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Title: Can't decide what van
Post by: darryl09 on March 25, 2013, 09:52:34 am
Hi chaps I need help deciding between a tranny SWB or vauxhall vivaro/renault trafic or even the lwb high top connect
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 25, 2013, 12:16:09 pm
Vivaro 2.0 cdti superb
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Ste M on March 25, 2013, 01:18:06 pm
Big boys drive transits as they know a good van , whereas the vivaro is driven by.......... Well it's not really as a lot spend wayyyyyy to much time in the garage being repaired. Transits won't let you down and if they do they are cheap to fix and the parts are ten a penny, also more room in the cab and the van
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 25, 2013, 02:50:32 pm
Big boys drive transits as they know a good van , whereas the vivaro is driven by.......... Well it's not really as a lot spend wayyyyyy to much time in the garage being repaired. Transits won't let you down and if they do they are cheap to fix and the parts are ten a penny, also more room in the cab and the van




could not have put it better myself
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: DaveG on March 25, 2013, 02:52:17 pm
Also the Transit will rust before your eyes!!
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 25, 2013, 03:01:42 pm
Also the Transit will rust before your eyes!!





I know mate but i would rather have some rust showing than the sodding thing stuck in the garage all the time. why do you think i got rid of my 57 plate vivaro with only 75000 on the clock.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: DaveG on March 25, 2013, 03:17:47 pm
Know what you mean James! My 04 Trafic has had all the problems sorted before I bought it (famous last words)
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 25, 2013, 04:41:43 pm
My 03 trafic nearly bankrupted me
My 07 vivaro is superb
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Michael Peterson on March 25, 2013, 04:49:02 pm
transits wont let you down !!!! i just scrapped a transit that i had for 8 weeks, paid three and a half grand for it, and something in the road hit the oil filter cap which is plastic and right at the bottom of the engine, all the oil dropped out and the engine seazed. not very reliable if you ask me, the van was fully serviced etc
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: PoleKing on March 25, 2013, 07:11:09 pm
Old Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar-1.9-crap. 2.5-mine was perfect to 90k odd.
New ones-from what I hear 07on-pretty good.
Lovely drive.
Mines problem free (so far)

You can't argue with the Transit being reliable though. Look what all the pikeys drive-they drive across the fields as much as on roads and still go!

You will always have the odd van of any make turn out to be a pup though.
It's a bit of pot luck with 2nd hand motors.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 25, 2013, 07:11:40 pm
transits wont let you down !!!! i just scrapped a transit that i had for 8 weeks, paid three and a half grand for it, and something in the road hit the oil filter cap which is plastic and right at the bottom of the engine, all the oil dropped out and the engine seazed. not very reliable if you ask me, the van was fully serviced etc


Hi mate sorry to hear about your transit. I think your find that's not a reliablty problem with the transit it's the same as the vivaro.  in your case it was sheer bad luck and I do feel for ya so I am going to look at protecting mine some how. Hope you get sorted soon
James
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 25, 2013, 07:26:55 pm
Old Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar-1.9-crap. 2.5-mine was perfect to 90k odd.
New ones-from what I hear 07on-pretty good.
Lovely drive.
Mines problem free (so far)

You can't argue with the Transit being reliable though. Look what all the pikeys drive-they drive across the fields as much as on roads and still go!

You will always have the odd van of any make turn out to be a pup though.
It's a bit of pot luck with 2nd hand motors.


Darren I hope you have more luck with yours than I did with mine. I loved my vivaro I reel did but when it's going to cost me £2000 ish to put right I draw the line. So that's why I went for my monster called tiny lol
Jame
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Carl@Cwc on March 25, 2013, 07:31:38 pm
just got a pug expert 2008 ,102k on the clock, all motorway miles too, full service history and 2.0hdi version. £5300 .
650ltr tank to go in and its away.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on March 25, 2013, 07:35:31 pm
I've got a primastar the same as the vivaro and traffic, it's brilliant so far, pulls the weight, very spacious and a nice drive.  I guess you'll always get problem vehicles with all vans.

A friend of mine recently spent thousands on his 54 transit getting the injectors sorted, the Ford garage said that some engines come back after 25000 miles needing new injectors due to an inherent design flaw.

Simon.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: PoleKing on March 25, 2013, 07:40:27 pm
James-exactly the same story as you bud.
Perfect to 90k then turbo issues-£2k to fix. Not economical to repair-I was due a new van this year anyway so just brought it forward a year.
P/x for my new Trafic as I loved the van bar the turbo issue.
Went brand new so at least I get 3 years with no problems.
Looked at Transit, Vito, Transporter and another Trafic.
Merc-didn't really like that much tbh.
Transit-never been a Ford fan and wasn't swayed enough to change my mind.
Transporter I'd've loved but didn't want anything other than the t32 174 and couldn't afford that.
So, another Trafic it is.
Hoping for the T32 in 2017
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Xline Systems on March 25, 2013, 08:50:36 pm
connect all the way
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Dave Garrett on March 25, 2013, 08:55:42 pm
New Vivaro / Traffic / Primastar out next year anything after 07 spot on IMHO
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 26, 2013, 07:36:24 am
Hi chaps I need help deciding between a tranny SWB or vauxhall vivaro/renault trafic or even the lwb high top connect

