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Title: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: mark turton on April 21, 2013, 12:02:00 am
Hi all
weve had a couple of the 3 bed semi topics and prices -0 and one of you guys said youy were happy charging 3-4 quid for one and happy to earn the £8 an hour -

i dont mean to be rude but are you legit and for real coz if your earning £8 quid an hour in my book your earning a lot less?

1/3 = tax - 1/3 = running costs /overheads - 1/3 nett in pocket

ok maybe not exact but for every £10 job your actually earning after costs and tax around 3-5 quid at best. this isnt forgetting if your working £8 an hour work that it will be a lot,lot less coz of travel, days you cant work etc etc .

please if your charging that little, for the love of god help all trades people including yourself by charging more - to me thats someone on the dole doing beer money
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: windiewasher on April 21, 2013, 12:04:36 am
stop thinking,its not good for you! :o
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: mark turton on April 21, 2013, 12:05:21 am
stop thinking,its not good for you! :o

lol - yeah thats true  ;D
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: steve rix on April 21, 2013, 01:09:01 am
Not arguing with you but you can earn £9400 tax free. (We charge about £22 per man hour)
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: home6442 on April 21, 2013, 02:48:09 am
There are guys who charge £4 but do 8 houses per hour.
I couldn't do it and wouldn't want to.
I charge £15 and do 2 it all depends on what level of service you offer.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Ian101 on April 21, 2013, 07:32:43 am
Hi all
weve had a couple of the 3 bed semi topics and prices -0 and one of you guys said youy were happy charging 3-4 quid for one and happy to earn the £8 an hour -

i dont mean to be rude but are you legit and for real coz if your earning £8 quid an hour in my book your earning a lot less?

1/3 = tax - 1/3 = running costs /overheads - 1/3 nett in pocket

ok maybe not exact but for every £10 job your actually earning after costs and tax around 3-5 quid at best. this isnt forgetting if your working £8 an hour work that it will be a lot,lot less coz of travel, days you cant work etc etc .

please if your charging that little, for the love of god help all trades people including yourself by charging more - to me thats someone on the dole doing beer money

your sums are flawed as all window cleaners know that cash does not have to be declared so the deductions are only against traceable payments.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Ian101 on April 21, 2013, 07:33:50 am
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: SunShineCleaning on April 21, 2013, 08:04:02 am
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D




mmm... you say it's in jest......

And yet you can turn down £10 jobs.  ;D

Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: PAUL ERITH on April 21, 2013, 08:50:24 am
Not arguing with you but you can earn £9400 tax free. (We charge about £22 per man hour)

2012 / 2013 tax allowance is £16'210 if you have your wife on the books  ;) ;) working of course  ;D ;D
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Ian101 on April 21, 2013, 08:52:07 am
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D




mmm... you say it's in jest......

And yet you can turn down £10 jobs.  ;D



shocking i know  :)
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Tony Edwards on April 21, 2013, 08:55:18 am
£8 an hour !!

£35 for window cleaning
£50 for conny and gutters
£60 for patio cleans

And I get paid those rates not just dream about them
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Pureclean Essex Services on April 21, 2013, 09:13:50 am
I see an ad in my local chippy the other day, £5.00 any size house, and 50% discount if you recommend a friend, I suppose this is the younger generation trying to get in at start level.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: ben M on April 21, 2013, 09:43:28 am
There are guys who charge £4 but do 8 houses per hour.
I couldn't do it and wouldn't want to.
I charge £15 and do 2 it all depends on what level of service you offer.
ditto
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Sean Dyer on April 21, 2013, 10:01:17 am
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D
Everyone on here claims to pay tax... Understandably. But I reckon at least 1 in 2 are pocketing cash
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: steve rix on April 21, 2013, 12:21:14 pm
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D
Everyone on here claims to pay tax... Understandably. But I reckon at least 1 in 2 are pocketing cash

Morelike 95%
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: dotty on April 21, 2013, 12:33:39 pm
got a quote for a wall  of three brick layers  which one do i have one was 1000 1 was 750 and one was 650 they are all reg brick layers
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: one eyed window cleaning on April 21, 2013, 01:04:29 pm
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark. I can see a lot of second hand systems for sale soon.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: home6442 on April 21, 2013, 01:07:08 pm
Dotty,
The one with the best reputation for a good job.
No point paying £650 if you then have to pay £1000 to put it right.
Better to spend a few pounds more for quality.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: C o z y on April 21, 2013, 02:58:02 pm
btw my previous post was in jest  ;D
Everyone on here claims to pay tax... Understandably. But I reckon at least 1 in 2 are pocketing cash

 :o :o :o :o but that's illegal !!!  :o :o :o :o :o

I'm off for a lie down in a darkened room with a fruit salad.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: ascjim on April 21, 2013, 03:09:51 pm
Does it really matter what everyone else is earning?
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on April 21, 2013, 04:49:48 pm
Hi all
weve had a couple of the 3 bed semi topics and prices -0 and one of you guys said youy were happy charging 3-4 quid for one and happy to earn the £8 an hour -

i dont mean to be rude but are you legit and for real coz if your earning £8 quid an hour in my book your earning a lot less?

