases but it is now a question of building new pages, posts like you say to optimize it for different areas, not sure whether i will try to keep it all on one site or go for some smaller sites with key word rich domains to target specific area's.
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Hi Richard,
I've recently switched over to wordpress from Joomla. I recommend downloading the Yoast SEO plugin for wordpress. This has helped dramatically with my SEO rankings and is very simply to use.