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Title: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: dave0123 on July 04, 2013, 05:37:09 pm
I presume people have tried cleaning with a tds of 12 am wondering what the results would be with this?

ok?
bit iffy?
spotty?


Thanks guys
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: 8weekly on July 04, 2013, 05:40:40 pm
Don't know, but why would you want to?
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Ian Lancaster on July 04, 2013, 05:41:48 pm
Fine.

We run up to 10, then monitor daily and change resin at 15

Never any problems
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: dave0123 on July 04, 2013, 05:53:03 pm
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Don't know, but why would you want to?

Because my TDS out of the RO is 12 and i could do away with resin  ;D


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Fine.

We run up to 10, then monitor daily and change resin at 15

Never any problems

Thanks Ian, good to know
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: S.A.J on July 04, 2013, 06:05:56 pm
I cleaned with 70 the other week for a whole day  :-X not one compliant  ;D
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: colin purewater on July 04, 2013, 06:09:59 pm
Also long as as its been though an ro
It's fine I've cleaned with 048 for months at a
Time

012 all day
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: dave0123 on July 04, 2013, 07:49:52 pm
Yeah its going to a RO, i will give it  ago see what the results are :)

Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: supernova77 on July 04, 2013, 08:35:45 pm
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Also long as as its been though an ro
It's fine I've cleaned with 048 for months at a
Time

012 all day

And you call yourself Colin "Purewater" ?   ;)
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: roundbuilder on July 04, 2013, 08:37:40 pm
I change resin when it hits 30, never any problems in 6 years wfp.
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: wfp master on July 04, 2013, 08:38:28 pm
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Also long as as its been though an ro
It's fine I've cleaned with 048 for months at a
Time

012 all day

And you call yourself Colin "Purewater" ?   ;)
colinnotsopurewater. ;)
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: colin purewater on July 04, 2013, 08:42:22 pm
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Also long as as its been though an ro
It's fine I've cleaned with 048 for months at a
Time

012 all day

And you call yourself Colin "Purewater" ?   ;)
colinnotsopurewater. ;)

Oh the irony  8)
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Carl@Cwc on July 04, 2013, 10:20:08 pm
really 30 ?
i am sweating at 2ppm.
need to have a rethink/trial on these numbers
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: gavinb on July 04, 2013, 10:20:38 pm
Ive used 48 not long back not a single complaint .
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: PAUL JAMES on July 04, 2013, 10:33:12 pm
Evening people and just a quick bit of input from me. Recently I used the DI at 84 for a full day and not one complaint. This wasn,t done on purpose  I just totally forgot to check then went out. Was working a good distance from home so not able to go back and change the resin. I ended up doing about 30 houses that day and not one complaint. It could have gone against me no doubt but it does make you wonder why we are panicking when it goes over 10. I now work on over 30 before changing and not a single complaint to date.
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: ben M on July 04, 2013, 10:34:26 pm
Evening people and just a quick bit of input from me. Recently I used the DI at 84 for a full day and not one complaint. This wasn,t done on purpose  I just totally forgot to check then went out. Was working a good distance from home so not able to go back and change the resin. I ended up doing about 30 houses that day and not one complaint. It could have gone against me no doubt but it does make you wonder why we are panicking when it goes over 10. I now work on over 30 before changing and not a single complaint to date.
do you rinse well?
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: CleanClear on July 04, 2013, 10:38:54 pm
I've cleaned with over 30ppm water with perfect results. What suprises me on this thread is the guys who say they've cleaned with high ppm "with no complaint". The reason that suprises me is this...when i've cleaned with high ppm i have checked my results and i know they're fine. I havn't relied on "a complaint" to set my mind at rest.
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Simon@ Clearview contractors on July 04, 2013, 11:25:16 pm
So how will Ironic systems try to attack this thread to protect their new parts per Billion system???

Personally, I've found that if you rinse well water can be used past the 10ppm that I used to change the resin(I did think it was bad practice though).
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Bay View WCS on July 04, 2013, 11:39:57 pm
I used water of 12 all day today - including 4 first cleans - excellent results and no complaints.  But I will be changing in the morning before going out.  Then I can forget again for a while! 

Earlier in the year I forgot to check for a week and when I remembered it was showing 28.  I went and checked every house I had I done that day and no spotting to be seen - it was a relief to be sure but as others have said I'm sure good results can be achieved with 30/40 readings.  However, I personally like to change around the 10 mark for my own peace of mind - safe in the knowledge it will definitely not spot at that level.

Cheers, Tom
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Mike #1 on July 05, 2013, 05:26:02 am
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Don't know, but why would you want to?

Because my TDS out of the RO is 12 and i could do away with resin  ;D


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Fine.

We run up to 10, then monitor daily and change resin at 15

Never any problems

Thanks Ian, good to know


Long term it would be a NO NO  as eventually you will get a build up of all the crap your RO & DI removes

A tds reading of 10ppm to 15ppm can change within one fill of a tank , I have cleaned with 17ppm  and 25ppm without complaint i was aware of the reading both times i had ran out of resin or filled my truck tank and then checked tds .

As it was the last day of the week both times i knew i would be ok as a one off , A few month ago i was not checking my TDS as often as i should have been and it got to 57ppm which is normal tap water in my area and i only got 2 complaints .

But how i never got more i do not know . Mike

Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: PAUL JAMES on July 05, 2013, 08:43:53 pm
BenM that did include rinsing mate yes. Like I said not something I would normally do and if the resin is anywhere near 30 when I check it gets changed. Maybe it is because the houses cleaned are regulars so to be honest they are never really filthy anyway.
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: koop on July 06, 2013, 09:56:34 am
So my water come out the RO at 0.10 and I use a DI to bring it down to .01

So I could get away without using a DI and still have clean windows?
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: colin purewater on July 06, 2013, 10:50:04 am
So my water come out the RO at 0.10 and I use a DI to bring it down to .01

So I could get away without using a DI and still have clean windows?

Yep 010 is l all good
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Smudger on July 06, 2013, 11:08:25 am
A couple of points here although you may not have recieved any complaints you may find the customers are not impressed but too polite to say anything and when another windy comes along they dump you and never give a reason also you are narrowing your safety margin 030 might clean ok but is very near the point where spotting will occur also you have to rinse longer to avoid any chance of TDS build up making cleans longer and using more water
Title: Re: Cleaning windows with TDS of 12
Post by: Bay View WCS on July 06, 2013, 05:15:43 pm
Hey all.

just another point about this. I have one custy who openly admits that she is the fussiest sod when  it comes to cleaning etc. She was really sceptical when I first started cleaning her windows as to whether it would be good enough and was over keen on close inspection before and after drying. When I had the 28 TDS problem hers was one of the houses I had done; so with some trepidation I went round and explained what had happened and asked if there were any problem windows with spotting etc; she completely threw me by admitting that she didn't have a clue as she no longer checked - she was so impressed with the first few cleans that she felt no need to check on my work after that as she assumed the results would always be excellent.

I think many customers get into the mindset that you do a good job and pay up - similar to the barber showing you the back of your head with a mirror - how many of us actually take notice? I just nod and reach for me cash.

just thought that the above might explain why not many complaints are received for the odd time we forget and clean with a high TDS

Cheers, Tom