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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: *Hector* on February 17, 2013, 01:41:58 pm
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due to thread hi-jacking... I thought I would start this thread so that people can voice their opinions about TACCA......
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Considering it was started with the vision of just one man backed up by grit determination whilst the idea was almost scoffed at by many, yet Derek has come through for us all and that is massively to his credit.
Simon
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Simon is spot on ....... how many times have I heard someone bemoan the other association with the words "If I was in charge, I would do ....."
Derek has started a ball rolling, the size & momentum that it gathers, is now down to the number of members. The accrued knowledge and determination that can be combined, should make for a formidible recognised & accepted association for us all to benefit from. I just wonder how many will sit back and watch, only to jump on the band wagon once it is rolling along nicely ........ we all know liklely candidates ::)roll
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Yep... i agree with Chris
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This will be my third Tacca event, each time it seems to double in attendance,
Met some really good lads and shared different ideas, the trainers like Dave L, Mossy & Dave Ingram have a vast knowledge and teach in a way that is easy to understand,
Looking forward to seeing Jamie from CSUK, cleaning different types of flooring suits the business model I have.
What suprises me is how far some guys travel, the scots come in droves from over the border, along with a few from Ireland. Spending their hard earned on travel and accomodation, yet they still find what they learn invaluable.
It is always a laid back type of day, you watch whichever demos you choose, and at the end of the day, there is always a few beers drunk, have heard Billy is getting a big round in 8)
I would reccomend it to all, however there will always be an odd person whom it dosnt suit .
Andrew
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I love TACCA, its a place where little blowers are accepted!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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I love TACCA, its a place where little blowers are accepted!!!!
;D ;D ;D
No Billy, not accepted...tolerated in a very small kind of a way ;D
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So, it sounds that not only 'TACCA' are picky with who they 'let in', they're also appear to be picky who can demonstrate/show off their products at the show ???
I suppose if there had been a Committee decision, LTT would have been allowed to demonstrate and show their new products off. But dictatorships rule I suppose when there's no democracy! :)
In response to the above my understanding is this......
Derek doesn't want the day to be suppliers pushing their products but more about professionals sharing their knowledge.
This is why I am billed as representing CSUK our commercial maintenance division and not our retail identity.
I will also be bringing every system I have and can get hold of. Not just those that I supply. By the time of the event I will have spoken to the suppliers of all systems and products in the UK. Those that can't/supply them for the day I will source from operators I know that already have them so that they can all be put to use side by side ,if desired, in a "live" situation.
The event could easily have become a mini trade show similar to the NCCA Carpet Cleaners Carnival potentially generating good income for TACCA through the sale of "pitches" but as previously mentioned this isn't what the event is to be about.
No offence to the NCCA intended here. The CCC is also a great event and Derek is right be careful to offer something different.
Some may be quick to dismiss it as pub car park training. I know I learnt a few valuable life lessons from time spent in that environment.
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Well hats off to Derek for what he has achieve so far. As Simon says its a good job he didnt take his advice in 2009 and went ahead with the idea anyway. ;D
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should make for a formidible recognised & accepted association for us all to benefit from.
It wont until it's run properly, as an Association with an elected Committee from the member's.
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Well, if what I learned AND went on to EARN since the TACCA training day in a 'lowly community centre' last year is anything to go by you don't need a fancy venue. The advice Dave Ingram and Jamie Pearson shared was invaluable.
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So, it sounds that not only 'TACCA' are picky with who they 'let in', they're also appear to be picky who can demonstrate/show off their products at the show ???
I suppose if there had been a Committee decision, LTT would have been allowed to demonstrate and show their new products off. But dictatorships rule I suppose when there's no democracy! :)
In response to the above my understanding is this......
Derek doesn't want the day to be suppliers pushing their products but more about professionals sharing their knowledge.
This is why I am billed as representing CSUK our commercial maintenance division and not our retail identity.
I will also be bringing every system I have and can get hold of. Not just those that I supply. By the time of the event I will have spoken to the suppliers of all systems and products in the UK. Those that can't/supply them for the day I will source from operators I know that already have them so that they can all be put to use side by side ,if desired, in a "live" situation.
The event could easily have become a mini trade show similar to the NCCA Carpet Cleaners Carnival potentially generating good income for TACCA through the sale of "pitches" but as previously mentioned this isn't what the event is to be about.
No offence to the NCCA intended here. The CCC is also a great event and Derek is right be careful to offer something different.
Some may be quick to dismiss it as pub car park training. I know I learnt a few valuable life lessons from time spent in that environment.
Is it really worth you bringing every system you can get hold of when there will probably be only about 40 odd cleaner's attending (deducted no shows/illnesses), that's a trickle of 3 cleaner's per hour.
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should make for a formidible recognised & accepted association for us all to benefit from.
It wont until it's run properly, as an Association with an elected Committee from the member's.
but at the moment it is an organisation from the effort of 1 man, and now increased to a few...
How many members have the time or inclination to put themselves forward to the vote, and run their own business at the same time.
Whilst the buggers wont have me in ... I think anything that shares knowledge and information and helps others is a good thing...
On a down side...... it tolerates little blowers :P :P
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should make for a formidible recognised & accepted association for us all to benefit from.
It wont until it's run properly, as an Association with an elected Committee from the member's.
but at the moment it is an organisation from the effort of 1 man, and now increased to a few...
How many members have the time or inclination to put themselves forward to the vote, and run their own business at the same time.
Whilst the buggers wont have me in ... I think anything that shares knowledge and information and helps others is a good thing...
On a down side...... it tolerates little blowers :P :P
Up side though, it won't tolerate muck spreaders! ;D ;D ;D
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who needs an to be a member of an institution :P :P :P
;D
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Contrary to many beliefs, I actually like the idea of TACCA. However, I'm waiting (and other's are too) the day when it is set up properly as a respected managed National Association and not run from a carpet cleaner's back room. At the moment we see TACCA as a website run by an individual and that's it.
Why is the founder not forming a constituted Committee?
Is it because he doesn't like the idea of loosing control over it?
Is it because he will not receive revenue from it once he starts charging cleaner's to belong or advertise with TACCA if an Association is formed?
If TACCA were to set up properly I know a lot more carpet cleaner's would give it credit and support it, but at the moment many see it as a small amount of 'mates' who meet on a forum now and again!
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Why does it have to have a label? Even if it is 'a group of mates who like to meet every now and then'. That 'group of mates' all have a common interest in furthering their knowledge and their business, and are willing to invest to do so.
The best thing I learnt was from Karl 'Bear Grylls' Fox, about sleeping rough after getting lost while inebriated. He found a nice warm car, and didn't even have to drink his own p*ss.
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Contrary to many beliefs, I actually like the idea of TACCA. However, I'm waiting (and other's are too) the day when it is set up properly as a respected managed National Association and not run from a carpet cleaner's back room. At the moment we see TACCA as a website run by an individual and that's it.
Why is the founder not forming a constituted Committee?
Is it because he doesn't like the idea of loosing control over it?
Is it because he will not receive revenue from it once he starts charging cleaner's to belong or advertise with TACCA if an Association is formed?
If TACCA were to set up properly I know a lot more carpet cleaner's would give it credit and support it, but at the moment many see it as a small amount of 'mates' who meet on a forum now and again!
It's his thing, he can do what he likes, if you don't like it don't join. You could set one up and run it the way you want it to.
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Why does it have to have a label? Even if it is 'a group of mates who like to meet every now and then'. That 'group of mates' all have a common interest in furthering their knowledge and their business, and are willing to invest to do so.
The best thing I learnt was from Karl 'Bear Grylls' Fox, about sleeping rough after getting lost while inebriated. He found a nice warm car, and didn't even have to drink his own p*ss.
;D ;D ;D
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What is very alarming (looking back at past threads about TACCA) when the mention of forming a constituted Committee arises the founder appears to be silent on this issue??
It's name is 'The Approved Carpet Cleaner's Association' and it is my understanding that every registered Association must have an elected constituted Committee, so either TACCA is at the moment un-registered or it's breaking the rules which are there to protect member's and consumer's :o
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as it states this event is open to everybody, not just memebers, buy a ticket and come along to voice your opions
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I've heard Karl has changed his name to Richard The Third,
as is usually found lifeless in a car park ;D
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as it states this event is open to everybody, not just memebers, buy a ticket and come along to voice your opions
It's not about the event which I think is a good idea, it's about the 'set up' of the Association. However, as someone has pointed "it's his Association so he can run it how he wants".
An Association, and in particular a potential National Association, should be democratic and constituted, managed fairly and efficiently for it's member's and above all be transparent in all its activities, whether financial or otherwise.
Are we seeing total transparency with TACCA now?
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Hi Guys
The trouble with this industry is that some prefer to knock rather than make any effort.
We had the same thing with the CLEAN association which some critisicised without really knowing anything about it, mainly because they preceived themselves as on the outside.
I wish Derek well he has certainly made great strides.
Cheers
Doug
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A few years ago I started the Portable Owners & Operators Federation but nobody joined. :'(
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A few years ago I started the Portable Owners & Operators Federation but nobody joined. :'(
Now, what a good idea!!
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as it states this event is open to everybody, not just memebers, buy a ticket and come along to voice your opions
It's not about the event which I think is a good idea, it's about the 'set up' of the Association. However, as someone has pointed "it's his Association so he can run it how he wants".
An Association, and in particular a potential National Association, should be democratic and constituted, managed fairly and efficiently for it's member's and above all be transparent in all its activities, whether financial or otherwise.
Are we seeing total transparency with TACCA now?
Andrew,
If you don't like how TACCA is set up and run then join up and change it from within, that way you won't look like a heckler
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derek has said on a number of occasions that his intention is to set it up and get it started then he will leave it to others to help run it.
now in my opinion if the man has used his own resources and time to form tacca then its up to him to say when he thinks the time is right to pass on the baton to others
as stated earlier the event is open to everyone so why not come along and voice your opinion/worries to derek in person its much better than trying to undermine him on this forum.
