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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: neiljoust on July 17, 2013, 04:41:11 pm
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hi as anyone used the canvasser whizz bizz please
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If you Pay him £1200 including travel and hotels and he will give you £700 of paying customers then £500 on the second clean, many people have used him but you MUST follow his procedure otherwise he won't be able to Guarantee those figures , he canvasses different you DON'T get Promised the world you get promised Financially,if you don't get that amount of money back and you followed his procedure you get a partial refund, I think this year he he has only refunded one person, so you get your £1200 back in paying customers Provided you do it his way
after that long term stick rates vary
U need to call him and ask for recent references who will be honest with you everyone will have a different opinion he has plenty,and most were quite satisfied
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So £1200 of work for the cost of £1200 1x. Thats a realy good deal. Cheapest roundbuilder there is. Im happy to pay a clean value for good work.
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Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces
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Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces
I dont understand Crystal, how is it structured?
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I'd be happy to pay 1x for good work too mate who wouldn't ;)
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its simple , its 1200 for 500 quids worth of work .
Thats 200 expenses and 500 at x2 =1000
so he gets 1200 faces (people that say yes at the door) a lot of canvassers leave it at that as job done.
This gets filtered down using a text /phone call by whizz then you should have around 700 in first cleans , likely to drop to 500 by the second clean.
any less he refunds that amount or replaces i believe.
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Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces
I dont understand Crystal, how is it structured?
Basically as you know mick the perfect customer doesn't exist, no one has a crystal ball how many times have you heard yeah yeah yeah!! Every month then next time who are you? What are you doing we don't want a window cleaner,
The reason why in my opinion canvassers stop trading is cos they sell the customer and at a wack of 200%, when that customer cancels (lets face it its a 50-50 chance) check your first clean payers to stick ratio if you have been solely canvassing it should be around the 50% mark?
So ofc mayjor problems arise canvassers have this amazing plan to take the world over charge 200% pay staff 100% get a load of money pay wages next month half cancel half has already been paid to staff other half canvasser may have spent, no real refund is possible right?
With whizz, he only aims to get you £700 then £500 its a simple transaction
The rest is up to you ,
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its simple , its 1200 for 500 quids worth of work .
Thats 200 expenses and 500 at x2 =1000
so he gets 1200 faces (people that say yes at the door) a lot of canvassers leave it at that as job done.
This gets filtered down using a text /phone call by whizz then you should have around 700 in first cleans , likely to drop to 500 by the second clean
any less he refunds that amount or replaces i believe.
Almost mate except he is out after that £500 on 2nd if he does anymore admin or top ups would solely be at his discretion
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Well im sure some of the 50 guys he has canvassed for will speak soon.
Is your name sasha by any chance?? He said when i spoke to him he stays with sasha from the forum??. That would explain why your speaking for him and biggin him up. Bottom line is sasha that as long as the right houses are targeted cancalations will be at a minimum! How do i know that??? Because thats how i do it.
A crap canvasser would sign any old crap up and hope for the best! Where as a good canvasser would plan it out and not target easy houses where retention will drop so low hence canvassing having a bad name.
75 first cleans have been done with my stepdads round and all are happy and havnt lost 1 due to everyone owns there house and areas chosen have been good. Im expecting to lose 20% but as yet nothing so going good.
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Bottom line is sasha that as long as the right houses are targeted cancalations will be at a minimum! How do i know that??? Because thats how i do it.
A crap canvasser would sign any old crap up and hope for the best! Where as a good canvasser would plan it out and not target easy houses where retention will drop so low hence canvassing having a bad name.
75 first cleans have been done with my stepdads round and all are happy and havnt lost 1 due to everyone owns there house and areas chosen have been good. Im expecting to lose 20% but as yet nothing so going good.
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Yes mate.
Im mates with him since 3-4 years ago when he first started,he used to stay at mine but I have never stuck up for him, or said its amazing its amazing
His package is or isn't for you , all I have said is he will try his best and is honest won't do a runner if it's worth it for anyone is up to them.to buy it or not,I haven't used him since feb I also get a much better deal cos he stays at mine therefor it used to work for me,
he has had 15 or so window cleaners use him this year I'm sure they will all have different views its important for anyone considering to use him to make calls ask questions before you book him. He will answer them . Get things in writing so you both get a copy etc etc , ages ago I said and I'm still saying dont just chuck money at him
It's bloody hard work establishing first clean payers , All he promises is £700 then £500 on 2nd no perfect customers .
