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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: irving on February 16, 2013, 08:26:00 am
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Hi, I am looking to buy a new portable to replace my Ashby's Ninja 400, what would you recommend, what is a better machine! The Ninja is good when it don't give me problems, but there have been to many problems in the 3 years I have had it! Any recomendations!
Many thanks ::)roll
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Other than reliability what do you want to improve about your current set up?
Weight
Length of Hose Runs
Capacity
Heat
Ease of maintenance
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What problems you had...only problem I've had
is replacing vac motors...oh and pump seals and
mine's nearly 4 years old.
For the spec I'd go for Alltecs 1200psi one with
triple vacs but the weight puts me off and paying
that much for a porty you could get a second hand
Prowler.
So Ashbys Enforcer ticks the boxes for me.
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I had the Ninja a good basic machine but in my opinion seriously let down by service from Ashby's so i got rid of it, been using a Cleansmart Airflex turbo for the past two and half years, it's a very good workhorse for me more powerful than the Ninja so i can use two inch hose which is great, always leave it outside homes and keep up to 150ft hose in the van for every eventuality, cant fault it at all when i have carried out maintenance Frank the engineer talked me through it step by step, although the vac motors when they do go are so easy to change because everything is easily accessible, it's basically a well designed, powerful, and reliable machine backed up by excellent service from Mat who runs Cleansmart. do not under estimate the back up once you have the machine,for me it ticks all the boxes and to top it all it looks good too.
Of course other machine are about and the owners of them love them too, i thought the Ninja was about the best and this turned out to be an expensive mistake so choose carefully, good luck
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Ive had my ninjas for 5 years now they have never let me down i've replaced 3 vac motors, 2 bell ends and 1 pump in all that time between both machines. I do my own servicing and repairs, drain and rinse out tank after every clean, Run the vacs for 3 minutes after every clean, run clean water through the system once a week and never overfull the waste tank. I am totally happy with the ninja. Check your wiring on a regular basis as they do corrode and replace them with new lugs.
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After speaking to alltec I think they are discontinuing the triple vac for the 2 x 6.6 vac evolution which is a bit lighter and easier to work on, but like Jamie says, get a list of things you want from a new machine and then tick them off.
Shaun
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Providing you live nowhere near me, I would suggest the Jaguar 6.6 but if you do live within my working area ....... go for any other machine out there ;D
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If you want a 6.6 machine i would go for the Alltec Evolution for the following reasons ...
Quality design , proper waste tank design , quality switch panel , proper silencing , proper accessibility to components . Two water heaters . Immersion + Inline
Quality in general .
This vid shows some of the Alltec design features and accessibility ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I5H7GID39g
It really puts the pretentious plastic pram to shame :-X
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I have the Alltec Advance 600psi and it's great.
It is heavy but this is omly noticable when you have no choice but to take it up stairs. Most of the time you can work from the ground to third floor with no noticable issue with performance (aside from solution not always the hottest by the time it gets down).
Happy to recommend this machine.
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Not needing to get into a debate over which 6.6 is the prettiest or most powerful but I understand the contract cleaners at Parliament are using Alltec machines and clean @ a third of my price ........ odd that I do a lot of apartments there and will be cleaning the most important areas in advance of the state opening :-X
ps ......if you do use detergent chemicals that require high temperatures, then the heated machines will be best suited to your needs.
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Ease of maintenance because I live on the Isle of Wight and the cost to get to the mainland! Wednesday I sent my Ninja 400 by currier to Ashby's, but it never arrived, machine have got lost in a traffic accident I am been told and the only compensation I will get is £ 84.50, that is what they are saying! The blinking machichine cost me £ 4500.00 for 2 years ago! I don't knw if this is correct bjut the currier have told me I am only insured for £ 1.50 per kilo!!!! Thanks for the replyes!!! Got a bit of a bad head!!
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Sorry to hear of your experience with courier :o Luckily for me, Solutions will send a tailor made case for Jaguar so you load in, close, sign and send straight back etc.
Watched that video for Alltec machine and it shapes up as a good solid machine, if you like the dated design ......... 20 kg heavier than Jaguar 6.6 and I noticed it would be £475 extra for the auto fill / auto dump options ..... on a machine that is already £590 dearer to start ::)roll
My last three portables all had single or double heaters ....... only used them to test they worked, so even they were a wasted cost !!