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as it states this event is open to everybody, not just memebers, buy a ticket and come along to voice your opions
It's not about the event which I think is a good idea, it's about the 'set up' of the Association. However, as someone has pointed "it's his Association so he can run it how he wants".
An Association, and in particular a potential National Association, should be democratic and constituted, managed fairly and efficiently for it's member's and above all be transparent in all its activities, whether financial or otherwise.
Are we seeing total transparency with TACCA now?
Andrew,
If you don't like how TACCA is set up and run then join up and change it from within, that way you won't look like a heckler
And how does one change things from within if there is no constitution in place to make 'lawful' changes?
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its much better than trying to undermine him on this forum.
How am I undermining the founder on here? He has access to this forum therefore he can make/defend his views publicly. Keeping silent on this issue can only damage TACCA's long term reputation as a credible future mainstream 'player'!
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Derek is doing a great job and we are all happy with the way it's run and the events that have been put on . We don't need to elect a leader because if people where not pleased with things they would leave .look at the government Andrew hundreds of thousands voted last election and not one person got what they voted for . ;) ;) del
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andrew the first thing you do is join tacca, it costs nothing so you have nothing to lose. then you come along to one of the events and actually meet derek then you can form an opinion about him and what he is trying to do.
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Derek is doing a great job and we are all happy with the way it's run and the events that have been put on . We don't need to elect a leader because if people where not pleased with things they would leave .look at the government Andrew hundreds of thousands voted last election and not one person got what they voted for . ;) ;) del
That's what was said in the 1930's when Hitler was Leader of his party and look where that ended up? ::)roll
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Hah! Godwin's Law - first mention of Hitler!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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andrew the first thing you do is join tacca, it costs nothing so you have nothing to lose. then you come along to one of the events and actually meet derek then you can form an opinion about him and what he is trying to do.
Regardless of what or which events he is organising, his main priority should be to form an elected Committee, have a constitution which has been scrutinised and passed by member's, have financial accountability and a plan for TACCA which has been approved by the Committee on behalf of its member's.
More fool anyone who pays TACCA any subscription without safe guards in place, whether you have a high regard for the founder or not!
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But where carpet cleaners I don't think Derek like the new tash westgermany is after world domination or is he lol ;) del
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What subscriptions ??
As far as I know there has been no talk of subscriptions so far...
I am sure that when the time comes for this, there will be a committee in place to vote run the association...
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But where carpet cleaners I don't think Derek like the new tash westgermany is after world domination or is he lol ;) del
No that is Simon Del ... ;D ;D
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The trouble is that the majority are happy with the scenario and the minority aren't if that isn't a clear enough message!
Andrew go and make your own association if you aren't happy.
Shaun
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Dereks done an impressive job so far and must have put in a lot of hard work.
Now it needs to move forward to its original plan which was charging and national advertising to bring in work for its members. When it starts charging some of the workload can be shifted off Derek.
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I think it is far too early to make any sort of a judgement at this time, as no money is involved. When you have to start paying dues like the NCCA then it becomes more important, you have to justify spending your hard earned money.
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Well I will be going to the TACCA day I'm looking forward to meeting the lads a few beers a curry and learn a few new things. It's you that will miss out Andrew and for no real reason .
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Derek has spent a small fortune just getting the website built and also put his own business at risk by devoting huge amounts of his time in setting up TACCA.
He doesn't need to come on here and defend himself or justify his actions.
It costs nothing to join TACCA so there is nothing to complain about.
As far as setting up an official association is concerned with elected officials, admin costs and general meetings etc etc, there is a time and a place for that and I'm sure Derek is in no rush to do that just yet.
At the moment TACCA is a group of like-minded individuals looking to learn, network and improve. There is no work offered and no work promised.
What is the problem ??
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Dereks done an impressive job so far and must have put in a lot of hard work.
Now it needs to move forward to its original plan which was charging and national advertising to bring in work for its members. When it starts charging some of the workload can be shifted off Derek.
I agree with that. But shifting the work load from one man to a properly elected Committee is the way forward now. In any event potential sponsors and advertisers often ask to see main elected member's (President, Vice-President, Treasurer) and the constitution before entering any deals.
You wont see any National advertising under the current set up as it is too costly.
Look at the wider, bigger picture ahead not just what tomorrow is going to bring...
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Andrew,
who are you to push your wishes on to other people. People are not forced into joining TACCA and the people that have are happy with things the way they are. What right have you to dictate to anybody.
What are your sour grapes about?
Peter
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So, it sounds that not only 'TACCA' are picky with who they 'let in', they're also appear to be picky who can demonstrate/show off their products at the show ???
I suppose if there had been a Committee decision, LTT would have been allowed to demonstrate and show their new products off. But dictatorships rule I suppose when there's no democracy! :)
In response to the above my understanding is this......
Derek doesn't want the day to be suppliers pushing their products but more about professionals sharing their knowledge.
This is why I am billed as representing CSUK our commercial maintenance division and not our retail identity.
I will also be bringing every system I have and can get hold of. Not just those that I supply. By the time of the event I will have spoken to the suppliers of all systems and products in the UK. Those that can't/supply them for the day I will source from operators I know that already have them so that they can all be put to use side by side ,if desired, in a "live" situation.
The event could easily have become a mini trade show similar to the NCCA Carpet Cleaners Carnival potentially generating good income for TACCA through the sale of "pitches" but as previously mentioned this isn't what the event is to be about.
No offence to the NCCA intended here. The CCC is also a great event and Derek is right be careful to offer something different.
Some may be quick to dismiss it as pub car park training. I know I learnt a few valuable life lessons from time spent in that environment.
Is it really worth you bringing every system you can get hold of when there will probably be only about 40 odd cleaner's attending (deducted no shows/illnesses), that's a trickle of 3 cleaner's per hour.
At least if it is quiet I will have loads of toys to play with.
They could all be seen at the cleaning show in March on nice clean carpets if you want to view them as part of a bigger audience.
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Andrew,
who are you to push your wishes on to other people. People are not forced into joining TACCA and the people that have are happy with things the way they are. What right have you to dictate to anybody.
What are your sour grapes about?
Peter
Your first comment is exactly what the founder is doing.
Leave things as they are then , but remember this thread in 2 - 3 years time :)
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Someone get Andrews coat and call him a taxi. ;D
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When I type "carpet cleaner" my area into google Tacca appears on the first page
anyone following the link will get myself or another local cleaner. I have had 2 jobs already from same company, with ongoing work, cost to me zilch 8)
other than meets once a year with others.
I am sure Derek will be setting things out correctly, I see membership is growing rapidly, and is backed by most suppliers, if it leads to tv advertising and more public awareness then it is only good for the industry, the last thing the customer wants is someone coming in spraying whatever on there carpets and damng it up.
If I was worried about how it was being run I would put my views forward
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Derek is doing a great job and will continue at his pace as is his right as he is the only investor in this as with anything in life if you don't like it don't join it. I am looking forward to TACCA day should be a really good event
Jim
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Is there any 'legal' requirement to calling yourself an Association? I wasn't aware of any. So if you are going around in your van with TACCA on this side, is that against the law if you don't have the things Andrew is banging on about. ???
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Is there any 'legal' requirement to calling yourself an Association? I wasn't aware of any. So if you are going around in your van with TACCA on this side, is that against the law if you don't have the things Andrew is banging on about. ???
I wondered the same so had a quick Google.
http://www.netlawman.co.uk/info/unincorporated-associations.php
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"the last thing the customer wants is someone coming in spraying whatever on there carpets and damng it up."
Andrew,
What exactly are you implying ? Are you suggesting that because I am not a member this is what i will be doing ?
I am not a member ,i have no itention of been a member as yet , that does not mean to say Derick is not doing a decent job in what he believes, and I wish him luck, but it is remarks like yours that p*ss me off.
Why would a memebr of tacca or any other body not do exactly what you are suggesting ? Please dont answer me by saying some thing like " they are vetted and have to have met a certain criteria"
Geoff
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There is another Andrew.
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It was I who wrote it and in hindsight is not what i was meaning to say. and I have emailed Geoff an appology.
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Andrew .
recieved and accepted .
Geoff
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Is there any 'legal' requirement to calling yourself an Association? I wasn't aware of any. So if you are going around in your van with TACCA on this side, is that against the law if you don't have the things Andrew is banging on about. ???
I wondered the same so had a quick Google.
http://www.netlawman.co.uk/info/unincorporated-associations.php
That bit could be worrying if it is an unincorporated association
...."It follows that individual members are legally responsible for the acts and omissions of the entire association."
That means all who are member's are responsible. How can you be if you don't know what's going on ??? :o
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Watched a progamme the other night about organ donation ........... the amount of people happy to recieve such an organ, was far different than those willing to be donors .......... you need to be in it, to reap the benefits ::)roll
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Chris I think that sounds like one of Len gribble's posts ;D
Shaun
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Watched a progamme the other night about organ donation ........... the amount of people happy to recieve such an organ, was far different than those willing to be donors .......... you need to be in it, to reap the benefits ::)roll
Agreed. But what you are entering into you must ensure your 'arse is covered' in all directions, legally being one of them.
TACCA member's need the truth. Is it a registered Association or not? Either way, it would appear it's member's are legally responsible for the 'Associations' actions although there is no elected democracy (Committee) in place.
Would you be prepared to go to court if the need arose to cover TACCA's arse?
Would you be prepared to put your hand 'in your pocket' should the need arise to cover TACCA's arse?
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Chris I think that sounds like one of Len gribble's posts ;D
Shaun
It does actually, the only difference is it makes sense. ;D Lens post I can never work out ;D
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What is an unincorporated association?
An unincorporated association is an organisation that arises when two or more people come together for a particular purpose but decide not to use a formal structure like a company.
Most clubs, societies, associations, groups, and some syndicates are unincorporated, as are most voluntary organisations.
The advantage that unincorporated associations have that makes them a popular choice for a club or society is that they enjoy greater freedom of operation than a company or a partnership. For example, there is no requirement to submit annual returns.
Is an unincorporated association recognised at law?
