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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dave f on May 25, 2013, 05:26:35 am
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just a thought ive been wfp for 3years and the amount of hassel that gose with wfp
is barmy if it wernt for the safty aspect id be still trad.but having to hump ladders about dosent appeal any more, and although im a fit 51 year old i dont relish the thought of falling off ladders.on the the other side wfp as incressed my work load and income,so all aint bad ;D whats your thoughts
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WFP is only a pain sometimes like if something breaks and you dont have the spares to hand ,
The Pros far outweigh the cons i would never get through my workload trad and would not have got through the winters i have without wfp ,
It is far more expensive but soooo much easier ;D ;D ;D . Mike
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3 yrs for me too.and this year I'm on course to earn 15grand more than I was 3 years ago working less hours!its the ability to be able to clean large awkward jobs,clean more work in less hours every day.being able to work in most weather and of course the safety aspect.
The add ons as well bring in more money.yes overheads are higher but nowhere near the extra money I earn.
Once you have a decent set up that suits you and plenty of spares I find it min hassle.I'm DI only though which makes purifying water very easy plus I had already a solid customer base before the switch.
I've picked up lots of good paying jobs because I use a pole system
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just a thought ive been wfp for 3years and the amount of hassel that gose with wfp
is barmy if it wernt for the safty aspect id be still trad.but having to hump ladders about dosent appeal any more, and although im a fit 51 year old i dont relish the thought of falling off ladders.on the the other side wfp as incressed my work load and income,so all aint bad ;D whats your thoughts
3 years on.............thats the clue
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3 yrs on if things are not a whole load better for you then something is wrong . Mike
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i do a few houses trad just cause my old custys dont like wfp next to the houses i do theire is a guy who is wfp but when you get to see the sills all the scrach marks and places mised i cringe his work seems ok but its the places you cant see i must have o c ;Dd plus hassel snaggin hoseses dog mess etc etc etc :(
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Trad is great if you are on the dole.
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I've been WFP for almost 7 years now.
Work less hours for more money than I did traditional, clean jobs that I would never consider off ladders, for which I charge a premium.
In my area their is only me and my son that are wfp, other cleaners in our area scoffed when we started on the pole, most of them now come to us for assistance on some of their larger jobs ;)
As an example, one of the trad lads, been at it 20 years. He cleans some office windows for a company that has 9 twenty foot silos.
The gaffer said to him can you give me a price for the silos, oh and by the way no ladders, have to be off a cherry picker.
Needless to say he was banging on my door quick sharp. I had a look told him how much I thought (he dropped through floor) he submitted quote to the manager and we start next Saturday :D
Also they have asked me for a price for cleaning all the cladded walls on two sites, result..
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Wfp is a hell of a lot faster than trad,therefore more money can be made in less time,simples I would never go back
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WFP IS KILLING THE GAME
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What is this big hassle that you are referring too?
I've been wfp for 5 years and have it running like clockwork, really can't understand it when people moan about the hassles they have with it.
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WFP IS KILLING THE MY GAME
FTFY
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
??? You've been doing it 5 years and still haven't sussed it out
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its the quality aspect one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint
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5yrs even worse , You will always have challanges at some point whether wfo or trad it is how you deal with them .
If you dont get the first clean 100% right you are,just setting yourself up for more chew each and every time . Mike
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
??? You've been doing it 5 years and still haven't sussed it out
The quality issue has nothing to do with wfp pole it has to do with the person,
there is some instances where trad is better mainly shop fronts for me but domestic
I have had problems with windows in the past but have always found a way to clean them so they come up to a spotless clean.
If your not doing twice the work wfp after 5 years you need to get some advice.
I clean windows to make money in the quickest time possible for me wfp is by far the quickest way in doing that I would probably say at least 3 times quicker than trad.
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i think were going of on tangent here its about pros and cons not how quick or how much you can earn
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its the quality aspect one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint
HOT HOT or NOT? You need HOT ;)
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just a thought ive been wfp for 3years and the amount of hassel that gose with wfp
is barmy if it wernt for the safty aspect id be still trad.but having to hump ladders about dosent appeal any more, and although im a fit 51 year old i dont relish the thought of falling off ladders.on the the other side wfp as incressed my work load and income,so all aint bad ;D whats your thoughts
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i think were going of on tangent here its about pros and cons not how quick or how much you can earn
Tangent ::)roll
Why do you window clean if not for the money?
Surely the quickest most profitable way is the only way?
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
??? You've been doing it 5 years and still haven't sussed it out
I have it well sussed.
You don't need to know what your doing or care as long as you have customers who will
put up with it and have no trad competition.
