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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul Moss on May 22, 2013, 06:33:42 pm
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When is the government going to sort this skum out. For those that dont know put sky news on
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Haven't got a tv Paul.... :o :o
please enlighten me
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Paul
Are you referring to Woolwich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN4afkg4aHs if you get my drift
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Yep it looks like they have got a soldier and beheaded him.
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fookers we need to rise up and start fighting back instead of keeping quiet hoping it goes away boot the foooking lot out although we cant cause there f***ing british half ot them idiots
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My grandad was a muslim, most peaceful bloke you could meet .
A welsh bloke is on trial now for killig a 5 year old , chopping her up, and burning her.
A white bloke in Manchester is on trial now for killing a father and son , then a few weeks later 2 policewomen.
Yes lets boot out all the welsh and white blokes eh?
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The Welsh get my vote ;D ;D
Didn't the 2 black guys that did this get shot by the police??
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Don’t know if it’s true he was wearing Help for Heroes t-shirt only a few miles down the road (Plumsted) I noted a Nepalese chap with the same type t-shirt, on say that http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10043367.Soldier_told_to_cover_up_uniform_on_Remembrance_Sunday_by_Sidcup_restaurant/
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-respond-to--serious-incident--after-reports-of-assault-in-woolwich--south-london-150210708.html?vp=1#BiRx2ow
What a bunch of *unts!
If a MI6 officer is tracking a suspect terrorist/nut job. Are they allowed to dispose of them if they think its going to kick off? i.e. assassination? With all they're training they can make it look like an accident. It would sort out a lot of these problems.
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The Welsh get my vote ;D ;D
Didn't the 2 black guys that did this get shot by the police??
Yep I think they made a point of not killing them so they didnt go to heaven.
I think we are a bit too nice in this country and about time we were a bit more proactive.
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Legal assassination of terrorist subjects. It would get my vote if it went to a referendum.
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Legal assassination of terrorist subjects. It would get my vote if it went to a referendum.
Yeah, but then we lower ourselves to their pitiful standards and if we do that, they've won.
Simon
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Well its from the top that leadership takes effect,
Compare Camerons press conference tonight , with Obamas reaction to the Boston bombing , even allowing for American hype and muscle flexing , Obama clearly shows more leadership and appears to mean business in a far more convincing way than Cameron, with his wishy washy limp wristed approach.
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Legal assassination of terrorist subjects. It would get my vote if it went to a referendum.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments Tony..
As an ex soldier, let me say that taking out suspects is not the way to go.. Once they have been confirmed as having committed acts of terrorism, then lock them away in a dark place and let them rot slowly and surely....
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Legal assassination of terrorist subjects. It would get my vote if it went to a referendum.
Mossad figures this out years ago, if you play by queensbury rules against thugs you wont win the fight. Beware tennis players in hotels. ;D
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you can't just kick out all muslims just because of this but for me, any hatred towards police or our queen and country should be dealt with severely. There is a video floating around about a girl that comes back to england after a few years away and see's her town full of muslim activists shouting death to the police. sorry but they all should be deported with no questions asked. live in this country and abide by this countries rules, don't come over here and then try and change it to your liking, if my neighbour invites me round for a brew i don't grab the biscuit tin and put my feet up on his coffee table while changing the channel to what i want to watch.
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Legal assassination of terrorist subjects. It would get my vote if it went to a referendum.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments Tony..
As an ex soldier, let me say that taking out suspects is not the way to go.. Once they have been confirmed as having committed acts of terrorism, then lock them away in a dark place and let them rot slowly and surely....
erm good friday agreement?
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That was over-rated :P :P
;D ;D ;D
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Derek your right, they just keep pushing. Lets hope now this is the final straw and even Cameron grows a pair of balls.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
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you can't just kick out all muslims just because of this but for me, any hatred towards police or our queen and country should be dealt with severely. There is a video floating around about a girl that comes back to england after a few years away and see's her town full of muslim activists shouting death to the police. sorry but they all should be deported with no questions asked. live in this country and abide by this countries rules, don't come over here and then try and change it to your liking, if my neighbour invites me round for a brew i don't grab the biscuit tin and put my feet up on his coffee table while changing the channel to what i want to watch.
The problem is Derek they haven't come over here they was born here and are british muslims you can't kick them out there parents came here breeded like cockroaches and now were all f***ed.
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I see they have just caught someone for that bombing where the cavalry guys and horses were killed and the horse Sephton survived. His rider was also in the news a while back for killing his wife and daughter. The news intimated PTSD from the bombing but dont know the details.
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So what do we do then? bugger all? keep giving them aid? aid for better education so they'll stop terrorising us in 20 years time? Morn more dead British citizens whiling trying to "understand" the mind of the terrorist?
NO, they need to learn that if they come to our country to f*** about, then they WILL be met with an armed response!