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I had a Jag 6.6 for about 18 months, fantastic machine and Nicks service is second to none.
I recently decided to move the machine on and retire my Prowler (which is still for sale!) as it was still in good condition and after many weeks of researching... i decided on the Enforcer.
Only used it on a few jobs so far, loaded with the new Electro 5.7 motors it performs very well indeed.
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Chris ... dated design ? the jag is the recoil /revolver body from the 80's or sometime BC . ;D If you like it thats great , i just cant see how anyone would choose it over what else is out there now .
Russ , a detail review of the Enforcer would be great sometime ... how do you find series performance , did you get a heater onboard .
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and will be cleaning the most important areas in advance of the state opening :-X
I saw the Sate Opening last year. when Black Rod slipped over, and was overheard saying, "sodding wet carpets!" >:(
;D
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Hi John
Like i said its early days and i am still kind of getting to grips with the machine.
I decided to downscale my business due to other commitments, however after using a TM i kind of got used to the heat it produced and required a machine which could offer high heat.
Im not going to make a comparison between Enforcer and Jag... two completely different machine and both with their separate merits.
I can only tell you what i think of it so far...
I opted for the two 5.7 motors, one HD and one standard both are plumbed in "series"
Also had the 3000w in tank heater, auto fill and the auto drain feature fitted as an extra.
A quality remote control setup was also added which works very well... even through thick walls.
A new V2 steam mate was also added.
Yesterday morning i cleaned an 80/20 using 50' of 2" hose, pressure was set to 200 psi, 90 deg c heat on the V2, auto fill and dump connected.
Carpets were moderately dirty and i decided to use MPower with a a light agitation.
I have to say where the Enforcer may lack the CFM of the parallel machines, it makes up for in the increased lift, at the end of the job the carpets were about the same moisture level as they would of been if i had used my jag... maybe even drier because of the added heat.
In the after noon i cleaned a 2 seat settee (usual acrylic DFS type) the enforcer's increased lift definitely left the fabric drier rinsing at 150 psi with my 5" CFR tool.
The auto fill works very well and is mounted to a recessed fresh water lid, any drips simply fall into the lid and is drained back into the tank.
The auto dump works extremely well... simple gravity flow, when the vacs are turned off a one way check valve allows the waste to pass, emptying the entire tank in a matter of seconds... This can all be done by the remote control which also cleverly triggers an electronic delay system which starts each vac motor one after the other to avoid overload.
So far i like it...
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That's a nice review Russ as you're not comparing any machines just looking at what you want and like about the machine.
Tbh ashbys customer service does let them down but their machinery options and special ideas ie v2 make you want to buy more, keep us posted there will be of course plus and negative points but everyone do need to know.
Shaun
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John, I only suggested dated design as the Alltec machine, put me in mind of my old Prochem SteamEasy 400 ......fibreglass bodied !!
I think the Jaguar 6.6 shape reminds me of an old Stimvak Toto machine I used to use ......back in the 80s (AD) ::)roll
If I was younger and not wanting a lighter, more manouverable machine, or if I needed heat .... then my machine choice may or may not be different.
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All the new machines over the past few years are great and will do a good job. Its like buying a car some like bmw, some like vauxhall or ford but at the end of the day the are all more or less the same. They all have good points and bad points and as we are all different and will like some and not others.
I must say service does make a big difference and i recently bought a storm as i like the look and design of the machine for what i want.
Chris has opted for the Jag for different reasons but again from a supplier with great service.
Guys dont get too worked up with the different machines as they will all do a great job and more or less similar in performance. However if you are lucky enough to live near a decent service supplier then thats the one you buy ;)
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Hi Guys
Personally I preferthe fibre glass bodies to the dustbin on wheels look.
My Altec was undoubtedly the most relaible machine I have owned and I like the fact I can drive there in 90 mins if I have problems.
I would never dispense with heat.
I know you can replace it to a certain extent with agitation but it is a long winded way of going about it.
