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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Moderator David@stives on June 30, 2013, 10:24:16 pm
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I am quite happy with the FWC at the moment,
but with recent posts with people trying to discredit them, are the FWC doing that much wrong, Personally I don't think so, especially after reading this article, they seem to be hitting all the right notes, apart from the members directory
http://www.taforum.org/establishing-a-new-trade-association
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I am not a member of the FWC at the moment. Can I ask what are the benefits of joining please?
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There is a list on the homepage
www.f-w-c.co.uk
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Just read the list! Am I missing something?
Will it help me gain more work?
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Just read the list! Am I missing something?
Will it help me gain more work?
What is your view of the benefits?
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Just read the list! Am I missing something?
Will it help me gain more work?
What is your view of the benefits?
waste of time and money IMAO
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IMO unless they give you 10%off gardiners products its useless! ;)
RA's and Method statement templates are 2 a penny.
Insurance is already covered/paid for by any good windie company.
You do get a sticker for your van though I believe.
It sounds like they do a bit for medium to large commercial companies!
As for yellow pages whats that all about.
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If there non profit,where does the high membership fees go to?
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I reckon with all the money they are making they are buying slx s with extreme brushes and aquadapters on and smax's..
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Current Membership Benefits Include:
Membership of a government recognised Independent Trade association
* thats funny because no1 has ever heard of them
Group Accident cover for members & their employees
* not worth the paper its written on
Discounted equipment & sundries
* really? seems to be the more expensive than other suppliers!!
Discounted Yellow Pages & Thomson Local adverts
* this is garbage because most of the areas dont have a listing under fwc i asked about it they dont run it cus hardly anyone uses it and the prices for it basically u can get your own add for.. maybe thats why.
Free trade magazine
* every three months not too bad a read
Free down loadable documents:-Risk assessment and method statement Templates
* you can get them anywhere on clean it up etc for free
Free 24 hour legal advice help line
* when are you going to ever use that??
Sell your used equipment online
* can do that anyway can't you with ebay
Free find a local window cleaner support
* what?? lol
waste of time and money! they don't do anything.. why didn't they step in and say something over the bath window cleaner walking around on ledges? surely these are times they should b contacting the press and getting there name out there and explaining window cleaners aren't all like this and take safety seriously? they just want your cash.
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Current Membership Benefits Include:
Membership of a government recognised Independent Trade association
* thats funny because no1 has ever heard of them
Group Accident cover for members & their employees
* not worth the paper its written on
Discounted equipment & sundries
* really? seems to be the more expensive than other suppliers!!
Discounted Yellow Pages & Thomson Local adverts
* this is garbage because most of the areas dont have a listing under fwc i asked about it they dont run it cus hardly anyone uses it and the prices for it basically u can get your own add for.. maybe thats why.
Free trade magazine
* every three months not too bad a read
Free down loadable documents:-Risk assessment and method statement Templates
* you can get them anywhere on clean it up etc for free
Free 24 hour legal advice help line
* when are you going to ever use that??
Sell your used equipment online
* can do that anyway can't you with ebay
Free find a local window cleaner support
* what?? lol
waste of time and money! they don't do anything.. why didn't they step in and say something over the bath window cleaner walking around on ledges? surely these are times they should b contacting the press and getting there name out there and explaining window cleaners aren't all like this and take safety seriously? they just want your cash.
well said Dave ;)
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And don't forget they rubbished WFP over trad.
To make it worse they said it on news night.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4250000/newsid_4254900/4254988.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4250000/newsid_4254900/4254988.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
Great video - thanks for posting.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4250000/newsid_4254900/4254988.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
The guy in the video from the fed had a true " Gerald Ratner " moment . . . that made me laugh thanks ;D
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4250000/newsid_4254900/4254988.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
The guy in the video from the fed had a true " Gerald Ratner " moment . . . that made me laugh thanks ;D
;D
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I remember when Philip Hanson wanted to look at their accounts; which he was able to do since he was a FWC member at the time. They fobbed him off again and again until his membership ran out; then refused to let him see their accounts (he had an accountancy background).
I know there was 'politics' going on with this, but if they had nothing to hide, then should've been open about it.
It was big on here at the time; several years ago; and then there was that business about them selling their office premises; I don't know all the details, but it sounded shady.
So, for that reason, and because I don't think they're relevant to my humble operation; I'm out.
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Tosh
Do you think with the APWC on the verge of starting up had something to do with Philip's motives ?
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Tosh
Do you think with the APWC on the verge of starting up had something to do with Philip's motives ?
