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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PAUL ERITH on June 18, 2013, 09:21:31 pm
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My wife finishes work next month and i'm looking to employ her for a few hours a week to do admin, quotes, take calls etc
Her wage will be under both the ni tax threshold so if i'm read it right on hmrc i don't have to register as an employer is this right ??? ???
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/payerti/getting-started/register.htm#1
Has anyone else employed an adult for under £100 per week how do i put it through the books and do i still need to issue pay slips ??? ???
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Thank You Paul
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record it as an expense like anything else but under the heading staff wages or salaries
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Set up a standing order to pay your mrs £400 a month so the wages are on the record
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I just can't believe that i don't have to inform the hmrc that she is being paid a wage i just seems wrong.
I think i will try calling them again in the morning to double check this is right i know if its over £109 you have to register for real time paye.
Thinking about it i might be better paying her £110 per week so her NI gets paid and is up to date for her pension
Thanks Paul
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it was a while ago I did it, but you still have to register yourself as an employer, pretty sure on that, the returns may be nil etc but I am sure I had to register and send nil returns
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Whether you intend her to be self-employed or employed, you'll still need to notify HMRC one way or the other.
If you intend to pay her self-employed, then she has 3 months to notify HMRC that she'll be self-employed, then she will have to file a return on Jan 31st 2015, like the rest of us.
If employed, you need to register as an employer, and notify HMRC (RTI its called i think) each time you pay her, either on the day before or the day of payment, even if it's nil tax and nil paye.
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If you intend to pay her self-employed, then she has 3 months to notify HMRC
Thats changed now.. you have to notify them within one week.
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So it has... although i dont see a one week deadline any more.
Just "as soon as possible".
http://forums.aat.org.uk/showthread.php?30695-New-time-limit-for-registering-as-self-employed (http://forums.aat.org.uk/showthread.php?30695-New-time-limit-for-registering-as-self-employed)
Yikes the HMRC don't half make things more difficult.....
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Just spent 15 min in a queue for hmrc put the phone down in the end >:(
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As long as her wage is under £109 per week the hmrc don't want to know anything and you don't need to register as an employer according the the person i just spoke to from the hmrc helpline ;D ;D
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I could've told you that ;D
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isnt that basically saying u can earn a 100 quid a week cash in hand legally ;D
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isnt that basically saying u can earn a 100 quid a week cash in hand legally ;D
Yeah i know still don't seem right i'm going to email my accountant to see what he says it might be better if i pay her above £109 at least then i can get used to paye real time before employing a none family member.
Thanks Paul
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isnt that basically saying u can earn a 100 quid a week cash in hand legally ;D
as long as they are no claiming anything no, and if they are they need to declare it
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Make her a partner and use her tax allowance.
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£100 a week you tight wad haha ;D ;D. you putting her on a YTS scheme haha
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As long as her wage is under £109 per week the hmrc don't want to know anything and you don't need to register as an employer according the the person i just spoke to from the hmrc helpline ;D ;D
What if she had another job? Doesn't sound right. Not that I am contradicting what you say, but it just doesn't seem right.
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As long as her wage is under £109 per week the hmrc don't want to know anything and you don't need to register as an employer according the the person i just spoke to from the hmrc helpline ;D ;D
What if she had another job? Doesn't sound right. Not that I am contradicting what you say, but it just doesn't seem right.
I see where you are coming from, I have no idea, does seem open to abuse when you put it like that
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As long as her wage is under £109 per week the hmrc don't want to know anything and you don't need to register as an employer according the the person i just spoke to from the hmrc helpline ;D ;D
What if she had another job? Doesn't sound right. Not that I am contradicting what you say, but it just doesn't seem right.
If she had a second job i would be classed as an employer and would have to register
Paul
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£100 a week you tight wad haha ;D ;D. you putting her on a YTS scheme haha
My wife is 3 months pregnant so in a few months she won't be doing many hours at all just doing admin and answering the phone.
Paul
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so are you saying they only reason you don't have to register her is because she is your wife? and if I employed a part timer not related to me I would have to register
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No you can employ a non family member aswell have a look on hmrc http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/payerti/getting-started/register.htm#1
As soon as you first employ someone, you will need to register as an employer with HMRC if any of the following is true:
you're paying them at or above the PAYE threshold
you're paying them at or above the National Insurance Lower Earnings Limit
the employee already has another job
they are receiving a state, company or occupational pension
you're providing them with employee benefits
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ah that explains it the national insurance limits has went up a fair bit since I did it
still it is very open to abuse though, good to know :D
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Does sound like it's open to abuse if that is the case.
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It is open to abuse. But it is permitted. Being self employed is open to abuse and that's permitted too.
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so on that basis, would the "employee who is not an employee" be classed as self employed and then have to do their tax return - or can you pay them the under £100 a week, show it as a legitmate expense yet have no receipt?? so what I mean is I could employ say "my mum" pay her under £100 a week, mark it as a cost on my accounts, yet she doesn't have to show a receipt ?
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there was a form to fill in with hmrc if you pay someone without the paye/ni red tape. you do that when filling in your tax return . i forget what the form number is .. unless its changed now