But unfortunately that's not how I like to work.
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5yrs even worse , You will always have challanges at some point whether wfo or trad it is how you deal with them .
If you dont get the first clean 100% right you are,just setting yourself up for more chew each and every time . Mike
My window are cleaned to perfection every time but because of problem frames it takes extra time
that's why for me trad would be quicker and less hassle.
But my safety comes first.
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Yes
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With regards the OP of course they do.
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
+1
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its the quality aspect one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint
HOT HOT or NOT? You need HOT ;)
How is your heater going?
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Iv been wfp for almost 5 years and would trad tomorrow if it wasn't for
the safety factor.
Yes there are certain jobs where wfp is going to be handier and quicker
and yes there are people who are making a nice living out of it.
But the fact is as long as there are frames where water can collect, gather dirt
and slowly leak out leaving streaks then wfp will fall short on quality.
Most trad guys do 2 to 3 average size houses an hour how many more could they
do using wfp methods.
Wfp is a safe way to clean windows but as a lot of people have found out
there is a quality price to pay so lets hope your customers aren't that fussy.
+1
thats why i will stay trad for the foreseeable future
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poster above
you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.
our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.
wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward
if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.
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poster above
you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.
our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.
wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward
if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.
What you on about? He's been watering fed windows for three years.
Get your banjo out.
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poster above
you are letting fear hold you back from advancing yourself
especially financially.
our own expectations of how we do our job are generally
higher than our customers.
wfp isnt perfect but it easily does a good enough job to generally
satisfy the customers expectations enable you to do your job
safely and get greater financial reward
if you go into wfp you have to believe in it and yourself
enough so it
enables you to sell your service.if you can do that you really
cant fail.
What you on about? He's been watering fed windows for three years.
Get your banjo out.
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last week i watched the local wfp lad at work, he was very thorough and probably no quicker than me doing it trad . im thinking thats how it should be done
when i first started 5 yrs ago he had 2 or 3 employees /work premises and 2 vans and he rang me up ,the newbie, wanted to sell me some of his work or all of it if i had enough cash . iv now got 4 workers and he now works on his own. im not sure why that is,i know he works very long days and at weekends too .
this is just my observation
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mr alderton you obviously didnt read the post beneath that quote
got a special banjo with just one string for you ;D
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mr alderton you obviously didnt read the post beneath that quote
got a special banjo with just one string for you ;D
Right ;D.
I thought you meant the original post :-[.........use the quote function, then.
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my lap top is knackered using xbox tonight it wont use the
quote function properly :)
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my lap top is knackered using xbox tonight it wont use the
quote function properly :)
You're forgiven.
My mistake, anyway ;).
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The cons out weigh the pros on this forum.To many con artists.
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its the quality aspect one job comes to mind .ie window coverd in bird sh#t soaked it went to do the other windows came back could i get off NO. had to get ladders off and trad it so any one thinks its magic wand it aint
HOT HOT or NOT? You need HOT ;)
How is your heater going?
Going great Lee thanks. Best thing I have bought since wfp! (other than slx11)
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5yrs even worse , You will always have challanges at some point whether wfo or trad it is how you deal with them .
If you dont get the first clean 100% right you are,just setting yourself up for more chew each and every time . Mike
My window are cleaned to perfection every time but because of problem frames it takes extra time
that's why for me trad would be quicker and less hassle.
But my safety comes first.
At last 2 people who sound like they are cleaning windows properly with wfp.
I could trad 4 an hour but clean around 2.5 an hour wfp, BUT clean all the frames, doors (even garage doors) and charge more.
I will leave the splash and dash for others cleaning 40 houses a day. ;D
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An overall observation is that some wfp guys have a little self doubt as to whether they are providint the best service every time .
Due to the fact that we are unable to see if the upstairs window sills etc are as good as the downstairs so it is almost a leap of faith every time it is normal to wonder as now and then i do .
In 8yrs of trad i had 6 complaints in 5 yrs of wfp i have had 14 complaints , Now some of those complaints were in the early stages of converting as i taught myself and gained info of this forum .
Also the weather has some times played its part the wind has ruined the odd window which i have gone back and re-cleaned .
Mistakes are made and will be made simply because we are all human and its is normal for us to make errors we will never be 100% perfect all the time whether trad or wfp . Mike
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Life is more important than lots of irritations with wfp, your no good being paralized or dead mate!
and at least knees being no good. stick with wfp ;)
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pros for me today 3 con cleans done today i gutter fascia clean and
four houses cleaned.
cons im over 45yrs old didnt have the energy to do
anymore :)