Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Hard Floor Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Graeme Smith on April 18, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
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Yorkshire sandstone flag covered in a very shiny topical sealant
Water based alkaline stripper (chemspec) did not work - not suprised
Lithofin wax off - no result - sort of surprised thought the shine was lithofin slate seal
Aquamix SCR 30 mins dwell - no result
Nitromors - no result
white spirit - no result
Diamond hand block started to remove but I ain't doing the floor with them!
The surface is riven (very) kitchen built on it. The interesting thing is that when you lift up the rug the surface underneath is the same as the high traffic areas even though you'd expect to see some wear on the high traffic bits - this stuff is rock hard.
Customer has had the house for 7 years and did not do the deed to the floor - she hates it. Its too dark in a house with low ceilings and little windows. Mr A Martin thinks its a metallised polish hence the no joy. I can't believe not one of those products even dented it - no sign of emulsification on the test area
Heeelppp ???
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have you tried a metalised polish stripper?
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Try methylated spirits ;)
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Did you try the Gel we sent you?
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Is it driveway sealer? Seen a few like that recently. Xylene is only thing I have found that will touch it and there is no way I a, using that indoors.
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The Chemspec stripper would cut a metalised polish. thats what its designed for. It has to be a polyurethane to resist that lot.
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Yorkshire sandstone flag covered in a very shiny topical sealant
Water based alkaline stripper (chemspec) did not work - not suprised
Lithofin wax off - no result - sort of surprised thought the shine was lithofin slate seal
Aquamix SCR 30 mins dwell - no result
Nitromors - no result
white spirit - no result
Diamond hand block started to remove but I ain't doing the floor with them!
The surface is riven (very) kitchen built on it. The interesting thing is that when you lift up the rug the surface underneath is the same as the high traffic areas even though you'd expect to see some wear on the high traffic bits - this stuff is rock hard.
Customer has had the house for 7 years and did not do the deed to the floor - she hates it. Its too dark in a house with low ceilings and little windows. Mr A Martin thinks its a metallised polish hence the no joy. I can't believe not one of those products even dented it - no sign of emulsification on the test area
Heeelppp ???
Graeme
I have never come across any sealant especially a topical sealer that Aqua mix Sealing & Coating Remover can't strip off. This includes 5 Coats of Ronseal Marine Yacht Varnish. It took three applications with an hours dwell time each time but I got it off. Pre wet the surface then apply the S&CR leave it for 30 minutes then agitate with your Rocky and leave for a further 30 minutes then agitate again with Rocky making sure it stays wet. (If necessary add a little more S&CR) Then vac it up and rinse. Then examine it I bet it starts moving it. It may take several applications but it will get it off.
Follow the Instructions on MSDS link attached below:
http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/TDS/TDS-225.pdf
There is also a copy of these in your Aqua Mix course booklet.
Kev Martin
Marblelife ltd
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If thats the case, sounds like your be better off speaking to Mike about his Monster Brushes.
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The thing bouncing around in my head is that if something is going to work it needs to work up against the painted kitchen units - long dwell times with stripping agents maximum chance of damage to units. I have her email and will be back up in that area in the course of the next few weeks.
It did have that slightly plastic appearance that driveway sealer has - really shiny with no scratches or dull areas even though its been down for at least 7 years.
I know its really thick as its in a conservatory that was flooded 2 years ago and it started to flake off. I am guessing water got under the flagstones and broke the bond between the sealer and the stone so that room is now patchy as hell.
Jason did try that gel it did not work although I understand it could be left over 24 hours - I would need to apply some and maybe cover it to stop the customer and in particular the dog from walking through it.
All food for thought thanks
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If thats the case, sounds like your be better off speaking to Mike about his Monster Brushes.
Jason
There is nothing new about Monster Brushes! We have been selling these brushes for years they are available from us in 7 different grits and they are 33% cheaper than the so called best brushes on the planet!
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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The thing bouncing around in my head is that if something is going to work it needs to work up against the painted kitchen units - long dwell times with stripping agents maximum chance of damage to units. I have her email and will be back up in that area in the course of the next few weeks.
It did have that slightly plastic appearance that driveway sealer has - really shiny with no scratches or dull areas even though its been down for at least 7 years.
I know its really thick as its in a conservatory that was flooded 2 years ago and it started to flake off. I am guessing water got under the flagstones and broke the bond between the sealer and the stone so that room is now patchy as hell.
