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Title: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: windiewasher on January 29, 2013, 02:58:05 pm
Are they good?ive just ordered one,i have about 3 of the white ones and like them so thought i would get a black,i also have a few other gardiners ones but normailly get the white ones.
cheers
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: dd on January 29, 2013, 03:43:14 pm
I used one for about 9 months and liked it. Positives:

1. Scrubbed well.
2. Soft bristles give a nice feel on the glass and makes scrubbing seem easier and faster.

Negatives:

1. Loses the odd bristle - mine was not too bad but did suffer more wear than usual - others complain about this more.
2. I noticed toward the end of the time I used it that it seemed to lose a lot of scrubbing power (e.g. ability to remove bird poo).
3. It is not as wide as the standard sl brush and so takes more scrubs to cover an area of glass. This means it takes longer to clean the glass and I found this irritating as when I went back to a standard sl brush I speeded up.

The only sill brush I use now is a vikan flocked. I know it is heavy but is the best IMO though I certainly would not want to use it all the time.

I would be tempted to try the white sill brush but get fed up spending £35-£40 every time I decide to try a new Gardiners brush.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Fin Clearview on January 29, 2013, 04:04:47 pm
I've been using the white one for the last 2 months as a mate recommended it. As i have only used the red flocked vikan since going wfp all i can say is i prefer the gardiner's. Much lighter, feels better on the glass but as already said it looses bristles easily. Is there any difference between the white and black apart from the obvious?
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 04:23:20 pm
I used one for about 9 months and liked it. Positives:

1. Scrubbed well.
2. Soft bristles give a nice feel on the glass and makes scrubbing seem easier and faster.

Negatives:

1. Loses the odd bristle - mine was not too bad but did suffer more wear than usual - others complain about this more.
2. I noticed toward the end of the time I used it that it seemed to lose a lot of scrubbing power (e.g. ability to remove bird poo).
3. It is not as wide as the standard sl brush and so takes more scrubs to cover an area of glass. This means it takes longer to clean the glass and I found this irritating as when I went back to a standard sl brush I speeded up.

The only sill brush I use now is a vikan flocked. I know it is heavy but is the best IMO though I certainly would not want to use it all the time.

I would be tempted to try the white sill brush but get fed up spending £35-£40 every time I decide to try a new Gardiners brush.


The softer bristle brushes will wear faster than other bristle types. Drop me an email quoting CIU-DD-29 and I can help you with an equivalent to the Vikan as the new Medium Mixed Sill version is much closer to the Vikan.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: PAUL ERITH on January 29, 2013, 04:31:46 pm
Alex will their be a wide sill brush coming soon or would the wide sill brush be to heavy  ???

Paul
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 05:22:03 pm
I've been using the white one for the last 2 months as a mate recommended it. As i have only used the red flocked vikan since going wfp all i can say is i prefer the gardiner's. Much lighter, feels better on the glass but as already said it looses bristles easily. Is there any difference between the white and black apart from the obvious?


Hi Fin

Drop me an email with a few photos of this bristle loss - see if I can sort this for you.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 05:23:42 pm
Alex will their be a wide sill brush coming soon or would the wide sill brush be to heavy  ???

Paul

We have looked into this and have a few concerns about flex over the width with this design. The tooling development is quite costly and complicated for these brushes so I am waiting until I have finished the new Xtreme brush tooling project before looking at this idea again.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: richard jagger on January 29, 2013, 05:44:44 pm
I like most gardener brushes and still use my first black flocked and white dual trim. They have served me well. But with the best intentions I fell the sill brush as some more development work to be done. I feel the end of the brush needs more support from bristle at  the right and left end of each brush.They feel as if they wobble to much, Ii have all three white, black and red.Thay are not as stable on the glass as the super lite range. By the time the sill brush splays to the sides and work well they are reaching the end of there life. When they are new they feel to me like a Robin reliant with one front wheel.I am not trying to diss this brush only my feelings for what it`s worth.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 06:46:42 pm
I like most gardener brushes and still use my first black flocked and white dual trim. They have served me well. But with the best intentions I fell the sill brush as some more development work to be done. I feel the end of the brush needs more support from bristle at  the right and left end of each brush.They feel as if they wobble to much, Ii have all three white, black and red.Thay are not as stable on the glass as the super lite range. By the time the sill brush splays to the sides and work well they are reaching the end of there life. When they are new they feel to me like a Robin reliant with one front wheel.I am not trying to diss this brush only my feelings for what it`s worth.

