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Title: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: richard jagger on March 21, 2013, 06:38:39 pm
As its my first diesel van. Can I push start my van as I think its starter motor has packet up.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: H2GoKent on March 21, 2013, 06:40:45 pm
As long as the glow plugs have worked then yes.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: C o z y on March 21, 2013, 06:41:24 pm
Of course. 3rd gear, away you go.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: Simon@ Clearview contractors on March 21, 2013, 06:45:53 pm
Not good for a diesel engine...
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: Frankybadboy on March 21, 2013, 06:48:07 pm
not with a full tank of water ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: landy2 on March 21, 2013, 06:52:16 pm
yes you sure can my starter motor packed in  , and had to get my garage to get it they just bumb started it no problem
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: H2GoKent on March 21, 2013, 06:53:47 pm
bumb started it! That's not a service on the AA is it.
Sorry to pick up on a typo but it was funny
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: R.W.C.S on March 21, 2013, 07:30:28 pm
If it's your starter motor, the best thing you can do is locate it, and give it a good whack with a hammer.

Mine went on my Vauxhall Astravan, gave it a good whack, and it lasted for another six months before it finally died.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stuart mc on March 21, 2013, 07:32:34 pm
Not good for a diesel engine...

why

and to the OP yes you can bump it
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: robert mitchell on March 21, 2013, 07:36:37 pm
It Can be problematic on any modern engine due to the filters on the exhaust .

Prob wont do any harm on the odd occassion though .
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stevieg on March 21, 2013, 08:13:50 pm
Bloody starter motors,just changed mine today! Started playing up 2 days ago and failed this morning.  Absolute pig of a job(2 hours contorted under an Ldv) Done now and after a hot bath finally thawed out and rearing to go out tomorrow in the B..... snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: colin purewater on March 21, 2013, 08:27:20 pm
Heavy vans  bump Easyier in reverse
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: richard jagger on March 21, 2013, 08:51:41 pm
I am not sure its the starter motor all the dash lights,light up but when I turn the Key and nothing happens,not even a tick.I will give it a whack tomorrow as suggested.I was driving back from the Window cleaning show and the motor just went dead then started again but when I reached home is would not start.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: Simon@ Clearview contractors on March 21, 2013, 09:26:21 pm
Diesel engines run at a highr compression than petrol engines...

Also, for a temporary you can arc starters into actionh if they are dying, simply get a bolt in a pait of pliers and touch both terminals on the starter.  It's not ideal but if your really stuck it sometimes works...
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stuart mc on March 21, 2013, 10:05:24 pm
I am not sure its the starter motor all the dash lights,light up but when I turn the Key and nothing happens,not even a tick.I will give it a whack tomorrow as suggested.I was driving back from the Window cleaning show and the motor just went dead then started again but when I reached home is would not start.

if it died on you while driving it is not starter motor, more likely alternator/ fan belt or battery not taking a charge
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: MATT BATEMAN (OWC) on March 21, 2013, 10:10:44 pm
Not good for a diesel engine...

why

and to the OP yes you can bump it

+1
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: MATT BATEMAN (OWC) on March 21, 2013, 10:11:30 pm
I am not sure its the starter motor all the dash lights,light up but when I turn the Key and nothing happens,not even a tick.I will give it a whack tomorrow as suggested.I was driving back from the Window cleaning show and the motor just went dead then started again but when I reached home is would not start.

if it died on you while driving it is not starter motor, more likely alternator/ fan belt or battery not taking a charge

+1 or the earth.
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stuart mc on March 21, 2013, 10:14:26 pm
I am not sure its the starter motor all the dash lights,light up but when I turn the Key and nothing happens,not even a tick.I will give it a whack tomorrow as suggested.I was driving back from the Window cleaning show and the motor just went dead then started again but when I reached home is would not start.

if it died on you while driving it is not starter motor, more likely alternator/ fan belt or battery not taking a charge

+1 or the earth.

agreed forgot about that,
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: Spruce on March 22, 2013, 07:17:56 am
Some vehicle have a fuseable link that blows if the starter motor draws too much current. Of those that do employ this method of current protection, the fuse may cut current completely, but others just use it on the main starter cable leaving power to other functions.

There will be a fuse protecting the solenoid, and there may even be a relay in that same circuit.

As has been stated - check that there is current from the battery at the main starter terminal and then check if there is current to the solenoid when turn the key to start.

As a temporary check you can run a test cable from the battery + a touch the solenoid terminal with the other end. If it kicks the starter motor into life, then the problem isn't the starter motor.
 
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: richard jagger on March 22, 2013, 10:40:56 am
Thanks chap for the input and a special thanks to my mate Spruce always ready with his good knowledge of vehicles.
I have solved the problem it was a bad earth connection. I checked the battery and only registered 11.56 volt so thought put the charger on and then saw the state the earth lead was in so replaced it. Thanks, there is always someone on this forum to help and advise.Me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D again
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stuart mc on March 23, 2013, 12:32:30 am
Thanks chap for the input and a special thanks to my mate Spruce always ready with his good knowledge of vehicles.
I have solved the problem it was a bad earth connection. I checked the battery and only registered 11.56 volt so thought put the charger on and then saw the state the earth lead was in so replaced it. Thanks, there is always someone on this forum to help and advise.Me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D again

sorry just a question but why thank spruce knowledgeable as he is, but Matt Batemen told you what was the likely problem, That fitted your description? just wondering
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: MATT BATEMAN (OWC) on March 23, 2013, 12:37:25 am
Because he's ugly and I'm not  ;D
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: stuart mc on March 23, 2013, 12:42:08 am
Because he's ugly and I'm not  ;D

fair enough then ;D
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: richard jagger on March 23, 2013, 03:39:28 am
Because Spruce has helped me quite a few times before. Thanks Matt Batemen and  Stuart M you are true assets to this forum and I will eternally grateful for your input on  this matter. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can one push start a diesel van.
Post by: Spruce on March 23, 2013, 08:44:03 am
I'm glad you got the problem sorted.

I've experienced a problem with a poor earth cable on a previous van. Most earth cables are secured to a stud on the gearbox. Steel bolts, an alloy threaded gearbox and heavy current don't mix and corrosion quickly starts.
I experienced all lights on the dash, but when I tried to start the engine, everything went dead.