Unlike an incorporated association (for example, a limited company) an unincorporated association is not a “person” in law. So it has no legal rights and is not separate from its members. It follows that individual members are legally responsible for the acts and omissions of the entire association.
However, although not separate from its individual members, an association can register a name with the Registrar of Business Names and then hold a bank account in its own name. It can also register to be a charity if it has been formed to benefit the public.
Unincorporated associations may also have trading or business objectives or carry on commercial activities.
How to form an unincorporated association
Although we use the word “form” you do not actually form an unincorporated association. What you do is put together a set of agreed rules for the management and operation of the joint activity. That could be written on the back of an envelope, but using a comprehensive document to do so is better as it covers many things and protects those who make decisions from action by those who do not.
Why you should write the rules of the association into a formal constitution
The most obvious reasons for having a written constitution is that it provides a record of what was agreed. New members joining should understand far better what is expected of them, and disagreements as to how the association should be managed should be minimised.
The second reason stems from the fact that all members are collectively responsible for the actions of the association. Writing the rules down reminds all members what they may or may not do and therefore helps reduce the possibility that an individual acts in such a way that jeopardises the interests of another member.
By providing clear guidelines as to how the club, society or association will work, a constitution safeguards the interests of members against each other and ensures the on-going success of the organisation.
What to put in the constitution: Management
For most clubs, it is impractical for every member to have a vote on every decision. Therefore, a management committee is usually elected to run the organisation on behalf of the members.
The authority of the voluntary management committee flows from the constitution or rules because every member has agreed to those rules when he signs up as a member. That leaves the office holders as agents for all the members.
It is important when setting up an unincorporated association to consider how office-bearers will be appointed, what duties, powers and responsibilities the management committee will have, and under what circumstances the appointment ends. You should write these into the constitution.
What to put in the constitution: Membership
Likewise, you should also consider at the start the criteria or eligibility for becoming a member, how a person becomes a member and importantly, how membership ends. You may want to give committee members the right to end the membership of individuals who behave in ways inconsistent with the rules or values of your association.
What to put in the constitution: How to change the rules
Over time the members may wish to amend the organisation's purposes or the arrangements for the conducting of its affairs. Unless there are any express rules governing the changing of purposes or rules it is presumed that changes can only be made with the consent of all the members of the association. That often presents a problem if not all members can come together to vote, or if the decision is not unanimous.
Therefore, if it is important that decisions can be made quickly or regularly, it may be sensible to set out alternative arrangements for decision making (such as giving a committee powers to make certain decisions or letting a majority vote decide).
It may also be a good idea to set out when all members should meet regularly, for example, setting out that there will be an Annual General Meeting (AGM) or an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) of the members of the association. Decisions that do require the vote of all members can be made at these.
Registration of your association
Unincorporated associations do not need to register with any government organisations because they are not bound by regulations. For example, they do not need to be registered at either Companies House or the Financial Services Authority.
If your unincorporated association has charitable aims, you can apply to the Charity Commission for charitable status. If you are given charitable status, you will have to comply with the Commission’s regulations.
Limitations of unincorporated associations
Because it has no legal identity of its own and in legal terms is only a collection of individuals, an unincorporated association cannot:
start a legal action
borrow money
enter into contracts in its own name
hold property
If you need your association to hold property (for example, a club minibus) you may be able to set up a trust to legally hold ownership of the property and assets for the members who are to benefit.
Personal risk and alternatives
Because unincorporated associations have no separate legal identity, members have to sign loan documents and contracts as individuals and carry the risk personally. This way of working is unlikely to offer a long-term solution if you intend to expand the enterprise.
taking on employees
raising finance or applying for grants
issuing shares
entering into large contracts
taking on a lease or buy freehold property
However, there is nothing to stop you from starting an unincorporated association first and incorporating later on. Acting this way would usually incur less cost and less administration.
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Gees Andrew you know how to spend your Sundays ;D
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I'd recommend that you don't join it's best for everyone involved.
Shaun
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I'd recommend that you don't join it's best for everyone involved.
Shaun
Until it complies with the Law rest assured I won't be :-X
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There's one in every village :D ;D ;D
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Andrew i think you need to get out more, i have just come on after spending a lovely day with the family. Got home and read all this rubbish where everyone seems happy to be part of this FREE organisation where like minded people help each other, please confirm or not were you a traffic warden in a previous job, all you seem to do is moan.
You are not obliged to join TACCA what other people choose to do is exactly that their choice, and comparing the situation to NAZI Germany is childish, i mean Derek doesn't even have a moustache.
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Until it complies with the Law rest assured I won't be :-X
Surely from your own post, it does?
Unincorporated associations do not need to register with any government organisations because they are not bound by regulations.
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You are wasted here Andrew there's a well paid job in Brussels for you somewhere. ;D
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Andrew have you always been a carpet cleaner or did you once upon a time spent your days as a traffic warden. or sorry a traffic enforcement officer
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No, he was the even bigger numpty who dreams up the jobs worth rules that the traffic enforcement operatives operate to. ;D
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Richard i beat you to that observation ;D
The guys a wind up merchant almost everything he posts is either negative, or self righteous the sort of guy who sits in his chair at home moaning about something but without the balls to change it, an armchair critic.
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sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1361133595_wedding - Copy.jpg)
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Andrew
I really like your logo does it belong to you or the American company using it
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Need a wig
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No ,Derek, it's been really quiet here
Oh, the village idiot came through muttering something absurd about you taking us all for a ride with your undemocratic, unelected Stalinist regime known as TACCA, but we f--ed him off ;D
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Oh no it's run by Charlie Chaplin
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sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1361133595_wedding - Copy.jpg)
GOT IM HIMMEL, MEIN FUHRER ;D
TACCA version of mein kampf TO FOLLOW
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Fixed that for you Derek ;D ;)
(http://www.carpetcleaningcompany.co.uk/images/wedding%20-%20Copy.jpg)
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Wish i were coming to the TACCA event now i have my little brown shorts and love a torch light parade.
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I knew Tacca had an inner circle
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Need to change the name from Tacca to Tasha, due to the new Freddie Mercury look. ;D
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Fixed that for you Derek ;D ;)
(http://www.carpetcleaningcompany.co.uk/images/wedding%20-%20Copy.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
oh dennis, you brought back so many memories for me there, timotei and a comb, to name but a few. those were the days ;D
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It's like an old boy's club ;D
Good luck to you all :)
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You mean an association?
See what I did there?
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You mean an association?
See what I did there?
I got it ;D
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sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1361133595_wedding - Copy.jpg)
Not really just the usual suspect spouting negativity.
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sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1361133595_wedding - Copy.jpg)
Not really just the usual suspect spouting negativity.
Neville Chainberlain 1938 ;D
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I think he looks like Freddie Starr.
Shaun
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I knew that picture reminded me of something! Here's a rug i cleaned earlier! ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1361140687_Hitler.jpg)
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Hah! Godwin's Law - first mention of Hitler!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Thanks Dennis, learn something new every day, who said its just a carpet cleaning forum. basically the first to mention the Nazis as Basil Fawlty famously said " this is just how Nazi Germany started" when he clearly lost the plot means he had lost the argument.
Godwins law, great :)
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Fixed that for you Derek ;D ;)
(http://www.carpetcleaningcompany.co.uk/images/wedding%20-%20Copy.jpg)
Ive just come in from a night out but i cant make the picture out.... Is it Derek or Billy :D
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dumkauff
Paul zat is our glorious leader Derek ;D
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James are you sure !!!
Have you ever seen Derek and Billy in the same room?
I think theyvare onevand the same ;D
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Are you saying that billy is inside Derek?.......... Again ;D
Shaun
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:o :o :o
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What is of interest, this thread has had 645 views by carpet cleaner's but only a handful of the 'old boys' club posting in it!
:D
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Thats probably because only a handfull of users ever post about anything.
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Thats probably because only a handfull of users ever post about anything. (http://Thats probably because only a handfull of users ever post about anything.)
True from what I've seen. I personally don't see a problem with TACCA, it's something that you don't need to be part of and people join it because they like the idea of it. So equally if people don't like it anymore then they'll leave!
And you can't have an association/group/club with only 1 member, well you can, but you'd be a bit sad. So where is the need for a committee and elected representatives?
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Hah! Godwin's Law - first mention of Hitler!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
;D
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What is of interest, this thread has had 645 views by carpet cleaner's but only a handful of the 'old boys' club posting in it!
:D
Old Boys Club!! Your right Andrew, Come on lads, this is turning into Cleantalk!
;D ;D ;D
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What is of interest, this thread has had 645 views by carpet cleaner's but only a handful of the 'old boys' club posting in it!
:D
I thought that was because some log back in to take a look at what has changed? I didn't think it was unique views, just views in total, so if "The Old Boys" keep logging into read and comment every time they did so was a view?
An "Old Boy", who's logged in at least 10 times to view and have a chuckle, so in true Allo Allo Style - "Rek!"
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Just thought I would add my piece. I attended last year because I wanted to learn. Nothing more nothing less, and to meet some of the faces behind the posts so to speak.
There was a wealth of experienced carpet cleaners all happy to share their tips and tricks. I was one of the few guys there that was using a portable. OK so I got a bit of friendly stick, but it opened my eyes to the fact that despite all the banter the guys attending wanted to help anyone that was there. Prices were freely discussed, tips on how to do this or that. No questions that I posed were off limits. I think the reason was simple...Derek and everyone there were trying to improve standards and the fact that everyone was honest with their advice was the fact that because everyone was from a different area meant that most people did not feel threatened in the fact that in passing on nuggets of information would not lose them their customers.
Its not about not being democratic, it about like minded people getting together and sharing information. A bit like this forum only it's better in the fact that there are not 100 people looking on and not "contributing".
In addition I don't know about you all but sometimes it is lonely out there. How can you clean it better? Can you do it faster without losing the quality? Am I advertising in the right places? How can I get that stain out more productively? How do I get better results. You can go on training courses and call suppliers, or call a friendly carpet cleaner 100 miles away.
