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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: andyM on July 23, 2013, 04:53:07 pm
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Any good?
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gardeners sell em so must be ;D
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i was hoping for some info on these as well
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buy it and give us a review ;D
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
Well summed up.
The one you have the CFB-Plus replaces all three of your standard pre-filters and can last up to 3 times longer than economy filters. The slightly more expensive ones the CFBC have a longer carbon reduction life and can last up to 5 times longer than standard pre-filters. They are best matched with a 5 micron sediment filters to avoid clogging up on water supplies with a high sediment content (which quite a lot of us in the UK do have).
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How much Alex for the cfbc ? Do you have any links ? (I need to start my own water production water here in Manchester is good about 80 so fairly soft would I need an ro with this or is it all 1package? Cheers Shane)
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How much Alex for the cfbc ? Do you have any links ? (I need to start my own water production water here in Manchester is good about 80 so fairly soft would I need an ro with this or is it all 1package? Cheers Shane)
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Filters.html
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Cheers Ben ;)
Ps as I'm just starting out on the water production at home do you guys think this is the best setup ?
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/P1000_P2000_Portable_RO_Units.html
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
Well summed up.
The one you have the CFB-Plus replaces all three of your standard pre-filters and can last up to 3 times longer than economy filters. The slightly more expensive ones the CFBC have a longer carbon reduction life and can last up to 5 times longer than standard pre-filters. They are best matched with a 5 micron sediment filters to avoid clogging up on water supplies with a high sediment content (which quite a lot of us in the UK do have).
If I remember correctly when these just came out this info wasn't available on the website. I've never heard of our tap water having a high sediment (rust flakes, sand etc) content though?
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How much Alex for the cfbc ? Do you have any links ? (I need to start my own water production water here in Manchester is good about 80 so fairly soft would I need an ro with this or is it all 1package? Cheers Shane)
The CFB-Plus is £14 for the 10" - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Filters.html
This would just take care of your Chlorine reduction you would then need something to remove the dissolved solids.
You could do this with just a DI vessel and resin beads - you would get about 2000 litres from a 7 litre DI vessel which means it would cost you about £17 per 2000 litres of pure water.
The better way would be with an RO system. Depending on how fast you need to process this would depend on which RO system to go for. You would then also need a DI vessel after the RO to polish it the last little bit.
If you are processing into a large storage container (IBC) and then transferring into a vehicle tank you may be able to get away with a relatively slow RO such as - http://www.ro-man.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=22_93&product_id=150 This is probably the lowest cost way of producing water with costs as low as £1 per 2000 litres
If you need to process water more quickly then a faster commercial RO such as the EZ-Pure range would be more suitable. It would cost slightly more to run at about £1 per 1500 litres.
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Alex whats the optimum water pressure for the HF5 Ez-Pure?
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Alex whats the optimum water pressure for the HF5 Ez-Pure?
Optimum is 70psi - they can work well down to even as low as 40psi, but quality and volume are affected.
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
Well summed up.
The one you have the CFB-Plus replaces all three of your standard pre-filters and can last up to 3 times longer than economy filters. The slightly more expensive ones the CFBC have a longer carbon reduction life and can last up to 5 times longer than standard pre-filters. They are best matched with a 5 micron sediment filters to avoid clogging up on water supplies with a high sediment content (which quite a lot of us in the UK do have).
If I remember correctly when these just came out this info wasn't available on the website. I've never heard of our tap water having a high sediment (rust flakes, sand etc) content though?
Some areas are worse than others and over the last few months we have had a few clients who have found that the CFBC without pre-sediment filter has clogged up due to muddy water. It really does depend on the area you get your water from.
The flow through rate of the CFB-Plus is also better for users with lower input pressures.
However for those with clean water and good pressure the CFBC has amazing chlorine reduction capacity.
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so these new filters do you need 1 and leave the other capsules empty or three of the same ?
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so these new filters do you need 1 and leave the other capsules empty or three of the same ?
just one
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
Well summed up.