But mick those stick rates u are saying are amazing and only 20% to cancel I can't say anything to that Apart from if you are offering canvassing services then people need to use you too.its very impressive
I found home owners houses helps a bit but doesn't stop the drop rate to be honest the fun factor of window cleaning has been worn down a bit only ever experienced 50% cancelation finding it a bit annoying so treating my bussniess a bit like a job which is something I never used too.
I find establishing single value canvassed work very annoying when you already have a round. So only charge more on first but sometime the pick up rate can be horrible and its sole destroying getting say 2-3 leads rather then 15
By the way I noticed the other topic and I'm not on anyone's side, I think you have a point you haven't really bad mouthed him on the other hand canvassing for mark is his only sorce of income he is a self employed canvasser , its not easy for him of that £1200 he spends as much as £600 in expensis some jobs take 10 days , so he is really trying his best to make it work and maybe that's why he got a bit defensive
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I will be watching this thread , would be nice to hear from people that have parted with cash and see how they have found his work as I have a week to fill up in Essex and I would be more then happy to pay him 1200 pounds to help fill this week
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wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here
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Yes mate.
Im mates with him since 3-4 years ago when he first started,he used to stay at mine but I have never stuck up for him, or said its amazing its amazing
His package is or isn't for you , all I have said is he will try his best and is honest won't do a runner if it's worth it for anyone is up to them.to buy it or not,I haven't used him since feb I also get a much better deal cos he stays at mine therefor it used to work for me,
he has had 15 or so window cleaners use him this year I'm sure they will all have different views its important for anyone considering to use him to make calls ask questions before you book him. He will answer them . Get things in writing so you both get a copy etc etc , ages ago I said and I'm still saying dont just chuck money at him
It's bloody hard work establishing first clean payers , All he promises is £700 then £500 on 2nd no perfect customers .
But mick those stick rates u are saying are amazing and only 20% to cancel I can't say anything to that Apart from if you are offering canvassing services then people need to use you too.its very impressive
I found home owners houses helps a bit but doesn't stop the drop rate to be honest the fun factor of window cleaning has been worn down a bit only ever experienced 50% cancelation finding it a bit annoying so treating my bussniess a bit like a job which is something I never used too.
I find establishing single value canvassed work very annoying when you already have a round. So only charge more on first but sometime the pick up rate can be horrible and its sole destroying getting say 2-3 leads rather then 15
By the way I noticed the other topic and I'm not on anyone's side, I think you have a point you haven't really bad mouthed him on the other hand canvassing for mark is his only sorce of income he is a self employed canvasser , its not easy for him of that £1200 he spends as much as £600 in expensis some jobs take 10 days , so he is really trying his best to make it work and maybe that's why he got a bit defensive
Im glad you see it like that as i want him to do well! It ped me off if im honest that he would suggest such crap about me trying to bring me down.
Im a possitive guy so when he says sorry for making assumptions ill forget about it.
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wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here
And that is how it should be.. To have the ultimate reliable round then reliable decent people need to be targeted hence the best person to canvass your business up is yourself! Failing that could always use me lol.
if i get a customer i like to think its a long term custy and if i get an inclin they will be a messer i rip the canvass form up.
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Hehe I know mate. I just rang him n told him that you had a point he is stressed out hasn't been home in 5 weeks his misses is screaming at him to get back,, + traveling today to meet a new client with a massive suitcase and the heat today almost unbearable , plus he spent a bit too much on his last job when they area is hard he grits his teeth but it catches up with you Im sure you 2 will be fine when he's more relaxed lol
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wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here
Wow 0.01 % cancelation Im moving to ashford ;)
Mick what are your forms like ? never tryed forms before
The mayjor problem is people what to see it first some are genuine some say
No thanks for regular say not happy use any excuse to cancel does your form ask them to commit?