It doesn't mean that if you don't go you're no good. It doesn't mean that if you go you're being undemocratic, it just means that you want to go to chat to like-minded people and to come away with one good idea makes it totally worth it.
My one good idea was to make the jump to a Truckmount. So in return for what I learned I would be happy to share my tips and tricks I have had to learn to use a Truckmount and how it makes me more productive.
So come along what have you got to lose..............no one wants to argue, they just want to learn.
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Tony,
Excellent post, well said
Simon
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Tony like Simon said great post
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Hit the nail on the head...well said Tony....brill post.. ;D
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I vote for no committee lol
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Tony well said, i have often thought blimey without this forum running a carpet cleaning business would be very hard indeed, it's often a life line when you are faced with something different, advice is freely given often guys spending a great deal of time in there response to other peoples questions.
TACCA is a way of taking that further. I wish i could go as i missed last years and will have to miss this years, however i wish everyone who takes the time to attend and especially the guys who organise it all the very best of luck.
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Is there a difference between CCDO and TACCA day? or has TACCA day replaced CCDO?
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Spelled differently.
Shaun
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Ok So Tonys actually giving credit to TACCA for something that was there before TACCA.
I think he should be crediting Paul M and Dave L
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Bit like sdo (sunny day out) ;D
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Bit like sdo (sunny day out) ;D
Leave it Len! ;D
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That reminds me I've got last weeks big night out on the planner :)
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With all the talk about big blowers on here it's more like a gay version of Take Me Out than big night out. ;D
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With all the talk about big blowers on here it's more like a gay version of Take Me Out than big night out. ;D
;D ;D
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Whether ccdo, tacca, what ever, the theme remains the same, cc showing how they make money day in day out and to show the tricks of the trade off.
Pete and Jason di a good job but there where lots of hecklers along the way that caused problems. Im pretty sure that Andrew is one of those people if not he is from the same camp just stirring up trouble.
I dont think that this time it will work though as Derek is too..... Strong for them this time round ;D
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Saying anything negative or putting own opinions on here is deemed to be causing trouble :o
But of course Mr P Moss would know all about that :-X
Once again, I do hope TACCA succeeds but under a proper democratic leadership :)
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every organisation starts with one mans idea and vision eventually if and I am sure tacca will grow more people will have to be involved. But if and when tacca is moved forward is the choice of the person who has spent an enormous amount of his time money and effort to get it off the ground.
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They need a committee. ;D
(http://www.flat-chat.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/executive-committee-martyr-001-1024x768.jpg)
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Andrew we live in a democracy, you have a choice, we have a choice.
I chose to join TACCA because it benefits me and my business at no cost whatsoever, if at a later date it cost me to remain a member it is my choice again, i choose to be a member of the NCCA that does cost me but i choose to be a member. you say we are critical of you, its probably because you are you only one who fails to grasp what is obvious to the rest of us, no one is being made to do anything against there will.
If someone takes the time and trouble and the expense to do this then good luck, i dont give a flying .... what the motives for doing it are because if i am unhappy at any time I LEAVE thats democracy at work in TACCA as far as i am concerned.
To me it seems something worth being part of, its a shame you cant see that.
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Yep and your the only one using a false name :D
But we know who you are bronze >:(
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Good Evening, One of the lads that works for me comes on here often and was running on about this post today,so i thought id have a look. It took me back to the days when i attended the odd cc event. An industry which know accounts for less than 5% of our turnover. Iv listed a few things which can be guaranteed at any gathering of fellow carpet cleaners,from my experience.
1.80-90% of people will be dressed very badly.
2.There will be a "joke" that is repeated and referred to constantly throughout the day
3.Someone will turn up in a half tidy car,which will be gathered around at breaktime.
4.People will tell borrowed stories about kittens going up hoses.,and cat wee.
5.Some whoppers will be told about daily takings,usually from the guys that arnt vat reg.
6.There will be a handful of decent blokes there,but will have to "leave early"
7.There will be a reasonable looking secretary or PA hanging about,grimacing....
8.There will be the guy who will drink too much because he dosnt get out much.
9.There will however be one nugget of information thats usefull...its just finding it.
10. I wish the guys that have worked hard on it all the best
regards
Ian.
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Arr Joe ;D has Andrew gone to bed now :)
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Oh,i almost forgot,even in 2013 the casual homophobic jokes. Yeah a real crease up.
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Quote 1.80-90% of people will be dressed very badly.
;D ;D ;D ;D
how true is that statment? the days out and training courses i have been on!!
I thought exactly the same, infact i remember thinking hope they dont turn up on a job looking like that ;)
gepff
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Good Evening, One of the lads that works for me comes on here often and was running on about this post today,so i thought id have a look. It took me back to the days when i attended the odd cc event. An industry which know accounts for less than 5% of our turnover. Iv listed a few things which can be guaranteed at any gathering of fellow carpet cleaners,from my experience.
1.80-90% of people will be dressed very badly.
2.There will be a "joke" that is repeated and referred to constantly throughout the day
3.Someone will turn up in a half tidy car,which will be gathered around at breaktime.
4.People will tell borrowed stories about kittens going up hoses.,and cat wee.
5.Some whoppers will be told about daily takings,usually from the guys that arnt vat reg.
6.There will be a handful of decent blokes there,but will have to "leave early"
7.There will be a reasonable looking secretary or PA hanging about,grimacing....
8.There will be the guy who will drink too much because he dosnt get out much.
9.There will however be one nugget of information thats usefull...its just finding it.
10. I wish the guys that have worked hard on it all the best
regards
Ian.
that sounds better than my actual write up. ;D
ps... can i be excluded from the "decent guy leaving early" bit, as i have to stay to the end to clean up number 8, luckily i know a good carpet cleaner in my area, he's not cheap though, are you paul?. ;) ;D
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All the best with it Derek, just my observations from years gone by. Strangely no ones denying any of it yet....
cheers
Ian
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I think its been a while since Ian ;) has been to one of these :D
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About 5 years Paul,all im commenting on is how i found them and what i saw. I though that was the whole point of the thread??
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9.There will however be one nugget of information thats usefull...its just finding it.
And that ONE reason alone makes it worth going for me!
See you in April ;)
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Saying anything negative or putting own opinions on here is deemed to be causing trouble :o
But of course Mr P Moss would know all about that :-X
Once again, I do hope TACCA succeeds but under a proper democratic leadership :)
Oh do shut up about democracy, will you?
The fact is that 100% of the membership of TACCA voted with their feet to become members, if that's not democracy in action, I don't know what is. So if you have a grain of respect for the notion of democracy, you'd e the first to take your hat off to that simple fact.
Simon
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Saying anything negative or putting own opinions on here is deemed to be causing trouble :o
But of course Mr P Moss would know all about that :-X
Once again, I do hope TACCA succeeds but under a proper democratic leadership :)
Oh do shut up about democracy, will you?
The fact is that 100% of the membership of TACCA voted with their feet to become members, if that's not democracy in action, I don't know what is. So if you have a grain of respect for the notion of democracy, you'd e the first to take your hat off to that simple fact.
Simon
I don't like to say it often.................. Well said ufebht! ;D ;D
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
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;D thats why we call Derek, John Wayne.
To get tacca this far you need true grit ;D
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Shut up Spin Doctor! ;D ;D
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;D thats why we call Derek, John Wayne.
To get tacca this far you need true grit ;D
as long as it doesn't get changed to marion i'm okay to be called john wayne, beats billys little blower which lets face it, will be on his gravestone. ;D
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Shut up Spin Doctor! ;D ;D
:-* :-* ;D ;D
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;D thats why we call Derek, John Wayne.
To get tacca this far you need true grit ;D
as long as it doesn't get changed to marion i'm okay to be called john wayne, beats billys little blower which lets face it, will be on his gravestone. ;D
Here we have it Derek admits to being a cowboy ;D ;D ;D
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His vans quite a bit smaller than mine too and its French
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I thought this thread was about tacca, but I see it's actually about 'TACCA day'
I don't think anyone could have a problem with TACCA day, learning from each other just makes sense.
SDO (sunny day out) that rings a bell, was that the one organised by truckmount forums?
Im intrigued who is Andrew?
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;D thats why we call Derek, John Wayne.
To get tacca this far you need true grit ;D
as long as it doesn't get changed to marion i'm okay to be called john wayne, beats billys little blower which lets face it, will be on his gravestone. ;D
Here we have it Derek admits to being a cowboy ;D ;D ;D
awwwww bugga, can't believe i didn't see the obvious, taxi!!!
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And talking of muppets .....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Hector,
I've edited for you, makes more sense now :D ;D
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Thank you Simon...
Taxi on it's way for Capt Obvious (Derek) ;D ;D
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And talking of MUPPETS.....
Have you seen Simon? ;D ;D ;D
Corrected again!
;D ;D
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Shut up Spin Doctor! ;D ;D
Shut Up Billy, that's his new nickname!
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Shut up Spin Doctor! ;D ;D
Shut Up Billy, that's his new nickname!
ok Rocky, Calm down!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Saying anything negative or putting own opinions on here is deemed to be causing trouble :o
But of course Mr P Moss would know all about that :-X
Once again, I do hope TACCA succeeds but under a proper democratic leadership :)
Oh do shut up about democracy, will you?
The fact is that 100% of the membership of TACCA voted with their feet to become members, if that's not democracy in action, I don't know what is. So if you have a grain of respect for the notion of democracy, you'd e the first to take your hat off to that simple fact.
Simon
ABSOLUTELY, COULD NOT AGREE MORE. I will say one thing about Mr Laurey, he's like a tabloid headline interesting but completely bonkers.
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The thread was originally intended to give thoughts on the organisation, however as threads do... It drifted to the day out...
The day out is a very good idea, and been reincarnated in several different guises over the years..
However as an organisation.... I will hold judgement on TACCA. this is taking nothing away from Derek who originally single handedly started the whole thing...
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The thread was originally intended to give thoughts on the organisation, however as threads do... It drifted to the day out...
The day out is a very good idea, and been reincarnated in several different guises over the years..
