Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark turton on March 14, 2013, 11:04:32 pm
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ive seen you tube clips on this etc and always wondered if there was a longer dwell on the truckmount side of carpet or something.
as regarding other topic re psi used.
cleaning with psi between 200-300 why would you use more on a carpet and too much heat could play havoc with the backing of the carpet - so whilst the suction and psi higher on a tm and therefore claimed to be significantly faster to enable upto 100k a year earning (subject to having the work) - is there also more risk with a tm of damaging carpet???
other than portability does the tm offer significant advantagous over a porty whilst being able to clean carpet carefully? it also seems on the surface that you need good aftersales service or have a good idea of how to maintain an engine.
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The only reason i would buy a truckmount and i will eventually. is to have the option of of using a sx-12 for tile and grout cleaning.
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The only reason i would buy a truckmount and i will eventually. is to have the option of of using a sx-12 for tile and grout cleaning.
surely you can achieve that without that kinda of expense? and do you do a lot of tile and grout clean ? no idea what you charge for that per sq foot?
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trunkmounters dont want to hear it ;D
good luck
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Truckmounts will clean faster and carpets will dry faster. They are a productivity tool. I don't sell truckmounts now but I do sell portables so this is an honest answer.
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John is right, it's about ptoductivity, you can do a lot more jobs with even an entry level TM than you can with a porty and the quality and drying times are usually better too. As for too much heat causing problems - you've lost me there. Have yourself a day out with a TM'er. ;)
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Having both a tm and a powerful portable I would say that personally for me a tm wins hands down. But then I can afford to run a tm and having to do 5 to 6 jobs a day regularly is a lot easier and much quicker with a tm. Yesterday I cleaned a filthy dirty lounge dinner in 45 mins including setting up and packing away. The guy had forgot I was coming and I had to be out within the hour. The carpet was minging but cleaned up lovely and all but one stain from a red curry came out. Carpet was just damp to the touch and the guy was amazed and over the moon. Im going back next fri to do the rest of the house. Could I do that with a portable? Yes its possible but I would be rushing around like a blue arse fly to do it.
I like that with a tm I dont have to wait around for hot water, or have to find 2 spare plug sockets when setting up. I clean most carpets on 350 to 450psi. Ive never had no problems with shriking or carpets being damp for days.and as regards a tm being too hot and damaging a carpet, thats a load of crap imo. Ive cleaned with cold water and all that rubbish. Hot water always cleans infinitely better
But then there is also the expense of running a tm. Despite what people say a tm is expensive to run. I would save 450 quid a month if all I used was a portable. Thats a nce profit but im lazy and prefer to use a tm lol
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might sound silly question but can you turn of heater if u didn't want to use hot water guess simple answer thermostat turn it down ?
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might sound silly question but can you turn of heater if u didn't want to use hot water guess simple answer thermostat turn it down ?
Most have temperature control. Some don't, but they're the ones with microscopic blowers.
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Billy's got a microscopic one and he can't control it either ;D
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A good quality porty will work just fine in the right hands, after a brief encounter with a prowler i decided it wasn't right for me and reverted back to a porty.
Sometimes less is more...
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Even my so called microscopic blower just does the business for me!!! ;D
Simon "Wiggy" Gerrard is right! Spend a day with a TMer, I did, opened my eyes completely! and i had a scorpion at the time, which was supposed to be the mutts nuts in portables!
That day out was at the start of november a couple of years ago, the day after i used the scorpion and it just couldn't compete! So that day i was on the phone to Hydramaster and by the middle of january i sold the scorpion on and had a shiny new tm in the back of my van!!!!
I don't regret it one bit, has it transformed my business? yes it has, since that day my business has come on leaps and bounds, i've bought a new bigger van, i've just moved into a new office and store, my wife has just come to work for me, and i employ somebody a few days a week to help out,
I'm also on the lookout for another van for something else i have up my sleeve ;)
Is it just the TM that did all this? of course not, theres alot more involved, but the TM gave me the opportunity to explore these other avenues
;D
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some excellent replies on this topic guys - why is it you have something thats working well and then you want bigger and better - you guys should work on the sales team
for these tm companies - talk about wet your appetite.
would love to own one but think for now ill build with a high end porty and most defnetley take a tm on in the not too distant future.
for one thing if you get a large commercial you can run 3 men of it as well cant you?
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Mark I agree with you. You can build a good business and still do an amazing job still with a high end portable. At the end of the day both a tm and portable in the right hands can do an amazing job. The reason I brought a portable was because I started to do a lot more work on my own. When I used to work with my dad we could fly thru the work with a portable. One would fil and empty and prespray and scrub with a crb while the other extracted. I brought a tm as I wanted a easier life when my dad stopped working. I hated lifting the portable in and out the van 6 times a day lol. Now all I do is phll the hoses off the van and switch on the tm and hey presto im cleaning :D
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Hi Guys
As Luc says, I found the TM makes my life so much easier and means I finish earlier and am less tired, which is all good for an old boy!