Age?
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: tompoole on March 26, 2013, 08:32:37 am
If you're buying new , don't think it matters ESP if you chop
It in at 5years. I would buy new transit or toyota
If you buying old buy a landrover.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: darryl09 on March 26, 2013, 09:30:51 am
Im looking to spend up to £4000 an landrover? Maybe if I was up in the highlands but as I'm working in London il need a reasonable van
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Neil Jones on March 26, 2013, 11:05:01 am
Same as Gav, traffic 03 brand new was in and out of the garage so luckily didn't cost me anything, then had an 05 vivaro, for 6 years and just had one new clutch at 40,000 miles, sold that and now have an 08 vivaro which ill probably get rid of in 30,000 miles.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Spruce on March 27, 2013, 09:07:49 am
Big boys drive transits as they know a good van , whereas the vivaro is driven by.......... Well it's not really as a lot spend wayyyyyy to much time in the garage being repaired. Transits won't let you down and if they do they are cheap to fix and the parts are ten a penny, also more room in the cab and the van

That was definitely the case with the older, basic models.

But since the engine has gone common rail, parts and servicing costs have increased considerably. A fuel pump on a 2.5 Tddi lump was basic, cheap and quick to replace. The lastest one sits in the tank, costs nearly £300 and is must move difficult to replace. The old Injector pumps where basic and were easily repaired at the local diesel repair specialists as were the injectors. Not any more. Any diesel mechanic could do a good repair on them - now he needs more specialised equipment.

Saying that, the counter balance is that the pumps do seem to be more reliable.

This is the same scenario regardless of the make these days. Lower emmision requirements are costing us. Whilst I agree that diesel soot needed to be cleaned up by filtering the exhaust gases, the rest is a load of rubbish which is costing us. For good reason the USA rejected all this emmissions reduction nonsense.

I wonder when the change over point is when we are going to start demanding petrol engined vans rather than diesel.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Scrimble on March 27, 2013, 10:14:22 am
get whatever van suits you, a lwb high top transit wouldnt suit my business, nor would a peugeot bipper.

i bought a brand new doblo maxi and with a 600l tank on board its perfect for me, i got a really good deal new and every day i go to work in it i am very happy with my decision to buy it.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Spruce on March 27, 2013, 10:36:42 am
get whatever van suits you, a lwb high top transit wouldnt suit my business, nor would a peugeot bipper.

i bought a brand new doblo maxi and with a 600l tank on board its perfect for me, i got a really good deal new and every day i go to work in it i am very happy with my decision to buy it.


Excellent advice. Its what works for you and more importantly, what you are happy with.

If I was a single operator in my current circumstances I would only need a 400 litre tank as I never use any more. However I have a 2 man setup as occassionally my son works with me.

I brim my 650 litre tank which usually lasts me a couple of days so I don't have to keep getting the hoses out to fill up. Others will say I'm wasting money dragging all that extra weight around. I can't argue with that as I agree with them, however, it what works for me.

Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: darryl09 on March 27, 2013, 10:57:26 am
Yea I'm a 1 man set up at min so gonna get myself a high top ford connect
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: sean c on March 27, 2013, 03:26:07 pm
transit 140psi 350 mwb mr job done
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: Steve H on March 27, 2013, 03:58:11 pm
Any of you guys lease the vans "contract hire" payment up front, then monthly payments say 3 years or so, then give it back and start again. This is different to lease hire where you pay a balloon payment at the end.

Anyway, anyone do this, so they can have piece of mind of a new van !

Thanks in advance.

Steve
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 27, 2013, 04:38:36 pm
Big boys drive transits as they know a good van , whereas the vivaro is driven by.......... Well it's not really as a lot spend wayyyyyy to much time in the garage being repaired. Transits won't let you down and if they do they are cheap to fix and the parts are ten a penny, also more room in the cab and the van

That was definitely the case with the older, basic models.

But since the engine has gone common rail, parts and servicing costs have increased considerably. A fuel pump on a 2.5 Tddi lump was basic, cheap and quick to replace. The lastest one sits in the tank, costs nearly £300 and is must move difficult to replace. The old Injector pumps where basic and were easily repaired at the local diesel repair specialists as were the injectors. Not any more. Any diesel mechanic could do a good repair on them - now he needs more specialised equipment.

Saying that, the counter balance is that the pumps do seem to be more reliable.

This is the same scenario regardless of the make these days. Lower emmision requirements are costing us. Whilst I agree that diesel soot needed to be cleaned up by filtering the exhaust gases, the rest is a load of rubbish which is costing us. For good reason the USA rejected all this emmissions reduction nonsense.

I wonder when the change over point is when we are going to start demanding petrol engined vans rather than diesel.





spruce i agree with what you said about the older vans thats why i went for the transit 05 reg because it old school. the guy told me that the 05 reg transit 2.4td that i have has not got the mass fly wheel and no egr vavle so i hope he was not telling porkeys.
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: robert mitchell on March 27, 2013, 08:01:02 pm
He was telling porkys , you can buy a solid flywheel conversion for it .
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: evo on March 27, 2013, 08:10:31 pm
He was telling porkys , you can buy a solid flywheel conversion for it .

Right thanks for letting me know now I'm going to kick him in the nuts
Title: Re: Can't decide what van
Post by: mark turton on March 27, 2013, 09:23:13 pm
just got a pug expert 2008 ,102k on the clock, all motorway miles too, full service history and 2.0hdi version. £5300 .
650ltr tank to go in and its away.

carl did sell one of your vivaros then?

also dont you do driveway cleaning and gutter cleaning(with gutter vac?)
do you get all that in - in the back of your pug expert? (swb or mwb or lwb?)
what payload on your new pug ex as well?