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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on March 26, 2013, 06:05:29 pm
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can people please answer quick what average amount of houses you do daily please as one and two man teams
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all depends on size of house and distance!
but about 20-25 for one man, 40-45 for 2 men.
best me and mate has done in one day is just over 85. 78 was at the 3 block of flats so nice and simple
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Id have thought you would know this already richy?? Bit of a newbie question to ask.
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things just arent adding up mick full day today bit of travelling and that but 19 jobs 276 quid for two men
sure they may be getting other jobs on in the day and pocketing the cash peed off nursing home got left for 65 quid and a one off clean for a letting agency that we have messed around a bit
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How long is a piece of string?
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i know thats why i asked for average rough figures what most companies get done a day i know you can have a day of huge house and get 4-5 done or a shedload or terraces and get 50 done but just after on an avergae types round how many a day
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Why not get a van tracker, you can see where they are probably work out how much time at each job.
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Richy, I was near that between 8.30 and 1.30 today on my own. 14 jobs. Not much travelling though. 7 jobs required just one van move. Only one person to blame Richy.
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think richy got a tracker fitted other month.
problem is how many can one man do in a day putting two together doesnt double the amount plus i doubt there going to be working there socks off for an employer.. plus it is a cold day i duno. Its very hard to say what there doing they may b not taking the pee.
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Richy, I've met you and know you aren't an idiot, if you suspect something is wrong then it more than likely is...those figures for 2 men in a full day are shocking.
Just to answer the opening post, on compact £4-7 houses we can do roughly 30 houses each per day.
Trackers??
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got trackers fitted but they dont tell you if fascias jobs r being done on one road ive noticed a 12 quid job and a 15 quid job took two men 47 minutes to do which raises suspicions
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I wouldnt have thought 276 from two blokes in a day is that bad to be fair....
Could be better, but could be alot worse...
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that figure will be much lower once they get into those Groupon jobs I suspect.
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got trackers fitted but they dont tell you if fascias jobs r being done on one road ive noticed a 12 quid job and a 15 quid job took two men 47 minutes to do which raises suspicions
Look on the bright side Richy, they are earning atleast 3 times what you'll be earning on your groupon gutter work! :D
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im gonna carry out the groupon work myself
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hslf them groupon deals may not have much in there gutters on most houses id only charge 10quid a side to clear them and usually get one of sides not that full anyway it only gutter clearing yeah some maybe big some maybe small ive got a spare van sat there so its not going to impeed on other work and if i pick up some other work from it then so be it
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
my thoughts exactly been decent priced work today as well. came back at 5,30pm and said weve not managed to clean nursing home we do for £70 and a one off clean for letting agency
these same two lads i allowed one to come in late yesterday as he had council gas fitters round so had to move furniture and fittings and the other let have afternoon off to take mum for medical yet they couldnt be arsed to stay out to get work done an hour longer
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2 men on ladders can do 35+ in 6 hours
7 hours we can do close to 40 but that's for summer
Avg price £9
I thought WFP was quicker
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It was cold, though ;D.
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
my thoughts exactly been decent priced work today as well. came back at 5,30pm and said weve not managed to clean nursing home we do for £70 and a one off clean for letting agency
these same two lads i allowed one to come in late yesterday as he had council gas fitters round so had to move furniture and fittings and the other let have afternoon off to take mum for medical yet they couldnt be arsed to stay out to get work done an hour longer
Show them who the boss is. They don't respect you
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only way to stop them doing jobs on the side in your time is go with them.
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
my thoughts exactly been decent priced work today as well. came back at 5,30pm and said weve not managed to clean nursing home we do for £70 and a one off clean for letting agency
these same two lads i allowed one to come in late yesterday as he had council gas fitters round so had to move furniture and fittings and the other let have afternoon off to take mum for medical yet they couldnt be arsed to stay out to get work done an hour longer
Show them who the boss is. They don't respect you
Is that what the "special box" is for? :o
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that figure will be much lower once they get into those Groupon jobs I suspect.
;D ;D
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I'm confused hear your 2 man team did 270 id say that was pretty good when I work as a two man team all day we rarely hit£300 my prices are obviously not the best and driving maybe that's all I can think. Mite put some prices up. IV also noticed that on my own I can do 3 quarters of what I do with a second person on my own
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
my thoughts exactly been decent priced work today as well. came back at 5,30pm and said weve not managed to clean nursing home we do for £70 and a one off clean for letting agency
these same two lads i allowed one to come in late yesterday as he had council gas fitters round so had to move furniture and fittings and the other let have afternoon off to take mum for medical yet they couldnt be arsed to stay out to get work done an hour longer
WOULD YOU OF WANTED TO STAY AN HOUR LONGER AFTER WORKING IN THIS WEATHER?? PERHAPS GO WITH THEM ON THE ROUNDS OR POP UP RANDOMLY AT A JOB? WHEN WEATHER IS BAD WORK RATE SLOWS UP FACT, WHEN THE SUN COMES OUT THEY WILL FEEL MORE INCLINED TO STAY THAT EXTRA HOUR. Do they get a bonus for meeting days targets? Find out what motivates them if its money offer them a bonus you could of easily given them an extra £10 each if they got the nursing home done because you would still be earning another £50.