I know Jim has been very pleased with his Airflex and of the 'plastic'
machines it definitely looks the best
Cheers
Doug
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Russ
You seemed to have gone through quite a lot of machines in quite a short space of time!
I have a couple of Scorpions! the newest was buit to order last September, I had the Jag for about eight months and loved the power it had, but after eight number two motors blowing on me, I'd had enough
I used to run three ninjas and two of them had piggy back motors, and although they had three motors in series and seem to have a lot of suction i found the Scorpion left the carpets cleaner and drier set up in the paralelle
Saying that the Scorpion/Jag must be of the worst build quality on this Planet! Sorry Edd but thats my oppinion! All the other machines ive had in my twenty two years of being a carpet cleaner have the basic requirements! ie efective vacume shut offs, The Scorpion and jag dosent it has a huge gap in between the two tanks so when you are filling it up its quite easy to spill fluid down it and onto the electrics
Its also a pig to work on and as other folk have already stated very dated 80s body, the good points has to be the weight! it is quite light for its size and if you are working by yourself and have to take it up a staircase it isn't hard As ive already said my latest Scorpion was new last Septemmber but was a replacement for the Jag, If i were in the market for a new porty today i think i would go for the Storm! its well put together, Exellent build quality, Very easy to work on and i would go for the Magna heater as well
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Good review Russ , sound like you have top spec there ! two heaters auto dump etc
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Russ
Are The %.7 motors diffrent to what ashbys have been using for years . Is the pump diffrent.
Got an email talking about using underpwered machine yesterday from Ashbys encouraging switch to enforcer but I cannot see where extra power is
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John areyou coming to the tacca day
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Everyone is different and Paul has a good point, some machines may not be as suitable as others but then its how they are treated and cared for which will determine how long they last and how reliable they are.
In my opinion as a former Jag owner i have never had any problems with my machine so i cant complain.
Ian, as far as i know they are using the Electo 5.7 motors which i believe to have a performance increase compared to the Lamb motors (John will confirm im sure) they are fitted with air seals which add better protection against moisture. My advice would be to test the machine out with 100' of 2" hose to the wand and see what you think...
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Ease of maintenance because I live on the Isle of Wight and the cost to get to the mainland! Wednesday I sent my Ninja 400 by currier to Ashby's, but it never arrived, machine have got lost in a traffic accident I am been told and the only compensation I will get is £ 84.50, that is what they are saying! The blinking machichine cost me £ 4500.00 for 2 years ago! I don't knw if this is correct bjut the currier have told me I am only insured for £ 1.50 per kilo!!!! Thanks for the replyes!!! Got a bit of a bad head!!
The courier may be correct. When ever I've sent items for repair I always insure it for it's replacement value, you're right to feel let down as they should of asked the value and recommended you insure it.
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John areyou coming to the tacca day
Me ? Regrettably i wouldn't make it this year , but is sounds a fantastic event . :)
Ian , vacuum wise , as far as i know Ashbys are using some vacs from these guys ...
http://www.electromtr.com/about.htm
Electro have several different models (all 5.7 ) so i couldn't say for sure which are in the Enforcer ...
But electro would have two basic types .... the tapered fan motors ( like a 6.6 inside ) and the lower powered flat fan motors ( like the usual lamb motor )
But they have a few of each type with varying power ratings .
Its likely at least one of the Enforcers motors is likely to be the 230v version of this ...
http://www2.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4762
A high airwatt motor as you can see ...
The tapered fan motors have a slightly rounded bottom and need a thicker gasket to sit on than the flat motors ...
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With regard to the reliability or should i say the unreliability of the Jaguar! I know there are people on Cleantalk that have tried to slate me with regards to no me not looking after my equipment! but ive had my original Scorpion for six years now and have used it for many thousands of hours without any motors failing! If i diddnt look after my equipment the same thing would of happened with my Scorpion but hasn't so it can only be a manifactures problem,as i recall Joe hatton who was virtually part time had gone through three number two vacume motors as well as severall other folk, are all these people abusing there equipment as well? no i think not, no The Jaguar was just a badly designed machine and that was why they had to make changes to it as they were replacing motors on a monumental scale
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Stuart, i think Joe was just a general cleaner that did a few carpets along the way.
You can get a duff machine like you can get a duff car. You may have just had a bad machine.