Cheers
Doug
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for one thing if you get a large commercial you can run 3 men of it as well cant you?
You can if you've got a Titan 875 ;D
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Simon, is your titan loud when you are running 3 hoses. Its a beast of a machine :o
hope you dont mind me asking how much does it cost to run?
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You don't need such a big machine to run more than hose of it. I have a boxer 321 and the other month had a chance to run 2 guys of it, the machine was already set up for this when i brought it. One doing the carpets the other doing the sofa's in 8 lodges. It cut down the time spent on site, allowing for other jobs to be done, and the machine did not miss a beat. Would not be without my TM....one of the main things is it increases productivity without lossing out on quality.
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Simon, is your titan loud when you are running 3 hoses. Its a beast of a machine :o
hope you dont mind me asking how much does it cost to run?
Luc,
The Titan is very quiet but then the engine is only doing 2700 rpms at full power, so it's more of a pur than the noise you seem to get with smaller machines that have to work a lot harder than 1.6 litre GM Vortec.
We've had 4 RX20's running off it at the same time.
At full power it uses about 10 litres of LPG per hour which is peanuts in comparison to how much it is earning in that configuration.
Simon
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I'd like to know where you are all getting your work from 4 5and 6 jobs a day I've hardly ever had more than 3 jobs in a day and at the moment I'm lucky to get 1 or is the tm that fast your all charging £10 a room ???
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I'd like to know where you are all getting your work from 4 5and 6 jobs a day I've hardly ever had more than 3 jobs in a day and at the moment I'm lucky to get 1 or is the tm that fast your all charging £10 a room ???
One of the hidden advantages of a TM is that people, rightly or wrongly, attribute the enhanced speed and quality to the 'big machine outside,' which adds a 'wow' factor to the job. Most people have never seen a TM before and because of that they often ring up saying, 'are you the company with the big machine in the van?' The advantage of this is you tend to keep your customers a lot better because they believe, again, rightly or wrongly, that they can't get what you do anywhere else, which is exactly what you want them to think. Because of the same effect, you tend to get a lot more recommendations and that is how you get to 4, 5, 6, even 7 jobs a day without doing any extra advertising. You can easily do £500 a day and more with a TM.
Simon
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Don't get a TM especially if you live near me. Spend your money on a high end portable costing £4-5k.
This TM thing is all propaganda in reality they are just for show. :D
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I agree.... I can do 6 or 7 jobs a day, and I don't have a TM...
I even earned over £400 for 1/2 a day's work today..... :o :o
And I just spin rags round for a bit.. ;D ;D ;D
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Oh and wynne...
who knows where you are??? :P :P
;D
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Don't get a TM especially if you live near me. Spend your money on a high end portable costing £4-5k.
This TM thing is all propaganda in reality they are just for show. :D
Yeah, they are rubbish, just boys toys and bragging rights ;D ;D
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I even earned over £400 for 1/2 a day's work today..... :o :o
Hector, You doing Groupon again. ;D
Simon.
Oh, sorry,
Hector is right,
Simon ;D
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;D ;D
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I think it should be a rule you can only compare a TM with portable and rag whirler IF you own all three. :D
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Well that gets rid of hector the chief rag whirler, thank god ;D
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Hey I used to own a
pottie portie, and I touched Simons TM once .. :P :P
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Hector,
You've never been the same since. ;D
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So hector where are you getting all the jobs I'm quiet and I know others around here with tm porty and df and none of them seem to be busy ? Del
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repeat customers, and off the website Del.
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Had been a bit quiet here, then yesterday the sun came out and the phone never stopped ringing, to the point of being annoying and I stopped answering in the end. :)
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If I knew how to get excellent like hector ( yes I believe he does brilliant work because he knows what he's on about) on lm cleaning I would turn to buffing tomorrow!
Shaun
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TM every time.... cost a piggin fortune when it breaks down though.. but could not have earned as much over the past 6 years without it though... I LOVE MINE
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Next time I get a tm I want a vortex if you're gonna do it you may as well do it right.
Shaun
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My Sunday job will be a mix of 'top end porty' & 'rag whirling' and worth an incredible amount of money for about 5 hours work ....... they will not allow the use of TM in this building, due to noise & security etc. It is probably the only place that I could get through 100 gallons of water and I am more than happy to do one job a day ....... plus my drive is only big enough for a Connect :o
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I think the main thing is having a range of tools available and I think a TM is one of those tools most cc should have eventually. If you are doing well in the grand scheme of things they are not expensive unless you want something brand new with all the bells and whistles which tend to be the things that go wrong and require retailer repair.
