Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil @ Extreme Clean on March 01, 2013, 10:07:01 pm
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Hi all well i have done what i never thought i would lol and added HWE to my Dry fusion setup from reading a lot of post i think good agitation is more important than having inline heater ??? or is it not ???. My question is should my next purchase be an Inline Heater i.e the Magma etc or a decent enough Aggitation Machine as reading alot of people use tap hot or even cold so is an inline even needed ???
Thanks Phil.
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Agitation. Not that I think heat is unimportant, but agitation is moreso.
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I think the same Ash allthough it doe's look good when you see steam coming from the end of wand. I Think i will get a Seb duo or even jst a pile brush i need a work out lol that would be ok for most domestics wouldn't it ?
Cheers Phil.
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I would use a pile brush over a sebo
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It depends on the cleaning solutions you use.
Detergents are usually used in the tank and need hot water. One step cleaning.
Microsplitter types are used as a prespray and need agitation then a plain or acid rinse, this can be hot or with me more often cold.
So you have to decide which route you wish to go down.
A lot of people use a Sebo Duo for agitation but find it a little lightweight- a heavier CRB will pay dividends in time saved.
A pile brush is fine but is hard work, by the time you have done a 4 bed house you will know it.
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It depends on the cleaning solutions you use.
Detergents are usually used in the tank and need hot water. One step cleaning.
Microsplitter types are used as a prespray and need agitation then a plain or acid rinse, this can be hot or with me more often cold.
So you have to decide which route you wish to go down.
A lot of people use a Sebo Duo for agitation but find it a little lightweight- a heavier CRB will pay dividends in time saved.
A pile brush is fine but is hard work, by the time you have done a 4 bed house you will know it.
What he said.
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A pile brush is fine but is hard work, by the time you have done a 4 bed house you will know it.
Which can only be a good thing lol got a bit of a beer belly i need to shake off ;D
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were best place to buy pile brush and anyone got a cheap upholstery tool going and i mean cheap not a sapphire lol.
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I have the Magma and a Host for agitation both are important but the agitation is more omportant
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Buy a pile brush for now, agitation machines have only appeared in the last couple of years we done quite well without them. Spend the money on a heater. Don't forget only about 30% of the carpet is traffic area.
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http://www.prochem.co.uk/carpet_&_upholstery_cleaning%20brushes.htm (http://www.prochem.co.uk/carpet_&_upholstery_cleaning%20brushes.htm) Get the Grandi Groomer and carpet pile brush both 18". I got the Groomer for a bargain price from Amtech but can't find them on their site, probably worth a call.
I'd agree with everyone else agitation, I use tap hot water and get on fine.
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If I had to choose I would go for aggatation, I'm a Big believer in making sure the prespray gets to the dirt, a good scrubbing is needed to get the pre-spray worked into the pile so it has a chance to attack the dirt. If its just sat on he top of the pile it can't do its job
Plus we can tell the client we not only clean the carpet but revitalise the flattened pile.
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You need a pile brush for finishing anyway.
Why not use your DF to agitate, rinse with tap hot water then set pile with pile brush.
You can even dry it off. There are products available to offer the same stain protection as your DF system that can be used through an extractor.
You could even heat cure them (if that's important)
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I was thinking the same as Jamie.
You have already have agitation with your DF machine. Just buy a brush if you dont already have one.
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got the Brush for my DF but didn't really want to be using my DF on Domestics were i'm not earning enough i may as well do the full clean like i have been doing with the DF i want something quick out of the van iv'e ordered a pile brush now which i'l use and the DF only if really bad.
Cheers Phil.
P.S still need a cheap upholstery tool to get me by ANYONE ????
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got the Brush for my DF but didn't really want to be using my DF on Domestics were i'm not earning enough i may as well do the full clean like i have been doing with the DF i want something quick out of the van iv'e ordered a pile brush now which i'l use and the DF only if really bad.
Cheers Phil.
P.S still need a cheap upholstery tool to get me by ANYONE ????
Phil,
You're missing a trick, use your DF machine for agitation, don't think of the hassle, think of how it looks to the customer, forget the fact that it is a DF machine, that's irrelevant, but sell your service as a 'deeper clean,' something unique to you and stand out from the crowd, not in it!
Simon
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got the Brush for my DF but didn't really want to be using my DF on Domestics were i'm not earning enough i may as well do the full clean like i have been doing with the DF i want something quick out of the van iv'e ordered a pile brush now which i'l use and the DF only if really bad.