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It would be very interesting if there was a test on motors themselves to work out the best vacuum configuration for carpet cleaning then the best way to set them.
I'm not sure that suppliers play ball as they have to be unique as well as believing in 'their' product every machine has an Achilles heal.
Shaun
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There is nothing wrong with the motors, but it was the motors that were getting the blame at the time! The main problem i see in the Jaguar is that there isn't enough airflow around the motors and all that heat is trapped in, I spoke to somone in the states whom had similar problems with his machine, he took out the silencer and solved the problem, the other machines with two 6.6 motors have ventilation motors in the body
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The Safeclean franchise had the choice between the Scorpion and the Airflex Turbo - they went with the Turbo
A couple of years later they had the choice between the Jaguar and the Airflex Storm - they went with the Storm.
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as Terry Tibbs would say, "Airflex Storm, Talk to me!" ;D
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That Altec looks like a good machine, well built. I'm not arsed what it looks like as long as it does the job right, I don't think we are going to win or lose any customers because our machines isn't as good looking as the competitors.
Does anyone own one of them machines? Would be interested in having a look.
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I think Safecclean had the Scorpion originaly but soon ditched it for the airflex
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Ease of maintenance because I live on the Isle of Wight and the cost to get to the mainland! Wednesday I sent my Ninja 400 by currier to Ashby's, but it never arrived, machine have got lost in a traffic accident I am been told and the only compensation I will get is £ 84.50, that is what they are saying! The blinking machichine cost me £ 4500.00 for 2 years ago! I don't knw if this is correct bjut the currier have told me I am only insured for £ 1.50 per kilo!!!! Thanks for the replyes!!! Got a bit of a bad head!!
The courier may be correct. When ever I've sent items for repair I always insure it for it's replacement value, you're right to feel let down as they should of asked the value and recommended you insure it.
I think it was very bad never even offer me insurance, and they still have no idea where the accident happened or what is happened to the remains, I got a bad feeling that they are not telling me the tru!
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I got my eyes on the Airflex Storm, so now it could be a question of how quick they can deliver! The only question I got, is because I am used to the auto chemical feed on my ninja and the Storm hasn't got that choice as far as I can see, what are you lads doing?
Bjarne
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Auto chemical feed on a portable?? i cant see the point myself... if your pre spray and agitation stage has been correctly carried out then the only thing you may need to add straight to the tank would be an acidic product.
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John areyou coming to the tacca day
Speaking to a few of the lads on here I get the impression not many people are, and they're in fact fed up with those 4 letter's being mentioned!
The other thing they get pi%%ed off about is aparant 'know it alls' leaving general unhelpful belittling sarcastic comment's to their questions.
;)
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as Terry Tibbs would say, "Airflex Storm, Talk to me!" ;D
think that might be my choice!
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Andrew, the only 4 letter word there, is John and I don't see why people would be fed up with that ......... sarcastic enough for you :P ;) ;D
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Could somebody with a Jaguar who is going to the TACCA day take it with them on Cleantalk now they are saying there is no noticeable difference between a Jag and Truckmount if this is true i might sell the trucky and buy the plastic bucket.
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Andrew, the only 4 letter word there, is John and I don't see why people would be fed up with that ......... sarcastic enough for you :P ;) ;D
;D
Its great when one of the CT boys come on :D but have not got the balls to put their real name up :D
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Andrew
When Derek first appeared on here I thought he was an absolute plonker with a very big mouth and a real pain. However, he went on to take every course available to increase his knowledge and with good effective marketing built a strong business where value for money is paramount
He has won over a fair few of the people on here many of whom are of high regard in terms of the businesses they run and their knowledge.
Paul Moss has won the respect and admiration of many through proving his abilities in the industry and being an accomplished communicator.
I don't actually know who else is involved but from the little information gleaned from this forum there appears to be the potential of a driving force to take this industry forward through gaining trust and credibility.
A couple of years ago I would have found great difficulty in praising either Derek or Paul as I found them a bit smart assed. I was wrong !
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Andrew
A couple of years ago I would have found great difficulty in praising either Derek or Paul as I found them a bit smart assed. I was wrong !
