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Title: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: JackieW on March 01, 2013, 10:31:53 pm
We knew a window cleaner a couple years back who only did shops, no domestic. Does anyone here do that anymore?

From what I read on this forum, I get the impression that most cleaners seem to complain about how very low the payments are, unless you have lots of shops in a high street, something that is diminishing.

Then others here say how wonderful they're doing cleaning 'all' the shops.

Personally I haven't got any.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Tomboler on March 01, 2013, 10:42:04 pm
I don't do many but lost one today - probably to some national cntracter  :-X
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: stuart mc on March 01, 2013, 10:49:45 pm
two guys in my town do nothing but shops, one is close to retiring though as is not bothered about losing a few to nationals, the other only does it part time now, my brother and dad before him were 100% commercial and actually shops were not high on their priority's but now my brother is doing domestic work he would have never done before
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: windiewasher on March 01, 2013, 10:59:24 pm
theres a little old bloke does loads round my way,charges not much and is terrible,smears and runs everywhere.soaps the windows with a mop.was asked to do one once and gave a price of a tenner its ok ernie does them for 2 quid.
everytime i see him he looks smaller.
he probably does 20 shops a day at 2 quid each.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Dean Taberner on March 01, 2013, 11:16:11 pm
You do get a bit of that with national window cleaning contracts.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 01, 2013, 11:52:29 pm
I don't do many but lost one today - probably to some national cntracter  :-X


Not a bad shop to be honest
More and more to come
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: steven842 on March 02, 2013, 05:01:10 am
I do 80% commercial and 20% domestic when it rains shops are great but tbh the shops are a pain in the hoop due to low price I sub contract asdas tescos etc and for what you get for a tesco I could make in 2 hrs doing a decent domestic run with two men
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 02, 2013, 12:05:00 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: glen parva on March 02, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
all we do is shops and commerical
no domestics lots of messers
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: keyser soze on March 02, 2013, 02:26:31 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.



are you aiming that dig at gav  ;D
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Dean Taberner on March 02, 2013, 02:31:36 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.

We used to have a team of 2 guys doing national contractor shop work 5 days a week.

The company that we were doing them for were actually paying decent money at the time, all good things come to an end though.

Some of the prices that I'm hearing now are absolutely disgusting and impossible to make pay. We were doing around £2k a week worth of just shops. To do that now you'd have to be doing about 400 shops a week.

Dean.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 02, 2013, 02:58:57 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.


When u pay my mortgage then comment
Till then stop ya moaning
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: p1w1 on March 02, 2013, 03:33:07 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.
i would say the latter
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: JackieW on March 02, 2013, 03:33:33 pm

''Some of the prices that I'm hearing now are absolutely disgusting and impossible to make pay. We were doing around £2k a week worth of just shops. To do that now you'd have to be doing about 400 shops a week.''

''Not a bad shop to be honest
More and more to come''

This is where I'm getting confused.

Is it really a case that some make no money from shops whilst  others make a good living?


Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: gavinb on March 02, 2013, 05:01:12 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.

+1  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Mike_G on March 02, 2013, 05:21:27 pm
Don't know who are the worse.....
The national w&nkers for driving the prices down.....or the silly tossers taking on the work at such low prices.

Not to mention the shops that think they will get a decent job done for that price. Some do, most dont
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 02, 2013, 07:39:37 pm

When u pay my mortgage then comment
Till then stop ya moaning

Truth hurts eh!
Grow up mate.
The nationals are the curse of the window cleaning trade for driving down prices and creaming off the top.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 02, 2013, 07:42:59 pm

are you aiming that dig at gav  ;D

Looks like HE thinks I did  ;D.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 02, 2013, 07:47:41 pm

Is it really a case that some make no money from shops whilst  others make a good living?




No mate.... most make no money from shops, whilst the nationals make a good living off everyone else  ;).
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Frankybadboy on March 02, 2013, 08:01:59 pm

Is it really a case that some make no money from shops whilst  others make a good living?




No mate.... most make no money from shops, whilst the nationals make a good living off everyone else  ;).
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 02, 2013, 08:20:35 pm
Don't worry guys some of you
Will be getting told rather shortly
That your services will no
Longer be needed on a few more
Stores , best buying ya Kleenex now!!!
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 02, 2013, 08:31:24 pm
Don't worry guys some of you
Will be getting told rather shortly
That your services will no
Longer be needed on a few more
Stores , best buying ya Kleenex now!!!

