Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 08, 2013, 09:23:40 pm
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I'm talking about the 'top end' ones.
Why is it that some manufacturers can use 1 cord to run their machines and others use 2?
Is it because of parallel or series and the way that they are set up?
Shaun
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Uk manufactures seem to stick to 13amps per cord , as far as i know this is meet legal trading standards .
So some UK manufactures put all the vacs and pump on cord1 ... because they believe cord2 is better used to provide 3000w of water heating power .
In order to do this they may have to compromise a little in vac or pump performance ,
but that depends also on the efficiency of the vac motors used .
Other manufactures put one motor and a large pump on cord one and another motor and perhaps a pumpout pump on cord two .
The disadvantage is they cant now put a decent heater on either cord one or cord two . One exception to this may be the Alltec Evolution which gets around this problem by puttins a 1000w heater on cord1 and another 1000w on cord two , so 2000w inline heater ( they also have a 3kw immersion but it has to be used when vacs are off )
Some manufactures have a version off both options ...
for example the Airflex storm would have ...
7.5 amps on cord one ( one 6.6)
approx 12 amps on cord two . ( one 6.6 + large pump )
The airflex custom would have ..
approx 13amps on cord one ( 7amp electro + 4amp electro + smaller pump )
cord 2 13amps ( 3000w built in inline heater )
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Trying not to go down the series parallel debate if you put everything on one cord forgetting heat then surely you'll get less vacuum.
Shaun
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Shaun
Look at this baby
http://www.tv.carpet-cleaning-buzz.com/latest-carpet-cleaning-videos/?sort=latest&slg=hybrid-and-electric-truck-mount
respects
Ian
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Shaun
Look at this baby
http://www.tv.carpet-cleaning-buzz.com/latest-carpet-cleaning-videos/?sort=latest&slg=hybrid-and-electric-truck-mount
respects
Ian
Unfortunately the company is bust already ... so no more
really nice design though ...
It is 120v designed in a way ... @ 230v we can easily get away with at least 4 vacs without a generator .
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Trying not to go down the series parallel debate if you put everything on one cord forgetting heat then surely you'll get less vacuum.
Shaun
Perhaps a bit less overall in Airwatts , but that may be worth sacrificing for 3kw of inbuilt heat ... or two heaters on a threeway switch .
If you put two high powered vacs and a big pump on two cords you are not using the total available amps per cord .
Three vacs and a big pump on two cords is using most of the available amps but u cant fit heat then either .
Its all a compromise ...
Series is more suitable to combining non matching vacs on one cord ..
non matching vacs combined in parallel will only have the lift of the weakest vac .
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I understand portables, they take three times longer than a TM. Just done a two bed flat all with with a porty, 2.40 hours, could have done in forty minutes with the TM. Bloody tower blocks. :'(
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Don't have any of this grief with a rotary :P :P
;D
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could have done in forty minutes with the TM. Bloody tower blocks. :'(
I take it in that case you don't prep ie. pre-vac, pre-spray, dwell, aggitate etc. it would be a quick in and out straight over once job for that amount of time, or do you have some sort of magic wand?
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guys with TM think that their machines do all the preparations, thay just think that such a powerfull machine do not need vacuuming, prespraying agitation etc. ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1373390531_tin hat.jpg)
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Wonder what the maximum you could get on 1 cord?
Shaun
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Who said anything about no Pre-spray, agitation?
Truck mounts are about speed and supreme quality and being four times faster than a portable. ;D
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You said 3 times in your post earlier, you'll be telling us next it was waterless ;D
Shaun
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simon, how it can be 3-4 times faster, most of the time is the vacuuming, prespraying, agitation, spot removing etc,
think that you are comparing TM with the slug doctor or puzzi. ;D definitaly not with the powerfull portable.
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Radek,
Do yourself a favour, before commenting on something you clearly know nothing about, have a day out with a busy truck mount operator, it will seriously open your eyes to a completely different world.
Simon
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Do yourself a favour, before commenting on something you clearly know nothing about, have a day out with a busy truck mount operator,
Simon
That is you out of the running in more than 1 way.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's why I didn't offer myself up as a shining example of how to print money at an alarming rate ;D
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Radek the need for spot removal is seriously reduced when you use a truck mount infact it's a different way of cleaning irrelevant of which is best where as major agitation is needed for many systems to make the chemical work the high flush of a truck mount takes a lot (not all) of the stubborn spots and soiling out, I do much prefer to go through the full routine but I haven't got the power Simon has, I saw it working at the tacca day and it is everything you'd want it to be and more but my small cleaning budget wouldn't allow me to buy one as its far poorer over this side of the Pennines.
Shaun
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That's why I didn't offer myself up as a shining example of how to print money at an alarming rate ;D
:P :P
;D
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We run a TM and portables of various sizes. Even using a TM it takes us 40 mins to prep a 2 bedroom flat, often longer, then the time to clean the carpets properly. Anyone saying different is very misleading, misguided or so far up their behinds ::)roll
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Prep should be same for both the actually cleaning and or flushing with spot removal is greatly quicker.