I wouldn't trust half of the numptys we have as police officer with a gun. But maybe not a bad idea? It took over 20 minutes for the armed response unit to show up at Woolwhich. Normal bobbies where at the top of the street not able to do anything!
These people only understand one thing, and the fear of a bullet in the face might make them think other wise.
Guantanamo bay style prisons, and that goes for all inmates. Long harsh sentences, years of hard labour. One family visit a year if they've been a good boy.
Of course, we cant kick out all Muslims. But we should start by making it virtually impossible to come to this country! Take a leaf out of Australia's book!
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Maybe its time for coppers to have a bit more in the arsenal. Machette vs wheelie bin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/401807/Far-right-group-English-Defence-League-threatens-feet-on-the-street-in-Woolwich-tonight
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I really hate to say it but come Friday this will be forgotten ... And it shouldn't be!
There has to be something done about this or it will create a them and us society.
Shaun
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Too many defeatists and liberals in the UK. We were warned 'way back in the 1960's by Mr Powell and his predictions have been proven correct.
Whether a Muslim was born in the UK or anywhere else is irrelevant and someone who may have appeared to be " loving " and " peaceful " would have turned immediately if someone made a joke or apeared to insult their religion.
I saw this happen many times in student flats in Glasgow. People who had chatted, laughed and joked every night for months became enraged at the tiniest joke or comment they deemed to be against their seriously flawed religion.
Don't let anyone kid you that it's the uneducated or weak minded / immature types who carry out the killings...........it's Doctors and Engineers and Accademics.
They hate us and fully intend taking over the entire planet by fair means or foul.
I don't care if they are second or third generation residents of the country they should ALL be sent back to the lands of their origins and refused entry to all Western Society.
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Too many defeatists and liberals in the UK. We were warned 'way back in the 1960's by Mr Powell and his predictions have been proven correct.
Whether a Muslim was born in the UK or anywhere else is irrelevant and someone who may have appeared to be " loving " and " peaceful " would have turned immediately if someone made a joke or apeared to insult their religion.
I saw this happen many times in student flats in Glasgow. People who had chatted, laughed and joked every night for months became enraged at the tiniest joke or comment they deemed to be against their seriously flawed religion.
Don't let anyone kid you that it's the uneducated or weak minded / immature types who carry out the killings...........it's Doctors and Engineers and Accademics.
They hate us and fully intend taking over the entire planet by fair means or foul.
I don't care if they are second or third generation residents of the country they should ALL be sent back to the lands of their origins and refused entry to all Western Society.
Totally agree with that.
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Who would have thought Islam would bring Paul and Robert together after years of feuding. The Prophet's word truly powerful :-* ;D
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What are you on.
We have always got on like a house on fire. :D
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Guiness :P
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I'm South African and grew up in Johannesburg in the 80's and 90's when things started getting hot. I left in 2005.
What I've learnt from seeing other parts of the world is that multiculturalism does not and never will work especially if its religion based. To create a multicultural society someone has to give. Either they become like us or we become like them but it will never work by sticking to our own cultural values and therein lies the problem, someone has to adapt.
One thing I do know is that you cannot show weakness because you will be taken advantage of. Does anyone know what is happening in Sweden? Sweden is a soft target for Immigrants they were rioting and burning cars all night last night
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22622909
The UK cannot give immigrants an inch, you give and inch they will take this country. They come from warzones and dog awful lands and idealisms. You try be all liberal and friendly with that and you will have your head over a barrel before you know it.
The South African government have pulled the teeth out of the army and police now but take a look at this action from the 90's special task force... These guys were incredible.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3d_1368637826
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I have to give these Somalians one thing. That is the first time I've seen Islamist's fight like men. There is a war going on and these guys brought their fight to the dog and killed a soldier by hand. Crazy
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Feckers .... Come the revolution
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Great posts Derek West Carpet Dawg Robert Meldrum
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I have to give these Somalians one thing. That is the first time I've seen Islamist's fight like men. There is a war going on and these guys brought their fight to the dog and killed a soldier by hand. Crazy
No they knocked him down with a car first then attacked him when he was lying injured on the pavement.
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Too many defeatists and liberals in the UK. We were warned 'way back in the 1960's by Mr Powell and his predictions have been proven correct.
Whether a Muslim was born in the UK or anywhere else is irrelevant and someone who may have appeared to be " loving " and " peaceful " would have turned immediately if someone made a joke or apeared to insult their religion.
I saw this happen many times in student flats in Glasgow. People who had chatted, laughed and joked every night for months became enraged at the tiniest joke or comment they deemed to be against their seriously flawed religion.
Don't let anyone kid you that it's the uneducated or weak minded / immature types who carry out the killings...........it's Doctors and Engineers and Accademics.
They hate us and fully intend taking over the entire planet by fair means or foul.
I don't care if they are second or third generation residents of the country they should ALL be sent back to the lands of their origins and refused entry to all Western Society.