However as an organisation.... I will hold judgement on TACCA. this is taking nothing away from Derek who originally single handedly started the whole thing...
I gave my thoughts on TACCA, but look where it got me :o Not replying to any of your threads again pal ;D
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It's a shame other people don't give their true thoughts about TACCA instead of 'following the flock' :o
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It's a shame other people don't give their true thoughts about TACCA instead of 'following the flock' :o
We are giving our true views Andrew and it appears your the black sheep, almost everyone else think it's a great idea.
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Maybe James... or maybe not...
maybe Andrew is the only one who has voiced his opinion, and the rest who don't like the organisation have kept in the background lurking, as lots of people on here do.
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Maybe James... or maybe not...
maybe Andrew is the only one who has voiced his opinion, and the rest who don't like the organisation have kept in the background lurking, as lots of people on here do.
Hector,
That is exactly as it should be, the people who think it is a good idea will join in and reap whatever benefits come their way and the rest will merely exercise their democratic not to. Simples. ;D
Simon
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It's a shame other people don't give their true thoughts about TACCA instead of 'following the flock' :o
We are giving our true views Andrew and it appears your the black sheep, almost everyone else think it's a great idea.
You mean everyone else who has 'voiced' (or posted) an opinion, but the 1350 odd other's ??? ??? ???
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Well that's their democratic choice isn't it to tick the relevant box
I want to join TACCA
I do not want to join TACCA
Hector are you suggesting the silent majority are against TACCA, you could be right i mean this forum is known for having members that don't voice there opinion ;D, does it even matter because for the umteenth time IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T JOIN ::)roll
I am beginning to think this is some big conspiracy, Derek and Andrew are one in the same, you have been rumbled Derek, a very clever marketing campaign to draw attention to TACCA, worked brilliantly, you didn't work for the CIA at one time did you ?
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And talking of nuggets.....
Hi Billy ;D ;D ;D
Shut up Spin Doctor! ;D ;D
Shut Up Billy, that's his new nickname!
ok Rocky, Calm down!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
;D
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Hector are you suggesting the silent majority are against TACCA, you could be right i mean this forum is known for having members that don't voice there opinion
No James not at all...
just playing Devils advocate, and giving anyone who has questions about TACCA an opportunity to voice their concerns... After all we still have freedom of speech in this Country (well to an extent anyhoo ;D )
;D ;D
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Well that's there democratic choice isn't it to tick the relevant box
I want to join TACCA
I do not want to join TACCA
Hector are you suggesting the silent majority are against TACCA, you could be right i mean this forum is known for having members that don't voice there opinion ;D, does it even matter because for the umteenth time IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T JOIN ::)roll
I am beginning to think this is some big conspiracy, Derek and Andrew are one in the same, you have been rumbled Derek, a very cleaver marketing campaign to draw attention to TACCA, worked brilliantly. you didn't work for the CIA at one time did you.
if it was me james, i think i would think up a name a bit more common than Andrew laurrey. google it. theres only one in the whole wide world and he's on CIU ;D
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I gave my thoughts on TACCA, but look where it got me :o Not replying to any of your threads again pal ;D
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Andrew why dont you just keep to your word ?
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So the vast majority of carpet cleaners don't want to join TACCA then ?
Well that's one thing that TACCA has in common with the NCCA !
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Guys just chill, Creighton your thoughts on tacca just differ with Derek and ive met you and you are one of the good guys :D just come down to the day and all will be good.
Andrew and Joe you two are both plonkers and are just up for a wind up. If you want to have a decent conversation just come down to the day and the 3 of us can go in a room together :D I will even cover the cost of your ticket. If you cant take that offer up then just shut up. ;)
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Well that's there democratic choice isn't it to tick the relevant box
I want to join TACCA
I do not want to join TACCA
Hector are you suggesting the silent majority are against TACCA, you could be right i mean this forum is known for having members that don't voice there opinion ;D, does it even matter because for the umteenth time IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T JOIN ::)roll
I am beginning to think this is some big conspiracy, Derek and Andrew are one in the same, you have been rumbled Derek, a very cleaver marketing campaign to draw attention to TACCA, worked brilliantly. you didn't work for the CIA at one time did you.
if it was me james, i think i would think up a name a bit more common than Andrew laurrey. google it. theres only one in the whole wide world and he's on CIU ;D
Derek
Should i say ones enough ? ooops i said it.
Most people have no problem with another persons forthright opinion, it is after all a forum, i think what irritated most people including me, was Andrew's, anal retentiveness nature, he reminded me of Peter Sellers in a film called "i'm alright Jack" he played a shop steward who brought the country to a grinding halt with a general strike.
A great film by the way !
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Well that's there democratic choice isn't it to tick the relevant box
I want to join TACCA
I do not want to join TACCA
Hector are you suggesting the silent majority are against TACCA, you could be right i mean this forum is known for having members that don't voice there opinion ;D, does it even matter because for the umteenth time IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T JOIN ::)roll
I am beginning to think this is some big conspiracy, Derek and Andrew are one in the same, you have been rumbled Derek, a very cleaver marketing campaign to draw attention to TACCA, worked brilliantly. you didn't work for the CIA at one time did you.
Spelling & grammar 0 / 10 :o
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Hey Andrew leave James alone and play with me big boy :)
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Hey Andrew leave James alone and play with me big boy :)
I love you Paul :-*
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andrew. dont forgets to cheque the speling and grammer in evry post, did i really say you had anal retentiveness, wonder why i fought that ? ::)roll
Remember boys and girls the correct use of their and there, always irritated me when posters on this forum misuse the word loose and lose, never thought to draw THEIR attention to it though :P
To everyone on Cleanitup, please accept my sincere apologies for any offence i may have caused by my poor grammar and spelling i will try harder in future.
I accept that 0/10 is not good enough, but my dog ate my homework and i wasn't able to revise because my school burnt down, the person responsible was never caught but they did say they had 700 suspects 8)
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To everyone on Cleanitup, please accept my sincere apologies for any offence i may have caused by my poor grammar and spelling i will try harder in future.
I accept that 0/10 is not good enough, but my dog ate my homework and i wasn't able to revise because my school burnt down, the person responsible was never caught but they did say they had 700 suspects 8)
You must try HARDER get to the back of the class you naughty boy....
;D ;D
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andrew. dont forgets to cheque the speling and grammer in evry post, did i really say you had anal retentiveness, wonder why i fought that ?
Remember boys and girls the correct use of their and there, always irritated me when posters on this forum misuse the word loose and lose, never thought to draw THEIR attention to it though :P
To everyone on Cleanitup, please accept my sincere apologies for any offence i may have caused by my poor grammar and spelling i will try harder in future.
I accept that 0/10 is not good enough, but my dog ate my homework and i wasn't able to revise because my school burnt down, the person responsible was never caught but they did say they had 700 suspects 8)
How do your customer's put up with you? :D
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Andrew
Have you secretly harboured an ambition to be a lion tamer ?
If so then Work your way up to lion taming via chartered accountancy and get yourself a hat that lights up saying
"LION TAMER"
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Stop biting fellas....
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Stop biting fellas....
What should they bite instead of fellas Tony ??
;D
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Stop biting fellas....
What should they bite instead of fellas Tony ??
;D
wow that just blew my mind! :o ;D its been a long day cleaning boring carpet tile and 80 office swivel chairs,. :'(
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relax mate it is the weekend... just read the threads and laugh a little ;D ;D
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Andrew
Have you secretly harboured an ambition to be a lion tamer ?
If so then Work your way up to lion taming via chartered accountancy and get yourself a hat that lights up saying
"LION TAMER"
Are you on drugs? :o
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good question...
If so... can I have some of them.... they seem pretty powerful ;D ;D ;D
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Good Evening, One of the lads that works for me comes on here often and was running on about this post today,so i thought id have a look. It took me back to the days when i attended the odd cc event. An industry which know accounts for less than 5% of our turnover. Iv listed a few things which can be guaranteed at any gathering of fellow carpet cleaners,from my experience.
1.80-90% of people will be dressed very badly.
2.There will be a "joke" that is repeated and referred to constantly throughout the day
3.Someone will turn up in a half tidy car,which will be gathered around at breaktime.
4.People will tell borrowed stories about kittens going up hoses.,and cat wee.
5.Some whoppers will be told about daily takings,usually from the guys that arnt vat reg.
6.There will be a handful of decent blokes there,but will have to "leave early"
7.There will be a reasonable looking secretary or PA hanging about,grimacing....
8.There will be the guy who will drink too much because he dosnt get out much.
9.There will however be one nugget of information thats usefull...its just finding it.
10. I wish the guys that have worked hard on it all the best
regards
Ian.
that sounds better than my actual write up. ;D
ps... can i be excluded from the "decent guy leaving early" bit, as i have to stay to the end to clean up number 8, luckily i know a good carpet cleaner in my area, he's not cheap though, are you paul?. ;) ;D
I'm as cheap or expensive as the customer needs me to be - this is what any business should do to make a decent profit and continue to trade ;)
Just for the record Derek - I'm not Joe Brown or A Lorry :) But from the couple of days Ive been on I tend to agree with number 1 ;D ;D and dont like cleaning up after number 8's :)
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Andrew
Have you secretly harboured an ambition to be a lion tamer ?
If so then Work your way up to lion taming via chartered accountancy and get yourself a hat that lights up saying
"LION TAMER"
Are you on drugs? :o
NO
No drugs involved, Just a part of our social history that must have passed you by, and is obviously wasted on you. when i joined TACCA i didn't expect the Spanish inquisition.
Someone spell it out for him :P
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tony is right if people ignore this bawbag he'll go away . it's only people biting that's feeding his ego
although i'm not totally convinced that him and blacky are actually real people
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Here you go, spelt out for you :P
http://http://youtu.be/XMOmB1q8W4Y
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I think your depth of Python knowledge is greater than the average person James... i consider myself a python fan and I had not a clue as to what you were on about yesterday....
the sketch is very good and I remember it now.... However to refer to it without the clip (as you did yesterday) just made it seem as though you had been on something stronger than tobacco... 8) 8)
;D
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paul i think you misread my post (the first line of my post was quoting andrew) .
i am coming to the tacca day and i think we all agree that tacca is running along fine as it is at the moment
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Hector
I don't think my Python knowledge is that great, but Michael Palin's character came to mind, after i suggested they may have anal retentiveness, they proved it by pointing out my grammar and spelling.