You better make the most of it then and pay your mortgage off  :P.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: mark dew on March 02, 2013, 08:38:40 pm
lammy, i used to have an affinity with you being an old scooterboy and all that, but from unfortunately reading most of your 6k+ posts you have a shi te attitude.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 02, 2013, 08:58:05 pm
Whys that then ???
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Deangsi on March 02, 2013, 09:24:31 pm
I hate commercial ... I stick to houses only iv had a few shops garages, care home, etc and there crap so work on I hate manual cleaning I find houses much better for the way I work
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: mark dew on March 03, 2013, 04:49:18 am
Whys that then ???

After a break and coming back ive got to admit that i disagree with my remark. I'm full of cold, laid up and grouchy. And i struggle to see humour in some of its guises.
Sorry  :)
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 12:22:02 pm
Whys that then ???

After a break and coming back ive got to admit that i disagree with my remark. I'm full of cold, laid up and grouchy. And i struggle to see humour in some of its guises.
Sorry  :)

Hi mark
Humour is mostly what I'm about
Be it dry !!!the sorry wasn't needed imo
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Dean Taberner on March 03, 2013, 12:29:01 pm
Whys that then ???

After a break and coming back ive got to admit that i disagree with my remark. I'm full of cold, laid up and grouchy. And i struggle to see humour in some of its guises.
Sorry  :)

Hi mark
Humour is mostly what I'm about
Be it dry !!!the sorry wasn't needed imo

Started yet Gav?
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Deangsi on March 03, 2013, 12:30:15 pm
Whys that then ???

After a break and coming back ive got to admit that i disagree with my remark. I'm full of cold, laid up and grouchy. And i struggle to see humour in some of its guises.
Sorry  :)

Hi mark
Humour is mostly what I'm about
Be it dry !!!the sorry wasn't needed imo



awwww :'( lol
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: wfp master on March 03, 2013, 01:27:05 pm
lammy, i used to have an affinity with you being an old scooterboy and all that, but from unfortunately reading most of your 6k+ posts you have a shi te attitude.

you just noticed. :D
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 02:15:16 pm
lammy, i used to have an affinity with you being an old scooterboy and all that, but from unfortunately reading most of your 6k+ posts you have a shi te attitude.

you just noticed. :D



Sfwc are u very insecure????
You see that's ow u come across
Abit insecure in yourself like
Think you could of suffered a bit
Of bullying when you was younger
Don't worry lad you'll grow outa in
Bet you've even got a 'tashe too
Shave that top lip sun beam
Man up and over come your insecurity s
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Dean Taberner on March 03, 2013, 02:48:19 pm
Do you reckon that you can get to 7000 posts today Gav?
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 04:00:29 pm
Yup lol ;D
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: luther1 on March 03, 2013, 06:26:37 pm
Gav camm is taking over a high street near you soon.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 06:41:16 pm
Gav camm is taking over a high street near you soon.


Jamie told u keep it hush hush
Least till yr tattoo is dry la  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: C o z y on March 03, 2013, 07:05:32 pm
What's the big deal with shops? If Mrs Brown and Mrs Smith get cleaned every month or 8 weeks etc, they could only take about 30 minutes to clean and pay 40 quid between them. Most shop fronts may take 10 minutes and only pay 4 quid. If you haven't got lots of compact shop work, why chase after them?

In my time in this game, I've found the majority of shops aren't too bothered about standards, and not only that, most will drop you for a new guy for less than a quid. We do a few shops locally, because they are on route to other work. A petrol station is on route too, and we charge less than 7 quid on that. Takes about 10 minutes, but as I said, it's on route to domestic work.

If you look at the time taken and the end earnings after costs, you need to think if it's worth chasing crap work like shops.

Gav is a good lad, and has put a lot of faith into that sort of work. Good for him, Dave Morris makes it pay too, but it's not all milk and honey IMO. I'll stick to mostly domestics. I leave the shop stuff to those who know how to make it worth doing.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: wfp master on March 03, 2013, 08:36:37 pm
lammy, i used to have an affinity with you being an old scooterboy and all that, but from unfortunately reading most of your 6k+ posts you have a shi te attitude.

you just noticed. :D



Sfwc are u very insecure????
You see that's ow u come across
Abit insecure in yourself like
Think you could of suffered a bit
Of bullying when you was younger
Don't worry lad you'll grow outa in
Bet you've even got a 'tashe too
Shave that top lip sun beam
Man up and over come your insecurity s
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: wfp master on March 03, 2013, 08:41:59 pm
Gav camm is taking over a high street near you soon.
for £2 a shop. :)
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 08:45:49 pm
Gav camm is taking over a high street near you soon.
for £2 a shop. :)



Lad nothing I clean is £2
How's yr 'tashe ???
Insecurity man ???
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: wfp master on March 03, 2013, 09:16:11 pm
Gav camm is taking over a high street near you soon.
for £2 a shop. :)



Lad nothing I clean is £2
How's yr 'tashe ???
Insecurity man ???
a bite every time.your insecure relying on some one else to sub work off. When you grow up you might be able to get your on work. Ok son now away &  ;)play with your scooter sewing machine.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 09:33:57 pm
Lol I rely on my self lad
Sewing machine
The words you were looking for
Italian style icon
By any chance ???
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 09:36:06 pm
And who said I just do shops?????
I clean windows on everything fr
A maisonette to a mansion
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Mike_G on March 03, 2013, 10:01:25 pm
Don't worry guys some of you
Will be getting told rather shortly
That your services will no
Longer be needed on a few more
Stores , best buying ya Kleenex now!!!