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its just nowhere neat whatthey should have got done ive looked over there daily log
two fronts onlys
two shop fronts inside and out
a flat with 4 windows
a gutter clear
a pub inside and out
then 14 normal size 3-4 bedroomed houses
they then missed off a nice easy nursing home and a one off clean of three bed semi for 30 quid
total work should have been £399
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how much do you pay your cleaners richy?
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£7 per hour at minute but if i found top notch employees id defo pay more
just seems to be one thing after another its defo my downfall dealing with employees can never get the right balance
this lot dont seem to want longer hours to earn more even tho by mid way thru the month there skint, they dont wana work weekend so im buggered ha
weeks like this i consider going bk to working on my own and picking the best bunch of customers i have with the nice commercial and selling the rest
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Think positive you earnt over £100 for yourself and you didnt have to freeze!
Also it is a minefield trying to get someone to do things the way you want, you will never find someone that will work as hard as you would or care as much as you do as its your company! Maybe tell them any work not completed gets added to the next morning this way if they dont do weekends their thursdays and fridays are gonna get packed and they will soon try and complete a days work on time, or retrain them go out with them see if you can speed them up in technique etc ....
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I dont understand the problem. Sounds like they did a decent days work,
£7 an hour isnt going to make them jump hurdles for you. you made over £100 profit for doing sweet fa. Was a verey cold day. I did £210 and my other van only did £260 but im still happy for a cold day like today. Maybe you should go out aswell richy. You have done a cracking job building up your business, the trick now is to tweek everything so it runs like clockwork. You need to gain your employees respect and to gain that you need to trust them. Offer insentives as we all know money talks. Offer them first clean of any new work to stop them doing it thereselfs.
Im not trying to tell you how to cook beans on toast but it realy is your fault if your not happy as you are the 1 in control managing your business. Take a step back and look at what you have and build on how you can make it better. It worked for me.
Im sure you will be back on top soon mate. All the best.
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just gone over the vehicle tracking must have just been one of them days there had been a fair bit of travelling maybe somedays i just expect a bit too much just a bit peed off they never bothered with the nursing home when i let them have time off yesterday
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I would start with looking at the manager of the company Richy - the head honcho
Does this person inspire the staff ? do they lead by example ? are they a go-getter, problem solver who
gets stuck into the work load ? gives encouragement and support to the staff ?
or are they a slacker, who rarely lifts a finger constantly berating and belittling staff ?
In answer to your OT - it's not the number of jobs scheduled but the value thats important
if your hourly rate for a 2 man team is £50 ph and a working day is 6 hrs then £300 of work should have been completed
IF NOT-
Have you accounted for travel to and from and factored this into your hourly rate ?
Is your pricing right to hit this target rate ? ( go good quoting £20 for gutters if your there an hour inc. travel to and from job )
If the staff cant hit this rate are they trained correctly ? can you hit this rate ???
Darran
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Hi Richy,
The first thing I do when I take on new staff is be perfectly straight with them regarding what I expect from them whilst working for me.
It takes a long time to build a solid window cleaning business, but only takes a short time to lose it.
As a boss you have to be fair, and your hourly rate of pay sounds ok to me, do you pay bonus at all ?
I would never pay my lads personally for hitting targets, as I think work would be rushed, and all I say to my lads is just take your time, do a good job, and take NO risks, and that way I know the work will be completed correctly (fingers crossed).
When I can see this happening, I do that bit more for my lads and look after them and give them a bit more to keep them happy working for me.
I make sure the equipment they use is quality, so they are happier whilst working.
The first time you notice or believe they are taking advantage of your better nature, YOU MUST SORT IT IMMEDIATLY.
Regarding your question as to how many jobs should be completed by your lads, only YOU will know.
I am not bothered how many jobs anyone else can do, I am only interested in what I believe is a fair days work for my lads, as everybodys targets are different.
You have to toughen up, just get a couple of lads that are good (difficult I know), manage them correctly, then when you need more staff split them up and let them be in charge of their team with the new lad, they will appreciate you for giving them the responsibilities.
Don't forget, don't expect too much, make sure you price correctly, and don't make them feel rushed, as that's when accidents are more prone to happening, and you do not want that.
Any advice or someone to try and help you, give me a call and your welcome to come for a coffee.
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I don't employ but £7 per hour doesn't seem like much.