Used conversationally to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis.
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Here you go, spelt out for you :P
http://http://youtu.be/XMOmB1q8W4Y
Well i was expecting the Spanish inquisition.
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Thats not funny monty python, this is funny monty python;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs
;D
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Guys just chill, Creighton your thoughts on tacca just differ with Derek and ive met you and you are one of the good guys :D just come down to the day and all will be good.
Andrew and Joe you two are both plonkers and are just up for a wind up. If you want to have a decent conversation just come down to the day and the 3 of us can go in a room together :D I will even cover the cost of your ticket. If you cant take that offer up then just shut up. ;)
So im a plonker because i have views you dont agree on Paul ?.By the way are bowls of water provided for all the nodding dogs on the day?
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Here you go, spelt out for you :P
http://http://youtu.be/XMOmB1q8W4Y
Well i was expecting the Spanish inquisition.
Derek you silly boy,NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION ;D http://youtu.be/vt0Y39eMvpI
I think two threads are developing here 8) I prefer this one the other was getting boring, should i go shouldn't i go. Welcome to the Andrew Laurrey show.
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Guys just chill, Creighton your thoughts on tacca just differ with Derek and ive met you and you are one of the good guys :D just come down to the day and all will be good.
Andrew and Joe you two are both plonkers and are just up for a wind up. If you want to have a decent conversation just come down to the day and the 3 of us can go in a room together :D I will even cover the cost of your ticket. If you cant take that offer up then just shut up. ;)
So im a plonker because i have views you dont agree on Paul ?.By the way are bowls of water provided for all the nodding dogs on the day?
Yes Joe, it seems we both are idiots, plonkers, trouble maker's, (lions?) etc. just because we don't agree with their views ???
We haven't called them specific names and I don't intend to either, as to go down that route is very childish and I'm far too old to be doing that 8)
I respect their views but obviously some people (like James) can't respect our views. What a shame!
Putting up silly videos shows the mentality of some ;D
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Andrew, what are you trying to achieve?
You have pointed out a few things that may be worth addressing further down the line for TACCA but why keep banging on about it?
You have made your point, I think its fair to say its fallen on deaf ears and you would be far better off minding your own business, or better still start your own organisation that follows the association guidelines fully. Then all you have to do is find people to join it.... which I think would be your stumbling block.
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Andrew, what are you trying to achieve?
You have pointed out a few things that may be worth addressing further down the line for TACCA but why keep banging on about it?
You have made your point, I think its fair to say its fallen on deaf ears and you would be far better off minding your own business, or better still start your own organisation that follows the association guidelines fully. Then all you have to do is find people to join it.... which I think would be your stumbling block.
Agreed, who's joining ;D
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I'm game....
even if you ain't gonna respond to any of my threads again :-* :-*
;D
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I'm game....
even if you ain't gonna respond to any of my threads again :-* :-*
;D
Hector,
You're not allowed to join as he won't allow LM'ers ;D
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I'm game....
even if you ain't gonna respond to any of my threads again :-* :-*
;D
Hector,
You're not allowed to join as he won't allow LM'ers ;D
Na, you're wrong there - it's open to all, from those using Rug Doctor's to TM's, LM to HWE. Details to follow.............
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Weathers nice today, don't you think? :-*
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Weathers nice today, don't you think? :-*
;D
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Weathers nice today, don't you think? :-*
No, it's freezing cold, windy and been snowing here, so there. ;D
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Think i saw some tumble weed roll by.
too obtuse ?
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James,
Which direction was it going in?
I think it got run over by A Laurrey ;D
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Bugger
I wanted to get the last word.
No one likes a smart arse ;D
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No one likes a smart arse ;D
I like Pippa Middleton's. ;D
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But to be fair Dennis....................
You live in a part of the country where 6 toes on each foot is almost as obligatory as marrying your uncles cousins sister..
;D ;D
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But to be fair Dennis....................
You live in a part of the country where 6 toes on each foot is almost as obligatory as marrying your uncles cousins sister..
;D ;D
;D ;D
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But to be fair Dennis....................
You live in a part of the country where 6 toes on each foot is almost as obligatory as marrying your uncles cousins sister..
;D ;D
True ;D
Beneath Martham church tower there is a gravestone with a surprising inscription. It was written by a Christopher Burraway to commemorate his wife Alice and reads: 'in this life my sister, my mistress, my mother and my wife'. Burraway, who was the illegitimate child of an incestuous union, returned to Martham later in life and unknowingly married his mother/sister. The connection only came to light after an identifying mole was discovered.
http://www.literarynorfolk.co.uk/martham.htm
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Ok im bored with this now, no body is biting any more :'(
im starting a new thread
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Does TACCA. Exist outside of this forum?
Does it have its own online presence ? As I'm not a member the only contact I have with TACCA is what I read on here, and if I'm truthful it does not come across in a professional light, most of the topics start to follow the same theme of a few member sharing daft jokes, or praise for Derek having the gumption to give it a go which seams to be the stock response for any criticism of TACCA
Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler mustaches
There is a fundamental problem with these organisation and its some of the members it attracts, I.m not being critical of TACCA the same went for 'CLEAN' I went to the CCDO meeting and the first thing I saw when I arrived at the hotel was a founding member rolling over the floor ( drunk?) are these the people we want represent our industry
NCCA might be run by old fogeys but they are professional old fogeys who always maintain a professional attitude....if it came to who I would choose to represent our industry these old fogeys would be my first choice
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Excellent post Mike,excellent.
Lewis Doubtfire.
P.S.
Only my opinion,but I agree with one of the orginal
Founders of the NCCA,can`t name of course for
Ethical reasons but he said`There can be only one
NCCA,
When all said and done for right wrong good bad or
Indifferent they are the official governing body.
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yes mike, it more than exists outside of this forum.
we have 240 members and 640 businesses registered to our newsletter
i would say out of all that, about 40 post on here.
http://www.tacca.co.uk/find-a-cleaner/
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like i said derek i only see what I see on here and my opionion is based on that, can you get the newsletter without being a member?
do the 240 members communicate... through Facebook etc
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Mike, there's a facebook page and a forum on the tacca website.
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Mike,
I think the point you are missing, conveniently perhaps, is that TACCA was founded on the back of a lot of dissatisfaction with the ncca, which everyone was prepared to bitch about but weren't prepared to do anything about it. In fact, if i remember correctly, it started almost as a joke which Derek singlehandedly took forward, built a website and all the SEO to go with it, got suppliers involved and without asking for a penny invited members, many of whom are getting work on a regular basis through the TACCA site, for free.
So a few of us share the odd joke on here, is that unprofessional, or just a bit of banter, which the public do not see? If you're so averse to a bit of humour on here then perhaps TACCA members should leave CiU and use the TACCA forum instead?
Here's a link to the TACCA website:
www.tacca.co.uk
And tell us what is unprofessional about that - bearing in mind that is what the public see?
I'm also intrigued to know what you mean by, 'There is a fundamental problem with these organisation and its some of the members it attracts.'
Simon
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Does the Professional Cleaners Association still exist?
I have a couple of Bane Clean users as customers who still fly the flag.
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Mike may have a bit of a point but in reality if you google tacca this forum is nowhere. But if you google your name area your cleanitup up post may well be seen only a few pages in if a customer or potential customer wants to research you.
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like i said derek i only see what I see on here and my opionion is based on that, can you get the newsletter without being a member?
do the 240 members communicate... through Facebook etc
at the moment its just members that get the newsletter. all though they are few and far between, and a bit boring at present. the newsletter not the members ;D i am looking at an online magazine, similar to the one from american TM forum, had a few guys interested in writing for us, (sorry if i've not replied to you yet, its on my todo list) was gonna ask you mike if you fancied doing something and still will, little bit of negativity wouldn't put me off and i like reading your blog posts so worth a punt in asking. hey! ya don't ask, ya never know. ;)
and anyone else who fancies themselves as a budding columnist. and not just work related, health and fitness, music, cars bikes, anything really. just trying to find someone who can put it all together on the cheap.
was gonna call it the TACCA bi monthly but with all this gay talk from billy and paul, might have to rename it the TACCA bi sexual ;D ohhhhh come on!!!, lighten up will ya FFS. ;D
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Headline news
Carpet cleaner drunk in a pub on a friday night - shock horror !
Most carpet cleaner days out start with a boozy night, followed by a day of education/meeting suppliers/demonstrations, followed by another boozy night - nothing changes.
We're carpet cleaners, not MP's or royalty - we have no need for keeping up appearances among ourselves.
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Organising anything takes time and effort.
I say well done to Derek for what he's achieved so far.
Whatever comes of this you can't fault his effort and belief.
I'm a mere passenger and intend to remain as such.
There do seem to be a number of people with strong opinions. Some appear to put them across in a fairly articulate way. They are however, making a lot of noise in the wrong place and thus I suspect have personal agenda's, and / or misplaced and large ego's.
Easy to sit behind a keyboard and criticise, not so to stand up and be counted.
Anyone serious, then just contact Derek privately and take it from there.
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Now this thread seems to be getting on a more even keel, I'll come out from lurking & post...
I joined TACCA because it promised to do more in the way of promoting to the general public than NCCA (of which we are members, too). Since joining, the biggest benefit has been the meet-ups, and I'm really looking forward to the one in March - I reckon we learnt more really useful stuff there than in all the other training days I've been to, and we were able to give the benefit of our own experience (we have been doing it since 1993).
I share a little reservation about the structure of the organisation, and I don't think Andrew's posts, originally at least, were outrageous, but we'll see how it works out - one day it will probably have to change. In the meantime, we're benefiting from the meet-ups, there's some hope that it will promote good standards in the business, and communicate with potential customers, so we're sticking with it.