By your definition then, all Irish 2nd 3rd 4th and so on should be sent back to Ireland (which would include me) as the IRA etc went to war on the British, only yesterday a former member was charged with blowing up four soldiers in London in 1982 or did that escape every ones attention.
hundreds of thousands of Muslims fought with Britain during both World Wars in fact Britain could not have defeated the Japanese with out them and others.
Otherwise an ill thought out, uneducated response to what is a complex issue.
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Same undertones in all the towns round west/south yorks my missus is an assistant head and has had complaints made about holding her hand out to shake a parents hand - said she did not understand their culture they don't. My line was you have to tolerate their sexism or be branded rascist. You would not want to be a female in a pakistani family to stuff that goes on at home can be grim and there view of white women is pretty low. Everyone has girl thingy footed around the issue for so long its difficult to go into reverse. Can't put a whole group of people on a boat but we are basically a secular nation but tolerate other peoples extreme views??? WTF is that about
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We are not a secular state, religion is linked to the Sovereign (defender of the faith) and to government, however we are becoming more of a secular society there is no doubt about that and as such extreme views will be aired with all the freedom that allows. Islamic extremists are no different to Jewish extremists or christian extremists, if you have ever heard some of those christian fundamentalists in the U.S. speak then you would be very worried indeed and one of the biggest atrocities in the U.S was carried out by just such a person.
France is a secular society yet supports the Catholic Church and their buildings but it is written in to their constitution that any 'new' religions coming into the country must be self funded and that includes Islam and mosques, they get no grants or help what so ever in the building and maintenance of these buildings, yet France has the largest Islamic population in Europe, you would think, wouldn't you that they would all want to come here.
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No, they settle in countries who had their country in their commonwealth. Hence most of the French immigrant population hales from Algeria and other North African states.
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No, they settle in countries who had their country in their commonwealth. Hence most of the French immigrant population hales from Algeria and other North African states.
Which is why they have the largest Islamic population and again France would have lost the 1st World War with out them (and of course us)
But given the religious freedom here etc as above.....yet they choose to stay in a country that attacks their religion on a regular basis,
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The problem is you guy's have all fallen for the propaganda feed to us by the government and through them the media that tells us these guy's are evil terrorists, hellbent on destroying our way of life.
Here's another way of looking at it. Suppose the East and not the west were the predominant powers in the world and the East invaded Britain, which is basically what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan and then imposed their way of doing things upon us through force of arms. What would we do? Sit there and take it? Not a chance. We'd do exactly what these so called terrorists are doing and fight back anyway they can. That does not mean I agree with their tactics, indeed I deplore them as much as anyone else. The war in Iraq was over oil, the war in Afghanistan is about America seeking revenge upon Al Qaeda for 9/11. But for what gain? Is Iraq any better today than it was under Saddam? Will Afghanistan be a better place when we leave and will Al Qaeda concede defeat when we've left? Not a chance in hell. We are fighting an ideology and one driven by the imposition of western values backed by western boots in Arab lands. You cannot bomb an ideology out of existence and in due course revenge will be taken upon us unless we deal with the issue by sitting round a table and settling our differences, just as we did in the end with the IRA.
The number one driver behind global terrorism is the the massive injustice perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the state of Israel who have flouted countless UN resolutions to leave the occupied territories and yet we enforce UN resolutions only when there is oil or western interests at stake and yet let the festering wound that is Palestinian / Israeli conflict and the hatred it engenders fan the flames of global terrorism just because the state of Israel is a friend of the US.
If we do as has been stated above then we are no better than them, indeed they will, have won by destroying our way of life (which is their objective by any means possible) that is based on the rule of law, fairness and equality, are we prepared to forsake all of that for a revenge that will not further our cause one iota?
Simon
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Too many defeatists and liberals in the UK. We were warned 'way back in the 1960's by Mr Powell and his predictions have been proven correct.
Whether a Muslim was born in the UK or anywhere else is irrelevant and someone who may have appeared to be " loving " and " peaceful " would have turned immediately if someone made a joke or apeared to insult their religion.
I saw this happen many times in student flats in Glasgow. People who had chatted, laughed and joked every night for months became enraged at the tiniest joke or comment they deemed to be against their seriously flawed religion.
Don't let anyone kid you that it's the uneducated or weak minded / immature types who carry out the killings...........it's Doctors and Engineers and Accademics.
They hate us and fully intend taking over the entire planet by fair means or foul.
I don't care if they are second or third generation residents of the country they should ALL be sent back to the lands of their origins and refused entry to all Western Society.
So where do I go ? my grandmother married a Nigerian Muslim , who came to London and served as a magistrate at Bow street for 35 years paid tax , lived in peace until he died aged 90 last year.
There are over 70 direct descendants now in Britain, as we are mixed race , where do we get sent?
Your post shows mind boggling ignorance of the big picture, I assume that you refused all medical help from anyone of non white british origin during your recent illness?