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wish i could get motivated to canvass, feel done in from cleaning in this heat
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wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here
Wow 0.01 % cancelation Im moving to ashford ;)
Mick what are your forms like ? never tryed forms before
The mayjor problem is people what to see it first some are genuine some say
No thanks for regular say not happy use any excuse to cancel does your form ask them to commit?
on my forms
Without telling canvassers i dont do 1 off cleans i have- 4 weekly/8weeky. If satisfied its a good job i will keep service. 1 off clean.
Most people tick if satisfied which is good for canvassing reasons if they councal due to poor service from cleaner.
Doing targeted areas where all or most are bougt houses 1 off requests are at a minimum and i never do them as to me a waste of time when needing regular work so to stop canvassers signing regular 1 offs up i pay them for the odd few they get to stop any future issues!. As mad as it sounds it keeps good decent customers coming in without canvassers ripping me off. If 1 in 20 asks for 1 off which is roughly what it is then i just take the hit.
Also with all new customer i tell them id always unblock there gutters for free if any probs to compensate if they doubt my £10 frontal charge, it all works and customer appreaciates the fact im willing to go that little bit further to keep them happy.
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wish i could get motivated to canvass, feel done in from cleaning in this heat
Tell me about it!! I was meant to go out last night but was too dead from the heat in the day so i failed misarably last night, hopeing to make up for it 2moz.
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Heres how the marketing package Whizz-Bizz provides works:
When people pay the £1200 upfront (£350 deposit) I get them £1200 in FACES
(FACES are people that have a genuine interest in one or more of your services)
These FACES are data captured people, at this stage.
Very relaxed. Very interested. We remove out call backs and jobs for in the future people. Generally £200 in total. This £200 I call on the agreed dates.
You then text the remainder quite a liary text from your phone, from this text we will lose £300 (maximum). Reasons vary, from changed mind, want to be in, can’t afford, old cleaner turns up, couldn’t say no face to face, bad mood, raining. Your guess is as good as mine.
These are not dead FACES I call them the following month with the view to rebook. We can generally say £80-£150 will be recaptured.
You now have £700 in straight turn up cleans, that you haven’t had to ring or argue with, you arrive , look smart and do the job to the best of your ability.
At the end of the clean you hand/post them a letter thru the door. We co write this letter.
In the letter we lay down the law, and explain about the criteria of being on the round.
From the £700 first clean total I expect £200 to drop off, varied reasons, didn’t like it, cant afford, moody, water on windows, lying so and so, letter miffed them. This £200 is not dead deals I call them the following month. Looking to salvage £50-£100.
Even if it drops below the £500 agreed repeat total short term we still have £500 in faces to recall with an estimated recapture total of £130-£250.
I DO NOT CHARGE ON ONE OFFS ON WINDOW ONE OFFS.
All YOU have to do with me is send one block text, take payments and clean. Very little stress for you.
We even have a generic text that you send out, that filters out messers immediately.
My job description as far as I see it
I go to the door and I find happy smiley people that want to give you money.
Whilst at the door I do an ice break, a price, a close, write on their card, tell them about payment methods, take frequency explain about water on windows. Then I Re explain it all again to them.
Then I do databases in the evening, then call all messers, cancellations and call backs later down the line etc.
I promise you, do it my way and it will be the most stress free canvassed work you have ever had.
So in English this is what you get for your £1200 UP FRONT (£350 deposit)
£700 in payers (MINIMUM)
£500 in repeat work (MINIMUM)
Ongoing support
15+ hours of telesales (MINIMUM)
We travel anywhere in the U.K with no extra costs.
Whether it takes 1 day or 3 weeks, we stay till the end.
On any work that exceeds the agreed amount you get a 2 clean credit facility.
We do not charge on 1 offs on window work.
All hotels/travelling/food are covered
We book in any additional services that you may offer.
You get us when you want us
You get a contract in which you can add stipulations
An invoice
We do not ask for a minimum amount of times to use us
We actively look to book fronts, which is easier work for the cleaner
You know exactly what your getting on every booking with us.
We are on facebook, twitter and have a website.
We will produce references from 5 people that have used us.
We work in all weathers.
You will receive between 70-120 customers every time you use us
Our number one objective is to get you as much of your investment back on the first clean
Most importantly is we do not mislead you.