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Every organisation big and small including corporate business have issues with people getting ped at meetings and events. Its called life and its what happens.
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lots of points to answer....
to say that the behaviour of members on here in of no consequence as the public don't see it is I think flawed, are you saying that member alter their fundamental behaviour on CIU as I believe people tend to be as the seam, if they appear intelligent* on here they tend to be intelligent* in person
* I use the word 'intelligent' only as a example you could replace it with racist, sexist planet hugging etc..etc the point is people are as they seam.
carpet cleaners getting drunk on a friday night... no problem with that but do you think at a get together where you are putting your self forward as a potential representative of our industry and trying to recruit members it is sensible?.
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I think you're concerns are unnecessary in this instance Mike.
Firstly, the incident in question happened 3 years ago and neither CCDO or CLEAN exist anymore.
Secondly, Derek doesn't drink ;D
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Does TACCA. Exist outside of this forum?
most of the topics start to follow the same theme of a few member sharing daft jokes, or praise for Derek having the gumption to give it a go which seams to be the stock response for any criticism of TACCA
Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler mustaches
Agreed ;D
I also think if suppliers or non CIP member's knew the way 'key member's' conducted themselves on this forum they would probably retract their association with it :o
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carpet cleaners getting drunk on a friday night... no problem with that but do you think at a get together where you are putting your self forward as a potential representative of our industry and trying to recruit members it is sensible?.
If it were the annual general meeting of Alcoholic Anonymous, you may have a point, but where on earth is the harm in a group of otherwise thoroughly professional people letting their hair down, having a few beers and a laugh at a private get-together?
This calls into question the goings on at millions of Christmas parties which, following Mike's logic, should be banned as bad advertising because, perish the thought, the public might get to hear of their antics and turn against the company involved, yet they do the very same thing at their Christmas party. Hmmm.
Simon
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Does TACCA. Exist outside of this forum?
most of the topics start to follow the same theme of a few member sharing daft jokes, or praise for Derek having the gumption to give it a go which seams to be the stock response for any criticism of TACCA
Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler mustaches
Agreed ;D
I also think if suppliers or non CIP member's knew the way 'key member's' conducted themselves on this forum they would probably retract their association with it :o
I think you will find it was them who bought the drinks in the first place. ;D
You should go to one of Hydrmaster's day outs, free booze all day...terrible public relations tho ;D
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thoroughly professional people letting their hair down,
Simon
Have you seen the flaw in your logic here Simon??? ;D ;D
most of us don't have hair.. :P
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but where on earth is the harm in a group of otherwise thoroughly professional people letting their hair down, having a few beers and a laugh at a private get-together? Simon
You're exactly right there, as that's all it will ever be, "a few people having a few beers at a private function" (until of course it's managed properly) ::)roll
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Funny, isn't it, you're the only one complaining about how TACCA is managed and you're not even a member, please don't join ;D
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Funny, isn't it, you're the only one complaining about how TACCA is managed and you're not even a member, please don't join ;D
Er, have you read some of the other posts? ???
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mike i dont need to tell you that derek used to be a prolific poster on here and not all his posts were sensible ones . however since forming tacca his posts have been in keeping with his position as the founder of what i believe will be a leading organisation for our trade in the future.
as for people posting praise for dereek and tacca, have you met him ?. i have met him twice and the man is sound, i did not see him drunk and you can only speak as you find, he is motivated and determined and if he cant make tacca work then no one can.
There is an old saying "walk before you run" and that is what tacca is doing, if members were asked to pay subscriptions for a new organisation with no track record then i doubt there would be many but by building the membership up slowly and establishing a trust and track record with actions not words members will have confidence in what is being done and when the membership grows to the point where we can talk of committees to help run things and subscriptions to help pay for things maybe tacca will have a real chance at success for all of us.
derek 240 members in the short time tacca has been running, thats about a third of what the ncca has after over 30 years brilliant lets hope tacca can keep growing and achieve all its aims.
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Derek only wishes he could let his hair down!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D
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Creighton,
Well said, Sir.
I think what people are missing here is that Derek has built TACCA from the ground up through his own efforts and resources and that alone bestows huge respect upon the man and should, by rights have even those who are not with him, tipping their caps to him, if for no other reason than he has at least had the balls to stand up, stick his head above the parapet and actually do something, despite the best efforts of the naysayers and hecklers.
Simon
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I know exactly what Derek has gone through to get this up and running, you can't help but admire the bloke! ( I had to say that, he's feeling inadequate as his blower is not as powerful as mine)
I don't agree with everything Tacca does, same as i don't agree with everything the NCCA do, but they're both trying to improve our industry!
Well Done Derek, May it continue!
P.s
There will be no Mercy at the TACCA day!!!! Your getting your ass kicked end of!!!!!! Remember the story of David and Goliath, So bring it on Big Boy!!! :-* :-*
:D :D :D
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NCCA might be run by old fogeys but they are professional old fogeys who always maintain a professional attitude....if it came to who I would choose to represent our industry these old fogeys would be my first choice
Don't tell me you've not seen the picture of the ex-NCCA director cleaning in the buff which was on the forums at one point?
It was what it was, a bit of silliness.
If you haven't seen it I'm sure Mr Russell has it in his private collection. ;D ;)
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If you haven't seen it I'm sure Mr Russell has it in his private collection. ;D ;)
How did you know?
Isn't that the same person doing the solutions course?
Fairplay to him having the bottle to do it! Mind you, i can't say much after my picture on xmas day, showing off my new slippers! ;D ;D ;D
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Like I said anything seen as critism of TACCA get the stock answer of what a great guy Derek is and what a fab job he's done ::)roll which is'nt in question I agree with that sentiment. I have met Derek he is a decent bloke
My comment are about how TACCA. Could be perceived by potential members. The fact that the general public will not see the post here is irrelevant, the people who will see it are potential members.
I gave an example of a CLEAN founder not acting professional as an instance of how an organisation can suffer from the image it projects this incident was actually pointed out to me by another antendee ,
I knew my post would be unpopular but the posts involving TACCA do not show it in the best light,
If I could offer any advice it would be to create a simple statement and post it when ever someone post about or criticises TACCA . Something like this.....
TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by member, potential members or members of the public, we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, We offer an open invitation to visit our training day where any question can be openly discussed.
Allowing members to blab away and make pointless jokes does it no favours
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Mike H Said
Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler mustaches
Ian Says
Although obviouly I agree with you The NCCA was founded in diffrent times . I do not think there was the internet , or mobile phones. Business was very formal.
I think it was a mirricle and would involved a Network of Telephone Calls to get it started.
Would be facinating.
Its a bit of a shame NCCA Directors do not come on here but unfortuanley they would loose their dignity if they joined in the banter which makes this such a great place.
Although I have seen President of NCCA congratulate Derek on Facebook
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My comment are about how TACCA. Could be perceived by potential members. The fact that the general public will not see the post here is irrelevant, the people who will see it are potential members.
So Derek should discipline his members for not showing TACCA off in its best light because they possess a sense of humour? ???
Pants down boys, it's six of the best time ;D
Mike, your comments make little sense to me, its as though you think potential members of TACCA will judge it and be put off it by the sense of humour or otherwise of its members, which has nothing to do with TACCA, the entity. I think people will judge it by what TACCA can do for them, as do potential members of the NCCA.
Simon
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The test will come when member's are forced (obliged) to pay a subscription (or whatever), how many out of the current 240 member's will stay, how many will pay but will demand changes ???
My main question still remains and the silence is deafening,
Why is the founder of TACCA reluctant to form a proper constituted democratic committee now?
Is there a hidden motif ???
Is he afraid of 'losing control' of his 'baby' ???
Does he think he s going to get 'rich' from TACCA ???
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At some point TACCA will need a committee to be credible.
This was Andrews main point which others mentioned they agree with, why not address those concerns instead of surrounding on him like a pack of hyaenas?
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At some point TACCA will need a committee to be credible.
This was Andrews main point which others mentioned they agree with, why not address those concerns instead of surrounding on him like a pack of hyaenas?
The guy is acting like an idiot. He made his point and wont stop banging on about it like some little child. Thats why.
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TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
(cheers for that mike)
Can i also add that getting drunk at the training day is an option and not a requirement. ;D
forced to pay membership ;D ;D ;D Andrew or whatever you name is, you crack me up. ;D ;D forced ;D ;D
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TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
(cheers for that mike)
Can i also add that getting drunk at the training day is an option and not a requirement. ;D
forced to pay membership ;D ;D ;D Andrew or whatever you name is, you crack me up. ;D ;D forced ;D ;D
If anyone thinks that this is really a credible professional mature person to be President of a National Cleaning Industry Association like TACCA, then they must be off their rocker!!
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What you have to remember is this forum is only a place where things are discussed.
Obviously there are more discussions on Tacca elswhere, ie facebook group page and tacca forum for members.
it would be un professional to discuss HOW to operate Tacca other than from the Tacca forum. Not to say that you cant have a view on here about how it should be run.
As Derek has stated people are welcome to come to the Tacca open day/training day and put forward their views.
I attended the last events and found them inspiring and also a time to meet socially (sorry get p*ssed )/
Srangley Derek and several others who have been accused of using inapropriate banter where not at the social gathering the night before, I didnt see anyone (ok 1) worse the wear for alcohol. Ok 1 person got lost and couldnt find their way home, they are being fitted with a sat nav to enable them to find their way home in a quiet appropriate manner.
I have also attended Clean meets and although alcohol was consumed on the premises, no one was in a drunken state.
Have attended Ccdo events and only heard of 1 person getting drunk.
Everyone has a choice wether to attend or not, thats democracy.
Andrew
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What you have to remember is this forum is only a place where things are discussed.
Obviously there are more discussions on Tacca elswhere, ie facebook group page and tacca forum for members.
it would be un professional to discuss HOW to operate Tacca other than from the Tacca forum. Not to say that you cant have a view on here about how it should be run.
As Derek has stated people are welcome to come to the Tacca open day/training day and put forward their views.
