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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Deangsi on March 04, 2013, 03:41:41 pm
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hi guys just had my first go with the extreme 25 and the half way clamping is realy odd its going to take some getting used to i think how do you all get on with it? ;D
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Can you describe what this halfway clamp thing is. Surely you can clamp-off as you extend at any length anyway?
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Not a problem at all.
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No problem at all, I would actually say it makes life a bit easier. Residential and commercial.
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
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I have an early slx xtreme so only halfway adjustment on yhe 4th section. I actualy think it makes life easier it's one less decision to make, just how many sections do I extend rather than how many sections do I extend and how much should I extend then last section.
The halfway clamping points are a great idea to make the pole even more versatile. It really isn't that hard to get your head around.
Simon.
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It's to save weight I would imagine.
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No problem here. ;)
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It is a bit weird at first....but you'll get used to it :)
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It is a bit weird at first....but you'll get used to it :)
That's what I was thinking well at £400 in the sale I will be using it all the time. I just hope I dont decide to take my slx back out and retire the extreme to the van lol some jobs I have I have one section out only a couple of feet so im not sure how it will fare
having said that I love the regidity of the pole and the weight. The carbon gooseneck was removed in place of the resi neck I couldn't get used to it at all
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It is a bit weird at first....but you'll get used to it :)
That's what I was thinking well at £400 in the sale I will be using it all the time. I just hope I dont decide to take my slx back out and retire the extreme to the van lol some jobs I have I have one section out only a couple of feet so im not sure how it will fare
having said that I love the regidity of the pole and the weight. The carbon gooseneck was removed in place of the resi neck I couldn't get used to it at all
I have 3 carbon necks but still only use resi-necks.
As for needing just a couple of feet extended, doesn't the base section have two mid-clamping points on the 25ft version? If so, you would just extend the base to the first point, this is what I do with the 47 for any minor length adjustment. ;)
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I invented half way clamping
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Someone has to take the blame I suppose.
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i have some calls where i only require one lengh out, but if i need another foot to make me not have to stretch
i extend two or three other section another few inches , so no problem. john.
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I invented half way clamping
He did :)
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hi guys just had my first go with the extreme 25 and the half way clamping is realy odd its going to take some getting used to i think how do you all get on with it? ;D
I still work with an early model Xtreme25 that does not have halfway clamping on any section apart from the base section and even like this it is amazingly adaptable. With halfway clamping on all of the sections now (3 point clamping on the base of the 47ft & no halfway clamping on the Xtreme18 on sale at the moment) you will soon find that that 2.5ft of adjustment is all you actually need and speeds you up in your work day as clamping is a much simpler choice.
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It is to allow us to use thin wall carbon with our standard clamps and maintain full strength when extended. If the walls were made to be the same thickness along their entire length (like an SLX) then the pole would weigh nearly as much as an SLX and would actually be less rigid, than the current Xtreme is now, due to the increased force exerted from the extra weight of the pole - adding material thickness does not necessarily increase rigidity. So if a pole manufacturer claims that their poles are more rigid because of thicker wall sections (rather than better materials used) this will rarely be the case.
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It is to allow us to use thin wall carbon with our standard clamps and maintain full strength when extended. If the walls were made to be the same thickness along their entire length (like an SLX) then the pole would weigh nearly as much as an SLX and would actually be less rigid, than the current Xtreme is now, due to the increased force exerted from the extra weight of the pole - adding material thickness does not necessarily increase rigidity. So if a pole manufacturer claims that their poles are more rigid because of thicker wall sections (rather than better materials used) this will rarely be the case.
amazing what goes into a pole ............ and I thought it was just a simple thing :)
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amazing what goes into a pole ............ and I thought it was just a simple thing :)
That depends, on how picky she is.
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It is to allow us to use thin wall carbon with our standard clamps and maintain full strength when extended. If the walls were made to be the same thickness along their entire length (like an SLX) then the pole would weigh nearly as much as an SLX and would actually be less rigid, than the current Xtreme is now, due to the increased force exerted from the extra weight of the pole - adding material thickness does not necessarily increase rigidity. So if a pole manufacturer claims that their poles are more rigid because of thicker wall sections (rather than better materials used) this will rarely be the case.
So, you are saying a thinner, therefore weaker wall pole is more rigid??? Are you sure you want to claim that on a public forum?
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It is to allow us to use thin wall carbon with our standard clamps and maintain full strength when extended. If the walls were made to be the same thickness along their entire length (like an SLX) then the pole would weigh nearly as much as an SLX and would actually be less rigid, than the current Xtreme is now, due to the increased force exerted from the extra weight of the pole - adding material thickness does not necessarily increase rigidity. So if a pole manufacturer claims that their poles are more rigid because of thicker wall sections (rather than better materials used) this will rarely be the case.