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The problem is you guy's have all fallen for the propaganda feed to us by the government and through them the media that tells us these guy's are evil terrorists, hellbent on destroying our way of life.
Here's another way of looking at it. Suppose the East and not the west were the predominant powers in the world and the East invaded Britain, which is basically what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan and then imposed their way of doing things upon us through force of arms. What would we do? Sit there and take it? Not a chance. We'd do exactly what these so called terrorists are doing and fight back anyway they can. That does not mean I agree with their tactics, indeed I deplore them as much as anyone else. The war in Iraq was over oil, the war in Afghanistan is about America seeking revenge upon Al Qaeda for 9/11. But for what gain? Is Iraq any better today than it was under Saddam? Will Afghanistan be a better place when we leave and will Al Qaeda concede defeat when we've left? Not a chance in hell. We are fighting an ideology and one driven by the imposition of western values backed by western boots in Arab lands. You cannot bomb an ideology out of existence and in due course revenge will be taken upon us unless we deal with the issue by sitting round a table and settling our differences, just as we did in the end with the IRA.
The number one driver behind global terrorism is the the massive injustice perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the state of Israel who have flouted countless UN resolutions to leave the occupied territories and yet we enforce UN resolutions only when there is oil or western interests at stake and yet let the festering wound that is Palestinian / Israeli conflict and the hatred it engenders fan the flames of global terrorism just because the state of Israel is a friend of the US.
If we do as has been stated above then we are no better than them, indeed they will, have won by destroying our way of life (which is their objective by any means possible) that is based on the rule of law, fairness and equality, are we prepared to forsake all of that for a revenge that will not further our cause one iota?
Simon
Agreed, at least someone here has thought about it.
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We do live in a secular country look at the numbers of people below the age of 60 who attend church. The laws in this country are about protecting those with from those without as much as anything. I'm not saying that British people have got a great track record historically we did not go to other countries to assimilate. And I think people naturally live together with similar people -British ex pats do it all over the world. Our foreign policy stinks so it fuels extremists wanting to fight back and that will only change if our government stops turning a blind eye or joining in with oppressing other people. I don't think it's extreme to think if someone wants to make a complaint about shaking a women's hand that they are told they are a facking idiot. Unfortunately they are not tackled because people are too scared. Strangely there are never the same issues with other parents and there are 27 different languages spoken in a school with less than 500 kids.
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9/11 was a setup !! Cia,look on you tube,you can clearly see that the planes hitting the towers were grey military drones,without windows, or any commercial insignia,also many people on the ground witnessed that....Don't believe the lies
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9/11 was a setup !! Cia,look on you tube,you can clearly see that the planes hitting the towers were grey military drones,without windows, or any commercial insignia,also many people on the ground witnessed that....Don't believe the lies
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Oh my here we go again..
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Mark,
You're way off the mark there. What is true is that immediately after the 9/11 attacks the Americans used what is known as, 'the power of nightmares,' to start what became known as 'the global war on terrorism.' The nightmare being the supposed threat Al Qaeda posed to the west. And what do you do when faced with a nightmare? You wish someone would take it away. Knowing the American government had declared all out war on Al Qaeda lessened the nightmare for the American public and legitimised the second agenda of the American government, to oust Saddam Hussein from controlling the second largest oil fields on the planet and thereby removing his ability to place a stranglehold on global oil supplies and threaten western energy security and through it the economies of the west, which are totally dependant on foreign oil supplies for their very survival.
The problem that arose from that debacle was that far from reducing the threat of terrorism, perpetrated by combatants outraged at the invasion of Arab lands for western gain, the threat of terrorism has actually increased and Afghanistan, the Taliban regime and an Al Qaeda stronghold became the next target, believing that we the mighty west could bomb out of existence an opposing culture and ideology through force of arms without confronting the ideological differences and in most cases quite legitimate concerns of people who are now our sworn enemies.
It is simplistic in the extreme to suppose for one moment that killing so called terrorists, regardless of how many you kill, will wipe them out, for it is the countless dead that through their relatives and countrymen generate yet more hatred and that is why this war on terrorism will never be won and if we think for one moment that we are safer because of it then we are the fools.
Simon
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There are just so many things that don't add up though !!
Explain the thermite, explain how a building that was designed not to collapse,collapsed.
Explain the hundreds of architects and engineers that say it does not add up.
America has a long track record of cover up etc etc....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFzOtvv7Pyk .
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Just don't add up.
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There are just so many things that don't add up though !!
Explain the thermite, explain how a building that was designed not to collapse,collapsed.
Explain the hundreds of architects and engineers that say it does not add up.
America has a long track record of cover up etc etc....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFzOtvv7Pyk .
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Just don't add up.
I think you are right Mark, I was only saying the same thing the other day when I was chatting to Elvis.