Aye.... try a LOT smart arsed :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sussex !!!!!'m
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Like yourself Hector I don't subscribe to the Truckmount being the ONLY way and it's the people rather than their narrow views I commend.
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;D ;D
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To be honest Robert.... there are a lot of good people on here, who frequently give good advice to all who ask...
And go out of their way to be helpful...
And I do like the odd bit of sarcasm... ;D
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Getting back to thread...
What are you looking for from your portable?
The most powerful?
The most capacity?
The lightest?
Easiest to repair?
Customer service?
Hottest?
Smallest?
Quietest?
Are you running from the van?
Shaun
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You know me Paul ........ not particularly shy :-\
All I know about the Jaguar 6.6, is that I have had two carpet cleaners come along and watch it in action ........ they both no longer own truckmounts ........ this is not me being sarcastic or smart, it is simply a fact.
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread ......... we may all drive 5 dr hatchback cars but there are some that swear by Ford, VW or Vauxhall and some that buy on price alone ......... none of us are right & none of us are in the wrong ::)roll
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John areyou coming to the tacca day
Speaking to a few of the lads on here I get the impression not many people are, and they're in fact fed up with those 4 letter's being mentioned!
The other thing they get pi%%ed off about is aparant 'know it alls' leaving general unhelpful belittling sarcastic comment's to their questions.
;)
officially so far, 52 tickets sold as of today 17/02/2013, with quite a few being none members , around 15 guys who have said they are going but have not yet bought a ticket, and i think a few will buy last minute, guessing around 80 on the day plus the trainers and assistants. not sure if that's a lot or not. you can make your own mind up on that one, all i know is i'm looking forward to Jamie convincing me to start encapping. really looking forward to see the end result that paul gets on that antique leather settee. saving me self a few quid when joining checkatrade and the best bit, meeting up with lots of like minded guys, old muckers as well as making a few new friends i hope. plus theres a few guys going that i want to chat with about marketing.
come join us, will be a great day for all.
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When choosing a porty there are quite a few qualities we should be considering just as Shaun has pointed out.
Power is not the be all and end all, build quality, quality of service and value for money are all relevant.
Most of the top line portables on the market will allow the operator to use extended hose lengths of 150'+, this is useful if the machine is to stay on the van, a bit like a TM.
Just as important is for the machine to be easily removed from the van and taken closer to the area which is to be cleaned.
Most of us can only comment on service when something goes wrong... that's when you find out if the supplier is good or bad.
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John areyou coming to the tacca day
Speaking to a few of the lads on here I get the impression not many people are, and they're in fact fed up with those 4 letter's being mentioned!
The other thing they get pi%%ed off about is aparant 'know it alls' leaving general unhelpful belittling sarcastic comment's to their questions.
;)
officially so far, 52 tickets sold as of today 17/02/2013, with quite a few being none members , around 15 guys who have said they are going but have not yet bought a ticket, and i think a few will buy last minute, guessing around 80 on the day plus the trainers and assistants. not sure if that's a lot or not. you can make your own mind up on that one, all i know is i'm looking forward to Jamie convincing me to start encapping. really looking forward to see the end result that paul gets on that antique leather settee. saving me self a few quid when joining checkatrade and the best bit, meeting up with lots of like minded guys, old muckers as well as making a few new friends i hope. plus theres a few guys going that i want to chat with about marketing.
come join us, will be a great day for all.
Less the 'No Shows' and people who are ill. You're going to get a trickle of 4 people coming through the door an hour :o Is it really worth the hassle?
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You should choose a supplier with a good customer service history.. Not necessarily the closest to you, but one who will collect and send out your machine if needed, and who has spare parts that will be delivered next day if you are competent enough to replace them yourself....
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Andrew rather than hi-jack a thread that helps people why not voice your concerns about TACCA here??
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=165857.0
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When choosing a porty there are quite a few qualities we should be considering just as Shaun has pointed out.
Power is not the be all and end all, build quality, quality of service and value for money are all relevant.
Most of the top line portables on the market will allow the operator to use extended hose lengths of 150'+, this is useful if the machine is to stay on the van, a bit like a TM.
Just as important is for the machine to be easily removed from the van and taken closer to the area which is to be cleaned.