If you paid them £9 per hour or 7 plus bonus would that get a better result?
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I don't employ but £7 per hour doesn't seem like much.
If you paid them £9 per hour or 7 plus bonus would that get a better result?
the thing is tho you cant pay more coz its not always guaranteed work you dont know if your going to be paid on the work or when
like i said in previous post if i had 2-3 lads that were happy with a very good day rate and when above n beyond whats required id pay a decent wage but until all my lads know how to get in on time and maybe stay a bit longer each day to help me out then im not gonna bend over backwards offering them great wages until i see the effort of one or two individuals my wages are prettyfair, i pay for jobs they bring in at 5er a go, im flexible i just want a bit more effort from them all to complete weeks targets at minute its not getting done and none are willing to work weekend to catch up
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Hi Richy,
The first thing I do when I take on new staff is be perfectly straight with them regarding what I expect from them whilst working for me.
It takes a long time to build a solid window cleaning business, but only takes a short time to lose it.
As a boss you have to be fair, and your hourly rate of pay sounds ok to me, do you pay bonus at all ?
I would never pay my lads personally for hitting targets, as I think work would be rushed, and all I say to my lads is just take your time, do a good job, and take NO risks, and that way I know the work will be completed correctly (fingers crossed).
When I can see this happening, I do that bit more for my lads and look after them and give them a bit more to keep them happy working for me.
I make sure the equipment they use is quality, so they are happier whilst working.
The first time you notice or believe they are taking advantage of your better nature, YOU MUST SORT IT IMMEDIATLY.
Regarding your question as to how many jobs should be completed by your lads, only YOU will know.
I am not bothered how many jobs anyone else can do, I am only interested in what I believe is a fair days work for my lads, as everybodys targets are different.
You have to toughen up, just get a couple of lads that are good (difficult I know), manage them correctly, then when you need more staff split them up and let them be in charge of their team with the new lad, they will appreciate you for giving them the responsibilities.
Don't forget, don't expect too much, make sure you price correctly, and don't make them feel rushed, as that's when accidents are more prone to happening, and you do not want that.
Any advice or someone to try and help you, give me a call and your welcome to come for a coffee.
cheers chris be good to catch up again let me know when ya working up warrington ways only down the road fromt here down m56
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Hi richy
From what I have read in this post and other you sound like you have a good business but if you don't act now your staff will run your business into the ground have you thought of doing a management course
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We dont look at just houses done its about £££ more importantly.
If there isnt a lot of driving 2 men should be doing £350 per day MINIMUM IMO!
As trad we had a lad out in a van for us who was doing £200-£250 per day.
It doesnt add up you lads are obv just working slow, they need a boost of some kind (Or a kick up the.....)
May you need ££ incentive's for them to get work done?? Even an extra £10 per day each if the hit target get them a further £200 per month each. But if they can do an extra £60 per day worth of work to start off with your gonna get £40 per day extra :-) Happy days!
Or why dont you go out with one of them and show them how you want it done, so theres the proof for them, IT CAN BE DONE!
But deffo IMO them figures are too low for a 2 man WFP days turnover.
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276 I can do on my own. 2 men thats shocking.
my thoughts exactly been decent priced work today as well. came back at 5,30pm and said weve not managed to clean nursing home we do for £70 and a one off clean for letting agency
these same two lads i allowed one to come in late yesterday as he had council gas fitters round so had to move furniture and fittings and the other let have afternoon off to take mum for medical yet they couldnt be arsed to stay out to get work done an hour longer
Show them who the boss is. They don't respect you
Exactly!!
The amount of posts I have read with moaning about staff....if ya not happy get rid and get some eastern Europeans on board they want to work!!!!
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Depends, how long is a piece of string.
Me and Darren push out £60 an hour.
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things just arent adding up mick full day today bit of travelling and that but 19 jobs 276 quid for two men
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sure they may be getting other jobs on in the day and pocketing the cash peed off nursing home got left for 65 quid and a one off clean for a letting agency that we have messed around a bit
sounds about right IF you are doing a proper job. IMO
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Do u have a spare van ?
if yes then start turning up on spec and if genuine behind then u can give a hand
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its not so much were behind ian more the fact i need more work done and theyre not willing to work extra to fit new work in
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I dont understand the problem. Sounds like they did a decent days work,
£7 an hour isnt going to make them jump hurdles for you. you made over £100 profit for doing sweet fa. Was a verey cold day. I did £210 and my other van only did £260 but im still happy for a cold day like today. Maybe you should go out aswell richy. You have done a cracking job building up your business, the trick now is to tweek everything so it runs like clockwork. You need to gain your employees respect and to gain that you need to trust them. Offer insentives as we all know money talks. Offer them first clean of any new work to stop them doing it thereselfs.