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wasn't that after you cleaned Lord Lucan's carpets...?? :o
I'm sure that I saw you coming out of his house... You know the one with Shergar in the stable... :P
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There are just so many things that don't add up though !!
Explain the thermite, explain how a building that was designed not to collapse,collapsed.
Explain the hundreds of architects and engineers that say it does not add up.
America has a long track record of cover up etc etc....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFzOtvv7Pyk .
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Just don't add up.
Explain where over 800 passengers from the planes went, or are they part of the conspiracy, along with their families as well.
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Read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq
This will give you a proper insight into 9/11 and the subsequent war in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
The idea that 9/11 was an American attack upon its own people is absurd, but knowing it was going to happen and using it as a pretext to prosecute a second agenda makes a whole lot of sense.
Simon
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The problem is you guy's have all fallen for the propaganda feed to us by the government and through them the media that tells us these guy's are evil terrorists, hellbent on destroying our way of life.
Here's another way of looking at it. Suppose the East and not the west were the predominant powers in the world and the East invaded Britain, which is basically what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan and then imposed their way of doing things upon us through force of arms. What would we do? Sit there and take it? Not a chance. We'd do exactly what these so called terrorists are doing and fight back anyway they can. That does not mean I agree with their tactics, indeed I deplore them as much as anyone else. The war in Iraq was over oil, the war in Afghanistan is about America seeking revenge upon Al Qaeda for 9/11. But for what gain? Is Iraq any better today than it was under Saddam? Will Afghanistan be a better place when we leave and will Al Qaeda concede defeat when we've left? Not a chance in hell. We are fighting an ideology and one driven by the imposition of western values backed by western boots in Arab lands. You cannot bomb an ideology out of existence and in due course revenge will be taken upon us unless we deal with the issue by sitting round a table and settling our differences, just as we did in the end with the IRA.
The number one driver behind global terrorism is the the massive injustice perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the state of Israel who have flouted countless UN resolutions to leave the occupied territories and yet we enforce UN resolutions only when there is oil or western interests at stake and yet let the festering wound that is Palestinian / Israeli conflict and the hatred it engenders fan the flames of global terrorism just because the state of Israel is a friend of the US.
If we do as has been stated above then we are no better than them, indeed they will, have won by destroying our way of life (which is their objective by any means possible) that is based on the rule of law, fairness and equality, are we prepared to forsake all of that for a revenge that will not further our cause one iota?
Simon
These Muslim extremists were bombing and killing Western countries/societies years before Iraq and Afghanistan.
They just dont like Western values and want the world to go back a 1000 years and create a muslim world.
They would still be doing this withhout Iraq and Afghanistan as a excuse.
9/11 was 2001,2 years before Iraq was invaded.
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Michael Meachers wrote that document back in 2003.
Now read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
We invade Iraq, get rid of the Taliban and install a Western friendly government and low and behold, an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.
Oh, a small inconvenience, we upset the locals, some of whom have turned to terrorism, perhaps a small price to pay for energy security, some may think.
So imagine if a foreign power invaded the UK, overthrew our government and installed a more friendly regime, one that would let the invaders run an oil pipeline right down the spine of our country, not for our benefit, but to ensure energy security to our invaders and their chums.
Would we be ped off? Would we take up arms and fight back anyway we could?Would we consider ourselves terrorists, or patriots fighting an injustice?
Now you understand where terrorist are coming from.
Simon
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9/11 was 2001,2 years before Iraq was invaded.
Wayne,
That's my point.
That is why the US and UK were so desperate to invade and when the disperate search for evidence that Iraq was involved in 9/11 came up empty handed, we needed a new nightmare as a pretext to war, weapons of mass destruction, the ultimate nightmare.
Simon
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Thanks to mass immigration being encouraged by passed governments we now have a UK full of mixed races and cultures...
Every day there are stabbings involving young black males in many of our major cities, honour killings involving the Asians, money laundering, drug and human trafficking, scams etc.. involving Eastern Europeans...
By inviting mass immigration into the UK you are also inviting different religions and cultures, dont expect people to play by the rules if they don't believe in them!
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I was watching crimwatch the other week and they have a board of 10 most wanted, 8 were black/asian/eastern europe, 2 were white but she was a gypsie and the white guy was a peado. :-X
Trouble is when they are caught and do their time they are allowed to stay here. If we kicked them out the bizzies wouldnt know what to do with themselves other than fri/sat nights.
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The problem is you guy's have all fallen for the propaganda feed to us by the government and through them the media that tells us these guy's are evil terrorists, hellbent on destroying our way of life.