Most of us can only comment on service when something goes wrong... that's when you find out if the supplier is good or bad.
What is the Enforcer like for loading /unloading and general maneuverability ?
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John
Position the machine to the van door entrance with the front facing you, using the lower front handle... lift whilst tilting the machine back, the machine will naturally want to fall back onto the upper wheels. It has some handy cable storage handles which double up as sliders for loading.
I believe quite a few other machines have this design for loading and unloading.
As for moving the thing about... well its sturdy mainly because of its weight and the quality locking caster wheels.
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The Scorpion and the Jaguar were made primelary as Truckmounts! Hence the switches located where they are
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Russ
is the Enforser a tripple vac machine ?
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Russ
is the Enforser a tripple vac machine ?
No Stu it uses two Electro 5.7 motors in series.
Designed so both motors and the pump can all run off one 13 amp plug
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Getting back to thread...
What are you looking for from your portable?
The most powerful?
The most capacity?
The lightest?
Easiest to repair?
Customer service?
Hottest?
Smallest?
Quietest?
Are you running from the van?
Shaun
yes I am running from my van and looking for most of the above! Thanks. Bjarne
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If its in the van it doesn't have to be light, if its heat you are after you'll need at least 2 cords.
Shaun
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Hi Russ
You missed the other good thing about the machine, its the power cords which plug into the rear of the machine..A nice finishing touch.
Richard
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If i were to run my machine from my van i could do it with just the one cord, this would run the vacs and pump, i would only need to run a second one for the in tank heater (if i want to pre heat the water going to the V2)
25' of vac and solution hose to the front door connected to the V2, this then heats the warm water to a steady high temperature and then a further 25' to the wand.
Tried this the other day and it worked a treat.
You are right Rich, once both cords are wrapped up you simply push the plugs into storage sockets on the back of the machine.
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Russ
That way would work better for me when i do my block work..Because one of the blocks
only have one plug there which is a pain running my machine at the moment.
Richard
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Russ
Do you find its as powerfull as the Jag ? Ive run two 5.7 motors for years in series in the ninjas and they couldnt match the Scorpion! I noticed a masive difference when I got my Scorpion in terms of much cleaner and drier carpets and even more so when i took delivery of the Jag, the only thing missing was the Heat
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Your Ninja wouldn't of had these new motors loaded Stu...
All i know is that it works fine for me and i have owned and Airflex turbo and Jaguar.
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Russ
Do you find its as powerfull as the Jag ? Ive run two 5.7 motors for years in series in the ninjas and they couldnt match the Scorpion! I noticed a masive difference when I got my Scorpion in terms of much cleaner and drier carpets and even more so when i took delivery of the Jag, the only thing missing was the Heat
There are other powerfull motors other than the 6.6 ...
Compare the Airwatt figure for the 5.7 used in the Enforcer to the airwatt figure for the 6.6 motor here ...
http://dev.ametekfsm.com/Bulletins/122235-00.pdf
http://www2.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4762
You can see the electro threestage produces the exact same power (Airwatts) as the 6.6 .
CFM has been the selling point for 6.6 machine .... but do you ever hear waterlift mentioned , as little as possible ... because its not that impressive in parallel with the two stage 6.6 .
130" total system lift for the parallel 6.6 machines ... and if you search posts by Jan Sullins on cleantalk he states that he struggled to get 120" in testing .
Quoting a high CFM figure of a machine without mentioning lift is a bit like quoting BHP without showing torque in determining a cars performance ... it wont tell you the whole story .
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What ever happened to the 8.4 motor? I'm quite surprised that a single motored machine hasn't been made.
Shaun
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What ever happened to the 8.4 motor? I'm quite surprised that a single motored machine hasn't been made.
Shaun
The 8.4 is still the king power wise ...
About 700airwatts .
There are a few custom builds in the states using them .
Problem is the cost ... almost twice the price of the 600+ airwatt motors for about 60 airwatts gain per motor ..
http://www.applegate.co.uk/listings/stock/tizaro/ametek-lamb-vac-motor/12217818-2528096.html
Although i think some used to pay up to that for to replace 7.2s from dealers here , which was just crazy .
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Could an extractor be made with 2 x 8.4 motors but without loads of cables?