Its actually cheaper to use us than the no money up front guys when you factor everything in, unless your using someone local.
It is the best offer out there for anyone that is looking at expanding their round quickly with little stress.
Hope this answers many of your questions, feel free to call me anytime.
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Thanks Crystal Clear for your support there, and yes we are mates Mick but thats what happens when you work with someone and do a good job for them over 3 years, many of my guys are now my mates and we have strong relationships.
If you have any doubts ( which you do ) in regards to me getting 20+ deals a day why dont you ask this guy http://www.yourwindowcleaner.org/services.html he spent 6 hours with me side by side being trained in door knocking in which he witnessed me getting 28 deals in this time.
Now Mick Im certainly not trying to bring you down its just every time I come on this forum your talking about me, when you dont know me. It just feels that since our last phone conversation in which you expressed your desire to be a 50/50 partner and your plan to take over the whole country between the 2 us, which I declined youve had a bit of a bee in your bonnett.
Now I do, do a bit of work with another canvassing crew and we work well together with many mutual clients.So much so they have put me on their website http://www.canvassers4cleaners.co.uk/services.
Yes I do get 1 offs but they are not targeted and this is why I look to generate excessive amounts of customers to cover this. I really am not worried about you setting up your own canvassing team, as Im more than happy doing what Im doing and wish you all the best. So like I said yesterday if you could kindly stop talking about me its appreciated.
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Whizz are you still on drugs or on your period or something?? Your deluded! I never speak about you on here and i do not wish to go 50/50 with you or anyone as i dont need to. Give me a reason why id want to hand over 50% of my teams work when your a 1 man band??.
the only time i mentioned you was to recomend you to someone looking for a canvasser and to do a canvassing challange for some strange reason your twisting possitive things i said about you with negative(straing)??. Stop being a drama queen like i said i have no means to effect what you do coz i like people doing well! It seems your trying to make me look small for some strange reason?
I want an apology from you please as im not what your making out!?.
I dont like falling out with people but when someone accuses me of something i do like bad mouth them or always talk about them i like to see proof???. I only come onto this forum so the proof Should be on here that i always talk about you??.
Go on find it or apologise and be the better man.
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=169913.0
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=173620.0
And this post which says whizz-bizz at the top and we end up reading about how your canvassing works.
Listen Im sorry if Im miss reading things but Im extremely sensitive about people talking about me, when they dont know me. You do talk alot of sense on here and do help alot of people, people listen to what you say. The way I do things is very different to what everyone else does. Now your insignuating I'm a drug user, which isnt the case. All I want is a quiet life and to be able to do what I do which is knock doors.
Im more than happy to apoloise in advance if Im wrong
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now you girls have stopped hiting each other with your handbags can we get someone whos used billy or both of you to give us there views on the service your having a go at each other about !!!!
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Having a website does a lot for your credibility Whizz, and you do look to have a good system, will be getting in touch shortly.
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My god all I wanted is to make sure where my money is going and what return
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My god all I wanted is to make sure where my money is going and what return
lol same here ! if you go first why not keep a log of what happened and how well it went ?
then let us all know , I will if he comes and works for me , dates , times , what customers feed back was like this way having all the info at hand its the only way of knowing if its been good money or not ? even when takeing phone calls in , I always , always ask how they got the number , and write it down next to the job so I can look back I see whats payed and what as not
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well whizz bizz that sounds like a good service, when can you come to cheltenham???
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Admin is the key to any campaign working, sorry about the agro I really am a relaxed person generally. I can supply plenty of refs and next free date is 24th October. Essex is a massive area for me and currently have 9 clients in that area so very subject to availability
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Admin is the key to any campaign working, sorry about the agro I really am a relaxed person generally. I can supply plenty of refs and next free date is 24th October. Essex is a massive area for me and currently have 9 clients in that area so very subject to availability
ill take the 24th or befour if you want to meet up for a chat , you will have to meet the hubby , don't worrie hes nice don't let the gold and the size of him put you off. he just cant let the traveling roots die when out of work time
if you do a good job ill have you every 4-6 months on a rolling rota if you can put the work where your mouth is ill fill your bank account as your helping fill mine works for us both
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Drop me an email Ill send you over the details