Cheers Phil.
P.S still need a cheap upholstery tool to get me by ANYONE ????
Phil,
You're missing a trick, use your DF machine for agitation, don't think of the hassle, think of how it looks to the customer, forget the fact that it is a DF machine, that's irrelevant, but sell your service as a 'deeper clean,' something unique to you and stand out from the crowd, not in it!
Simon
Deeper Clean, I like that idea! 8)
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Phil, the agitation will be quicker (and far more effective) if you use your DF machine.
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Hi Phil
I have a carpet brush, a grandi-groomer and a prochem upholstry tool with hose which I would be happy to sell. I brought all of them second hand and havent used them so they are just taking up room on the van.
If you want more info then let me know your email address and I will send you some photos.
Thanks
Greg
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Phil,
You're missing a trick, use your DF machine for agitation, don't think of the hassle, think of how it looks to the customer, forget the fact that it is a DF machine, that's irrelevant, but sell your service as a 'deeper clean,' something unique to you and stand out from the crowd, not in it!
Simon
Simon ...................... he had that with DF and LM.... now with HWE he is just one of thousands.. :P
;D
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Hector,
No he is not.
He now has the opportunity to set himself apart from ALL of his competitors, LM or HWSE, by offering a higher specification clean that could encompass both systems, dry vac, pre-spray, agitate, HWSE followed by dry padding. This isn't about technicalities, it's about marketing and producing results that have your customer believe that they can't get what you do anywhere else, do that and you'll have customers coming back to you.
simon
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Hector, why don't you get rid of your rotary and then you would be even more unique. ;D (modifying absolutes)
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A pile brush is fine but is hard work, by the time you have done a 4 bed house you will know it.
Which can only be a good thing lol got a bit of a beer belly i need to shake off ;D
Used one for 20 years and still overweight so forget that theory. ;D
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Hector, why don't you get rid of your rotary and then you would be even more unique. ;D (modifying absolutes)
working on it mate.... but the more I want to retire from the cleaning, the more people want me to do it... I keep getting calls for work from existing customers and their friends...
I am in the middle of setting up workshops to teach people self hypnosis, and just can't get the time to finish writing the course..
;D
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Hi Phil
I have a carpet brush, a grandi-groomer and a prochem upholstry tool with hose which I would be happy to sell. I brought all of them second hand and havent used them so they are just taking up room on the van.
If you want more info then let me know your email address and I will send you some photos.
Thanks
Greg
Hi greg ordered a brush but still interested if the right price email me cleandry@hotmail.co.uk
thanks Phil.
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Not overly impressed on 1st attempt allthough other rooms not as bad came up well
Prevac, Prespray with Shockwave, Agitate with DF Brush, 20 Minute Dwell then Hot water rinse ???? maybe dry better ???
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Why's it all gone quiet ??????
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Why's it all gone quiet ??????
Sometimes its just the best result, whatever you do or try. Did you do a towel test?
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To see if any more dirt on towel ? i didn't just wanded then wanded again and again lol.
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I wouldn't be too hard on yourself mate, that carpet looks sh@gged.
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just cant help thinking if i'd of DF fully it would of looked better :) had these before and looked good after allthough like you say some just no hope :)
i mite go back tmoz and df it see what happens if it looks a lot better then i'm in a quandry ( whatever that means ;D ).
Phil.
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Hector, why don't you get rid of your rotary and then you would be even more unique. ;D (modifying absolutes)
working on it mate.... but the more I want to retire from the cleaning, the more people want me to do it... I keep getting calls for work from existing customers and their friends...
I am in the middle of setting up workshops to teach people self hypnosis, and just can't get the time to finish writing the course..
;D
That sounds excellent Hector. Think of all these people who could be benefiting from that NOW. Get on with it!
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Hector,
No he is not.
He now has the opportunity to set himself apart from ALL of his competitors, LM or HWSE, by offering a higher specification clean that could encompass both systems, dry vac, pre-spray, agitate, HWSE followed by dry padding. This isn't about technicalities, it's about marketing and producing results that have your customer believe that they can't get what you do anywhere else, do that and you'll have customers coming back to you.
simon
surely if he does all that it will take him a lot longer so he will have to charge more ?
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So what, he's got time on his hands anyway. The important thing is that he will be building a customer based on quality, people that will come back. And anyway, he should charge more for it.
Simon
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Phil, next time instead of the Dry Fusion Brush, try using a white floor polishing pad. These tend to work better on the surface area than a brush, you may be surprised with the result.