Here's another way of looking at it. Suppose the East and not the west were the predominant powers in the world and the East invaded Britain, which is basically what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan and then imposed their way of doing things upon us through force of arms. What would we do? Sit there and take it? Not a chance. We'd do exactly what these so called terrorists are doing and fight back anyway they can. That does not mean I agree with their tactics, indeed I deplore them as much as anyone else. The war in Iraq was over oil, the war in Afghanistan is about America seeking revenge upon Al Qaeda for 9/11. But for what gain? Is Iraq any better today than it was under Saddam? Will Afghanistan be a better place when we leave and will Al Qaeda concede defeat when we've left? Not a chance in hell. We are fighting an ideology and one driven by the imposition of western values backed by western boots in Arab lands. You cannot bomb an ideology out of existence and in due course revenge will be taken upon us unless we deal with the issue by sitting round a table and settling our differences, just as we did in the end with the IRA.
The number one driver behind global terrorism is the the massive injustice perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the state of Israel who have flouted countless UN resolutions to leave the occupied territories and yet we enforce UN resolutions only when there is oil or western interests at stake and yet let the festering wound that is Palestinian / Israeli conflict and the hatred it engenders fan the flames of global terrorism just because the state of Israel is a friend of the US.
If we do as has been stated above then we are no better than them, indeed they will, have won by destroying our way of life (which is their objective by any means possible) that is based on the rule of law, fairness and equality, are we prepared to forsake all of that for a revenge that will not further our cause one iota?
Simon
Well said simon, well said, this is the main problem for all the western society. FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS ALWAYS A REACTION.
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Reaction ?
There will be a mass of BNP members marching in Woolwich next saterday! June the 1st
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Bunch of morons, hardly going to help the situation and is exactly what the murderers want as he said 'war on the streets'.....so they would have been successful.
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over past 100 years have we not went to WAR to fight the fascists ?? yet today its ok to be one in the UK :'(
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It's all about the oil !!
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Ah well Just try and take ours when we vote YES next year haha!!
Heres why they dont come here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMJBQoHJ4E
:D :D :D
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Bnp is a joke what's the point of a bunch of mindless thugs marching through the area . it's an area with many races getting on fine they are just starting trouble and shouldn't be recognised as a political party . I don't know what needs to be done to combat terrorism but the government needs to be tougher . Instead of living behind bars there is jerry adams friend of Blair and expectable face of terrorism free to do whatever he wants now that's very wrong .
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This guy here is chatting some sense
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151596685813984
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From all this one thing seems very clear and i can see why now UKIP have got so many votes. People have clearly had enough from all the foreigners that are in our country dictating their own cause.
Send the lot of them home on a big boat.
If only we had a PM like the Aussies
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Too late Paul, most of them are British. Saw a women today in a Berka with pram, one in the oven and two tagging along behind. It was rare to see any down here in the sticks but spreading like wildfire, its quite a clever tactic really. ;D
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Bnp is a joke what's the point of a bunch of mindless thugs marching through the area . it's an area with many races getting on fine they are just starting trouble and shouldn't be recognised as a political party . I don't know what needs to be done to combat terrorism but the government needs to be tougher . Instead of living behind bars there is jerry adams friend of Blair and expectable face of terrorism free to do whatever he wants now that's very wrong .
is this available with translation please?
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Why ask that??
It is perfectly understandable to anyone with an ounce of intelligence....
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Yes Tim to you it translates as f##k off ;)
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one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.. maybe if England hadn't invaded so many country's over the past 100s of years so many wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be send so much money to them as a payoff.
I wonder if we can name one country in the world where uk or English army hasn't set foot on??
yet now they here they have to go home!!
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So if this happened in Scotland Barry what would you have to say then?
Or if the poor soldier were Scottish serving in the British army ?
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Barry half the "English" are of Scottish or Irish decent. On Tyneside its a third Scottish, Third Irish and the rest Vikings and Romans. There was a mass influx of immigrants in the late 1800's and early 1900's who came to work in the new industries, arnaments, shipbuilding etc. Liverpool is virtually all Irish decent as the place didn't exist 200 years ago. The population in 1800 was only 70,000 in 1851 it had swollen to 750,000 with many Irish immigrants escaping the potatoe famine.
All you jocks with anti English sentiments just have a think. We aren't all the bowler hat brigade.
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seems that murder has stirred up a hornets nest! One thing has always seemed odd to me. How is it that afghani freedom fighters are called terrorists and British freedom fighters, AKA the army, are called heroes? Is there not two sides to every story?
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one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.. maybe if England hadn't invaded so many country's over the past 100s of years so many wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be send so much money to them as a payoff.
I wonder if we can name one country in the world where uk or English army hasn't set foot on??
yet now they here they have to go home!!
There are lots of countries Britain has not 'invaded'.....
The ones that were civilised by Britain did not want us to stay, so we left..
Why can't these people do like wise.....and by that I mean the ones who don't like us, as we don't want them to stay....
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The British army are sent out to try and make things better for the normal citizens . It doesn't always work and I don't think we need to be in all them places . You can't compare a British soldier to someone who's only aim is to kill. Del
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We had them in Glasgow Billy tells how we delt with it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMJBQoHJ4E
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Lots of Scots have died in the past 10 years in a war we should never have went into. USSR fought for 30 years and didnt win!