Jason did try that gel it did not work although I understand it could be left over 24 hours - I would need to apply some and maybe cover it to stop the customer and in particular the dog from walking through it.
All food for thought thanks
Graeme
The only thing to be affected in a kitchen normally is the end panels and any skirting board on the walls. The plinths which are also usually a problem can usually be removed. The skirting boards can be sorted afterwards and the end panels can be protected with some careful masking and the use of clear silicone!
You are in a way contradicting yourself by now saying that in the conservatory the sealer has started debonding due to being flooded this just proves my point even water alone has managed to strip it albeit with probably huge dwell times. So patience and the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover will work.
Finally you are better off with tried and tested methods and products every time!
Good Luck on your return visit and keep us posted on the outcome!
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics
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Thanks - what I was thinking of with the flooding was a two way thing - water got into the room and attacked from the top. It must have come up through the floor as the whole surrounding area was saturated trapping it against the sealer. I know from my days in the Fire & Flood game old houses they are never that dry at the best of times but point taken its not impossible to remove
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Sounds like Armorclad to me, the only thing I can think of that would resist all that AND be shiney
Terry
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Sounds like Armorclad to me, the only thing I can think of that would resist all that AND be shiney
Terry
Terry
Saw that in the US. Great stuff but I didn't think they sold it here?
Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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Hi Graeme
Can you physically get through the seal, ie if you were to use a window cleaners scraper, can you get through it? If you can scrape it and it comes off in a ribbon you can see how thick it is. When you used the sealing and coating remover, did the area go sticky? Its just had a very similar experience on a limestone floor
Regards
Tim
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Did not scrape off and did not even go Sticky with SCR or any other kind of S&C remover. I could tell how thick it was by looking at some that was peeling off in the conservatory- its bleeding thick
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Holy Moses :o
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Kev,
I can buy it in Ireland so I guess someone sells it in the UK, it certainly is strong stuff I used to have it down on Moher/Liscannor stone in my kitchen.
Terry
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Have you tried experimenting with paint stripper- put on small area and then cover with protective sheet and leave to dwell 24 hrs.
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Paul,
Nitromors is paint stripper, it may have an effect on Armorclad if used they way you recommend but I wouldn't put my house on it.
Terry
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Did have some nitromors and tried it - nothing doing
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Graeme,
Did you try covering it with plastic as was suggested? It stops it drying out therefore increasing the dwell time. Still doubt it will work just following up on the earlier suggestion.
Terry
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Terry
Just out of interest - when you say Moher stone do you mean you quarry the same stone that makes up the Cliffs of Moher! :o
The Tourist police will be after you!
Beautiful place the west coast of Ireland - cant wait to get back there!
regards
dave
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Dave,
Same area but different stone I think, its very like its more famous brother Liscannor stone. The stuff is still quarried but in any case mine was hundreds of years old you can't get them that size now. I bought it while it was still on the roof of an open barn, now each slab is around 5' x 4' and 1" to 2" thick, you can't posiibly lift one. There were 20 or 30 of these slabs ON A ROOF! The were supported by one oak beam (tree actually) running down the length of the building and not much else as far as I can remember. I had them on the floor for about 15 years but my wife hated the fact they were difficult to clean as they are very riven ( more so than Liscannor which is how you tell the difference).
Give me a shout if you ever make it back again, Pierre from Art of Clean was here a few weeks ago and drove that stunning Clare coast road, a drivers dream on a good day (rare in the west of Ireland)
Terry
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Sorry did not see your reply. Last time on west coast we spent 10 days on Achill Island about five years ago in a fantastic rented house after we found an artists sketchbook with paintings of Achill from the turn of the 19th/20 century - even saw some of the same street views as in the sketches - very friendly people delighted to see the book and show us around - even tho it turns out it was painted (probably) by someone from the church of ireland missionary church there - i.e. prots trying to convert the locals! what are we like, how did they get away with that!?
cheers for the shout may get back there sometime in the not too far distant as no 1 son's partner is a lovely lass from Derry with family from Letterkenny!
dave
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A good friend lives on Achille Island, it's a beautiful spot and if Malcolm is anything to go by they are sound people.
The relationship between the Church of Ireland and the Catholics is not like it is in the North, in many ways the prods are well respected... it's complicated not really one for this forum I suppose. Anyway more than happy to meet anyone who makes it over here.
Terry