I attended the last events and found them inspiring and also a time to meet socially (sorry get p*ssed )/
Srangley Derek and several others who have been accused of using inapropriate banter where not at the social gathering the night before, I didnt see anyone (ok 1) worse the wear for alcohol. Ok 1 person got lost and couldnt find their way home, they are being fitted with a sat nav to enable them to find their way home in a quiet appropriate manner.
I have also attended Clean meets and although alcohol was consumed on the premises, no one was in a drunken state.
Have attended Ccdo events and only heard of 1 person getting drunk.
Everyone has a choice wether to attend or not, thats democracy.
Andrew
You are missing the point. It's not about 'get togethers' (as nice as they are) it's about this:-
My main question still remains and the silence is deafening,
Why is the founder of TACCA reluctant to form a proper constituted democratic committee now?
Is there a hidden motif ???
Is he afraid of 'losing control' of his 'baby' ???
Does he think he s going to get 'rich' from TACCA ???
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Maybe you could give him a call, I have done in the past .
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What you have to remember is this forum is only a place where things are discussed.
Obviously there are more discussions on Tacca elswhere, ie facebook group page and tacca forum for members.
it would be un professional to discuss HOW to operate Tacca other than from the Tacca forum. Not to say that you cant have a view on here about how it should be run.
As Derek has stated people are welcome to come to the Tacca open day/training day and put forward their views.
I attended the last events and found them inspiring and also a time to meet socially (sorry get p*ssed )/
Srangley Derek and several others who have been accused of using inapropriate banter where not at the social gathering the night before, I didnt see anyone (ok 1) worse the wear for alcohol. Ok 1 person got lost and couldnt find their way home, they are being fitted with a sat nav to enable them to find their way home in a quiet appropriate manner.
I have also attended Clean meets and although alcohol was consumed on the premises, no one was in a drunken state.
Have attended Ccdo events and only heard of 1 person getting drunk.
Everyone has a choice wether to attend or not, thats democracy.
Andrew
You are missing the point. It's not about 'get togethers' (as nice as they are) it's about this:-
My main question still remains and the silence is deafening,
Why is the founder of TACCA reluctant to form a proper constituted democratic committee now?
Is there a hidden motif ???
Is he afraid of 'losing control' of his 'baby' ???
Does he think he s going to get 'rich' from TACCA ???
TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
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Maybe you could give him a call, I have done in the past .
What a good idea!! But why the secrecy I just dont know ???
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What you have to remember is this forum is only a place where things are discussed.
Obviously there are more discussions on Tacca elswhere, ie facebook group page and tacca forum for members.
it would be un professional to discuss HOW to operate Tacca other than from the Tacca forum. Not to say that you cant have a view on here about how it should be run.
As Derek has stated people are welcome to come to the Tacca open day/training day and put forward their views.
I attended the last events and found them inspiring and also a time to meet socially (sorry get p*ssed )/
Srangley Derek and several others who have been accused of using inapropriate banter where not at the social gathering the night before, I didnt see anyone (ok 1) worse the wear for alcohol. Ok 1 person got lost and couldnt find their way home, they are being fitted with a sat nav to enable them to find their way home in a quiet appropriate manner.
I have also attended Clean meets and although alcohol was consumed on the premises, no one was in a drunken state.
Have attended Ccdo events and only heard of 1 person getting drunk.
Everyone has a choice wether to attend or not, thats democracy.
Andrew
You are missing the point. It's not about 'get togethers' (as nice as they are) it's about this:-
My main question still remains and the silence is deafening,
Why is the founder of TACCA reluctant to form a proper constituted democratic committee now?
Is there a hidden motif ???
Is he afraid of 'losing control' of his 'baby' ???
Does he think he s going to get 'rich' from TACCA ???
TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
Why cant you answer the question's on here Mr West ???
Do you have something to hide or you're not telling us?
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Maybe you could give him a call, I have done in the past .
What a good idea!! But why the secrecy I just dont know ???
;D seriously? pot kettle and black not spring to mind? ;D
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TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions, even from complete idiots can be openly discussed. ;D
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Why not answer the question's in a mature manner rather than post attempts to 'fudge' the issues?
You would do yourself more credit by answering the questions?
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andrew i think your question has been answered in a number of posts but you prefer to con tinually bait derek.
i am going to the tacca training day and i will be staying over for two nights so whilst i cant promise to get rat ars@d and roll over on the floor and make a fool of myself i WILL do my best to get drunk and have a good time with my fellow carpet cleaners in our undemocratic dictatorship.
now where did i put my copy of maen kampf ?
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andrew i think your question has been answered in a number of posts but you prefer to con tinually bait derek.
i am going to the tacca training day and i will be staying over for two nights so whilst i cant promise to get rat ars@d and roll over on the floor and make a fool of myself i WILL do my best to get drunk and have a good time with my fellow carpet cleaners in our undemocratic dictatorship.
now where did i put my copy of maen kampf ?
I've missed the answer's then, can you tell me the answer to the question then please? :D
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TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
Andrew, you'd be welcome to attend the TACCA day, it's being held at the YMCA in Lands End on the 21st of June, see you there.
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LISTEN TO SIMON WHAT HE SAYS IS RIGHT :)
failing that why dont you fill in all your profile details properly so that everyone on the forum knows who you are. i am sure if people see your website and realise that you are a bonofide carpet cleaner with a genuine interest in the carpet cleaning world you might get a better response to your questions.
no one likes to give information to an anonymous entity
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andrew i think your question has been answered in a number of posts but you prefer to con tinually bait derek.
i am going to the tacca training day and i will be staying over for two nights so whilst i cant promise to get rat ars@d and roll over on the floor and make a fool of myself i WILL do my best to get drunk and have a good time with my fellow carpet cleaners in our undemocratic dictatorship.
now where did i put my copy of maen kampf ?
I've missed the answer's then, can you tell me the answer to the question then please? :D
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Sorry, Derek, did you say;
TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed. ???
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How old are you lot,out of interest.?
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yes, and here it is for the hard of hearing.
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i'm too old for this joe. ;D
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yes, and here it is for the hard of hearing.
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Erm, Derek, have you got a version for blind people? ;D
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Wait for the usual avalanche of smiling face icons........
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LISTEN TO SIMON WHAT HE SAYS IS RIGHT :)
failing that why dont you fill in all your profile details properly so that everyone on the forum knows who you are. i am sure if people see your website and realise that you are a bonofide carpet cleaner with a genuine interest in the carpet cleaning world you might get a better response to your questions.
no one likes to give information to an anonymous entity
dereks younger than me 8)
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Wait for the usual avalanche of smiling face icons........
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Why don't we start our own association Joe, Norfolk Carpet Cleaners Association?
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great idea you wont even have to design your own logo ;D
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failing that why dont you fill in all your profile details properly so that everyone on the forum knows who you are. i am sure if people see your website and realise that you are a bonofide carpet cleaner with a genuine interest in the carpet cleaning world you might get a better response to your questions.
no one likes to give information to an anonymous entity
You're wasting your time mate, I tried making the same observations and suggestion but Mr AH decided to ignore that point.
So pot kettle and black
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Forget this tacca and ncca thing the way forward is NACCA
"service with integrity" NCCA
not sure what tacca's (Dereks) is ???
But NACCA's is going to be "cleaners with big balls" it cant fail :-\
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This is getting boring.....please come along to the day...Paul & Billy are looking for something to spit roast.. ;D ;D
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This is getting boring.....please come along to the day...Paul & Billy are looking for something to spit roast.. ;D ;D
If less than 40 people are going to be there split between 8 hours or so, then it wont be much of a day :-\
However, I await with anticipation for all the wonderful photos of you all smiling and having a lovely time together 8)
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Andrew i refer to my previous observation, please for the sake of our sanity give it a rest, you made your point, many many times we get it :'( :'( :'( :'(
A mild form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. A collection of very irritating personality traits that include stubbornness, orderliness, and a desire to control others and their surroundings. It makes a person meticulous or fixated about little things, nit-picking or paying extreme attention to detail, and trying to control his or her environment and other people. They do things “by the book’’ with no flexibility in the way they complete tasks, and expect others to do and think as they. It’s their way or the highway, basically. They are the worst people to work for or live with. My roommate is a good example. He irons his underwear because he doesn’t want the wrinkles, assuming people will see them or care. He always must have his room spotless in every detail, including making his bed to perfection before going to work. Before he puts dishes in the dishwasher, he washes them thoroughly, defeating his purpose for the dishwasher. And he must have the dishes in the washer sitting at a certain angle, for fear they wont get cleaned. He will also literally pick tiny particles from the living room carpet, before using the vacuum cleaner. Psychologists say that anally retentive people’s habits—often controlling, if things don’t go their way, they go nuts! Anally retentive people are usually very annoyin...
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How do you ( or why would you want to) split people between 8 hours? - Or any number of hours? I'd have thought a better measure of success would be multiplying the number of people by the hours.
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Andrew i refer to my previous observation, please for the sake of our sanity give it a rest, you made your point, many many times we get it :'( :'( :'( :'(
A mild form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. A collection of very irritating personality traits that include stubbornness, orderliness, and a desire to control others and their surroundings. It makes a person meticulous or fixated about little things, nit-picking or paying extreme attention to detail, and trying to control his or her environment and other people. They do things “by the book’’ with no flexibility in the way they complete tasks, and expect others to do and think as they. It’s their way or the highway, basically. They are the worst people to work for or live with. My roommate is a good example. He irons his underwear because he doesn’t want the wrinkles, assuming people will see them or care. He always must have his room spotless in every detail, including making his bed to perfection before going to work. Before he puts dishes in the dishwasher, he washes them thoroughly, defeating his purpose for the dishwasher. And he must have the dishes in the washer sitting at a certain angle, for fear they wont get cleaned. He will also literally pick tiny particles from the living room carpet, before using the vacuum cleaner. Psychologists say that anally retentive people’s habits—often controlling, if things don’t go their way, they go nuts! Anally retentive people are usually very annoyin...
That explains why he's full off it. ;D