Shaun
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Now, now, no need to be insulting, just because people have a different experience of doing the same thing you do only differently, doesn't make them wrong, or as you put it up their own behinds.
Simon
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not saying that is completaly the same, TM to a good portable, but not that much different, 3-4 times, be real.
Karcher contra your TM yep, not the one like Enforcer or Storm to the TM, Still a lot of setting of the equipment to do the proper job. Good porty use the same water pressure as your TM on the carpets, suction? many says that many TM are not even stronger then Jag, Scorpion, storm etc.
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I've had a jag and I also run a smaller tm the difference is unbelievable, I often think about buying a smaller van and putting a 'top end' porty in it sure would be cheaper to run but I know that I would have to cut down on my work load.
I would go on to say that my tm can clean twice as fast as the jag I had.
Shaun
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Had my truckmount a year now and the difference is massive compared to my porty but still don't have a problem when I have to use the Powerflight.
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on the very rare occasion I use a portable I can't believe how long it takes to mix up the chemicals, fill the darned thing up and then empty it, oh and the annoyance of throwing lots of chemical away every time, none of you portable users seem to take this into account when you're talking about "cleaning" time
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Mytee escape is the only plug in production thing approaching comparable performance ... provided you can get decent heat out of it .
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So to get back on topic, could I use a storm on a double socket but add my magma heater on so three plugs on a double sock using a adaptor ?
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So to get back on topic, could I use a storm on a double socket but add my magma heater on so three plugs on a double sock using a adaptor ?
try it and see :) in theory you shouldn't , i reality it not much may happen in a modern house ... watch for heat on the adapter plug .
cant be much more hassle to plug the heater in elsewhere though .
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Your right its just some times it wouldn't reach so it would be handy to use a adaptor
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not saying that is completaly the same, TM to a good portable, but not that much different, 3-4 times, be real.
Karcher contra your TM yep, not the one like Enforcer or Storm to the TM, Still a lot of setting of the equipment to do the proper job. Good porty use the same water pressure as your TM on the carpets, suction? many says that many TM are not even stronger then Jag, Scorpion, storm etc.
Radek,
We're talking about machines that can clean two and three areas of carpet simultaneously, I have yet to come across a high end portable that can do that with 500 feet of hoses on it, of course TM's are more powerful, that's the whole point of them.
Simon
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Radek
There is small TMs and there are big TMs the same as single vac portables and triple or 6,6 twins
having seen Simons I would not dispute his times he would be running a 2 or 3 man team with 2 wands on the go or rx20s if area big enough
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having seen Simons
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
;D
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It's all about being as efficient as possible. I know some might think 40 minutes or so for a 2 bed apartment is ultra fast and therefore we must be cutting corners. No chance. We are just extremely efficient at what we do and every process is thought through to streamline the whole operation and then use the raw performance of the TM to do things a lot faster and to a far higher standard.
Simon
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Simon, I know you have the beast on your van
and yes I am talking about TM that most of CC have and about one operator at time
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40 mins to fully prep & clean a 2 bedroom flat
(running hoses in, move furniture, vacuum, pre-spray, aggitate, spot, dwell time & rinse)
Yeah right mate, dream dream dream..............
Do you have a normal sized head?
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Anyone who knows Simon will tell you his head IS massive but if you get 2 people working in harmony (well doing what Simon says) then it is achievable.
Shaun
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Shaun,
It's not about being big headed or bragging. It is about how you go about doing things, what processes, chemicals, techniques and temperatures you use to make the whole operation as efficient as possible, whilst not compromising on the quality of the end product. There no point in having a formula one system that you drive like a Robin Reliant.
Simon
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I could clean an unfurnished 4 bedroomed house end of tenancy in 55 minutes with a truckmount.
The cleaners had generally been in before me and vacuumed and dusted the whole place so it was a matter of pre-spraying the carpets and rinsing off. Job done, happy agent, clean carpets money in the pocket.
A truckmount is a totally different beast to even the most powerfull portable. The pump and blower have far more capacity than electric equivalents. They speed up the job no-end. They are not for everyone and most portables are very good and do a great job. I know locally the guys who get through the most work have truckmounts OR bonnet clean :o
One guy cleaned 43 carpets last Monday.
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John,
Tut...tut, no 40 minute prep time. You naughty boy ;D
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Simon I was only pulling your leg but a well driven system 'eats' carpets.
Shaun
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I am quite happy with my portables... to me its about getting the method correct as well as knowing how to get the best performance from your machine.
My little Alltec express machine has been fantastic on the smaller jobs
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Its a shame Alltec don't make it with a slightly higher psi pump and auto fill and empty. With this combination it would be the most versatile portable on the market.
Interestingly Sandia the company which makes the plastic Alltec machines has started producing a twin 6.6 machine in the states its called the Optimizer. I wonder if it will reach the UK?