Shaun
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You have the option to have a combination of 5.7 and a 7.2 in the Enforcer.
Apparently there is little to no gain in performance using the 7.2 motor compared to the second 5.7.
Consider the price of a replacement 5.7 against the 7.2 and the choice is simple...
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Could an extractor be made with 2 x 8.4 motors but without loads of cables?
Shaun
Yes ... the 8.4 actually draws about 1 amp less than the 6.6 or high powered 5.7 three stage ..
so about 6.5 amps each in use ... a 400 psi pump is only about 1 - 2 amps
So that would make a nice one cord machine .
This is a pic of a homebrew ETM using two 8.4 and two electros ... bit crude inside although he did finish the front well ... not sure about the name !
http://oi49.tinypic.com/15frl76.jpg
http://oi45.tinypic.com/28v7rc9.jpg
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The beauty of the Ninja and Enforcer is that
you only ever need to run one power cord.
When I set up it's machine off fill up and leave
with heater on.
Pre spray, agitate and set up and by that time
the water is at full temperature.
Switch off heater and get to work and every time
I stop it's machine off and heater on, to be honest
though it loses so little heat over the course of say
30 minutes it's negligible.
Then again it's got a solution tank lid... ;D
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Agreed... its about getting the correct method and timing right!
Did a job the other day and it warranted using my hydroforce, the heated fresh water in the solution tank was enough to supply the in line sprayer which saved me time.
A full 40 litres of cold water takes a good 35 mins to warm up
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I love my Jaguar 6.6 solution tank lid ...... never leave home without it :D
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Haha... mind you Chris... if you did you can always use the other one!
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Russ, I made sure I got both ....... have the Connect with mesh swivel bulkhead and machine is up aginst it behind drivers seat ....... let's just say that I don't always slow down for speed bumps and a bald head does allow 'rain' to run straight down your neck ::)roll
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Andrew
When Derek first appeared on here I thought he was an absolute plonker with a very big mouth and a real pain. However, he went on to take every course available to increase his knowledge and with good effective marketing built a strong business where value for money is paramount
He has won over a fair few of the people on here many of whom are of high regard in terms of the businesses they run and their knowledge.
Paul Moss has won the respect and admiration of many through proving his abilities in the industry and being an accomplished communicator.
I don't actually know who else is involved but from the little information gleaned from this forum there appears to be the potential of a driving force to take this industry forward through gaining trust and credibility.
A couple of years ago I would have found great difficulty in praising either Derek or Paul as I found them a bit smart assed. I was wrong !
"driving force to take this industry forward".....
God, your a crank. This is no more an industry than a door handle polisher!!
Makes me laugh at the fake grandure some people develop when they're involved a low skilled ocupation.
We work hard at a small branch of the BIG TREE called "cleaning".
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Blacky
Your probably right, but my previous job had massive responsibility certainly more than just cleaning a carpet I was out at all hours and it paid PEANUTS. this is much more of a challenge running the business as a whole marketing it and selling it, its more than just getting up and someone telling you what to do, it enables me to manage the business around my family rather than the other way round. who's smarter the graduate working himself into the ground never seeing his family and i know a few of them or most of us who are home by early afternoon to see there kids come home from school.
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A very good response James. The stupid thing about the situation is that we actually miss out on opportunities to clean carpets, mainly because that's all we do!.
A friend of mine started a carpet cleaning business back in 2000. He struggled for the next 5 years to get work and make a living. He decided to moth ball his carpet cleaning equipment and venture into contact and general cleaning. Since doing this he is now constantly bombarded with requests to clean carpets. He now has 3 people full time cleaning carpets and this is despite not promoting it.
The contract cleaning firm that doesn't want carpet cleaning work will get many more requests for this service than the specialist carpet cleaner actively seeking out work.
An example would be,,, if you wanted your car cleaned would you have the valeter clean the whole lot or would you source out another contractor with specialist equipment to clean the interior. The chances are you would let the valeter do the whole car. Cleaning is no different, people want one person they can trust to do every cleaning part of the spectrum. This would result in the valeter doing much more interior work than the specialist interior cleaner with specialist equipment.
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The car valeter example wasn't a good one blacky..