The other day I looked at a bedroom carpet in an eot and thought best tool for this is the Kirkby and I was right. Everything else needed power burst, crb and TM.
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and i guess truckmount no good if job on 1 way road and cant park nearby whichsometimes happens with us
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there's hundreds of roads like that where I live.
I.e. double yellow lines on the side of the street where you job is, special permit needed on the side of the street where the job is, no place to park as its already taken up, etc etc
Both jobs that i'm doing today would be impossible with a truckmount. Out of the 4 jobs I did yestarday only one was TM doable.
IMO more TMers use thier porty than they let on ;) unless they live in small villages.
Tony
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I don't own a portable, only a cfr spotting machine and the TM.
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So is a TM end porty challenge still on at TACCA do?
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Why not park on the one way street and put the pipes under the van or through the back door? Come on guys thinking caps on please don't you want the customers money?
Shaun
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So is a TM end porty challenge still on at TACCA do?
And LM/ Encap would be interesting.
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are you going to test access issues and cost of running a tm copared to a porty at the tacca day?
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are you going to test access issues and cost of running a tm copared to a porty at the tacca day?
I bet you were good at top trumps at school.
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are you going to test access issues and cost of running a tm copared to a porty at the tacca day?
We could do and the porty wold turn out to be the most expensive of the two to run as even with the TM fuel per hour is taken into account they earn way more ;)
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How about the cost of running a rotary? The initial set up costs, and the speed at which they can earn you money doing commercials especially ?? :P
;D
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Hector is right
Simon ;D
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Hector is right
Simon ;D
Grudgingly he is on this one. A second hand rotary can be paid for on a very modest commercial job. Build up pads over time.
Now watch those Ebay prices soar!
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I have used a TM for the last 9 years.
The double lines is not a problem as long as we have hoses coming from the van into the property we are doing and the van is not obstructing anybody the parking wardens leave us alone.
Dont need a permit as the machine is classed a a piece of fixed plant so the local council said a permit is not needed.
Admittedly it may be a bigger problem in the cities where parking may be a bigger issue in some cities it would be impossible with the red routes.
The issue with a one way street I have in the past turned the van round so that it faces in the wrong direction and then after doing the work turn it back round.
The few jobs that we have been unable to do have been farmed out to someone else.
There is always a way to get round the few issues we may have.
Do have a portable a small prochem bravo the last time we used it was about 6 months ago in a old people complex to remove a stain.
Ray
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I look at it this way-
Wales is small, friendly, reliable and packs a punch much like a porty!
England is large, noisy all over the place and drinks far too much just like a TM!
on Saturday it was the porty that proved to be the mightier :D just consistantly taking the leed
Moral-- Consistancy, technical application, moveability and sheer commitment beats overall sise ;)
;D
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Thats a bit of an odd ball analogy.
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Thats a bit of an odd ball analogy.
;D
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There is of course the down-side to the speed of a TM, like the other day a customer suddenly didn't want to pay me the money I'd quoted to clean a couple of chairs because I'd done it in half the time another company said they'd take!
After she'd finished picking holes in everything I had been there about half an hour longer than I should have been but hey ho she got her money's worth in the end!
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Maybe she just took a fancy to you Jim :o :o
;D
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I look at it this way-
Wales is small, friendly, reliable and packs a punch much like a porty!
England is large, noisy all over the place and drinks far too much just like a TM!
on Saturday it was the porty that proved to be the mightier :D just consistantly taking the leed
Moral-- Consistancy, technical application, moveability and sheer commitment beats overall sise ;)
;D
with a name like wynne jones I thought you'd have loved that ? ;D
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I look at it this way-
Wales is small, friendly, reliable and packs a punch much like a porty!
England is large, noisy all over the place and drinks far too much just like a TM!
on Saturday it was the porty that proved to be the mightier :D just consistantly taking the leed
Moral-- Consistancy, technical application, moveability and sheer commitment beats overall sise ;)
;D
with a name like wynne jones I thought you'd have loved that ? ;D
I did. I'm also and odd ball.
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I'm also and odd ball.
You could well regret that ;D ;D ;D
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Have not been on the site for some time but this topic has been on going for as long as i can remember the truth is that they both have there place. In over 20yrs i have always used portables and ok may not have been on the sort of money that some on here say they ern per year but am still hear making a living and thats all that counts at the end of the day. I would add that i do a lot of Hotel work and having a TM would be neither use nor orniment to me in those jobs. In closing i would say in all the time that i have been doing this job i can only remember one customer say something re a TM most would not know they exist and more to the point wye should they. So long as they keep coming back to me and no one elles meens that they must be happy, and i know i am.
Take Care, John Rimmer