The one you have the CFB-Plus replaces all three of your standard pre-filters and can last up to 3 times longer than economy filters. The slightly more expensive ones the CFBC have a longer carbon reduction life and can last up to 5 times longer than standard pre-filters. They are best matched with a 5 micron sediment filters to avoid clogging up on water supplies with a high sediment content (which quite a lot of us in the UK do have).
If I remember correctly when these just came out this info wasn't available on the website. I've never heard of our tap water having a high sediment (rust flakes, sand etc) content though?
Some areas are worse than others and over the last few months we have had a few clients who have found that the CFBC without pre-sediment filter has clogged up due to muddy water. It really does depend on the area you get your water from.
The flow through rate of the CFB-Plus is also better for users with lower input pressures.
However for those with clean water and good pressure the CFBC has amazing chlorine reduction capacity.
Hi Alex,
When you say "reduction" rather than "removal", please can you tell us what this means. The CAG carbon filters have a service life of 2500 GALS of chlorine removal, but there is a big difference between chlorine removal and reduction.
Thanks.
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I've got one, does a good job. Only need that one filter. You have a choice of 2. One finer than the other. If you live in a high sediment area don't buy the finer one.
Mr. G is online, so I'm sure he will refine my comment ;D
Well summed up.
The one you have the CFB-Plus replaces all three of your standard pre-filters and can last up to 3 times longer than economy filters. The slightly more expensive ones the CFBC have a longer carbon reduction life and can last up to 5 times longer than standard pre-filters. They are best matched with a 5 micron sediment filters to avoid clogging up on water supplies with a high sediment content (which quite a lot of us in the UK do have).
If I remember correctly when these just came out this info wasn't available on the website. I've never heard of our tap water having a high sediment (rust flakes, sand etc) content though?
Some areas are worse than others and over the last few months we have had a few clients who have found that the CFBC without pre-sediment filter has clogged up due to muddy water. It really does depend on the area you get your water from.
The flow through rate of the CFB-Plus is also better for users with lower input pressures.
However for those with clean water and good pressure the CFBC has amazing chlorine reduction capacity.
Hi Alex,
When you say "reduction" rather than "removal", please can you tell us what this means. The CAG carbon filters have a service life of 2500 GALS of chlorine removal, but there is a big difference between chlorine removal and reduction.
Thanks.
Semantically there is a difference between Reduction & Removal. On this occasion however I used the two words interchangeably - apologies if this caused confusion.
The sentence should have perhaps better read:
However for those with clean water and good pressure the CFBC has an amazing chlorine removal capacity - (10" = 16,500 GALS)
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Hi Alex,
When you say "reduction" rather than "removal", please can you tell us what this means. The CAG carbon filters have a service life of 2500 GALS of chlorine removal, but there is a big difference between chlorine removal and reduction.
Thanks.
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Semantically there is a difference between Reduction & Removal. On this occasion however I used the two words interchangeably - apologies if this caused confusion.
The sentence should have perhaps better read:
However for those with clean water and good pressure the CFBC has an amazing chlorine removal capacity - (10" = 16,500 GALS)
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Hi Alex,
I have a CFBC-20 that has 152000 litre life. Please can you tell me what that means; ie., will it remove all chlorine in the water of 152000 litres of water?
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Hi Alex,
I have a CFBC-20 that has 152000 litre life. Please can you tell me what that means; ie., will it remove all chlorine in the water of 152000 litres of water?
This is correct. It has enough chlorine absorbing material within the filter to remove the chlorine from 152,000 litres of standard supply municipal water treated with the correct amount of chlorine (Standard UK type water)
Obviously if using on non-standard water supply with too high an amount of chlorine present then the useable life would be shorter.
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Thanks for clarifying this for me.
I am always worried that I overplay this issue of chlorine removal.
