Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: HampshireWindowCleaning on July 03, 2013, 07:48:32 pm
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Just out of interest and wondering what the potential is if you really push it, who on here has the biggest companies? Anyone running 10+ vans flat out, anyone turn over £500,000-£1,000,000+ per annum from window cleaning?
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Jv price used to come on here big commercial window cleaners in London and the south east.
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do they clean windows or just make a mess? then collect the money or dont even bother cleaning? just asking ??? ???
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do they clean windows or just make a mess? then collect the money or dont even bother cleaning? just asking ??? ???
As if a national would do that! ;D
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I make £1m+ but only declare £9k.
They'd stop my giro if they knew!
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I make £1m+ but only declare £9k.
They'd stop my giro if they knew!
;D
phew i thought it was just me :D
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Cleanandsafe ;D
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Cleanandsafe ;D
£1,000,000 divided by £1,300?
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The biggest window cleaning businesses turn over about £3-4 million, unless you include cleaning firms who also do there own window cleaning ie interserve, OCS etc.
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The biggest window cleaning businesses turn over about £3-4 million, unless you include cleaning firms who also do there own window cleaning ie interserve, OCS etc.
That you Dave?
Lend us a tenner
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;D don't get too carried away by turnover mate. You could turn over 3-4 mil, but if your profit is 10k, a lot of us on here would beat the 3-4 mil guy hands down. I'm not interested in everyone's answer, but a better assessment of things would be to ask about turnover to profit ratios. Then you would know who has a good business. It is not always the guy with the biggest number.
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Matt Bateman, he's loaded and getting fatter by the day.
Works his staff to exhaustion while he sits in fat Joe's café in Basingstoke. ;D
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Dazmond is the richest window cleaner.
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Matt Bateman, he's loaded and getting fatter by the day.
Works his staff to exhaustion while he sits in fat Joe's café in Basingstoke. ;D
Pmsl.fair play to him ;D
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Matt Bateman, he's loaded and getting fatter by the day.
Works his staff to exhaustion while he sits in fat Joe's café in Basingstoke. ;D
Whatchitlardarseorillsetmyvanonyou. ;D
But you're right, I am loaded. ;D
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Steve C just sent me this video of himself. He needs to see a doctor.
http://efukt.com/196_The_Love_Plug.html
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Steve C just sent me this video of himself. He needs to see a doctor.
http://efukt.com/196_The_Love_Plug.html
:o :o :o :o
that aint steve c his belly is bigger ;D ;D ;D
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;D Its all that good living
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Turnover is vanity profit is sanity ;) ;)
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Turnover is everything, without it there can be no profit, let's face it who wants 90% of nothing
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;D don't get too carried away by turnover mate. You could turn over 3-4 mil, but if your profit is 10k, a lot of us on here would beat the 3-4 mil guy hands down. I'm not interested in everyone's answer, but a better assessment of things would be to ask about turnover to profit ratios. Then you would know who has a good business. It is not always the guy with the biggest number.
Yes, I'm off out to spend my turnover to profit ratio on some bread rolls at the corner shop. They all accept that round here...
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Plimsol Publications produce a report on the UK window cleaning industry and they have listed 34 different companies that turn over more than £1,000,000
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Turnover is everything, without it there can be no profit, let's face it who wants 90% of nothing
So if turnover is everything then you would rather have a turnover of 100000 with 30000 profit than 60000 turnover with a 40000 profit ?
Turnover is not everything.
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Deans quite big
Well he's fat
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Deans quite big
Well he's fat
At least I've got hair son :-X
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Plimsol Publications produce a report on the UK window cleaning industry and they have listed 34 different companies that turn over more than £1,000,000
Do you have a copy I could look at please?
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your comparisons are 30% and 66%, no matter what I would rather have 30 % or 66% net profit from £1m turnover, than 30% or 66% of £100'000 or £60'000 to use your figures
Without turnover profits can be very small
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Without turnover profits can be very small
Yea but; without profit turnover is pointless.
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How about lots of turover with lots of profit (like the good old days)
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Out of large turnovers, large profits can be extracted, if you turnover 100k , no amount of percentage, profit is going to make you a millionaire, now out of a £1m turnover you might stand a chance.