The main aim was never to make things better, never has been and never will be as WAR PAYS
Rich men Gain as young men are slain
but is seen as ANTI english....gees a break
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work this out were in the country that produces the opium for the smack that ruins lifes in the UK yet production has gone up..... ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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I'm moving to scotland sounds a great place no terrorists and plenty of English fandabbidosey!
(Not that I'm planning to start swinging with janette)
Shaun
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Beggars belief, they say the poor farmers couldn't make other crops pay. They should execute them for growing it. If you think thats harsh you have never seen someone hooked on this poop.
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Tv doesn't help they make it look young and trendy.
Shaun
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Unemployment doesn't help either, when you have lots of young people idle with little or no hope, there`s a very scary risk they will get into it. Horrible stuff with no easy fix to get of it.
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Girlfriends son had a £50 a day chasing habit,thankfully he is on subitex now and has been clean for over 4 months,seems to be working,takes away the cravings and if you do it while on subitex it makes you very ill..
Facts are here,production is upto 40x more since nato got involved !!!! http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-heroin-production-increased-266/
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yep, Britain should have bought up the poppy fields , it was a huge mistake..
By the way is only Scots who have died in Afghanistan..?
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Lot's of money involved http://rt.com/news/hundreds-drug-money-pumped/
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If I were Scottish I'd build a big wall between England and scotland.
Shaun
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Its all very tragic... :'(
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You know what I find most upsetting about all this,I know this is a bit off topic.
Prohibition does not work,it never will work,if the governments took control of all illegal,drugs,be it smack,charlie,weed etc etc,paid the farmers who grow the stuff a fair price,took control from criminals,took the billions and billions of pounds out of their hands.
Regulated it and supplied it to the people who will always self medicate ,through centers, chemists whatever.In it's pure unadulterated form,gave them somewhere to do it that was safe and supervised,stopped them having to go out robbing or whatever.
It would make the world a far better place..
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Shaun the romans done that, they could handle our banter either! ;)
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I just hope am around to see the day ALL religion is banned its been fought over for 1000s of years if your on twitter and been following https://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield and his tweets from the space station and pictures it puts our earthly religions into perspective.
#biggerPicture
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Religion is just another form of control.It also generates huge revenue .But yeah agree ,
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As I have already mentioned, Britain or NATO should have bought the crops from the farmers at a price that would have been better than they could have got elsewhere,
We could have then taken what is need for research (tons of it is grown in this country and around the world officially for research) and destroyed the rest.
The results being; cheap source of research material, drugs not getting on to our streets and more importantly the local farmers and population on our side and not the Talibans.
Instead the Taliban stepped in and protected the fields and guaranteed the farmers an income, where as NATO burned the fields and the crops denying the locals a living and alienating them in the process.
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Then your gonna have thousands of addicts going cold turkey,addiction is non discriminatory ,when I worked at one of the countries top heart hospitals,you would be surprised how many of the surgeons there were on some form of drug or another,it affects people from all walks of life..
Here in Morocco is cannabis that they make a living from...
Morocco: "According to figures cited by the interior ministry, an estimated 90,000 households, or 760,000 Moroccans, depend on kif production, which is concentrated in the northern regions of Al-Hoceima, Chefchaouen and Ouazzane. Aberrahmane Hamoudani, 64, a former mayor of Issaguen, or Ketama as it used to be known, is an ardent advocate of cannabis cultivation in the Rif, which he believes dates back to the time of the Phoenicians, who brought the seeds from the east. "Kif doesn't kill you, but hunger does," he quips."
http://www.menafn.com/1093639407/High-the-Rif-Moroccos-kif-culture-thrives
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Then your gonna have thousands of addicts going cold turkey,addiction is non discriminatory ,when I worked at one of the countries top heart hospitals,you would be surprised how many of the surgeons there were on some form of drug or another,it affects people from all walks of life..
Here in Morocco is cannabis that they make a living from...
Morocco: "According to figures cited by the interior ministry, an estimated 90,000 households, or 760,000 Moroccans, depend on kif production, which is concentrated in the northern regions of Al-Hoceima, Chefchaouen and Ouazzane. Aberrahmane Hamoudani, 64, a former mayor of Issaguen, or Ketama as it used to be known, is an ardent advocate of cannabis cultivation in the Rif, which he believes dates back to the time of the Phoenicians, who brought the seeds from the east. "Kif doesn't kill you, but hunger does," he quips."
http://www.menafn.com/1093639407/High-the-Rif-Moroccos-kif-culture-thrives
Of course you are not,
But what you will have is control of the a major proportion of the heroin coming into the country. Addicts can enter into a programme to get their official fix thereby cutting out the dealers, if they dont then tough go cold turkey or pay a fortune for it elsewhere.