1/3 = tax - 1/3 = running costs /overheads - 1/3 nett in pocket

ok maybe not exact but for every £10 job your actually earning after costs and tax around 3-5 quid at best. this isnt forgetting if your working £8 an hour work that it will be a lot,lot less coz of travel, days you cant work etc etc .

please if your charging that little, for the love of god help all trades people including yourself by charging more - to me thats someone on the dole doing beer money

I think the post in question was fake, if you read through previous posts you can see that the poster is a real legit business.  However I have had my customers leafleted with exactly the same prices, most of these people aren't legit, the money they make doesn't pay tax, expenses are a car and a set of ladders.  Most of these cleaners aren't bothered about profit margins as they already have another form of income.

Simon.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: mark turton on April 21, 2013, 09:52:02 pm
i see another post listed for undercutting but i would think most guys just price on their own pricing system rather than undercut.

regarding this original post - i just think its very naive to think that pricing low is doing them or anyone a favour in the longer term.

everyone knows that fords on cars are amongst the biggest discounters on new - thats why thier residual values are so low and drop so quick. MEANING IF THIER WAS A FLOOD OF CHEAP PRICING AROUND IT WOULD JUST DRIVE DOWN THE JOB price FOR EVERYONE - THEN WHERE DO YOU GO, I just cant get over the 4 quid for a house anywhere in the country, even if next door to another customer, 4 quid seriously ... if folk didnt expect to pay a at least a tenner id be amazed. and if 4 quid was the ceiling for 3 bed semis - id pack up and do something else, lot less commitment and more money.

cheap pricing hasnt effeted my business that im aware off but i do think we should do what scotland do with licences to seperate folk that are making a career out of things to those that are just poking it with a stick a carving up prices.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: dotty on April 21, 2013, 11:43:18 pm
thanks john all three are good but dont know which one to have
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: MATT BATEMAN (OWC) on April 22, 2013, 12:51:28 am
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: gavinb on April 22, 2013, 08:29:04 am
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.

I must be doing something wrong then .
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Ian101 on April 22, 2013, 08:32:50 am
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.

The £800 a week not the issue for last 12 months ......... I could have a round worth £8000 a month but with snow, gale force winds etc etc some weeks just cant get thru it so even more reason for proper pricing.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: richard jagger on April 22, 2013, 11:50:57 am
I dont even try to argue the rights of business as its a lost cause on this forum. There will always be some ass retrying to re- invent the wheel on pricing. So why get excited about the lack of business ability, within this industry.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: 8weekly on April 22, 2013, 04:07:58 pm
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.
Yeah, but it takes a while to get there. £800 every week.
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: one eyed window cleaning on April 22, 2013, 06:38:24 pm
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.




This is only one line of what I actually wrote. ;-)
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Tom White on April 22, 2013, 06:41:26 pm
There are guys who charge £4 but do 8 houses per hour.

7 mins 60 seconds per house, one person; Mrs Jones takes 1 minute to get to the door, then a further 2 minutes to find her purse, then another minute telling you about her sore knee, then Mrs Smith queries you about a gutter clean, then Mr Bloggs...

In an ideal world, no access issues, no problems, 8 houses an hour might be possible on compact work - but routinely doing that, hour in, hour out - throughout the day...

 ;D

We did a commercial job this morning; we took our time; had a long coffee break and it worked out as £60 an hour.  That's feasible, 8 houses per hour for one person aint, unless they're dolls houses.

I don't care what anyone says, I know what's routinely possible, and what's not.

Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: Tom White on April 22, 2013, 06:46:25 pm
I see an ad in my local chippy the other day, £5.00 any size house, and 50% discount if you recommend a friend, I suppose this is the younger generation trying to get in at start level.

Sub them out your mansions!  ;D
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: DG Cleaning on April 22, 2013, 10:26:55 pm
I did some cottages today £4 each (they were this price when I bought them) I also canvassed another at £4.
I'm happy with the price on these ;D
Title: Re: every £1 = 33p in the pocket -debate?
Post by: one eyed window cleaning on April 23, 2013, 08:58:36 pm
A lot of desperate people, who have been sold these expensive systems and told its easey to make £800 a week Mark.

It is easy to do £800 a week. If you're not you're doing something wrong.



poop me to ??

I must be doing something wrong then .