So, you are saying a thinner, therefore weaker wall pole is more rigid??? Are you sure you want to claim that on a public forum?
Do you know "anything" about carbon Foxy? ;D Don't go diggin' ya self another huge hole dude! ;D
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personally i hate it , and it was a right nuisance today when i was doing a conny roof , i can only assume its to save carbon ?
It is to allow us to use thin wall carbon with our standard clamps and maintain full strength when extended. If the walls were made to be the same thickness along their entire length (like an SLX) then the pole would weigh nearly as much as an SLX and would actually be less rigid, than the current Xtreme is now, due to the increased force exerted from the extra weight of the pole - adding material thickness does not necessarily increase rigidity. So if a pole manufacturer claims that their poles are more rigid because of thicker wall sections (rather than better materials used) this will rarely be the case.
So, you are saying a thinner, therefore weaker wall pole is more rigid??? Are you sure you want to claim that on a public forum?
Do you know "anything" about carbon Foxy? ;D Don't go diggin' ya self another huge hole dude! ;D
Winpro, you probably know more than me. As far as I know I've never 'dug myself a huge hole' if you know otherwise please let me know. ;)
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great ...i love it ... everyone knows alex is da vinci of pole making ;D
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great ...i love it ... everyone knows alex is da vinci of pole making ;D
Really...?
Yet Dave Morris provided the simple answer.....
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Yea Foxy what do you know?? You only sell more window cleaning equipment than any other retailer in the UK
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Yea Foxy what do you know?? You only sell more window cleaning equipment than any other retailer in the UK
Yeah, it's a shame he's so little knowledge of the products he sells. ::)roll
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Phoenix don't make a full carbon pole do they? ::)roll
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Phoenix don't make a full carbon pole do they? ::)roll
Yes we do. We can provide a fully carbon pole if that is what is required.
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Yea Foxy what do you know?? You only sell more window cleaning equipment than any other retailer in the UK
Yeah, it's a shame he's so little knowledge of the products he sells. ::)roll
Winpro, really? What do you need to know..
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If it wasn't for Steve starting WCW you boys would all be paying full list price for your equipment, so instead of having a go at him all the time you may want to thank him
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Phoenix don't make a full carbon pole do they? ::)roll
Yes we do. We can provide a fully carbon pole if that is what is required.
I thought the bottom section was fibre glass.
Perhaps I'm mistaken?
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If it wasn't for Steve starting WCW you boys would all be paying full list price for your equipment, so instead of having a go at him all the time you may want to thank him
Don't be so silly woody, or so naive. ::)roll
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If it wasn't for Steve starting WCW you boys would all be paying full list price for your equipment, so instead of having a go at him all the time you may want to thank him
Wouldn't we all just pay the market value as with mostly everything?
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well 3 days on the extreme 25 and i love it big time almost as much as my gf haha. all i need now is a new van to put it in lol ;D
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You could buy yourself a scaffold pole instead I suppose.
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Mr Foxman - did you actually read Alex's post or did you just get all excited and post the first thing that came into your head?
Alex explained the thinner walls and why they are used. Do you know anything about pole manufacture?
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Mr Foxman - did you actually read Alex's post or did you just get all excited and post the first thing that came into your head?
Alex explained the thinner walls and why they are used. Do you know anything about pole manufacture?
Mr Willis, yes I did read Alex's post hence what I said. Alex was having a dig at the competition, as other companies use thicker walls to give extra strength, longevity and rigidness - downside is they are marginally heavier.
Are you the same Dave Willis on the other forum?
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No, I didn't think Alex was having a dig at anyone. He was just explaining the Xtreme pole (which isn't in competition with yours anyway). Fibreglass poles would be thicker than an Xtreme too but less rigid.
What other forum?
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No, I didn't think Alex was having a dig at anyone. He was just explaining the Xtreme pole (which isn't in competition with yours anyway). Fibreglass poles would be thicker than an Xtreme too but less rigid.
What other forum?
Mmmmmm, when were they discussing different pole materials?
Think the question is whether the same material (carbon in this case) would be stronger if thicker.
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There's different grades of carbon and different construction methods. Some manufacturers use a composite mix and so use less carbon. Others put a special weave on the outside to make them look pretty. As far as I know Gardiners are the only company offering clampable high modulus extendable poles at the moment. Facelift as far as I can tell compete against the SLX and not the Xtreme.
As I read it Alex was explaiining how the Xtreme worked and why the walls were thin rather than thick (like some on here).
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Thanks for explaining that Dave. Your comment about fiberglass threw me.
Nightmare, how do we know what materials that people say they use?
I was looking at the new pole from Unger which they say is high modulus, but you say that alex is the only one that does hi modulus clamp-able poles?
Just want to get the right pole, but it seems a minefield.