To make profit a small turnover will severely restrict you
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As turnover increases costs usually go up .
So it often happens that profit can decrease with an increase of costs (insurance, staff, equipment etc).
The amount of profit you make is the most important figure.
You can have two businesses with the same turnover and very different profit figures.
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As turnover increases costs usually go up .
So it often happens that profit can decrease with an increase of costs (insurance, staff, equipment etc).
The amount of profit you make is the most important figure.
You can have two businesses with the same turnover and very different profit figures.
Really? That's an odd conclusion.
Let's take a couple of aspects.
You buy a PC to do your accounts when you reach a turnover of £50,000. You're probably still using one PC when you have a turnover of £200,000.
You buy a 4040 RO when you're turning over £50,000. You're probably still using the same 4040 when your turnover is £500,000, just much more efficiently.
I would suspect that of the items you mention, staff costs and equipment costs stay level in terms of proportional share of turnover. I would also suspect that insurance per person is smaller the bigger you get.
So, contrary to what you've said, "As turnover increases costs usually go up" they may well decrease as a proportion of turnover, if anything, leading to higher profit margins and thus higher profits.
Still, this isn't really an argument about profits or turnover is it? It's a justification for staying small. Which is fine, but it doesn't make it correct.
Vin
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I am not going to say what my profit margin is and this may not be relevant but mine has gone up, each year for the last seven, as the business has grown. Smart business working or improved charging, I certainly am not smart ;)
Rob ;D
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We are the biggest window cleaning company by far.
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My turnover has gone up x10 in the last 6 years and is still rapidly going up,
The profit on the other hand hasn't gone up x10 but it certainly has gone up quite significantly and that is still climbing too.
Rather like the game football manager where you start off in the conference south and try to work your way up.
All good fun and a great challenge,
Dean.
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We are the largest in St Ives by far
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We are the largest in St Ives by far
You don't like it though do you Dave? Windows?
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I hate windows Dean
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I hate windows Dean
I thought you did,
I don't hate them, But find them a bit boring at times.
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;D don't get too carried away by turnover mate. You could turn over 3-4 mil, but if your profit is 10k, a lot of us on here would beat the 3-4 mil guy hands down. I'm not interested in everyone's answer, but a better assessment of things would be to ask about turnover to profit ratios. Then you would know who has a good business. It is not always the guy with the biggest number.
So speaks an experienced man! ;)
(We've got to stop complimenting each other's posts, people will think there's something going on! lol)
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;D don't get too carried away by turnover mate. You could turn over 3-4 mil, but if your profit is 10k, a lot of us on here would beat the 3-4 mil guy hands down. I'm not interested in everyone's answer, but a better assessment of things would be to ask about turnover to profit ratios. Then you would know who has a good business. It is not always the guy with the biggest number.
So speaks an experienced man! ;)
(We've got to stop complimenting each other's posts, people will think there's something going on! lol)
;D ;D
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Am certainly not the biggest, but by far the best
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As turnover increases costs usually go up .
So it often happens that profit can decrease with an increase of costs (insurance, staff, equipment etc).
The amount of profit you make is the most important figure.
You can have two businesses with the same turnover and very different profit figures.
Really? That's an odd conclusion.
Let's take a couple of aspects.
You buy a PC to do your accounts when you reach a turnover of £50,000. You're probably still using one PC when you have a turnover of £200,000.
You buy a 4040 RO when you're turning over £50,000. You're probably still using the same 4040 when your turnover is £500,000, just much more efficiently.
I would suspect that of the items you mention, staff costs and equipment costs stay level in terms of proportional share of turnover. I would also suspect that insurance per person is smaller the bigger you get.
So, contrary to what you've said, "As turnover increases costs usually go up" they may well decrease as a proportion of turnover, if anything, leading to higher profit margins and thus higher profits.
Still, this isn't really an argument about profits or turnover is it? It's a justification for staying small. Which is fine, but it doesn't make it correct.
Vin
No its not a justification for staying small.
Its not an argument either , the point i was making is that turnover is not everything .
In your business model where you franchise then your costs probably do not go up significantly but in other business models they will, for instance if you employ , have several vans, higher insurance costs , maintenance , maybe renting a unit etc etc.
A lot depends on how you run your business.
A high turnover is useless if your not making a profit.