It was only with the last change of filters on my now retired RoMan 450GPD r/o that I saw that the CAG 10" filters were only good for 2500 GALS which I presumed were American Gallons. As I usually changed all prefilters every 3 months and with calculating the amount of water we processed (pure plus waste) I realised that I used far more water than the 2500 GALS between each filter change.
As my membranes still lasted 6 years, my conclusion was that something just didn't add up.
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Thanks for clarifying this for me.
I am always worried that I overplay this issue of chlorine removal.
It was only with the last change of filters on my now retired RoMan 450GPD r/o that I saw that the CAG 10" filters were only good for 2500 GALS which I presumed were American Gallons. As I usually changed all prefilters every 3 months and with calculating the amount of water we processed (pure plus waste) I realised that I used far more water than the 2500 GALS between each filter change.
As my membranes still lasted 6 years, my conclusion was that something just didn't add up.
With the RO-Man systems you do have two chlorine removing filters one after the other. We have a slightly strange situation with these domestic ROs where it has become standard practice to have three pre-filters (1x sediment and 2x chlorine). Within the general RO industry this is an unusual arrangement as there is not a lot of point having two chlorine filters one after the other as the second one will only really come into action after the first one has stopped removing chlorine. It does double up on chlorine removal though which is probably why you have got away with not changing as often as the capacity states. Also down here where we live there is often less chlorine used in the water than in many cities - Plymouth water on the other hand tastes foul from chlorine.
A more industry standard pre-filter set-up is to have a sediment filter and a chlorine filter - if there is a third pre-filter it would usually be another finer sediment filter to protect the membrane from any carbon fines.
The Fibredyne pre-filter range is a clever way of reducing the need for pre-filters and increasing life through the use of innovative technology. I use them in my house as well for all of our drinking water and I have noticed that they strip the chlorine out far more effectively and at higher flow rates than the previous economy filters I was using.
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Thanks for clarifying this for me.
I am always worried that I overplay this issue of chlorine removal.
It was only with the last change of filters on my now retired RoMan 450GPD r/o that I saw that the CAG 10" filters were only good for 2500 GALS which I presumed were American Gallons. As I usually changed all prefilters every 3 months and with calculating the amount of water we processed (pure plus waste) I realised that I used far more water than the 2500 GALS between each filter change.
As my membranes still lasted 6 years, my conclusion was that something just didn't add up.
With the RO-Man systems you do have two chlorine removing filters one after the other. We have a slightly strange situation with these domestic ROs where it has become standard practice to have three pre-filters (1x sediment and 2x chlorine). Within the general RO industry this is an unusual arrangement as there is not a lot of point having two chlorine filters one after the other as the second one will only really come into action after the first one has stopped removing chlorine. It does double up on chlorine removal though which is probably why you have got away with not changing as often as the capacity states. Also down here where we live there is often less chlorine used in the water than in many cities - Plymouth water on the other hand tastes foul from chlorine.
A more industry standard pre-filter set-up is to have a sediment filter and a chlorine filter - if there is a third pre-filter it would usually be another finer sediment filter to protect the membrane from any carbon fines.
The Fibredyne pre-filter range is a clever way of reducing the need for pre-filters and increasing life through the use of innovative technology. I use them in my house as well for all of our drinking water and I have noticed that they strip the chlorine out far more effectively and at higher flow rates than the previous economy filters I was using.
Our 450GPD r/o was originally a 75GPD and only had 1 carbon filter as the third housing was the resin filter. I never changed that when I upgraded the membranes, just added an extra 2 x 10" housings and filled them with resin as well.
I am also going to put a filter into our drinking water line under the kitchen sink. I was going to use the spare 20" housing, but as our water is so full of dirt, I can't take the sediment filter out. I would expect that a standard 10" housing would work with 1/2" fittings.
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I just did less then 9000 litres on the CFBC variant and it got blocked up, quite a bit of pressure loss over prefilters. Replaced it with the CFB-Plus and my pressure afer prefilters doubled, and TDS out went from 25 to 13ppm, from 296ppm.
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If you DI only is there any need for prefilters?