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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: rich123 on June 26, 2013, 10:36:03 pm

Title: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: rich123 on June 26, 2013, 10:36:03 pm
Hi all

Just done an office clean, we had some Prochem bonnet buff, but with all
the encap chat going around, bought some Procaps for the job.
Job done, no worries, but after using both, ermmm....whats the difference??
From what I can see, they do the same thing.  ???

Cheers
Rich
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Jamie Pearson on June 27, 2013, 01:51:48 am
They are similar in the way they are used but differ in how they go about the task.

Bonnet Buff is a bonnet cleaner. Designed to release soil from the fiber then be absorbed into the bonnet pad.

Procaps is an encapsulation cleaner. Designed to release soil from the fiber then hold it in suspension until it dries to a hard polymer residue encapsulating the soil.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Paul Moss on June 27, 2013, 07:38:30 pm
The diff is 3 months down the road  ;)
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Deep Cleaning Solutions on June 27, 2013, 08:24:32 pm
From the data sheet -

" Bonnet-Buff will effectively encapsulate and release soil,
leaving a clean, dry and residue free carpet.

http://www.prochem.co.uk/safety%20data%20sheets/sdsb110.pdf
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: rich123 on June 27, 2013, 09:04:10 pm
So surely bonnet buff is better as you haven't got to vac it afterwards?
They both encap??
And the comment by Paul, about 3 months down the line, what do you
mean by that?

Rich
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Robin Ray on June 27, 2013, 11:22:50 pm
The Prochem technical help desk is quite good and will be able to tell you what the difference is, but my guess would be that procaps is a polymer encapsulator and bonnet buff is an older shampoo type.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: david@zap-clean on June 28, 2013, 07:44:17 am
Bonnet Buff can set cheapo DIY fire alarms off!  Not sure about the other stuff, never tried it.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: John Kelly on June 28, 2013, 08:20:15 am
All bonnet products encapsulate the soil but its the way they do it which differs. The detergent based products attach themselves to the dirt molecules and then dry so the dirt is mixed in with the crystalised detergent. This detergent can be re-distributed within the fibres if it becomes moist ever due to spillage or even with just very high humidity.
With the new generation of Polymer based products the same thing happens but the dirt is surrounded by Polymer, a type of plastic and once this dries it can't then be re-constituted with moisture it is trapped there forever.
It is a myth that the carpets have to be vacuumed afterwards, anyone who has done it will tell you that very little is actually removed, you only have a little very fine dust in the bottom of the bag.
One very important part of either of these processes if thoroughly pre-vaccing.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: bennymon on June 29, 2013, 09:55:15 pm
So why doesn't it work in houses ? Or does it ?
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: John Kelly on June 29, 2013, 10:21:07 pm
Yep does.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: rich123 on June 30, 2013, 12:13:05 pm
So from what u guys are saying, and especially Johns post,
considering both products from Prochem cost about the same,
I'm better off using Procaps than bonnet buff for the way it
encapsulates?
Less chance of quick resoiling.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Jamie Pearson on June 30, 2013, 04:31:47 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: rich123 on July 02, 2013, 08:35:36 pm
Thanks, that cleared that up.  :)
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: clive ware on July 02, 2013, 08:48:32 pm
No problem.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Neil Jones on July 02, 2013, 08:57:50 pm
Sorry to jump in but what does everyone use to encapsulate or just bonnet. I've run out of the product I use and need to buy something else, a cost effective product.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Billy Russell on July 02, 2013, 09:06:31 pm
releasit DS2 or Hydrox fro Jamie at CSUK or probably my favorite because of the smell is Surround from John Kelly  :)
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: *Hector* on July 02, 2013, 09:07:22 pm
I use environ
used to use fusion clean.

both very good and very economical  ;D ;D

environ gets my vote at the moment though...
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Billy Russell on July 02, 2013, 09:10:42 pm
i have some environ, it is good stuff, but prefer the others
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Neil Jones on July 02, 2013, 09:27:52 pm
Billy what's the dilution rate of Surround, it isn't on the website.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Neil Jones on July 02, 2013, 09:28:29 pm
found it
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Neil Jones on July 02, 2013, 09:33:46 pm
releasit ds2 and hydrox don't have dilution rates though, what are they?
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 02, 2013, 09:35:18 pm
You can use encap products on all carpets but domestic carpets differ as does the soil in them, rinse extraction is more of a requirement IMO on domestic (sorry hector)

Shaun
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Billy Russell on July 02, 2013, 09:46:11 pm
http://www.cleaningsystems.co.uk/product/581/releasit_encap_clean_ds2

there you go Neil, 1-32
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Jamie Pearson on July 02, 2013, 09:54:03 pm
HyDrOx is 1:16 for carpet use.

But can also be used as spotter, upholstery cleaner and extraction rinse at other dilutions.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Neil Jones on July 02, 2013, 09:59:20 pm
Thanks...decisions decisions
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: Jamie Pearson on July 02, 2013, 10:05:45 pm
If you want to go down the Releasit route there is a starter pack with the 3 main products and spotters.

Lets you try them out and see which works best for your system of working.
Title: Re: Procaps or bonnet buff, and the difference is.....?
Post by: *Hector* on July 03, 2013, 04:55:31 am
You can use encap products on all carpets but domestic carpets differ as does the soil in them, rinse extraction is more of a requirement IMO on domestic (sorry hector)

Shaun

It's alright Shaun..,. you are entitled to your opinion...




even if it is wrong...  :P :P


 ;D