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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on February 21, 2013, 03:34:21 pm

Title: having a hr day today
Post by: richywilts on February 21, 2013, 03:34:21 pm
what training courses would you recommend for staff to take

bwca
pasma
ipaf
self rescue
ladder training
NVQ level 2

any others...............

cheers
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: PoleKing on February 21, 2013, 03:38:22 pm
BWCA
PASMA
IPAF
Self Rescue
Ladder Training
NVQ level 2


+common sense.

Watch the haters come rolling in for both camps
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: windiewasher on February 21, 2013, 03:48:52 pm
BWCA
PASMA
IPAF
Self Rescue
Ladder Training
NVQ level 2


+common sense.

Watch the haters come rolling in for both camps

+1
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: richywilts on February 21, 2013, 04:20:49 pm
had a few calls picked up a nice 200quid fascia and conny clean for tmoz

one of worst states of conservatory ive seen so hoping it will be good image for photographer

prob picked up 5 jobs so far but to be fair the area is swamped with cleaners but mainly trad cleaners
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: ascjim on February 21, 2013, 04:23:11 pm
ladder training
NVQ level 2
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: paul13 on February 21, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
what training courses would you recommend for staff to take

bwca
pasma
ipaf
self rescue
ladder training
NVQ level 2

any others...............




cheers

None keep them cleaning ;D
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: wfp master on February 21, 2013, 04:31:46 pm
SELF RESCUE i do that every saturday night on the way home from the pub. ive  had to rescue myself from bushes a few times.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Halfadaylee on February 21, 2013, 04:42:37 pm
SELF RESCUE i do that every saturday night on the way home from the pub. ive  had to rescue myself from bushes a few times.

Self rescue, must be a joke, right?  :-X
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: wfp master on February 21, 2013, 04:45:48 pm
SELF RESCUE i do that every saturday night on the way home from the pub. ive  had to rescue myself from bushes a few times.

Self rescue, must be a joke, right?  :-X
its no joke when your stuck in jaggy bushes.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Joseph Michael on February 21, 2013, 05:03:22 pm
Hi Richy

I went on the BWCA  Trad course, and it was fine for me as it got me a certificate, the membership and I picked up some tips as well. But I think it is more beneficial for Sole Traders or those who have or are looking to start their own business, especially when on the course you are told there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to earn £50-60 an hour.!

Joe
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: spongebob on February 21, 2013, 05:04:12 pm
For your staff... drug misuse and rehab course from what you post on here about them.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: richywilts on February 21, 2013, 05:05:59 pm
i know the self rescue sounds a bit far fetched but looking at going more into builders cleans over next couple of years using cherry pickers etc so it is handy to have

Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: DG Cleaning on February 21, 2013, 05:20:24 pm
How's a self rescue course going to get you out of a cherry picker?
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: wfp master on February 21, 2013, 05:37:19 pm
How's a self rescue course going to get you out of a cherry picker?
para shoot out of it or bungee jump.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Total shine cleaning services on February 21, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
I think if your employing then any kind of course that would show you equipped your workers with the apropriate skills to carry out their job safely, I think the qcf and some kind of manual handling would suffice.
I think it's all about protecting yourself from future litigation these days.

Graham
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: trevor perry on February 21, 2013, 06:23:57 pm
depends what sort of work they are doing, if they are going to use cherrypickers or scaffolding towers then they must go on IPAF and PASMA courses as for the others that is more a personal choice and whether you feel capable of doing the other training to a reasonable standard in house, if you intend to use various chemicals then maybe a safe use and handling of chemical course as this is only touched upon on the NVQ
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on February 21, 2013, 06:44:47 pm
try ian 101 s course  ;)
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: LBWCS on February 21, 2013, 06:50:35 pm
would n't go into builders cleans they are one big headache.  If you need ipaf or pasma, get them trained when they need it, otherwise they might have a nice qualification and be able to use it for someone else if they decide(or get forced) to change jobs
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Andrew Willis on February 21, 2013, 07:07:05 pm
BWCA
PASMA
IPAF
Self Rescue
Ladder Training
NVQ level 2


+common sense.

Watch the haters come rolling in for both camps

Hi Darren

I am really interested in your training certification you have put on your website

Covering

Ladders
Mobile elevated work platforms
Cradles

Both certificates dated 1st March 2012

RE Safety aide Limited

I would initially question their experience in cradle training.

Suspended access companies carry out cradle training; I would really expect them to be members of SAEMA. I have done you a link to SAEMA

I also cant see the modules you completed as training modules on their website?

On that basis and I would question that all three would be completed on the same day, unless this is a very basic working at height awareness course. Either way this certification would be misleading.

If you are using these as grounds to operate access equipment I would recommend you contact IPAF and ask their views, also contact SAEMA who are the association for suspended access.    

http://www.saema.org/about-saema/
http://www.ipaf.org
http://www.saema.org/saema-members/list/

Regards


Andy

http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/LanesWorkingatheightcertificate.pdf
http://www.laneswindowcleaning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Lanessafeuseofladderscertificate.pdf

Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Andrew Willis on February 21, 2013, 07:11:29 pm
ladder training
NVQ level 2


Excellent choice  ;)
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: PoleKing on February 21, 2013, 09:36:09 pm
Thanks Andy.
I'll have a look into it.

Regards, Darren
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: PoleKing on February 21, 2013, 09:59:18 pm
What are the benefits of Saema?
I've contacted Safety Aide for clarification on a couple of points.

I used to lecture in construction, (I keep meaning to dig out some of that H&S stuff) and taught ladder safety, working at height and a few other (perhaps) relevant bits. Now thinking that I might include stuff like that too.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Andrew Willis on February 22, 2013, 05:54:04 am
What are the benefits of Saema?
I've contacted Safety Aide for clarification on a couple of points.

I used to lecture in construction, (I keep meaning to dig out some of that H&S stuff) and taught ladder safety, working at height and a few other (perhaps) relevant bits. Now thinking that I might include stuff like that too.

SAEMA as an association should set certain standards amongst the members.
Training would be part of SAEMA's remit.
There is a lot of improvements needed in cradle training and I would like to see it move towards the IPAF route.

I would like to send your CERTS to some of my contacts and let them investigate if thats OK with you?
The quicker we get training providers out of the industry that are not qualified and or experienced the better.

There is however always room for good companies.

Regards


Andy

Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: PoleKing on February 22, 2013, 07:48:03 am
Thanks. I get that, just that there's only 25 companies registered to them from what I can see-I assume they'll grow.
And who is to say one company knows more than another? A person could have more experience than another-therefore be better at a task-but not have the piece of paper to prove it.
Unfortunately the world is becoming full of box ticking exercises.
When I was teaching a few lads could tick every box and get the NVQ3 in C&J under my teaching but I wouldn't want them working for me. A few, on paper, wouldn't make the cut, on paper, but I'd choose them every time.
I did look into your course as I think the paperwork would be beneficial but I was told I would have to pay for it myself and other things have to take president at the minute.
Safety Aide are a good company. It's run by a mate of mine. They do more fire risk than anything else but know what they're doing.
Prefer if you didn't while I await answers tbh.
Title: Re: having a hr day today
Post by: Moderator David@stives on February 22, 2013, 07:50:05 am
Definately self rescue for YOU