Yes i'm sure Philip wanted to see another, better organisation, if not from within then from the outside.
That time reminded me of gary glitters 'do you wanna be in my gang.' It was a resounding no for me because I didn't want to contribute to a hierarchy who acted like civil servants.
As a sole trader who has enough common sense to find a solution to my need, I don't want to join at this time. But I think the apwc was a big wake up call for the fed.
Bryan dolby has really been the only voice of the fed that I am aware of. And i think he has become more open and inclusive in what he says.
People will discredit them regardless. But like anything that wants your money each year, you will either want it or you won't.
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I remember when Philip Hanson wanted to look at their accounts; which he was able to do since he was a FWC member at the time. They fobbed him off again and again until his membership ran out; then refused to let him see their accounts (he had an accountancy background).
I know there was 'politics' going on with this, but if they had nothing to hide, then should've been open about it.
It was big on here at the time; several years ago; and then there was that business about them selling their office premises; I don't know all the details, but it sounded shady.
So, for that reason, and because I don't think they're relevant to my humble operation; I'm out.
What would get you 'in'?
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Hi Dave
Some times we are all resrtricted to what we can do
I hope personally i have only done what i thought best for the window cleaning industry and FWC
Bryan
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I remember when Philip Hanson wanted to look at their accounts; which he was able to do since he was a FWC member at the time. They fobbed him off again and again until his membership ran out; then refused to let him see their accounts (he had an accountancy background).
I know there was 'politics' going on with this, but if they had nothing to hide, then should've been open about it.
It was big on here at the time; several years ago; and then there was that business about them selling their office premises; I don't know all the details, but it sounded shady.
So, for that reason, and because I don't think they're relevant to my humble operation; I'm out.
What would get you 'in'?
I don't know, mate. My perception of the people who run the Fed isn't very good. Maybe if they'd come on here and discuss the stuff they do; that would be a good start.
But really, I can't see how they're relevant; but maybe a Fed Member could explain why I'm wrong?
The cost looks cheap enough; but if I'm just going to give some money away; there's plenty of charities I'd rather give it to.
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Tosh
Do you think with the APWC on the verge of starting up had something to do with Philip's motives ?
Yeh, without a shadow of a doubt; but so what? At the time he requested to see the Fed's accounts, he was a member and entitled to do so. He also had a background in accountancy - so was knowledgeable in this area.
But the Fed kept on fobbing him off till his membership ran out, then said no and refused to renew his membership.
If the Fed had nothing to hide, they could've just said, "Sure, Phil, here check 'em out!" And if there was nothing dodgy, Phil couldn't have smeared any dirt.
Maybe they didn't want Phil to see all those receipts for long lazy lunches in the Savoy? Who knows eh?
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Just read the list! Am I missing something?
Will it help me gain more work?
The best thing that's happened, in recent years, to the window cleaning industry - from the point of view of the average sole trader - is this forum.
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Just read the list! Am I missing something?
Will it help me gain more work?
The best thing that's happened, in recent years, to the window cleaning industry - from the point of view of the average sole trader - is this forum.
Most definitely.
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Tosh
Now he has seen the accounts did he report anything untoward ?
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Tosh
Now he has seen the accounts did he report anything untoward ?
I didn't know Philip was allowed to see the accounts? When did this happen? He's not posted about it.
It seemed to have been left at this:
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The full post makes interesting reading:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=25116.0
What's changed since?
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Just out of interest, who are the FWC committee members? I believe it comprises of a Chairman, vice chairman, treasurer, and seven other FWC members.
Oh and Beryl as the General secretary. I've checked the FWC website and can't find who is who. And what are their duties?
Any ideas?
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Tosh
Now he has seen the accounts did he report anything untoward ?
Dave, what's the point of looking at accounts all these years later? Philip (Hanson?) had a personal gripe whether justified or not and he chose this forum to air his grievance and to launch a counter association. When that had happened, Philip abruptly stopped posting on this forum. That to me at the time, said reams about motive.
Tosh, this is from years ago. I remember it at the time just as you do and Mr Seagull St Ives and a few others on here. It's done and dusted and no one will ever know the truth of it.
The only thing for certain is as with many of these organisations, it's all about jobs for the boys.
What does all this from days gone by have to do with whether the FWC are doing that much wrong? For the likes of me and the vast majority of CIU members, it's a complete waste of money and as Tosh said, this forum is free and in my opinion having been once a member of the FWC, almost infinitely more usefull.