This way we also have proper data on how many addicts there are and can monitor their treatment, crime will fall hugely, gang war on our streets will fall, shop lifting will fall, house breaking will fall, car crime will fall, prostitution will fall, people trafficking will fall.
Not to mention (but I will) the benefits to health, lives saved both here and our soldiers in Afghanistan, prisons not overflowing with addicts etc etc etc.
These are just some of the benefits, that all starts by paying a farmer in Afghanistan for his crop.Any grown up country with joined up thinking should be able to see this but for some reason our government cant.
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What we should have done rather than burn the poppy fields was buy the local's crops at a higher rate than they get from the Taliban or drug barons - then destroy it. Global heroine prices will go sky high solving a major problem across the world and the afghan's still have a living.
That's a much cheaper option than dealing with the human misery, crime associated with addition and the billions we currently spend on treating addicts.
Simon
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Completely agree Hilton !!
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I think that it has been proven that pure,unadulterated heroin actually is not that harmful to your health,it's what it's been cut with the does the damage.sharing needles etc.
Wouldn't be using it in hospitals etc if it was.
I think it's down to getting a pure unadulterated supply,without harming others and the crime users commit,to supply themselves.
I don't condone it,I personally think it's filthy stuff,I have only come across 2 people,that used it,both of them dead now,1 od'ed and one hung himself
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
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Barry is correct take away the religion take away the war .
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Yeah, its a nice sentiment but it aint ever going to happen is it..
Besides a lot of the trouble in Afghanistan is tribal and not religious and in Iraq its sectarianism.Just saying get rid of religion is far to simplistic and solves nothing as it can not be done.
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Pretty much like saying wipe out the drugs trade,it ain't ever gonna happen,the smugglers are always 1 step ahead,they only need a few shipments to get through.
Did see they were using subs to smuggle coke....
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Been watching this and from 1.07 onwards ex cia man talking about watergate and saying the cia were involved in shifting tonnes of drugs,I assume they probably still are...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lrOjkJF-aOo#!
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Been watching this and from 1.07 onwards ex cia man talking about watergate and saying the cia were involved in shifting tonnes of drugs,I assume they probably still are...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lrOjkJF-aOo#!
Yes but Nixon was a wrongun. Since then they have all been top blokes who would never lie or do anything illegal. 8)
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Ha ha ha !!! Wouldn't trust any of them,in that country,this one, or any other to be honest !
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Whats all this about we caint trust governments ;D
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This guy is great ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvmrfa8tIAI
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Can any body see the parity here?
we get arrested for this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r22npZe6508
This march is allowed to go on and supported by the police.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151625076156683&set=a.172691591682.123240.172540236682&type=1&theater
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Makes me sick... to be fair to the police their hands are tide and have been told to come down hard on anyone showing any patriotic support in the way of flying the union jack or George cross, basically the government know that if it kicks off there will be bloodshed in the way of more brutallity against our armed forces, terrorism in our cities... they have the upper hand here thanks to the Tony and his wife Cherie.
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We have the same problems here,boat loads cominig in.
there's even lots of them going over to Syria to fight in a war where muslims are killing each other.
i reckon that any Islamic cleric that preaches hate should be exiled to an Islamic country.
If they hate the west so much then why are they feckin here.they are free to leave any time,the sooner the better.As they say when in Rome.
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Has any one seen Dispatches Under cover Mosques
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=okj5tK-u3L8
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LMFAO you really have to love our police force and our pratt government.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/
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Its all about keeping "them" happy...
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Let Cameron and his pals keep allowing stuff like this . He's only doing himself out a job come 2015. a few months ago if someone suggested a victory for UKIP at the next election I would've laughed but now i'm not so sure . incidents like these are winning them voters. UKIP only lost my local by-election by 1000 votes . (Eastleigh). labour had less than half the votes of UKIP. I think big changes are on the way
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Can someone not shove that towel headed hate preacher down a set of stairs? or in front of a bus?
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I think personally it really does not matter,who gets in,they are all puppets
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I think personally it really does not matter,who gets in,they are all puppets
you've spelt the last word wrong Mark. It should be with an "M"
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Just cant wait to see this guy in front of Cameron. He will eat him alive. ;D
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXDwQEEAZhWM&h=sAQGCJbtOAQGg4tDE6KV_U_YCJ_T3BslJarjAdpEEtmL_tQ&s=1
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On the News earlier this week info about the new baby boom that we are in. Just a small article . It did not get much coverage on the news, i wonder why.
The last baby boom was in the 70,s and there was a child born every minute. 2013 we are now having 1.5 born every minute and 1 in 4 born are from immigrants or as sky news put it 25% are from women who where not born in the UK them selves.
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Scary stuff!
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I saw this week Channel 4 news doing there best to smear UKIP, Farage handled it well though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71koa7vuH4
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Some body sent this to me, very scary
our borders possibly need to be shut but here's a little video which explains what I mean
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY
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Certainly makes you think!