Im not trying to tell you how to cook beans on toast but it realy is your fault if your not happy as you are the 1 in control managing your business. Take a step back and look at what you have and build on how you can make it better. It worked for me.
Im sure you will be back on top soon mate. All the best.
good post mick ;D
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Why hours did they work on the day in question?
I find two in a van together can't earn as much as two in separate vans?
With one man and two vans I get £350-400 per day!
With two man one van they struggle with £300.
We don't work many hours 7.30-8am until 3-4pm
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Depends, how long is a piece of string.
Me and Darren push out £60 an hour.
depends on so many factors i have work i can do £45 an hour other work£30 and a 2 man team we sometimes only do £40 £45 an hour.
did a school yesterday in an hour and half 2 of us £190 so it realy does depend on so many factors
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Pay them a bonus or better wages. If that don't work then find someone who's prepared to graft.
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Depends, how long is a piece of string.
Me and Darren push out £60 an hour.
depends on so many factors i have work i can do £45 an hour other work£30 and a 2 man team we sometimes only do £40 £45 an hour.
did a school yesterday in an hour and half 2 of us £190 so it realy does depend on so many factors
The point I was making is that figure is the average. We knocked out a gutter/conservatory roof clean earlier today , it was £160 but we did it in 2 hours, thats £80.00 per hour average, by the end of the day we were down to the average I quoted earlier.
Its our average figure. its a guideline maybe if Richy wishes to consider this. It certainly isnt our best hourly rate nor is it our worse.
Simples really ;-)
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Easy solution.
You have 25 hosues u need cleaned.
U know the 25 houses as uv probably seen and cleaned them.
Set a guy off to do the 25 if he come back short with no valid reason. Sack him.
Same would apply if u needed 60 houses done with 2 men in a van.. u know the drills as uv once cleaned them and seen them.
If short. Sack them. Untill u find folk who can come bk completed. Then reward the folk so they keep up the good work.
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its not so much were behind ian more the fact i need more work done and theyre not willing to work extra to fit new work in
more work = more money for them.
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its not so much were behind ian more the fact i need more work done and theyre not willing to work extra to fit new work in
more work = more money for them.
i think they would love more money but family situations arent allowing them to work more shame this wasnt brought up in interviews when i mentioned overtime etc got the usual answer il work every weekend ;D ;D ;D
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Well its easy then, if they cant work when you need them too, sack them. There are hundreds that would work every hour possible for £7 per hour for a unskilled job.
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Earn your money, Richy.
Manage them.
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Earn your money, Richy.
Manage them.
i do manage them but ive been out the way the lat month busy running round quoting the schools so aybe they have eased off the pedal coz not been there puhing them to get it done
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Earn your money, Richy.
Manage them.
i do manage them but ive been out the way the lat month busy running round quoting the schools so aybe they have eased off the pedal coz not been there puhing them to get it done
Well, at least you've recognised that. If you've taken your eye off the ball, recently, then you know and you can re-focus.
But it was freezing and maybe they did have a slack day. Talk to them, tell them you understand but what you also expect.
You're going to get problems like that when you employ.
I don't employ, btw.
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i know now im was just fuming a bit when i wrote the post and wanted to show one of them what other expect of there two man teams hes apologised and said they shud have done care home as it only took him 50 min today on his own so 2 of them wud have done it in no time
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i know now im was just fuming a bit when i wrote the post and wanted to show one of them what other expect of there two man teams hes apologised and said they shud have done care home as it only took him 50 min today on his own so 2 of them wud have done it in no time
Richy these fellas don't realise the half of it, you've got to get your own wage, then there's the two girls in the office (and they seem to be messing about on the internet all the time), then there's a spare van. Then there's new batteries to buy, the long black rectangle ones, water to make in the unit and the list goes on. Some of them thinks its easy. You need to take a good hard look at your self guys. If i was you Richy, given the background you have said about yourself and your staff i think you might be able to get the CSA to sponsor you all. There's no doubt about it, the last year has been a bummer weatherwise and if you can get through all that who knows what you can do given good conditions? Onwards and upwards i say. I can see you going on the better things. Good luck with it all.
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got trackers fitted but they dont tell you if fascias jobs r being done on one road ive noticed a 12 quid job and a 15 quid job took two men 47 minutes to do which raises suspicions
Go pay a random visit to these customers and say you are doing a survey are they happy with the quality of your service etc etc then ask if they would like a fascia or gutter clean if they say you didit last month! Hey presto....
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Unannounced regular random spot checks / visits , some days been in a "mood" and "have a go at them" about anything , could be the state of the van , equipment , etc , on the next visit be really nice and bring them a coffee , but "keep them on their toes"
And at the end of the day if you are not happy with them sack them , you are better of with no staff than with cr@p staff from a stress point of view........
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Tell them you are monitoring performance and the poorest will be losing their job.