Personally I dont see why you cant just say the shops you are getting. I know some stores dont like it to be common knowledge but I cant see why. Some people might rely on these stores and whilst there is nothing they can do to stop the changeover saying things like get the kleenex out is a bit of a p take, some poor bugger my be losing their livelyhood.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 03, 2013, 10:10:42 pm
Mike who was bothered when
Aqua- clean / full circle didnt pay me???
And went belly up ????
Who provided for my kids ???
Yeah that's right m8 ME
So after that am I bothered,?no m8
Not now can't say about the stores
Tbh as iv being asked not to say
Those in the know will know
Or will shortly those who don't need to know
Will know when the stores tell them
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Tomboler on March 03, 2013, 10:21:27 pm
waiting to see if I get another 'services no longer required' letter in the post tomozer, then I shall come to ze conclusion about the name of a chain of stores that has turned their back on the sole trader in favour of those infidel NATIONAL CONTRACTOR devils,
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 04, 2013, 12:23:03 am
Hi Chris

Its Mong Morris to you :-)

We make shops pay as typically, my boys will start at 6.00am  inside a dept store for 2 hours, then will head out and do about  a dozen up to about 30 shops locally in the town they are in, then venture out 2 an office block or apartments on the way back, if they get back early they will jump on houses until they want to finish, if they want to work late, they would jump a school etc at 3.30 and work until about 6.00pm.

our work is 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, no matter what the weather, my guys don't stop, but as you say its not without its problems, logistically it is a nightmare, and I am stressed out 24/7, I can handle that at the moment as it is part of a masterplan, I just hope I can to where I am going without killing myself.

 My employees are running a book to see who is going to give me a heart attack first.
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: oldman on March 04, 2013, 04:22:48 am
Mike who was bothered when
Aqua- clean / full circle didnt pay me???
And went belly up ????


 ???.
Just to let you know Gav, Aquaclean are still going.....'in-all but name'.
They are now under the arm of Fullcircle and have been for last few months.....
Same window cleaners (van's sign-written Fullcircle) , same office staff and operating from the same office premises in Cardiff  ;).

Go get-um kid.....they're a bunch of sneaky w@nkers. 
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Mike_G on March 04, 2013, 05:36:10 am
Mike who was bothered when
Aqua- clean / full circle didnt pay me???
And went belly up ????
Who provided for my kids ???
Yeah that's right m8 ME
So after that am I bothered,?no m8
Not now can't say about the stores
Tbh as iv being asked not to say
Those in the know will know
Or will shortly those who don't need to know
Will know when the stores tell them

Two wrongs dont make a right.

For whats its worth the same thing happened to me a couple of times. And I appreciate you cant say what stores until the present guys get told officially. No chance of getting anything from the Aquaclean lot now I suppose? Which stores did you do for them buggers?
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: ascjim on March 04, 2013, 02:59:00 pm
The company i used to work for just did shops and commercial work. They had a few BIG domestic houses only. 4 vans 2 in each, was good fun lol
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: jarvy on March 04, 2013, 04:16:47 pm
Mike who was bothered when
Aqua- clean / full circle didnt pay me???
And went belly up ????
Who provided for my kids ???
Yeah that's right m8 ME
So after that am I bothered,?no m8
Not now can't say about the stores
Tbh as iv being asked not to say
Those in the know will know
Or will shortly those who don't need to know
Will know when the stores tell them
ODFO,im sure they didnt come on here with the lol lol lol my bank balance is getting bigger and all the rest when somebody loses work
What about their kids????????  >:(
Title: Re: Does anybody just do shops?
Post by: Mike_G on March 04, 2013, 05:21:56 pm
Gav, I have been ripped off a couple of times by these companies so I know its not nice. I'm sure people must of had some sympathy for you, not that it helps, if they didn't then sod them, but I would hope not many, if any took much joy out of some company getting you, or anyone else for that matter myself included, to do a fair job and not get paid when they had collected the dosh and not passed on your share. Like I said in earlier post its happened to me and its bloody (can I say that?) annoying to say the least.