No 'dissing' just good feedback. The latest versions do have improved edge definition, bristle density and ability.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Carl@Cwc on January 29, 2013, 07:00:29 pm
I like most gardener brushes and still use my first black flocked and white dual trim. They have served me well. But with the best intentions I fell the sill brush as some more development work to be done. I feel the end of the brush needs more support from bristle at  the right and left end of each brush.They feel as if they wobble to much, Ii have all three white, black and red.Thay are not as stable on the glass as the super lite range. By the time the sill brush splays to the sides and work well they are reaching the end of there life. When they are new they feel to me like a Robin reliant with one front wheel.I am not trying to diss this brush only my feelings for what it`s worth.

No 'dissing' just good feedback. The latest versions do have improved edge definition, bristle density and ability.

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 07:10:13 pm
I like most gardener brushes and still use my first black flocked and white dual trim. They have served me well. But with the best intentions I fell the sill brush as some more development work to be done. I feel the end of the brush needs more support from bristle at  the right and left end of each brush.They feel as if they wobble to much, Ii have all three white, black and red.Thay are not as stable on the glass as the super lite range. By the time the sill brush splays to the sides and work well they are reaching the end of there life. When they are new they feel to me like a Robin reliant with one front wheel.I am not trying to diss this brush only my feelings for what it`s worth.

No 'dissing' just good feedback. The latest versions do have improved edge definition, bristle density and ability.

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.

More bristle bunches, closer together on the edge 5cm of the brush, also all edge bristle bunches starting slightly in from the edge compared to the originals. This has made quite a difference to the usability and longevity of the brush.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Carl@Cwc on January 29, 2013, 07:47:51 pm
I like most gardener brushes and still use my first black flocked and white dual trim. They have served me well. But with the best intentions I fell the sill brush as some more development work to be done. I feel the end of the brush needs more support from bristle at  the right and left end of each brush.They feel as if they wobble to much, Ii have all three white, black and red.Thay are not as stable on the glass as the super lite range. By the time the sill brush splays to the sides and work well they are reaching the end of there life. When they are new they feel to me like a Robin reliant with one front wheel.I am not trying to diss this brush only my feelings for what it`s worth.

No 'dissing' just good feedback. The latest versions do have improved edge definition, bristle density and ability.

do you still have any of the brass fan jets you were selling?
i loved these as they had a good splay of water and last ages.
ive just about finished off a red superlite dual trim after 18mths hard usage and i am going to remove the fan jets for another brush.

i may get a couple of the new sill brushes to try out ,

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.

More bristle bunches, closer together on the edge 5cm of the brush, also all edge bristle bunches starting slightly in from the edge compared to the originals. This has made quite a difference to the usability and longevity of the brush.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: richard jagger on January 29, 2013, 08:00:43 pm
Thanks Alex.I look forward to see the new sill brush. O yes people can be a bit senative on th
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 08:02:17 pm
do you still have any of the brass fan jets you were selling?
i loved these as they had a good splay of water and last ages.
ive just about finished off a red superlite dual trim after 18mths hard usage and i am going to remove the fan jets for another brush.

i may get a couple of the new sill brushes to try out ,

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.


These ones? - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/fan-jets-standard-40-degree-x2.html
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Carl@Cwc on January 29, 2013, 08:10:39 pm
do you still have any of the brass fan jets you were selling?
i loved these as they had a good splay of water and last ages.
ive just about finished off a red superlite dual trim after 18mths hard usage and i am going to remove the fan jets for another brush.

i may get a couple of the new sill brushes to try out ,

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.


These ones? - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/fan-jets-standard-40-degree-x2.html

No not them m8, these are brass straight through.
Title: Re: black gardiner sill brushes
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 29, 2013, 08:27:53 pm
do you still have any of the brass fan jets you were selling?
i loved these as they had a good splay of water and last ages.
ive just about finished off a red superlite dual trim after 18mths hard usage and i am going to remove the fan jets for another brush.

i may get a couple of the new sill brushes to try out ,

what are the differences on the new sill brushes alex.
i loved your idea it just didnt last very long.


These ones? - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/fan-jets-standard-40-degree-x2.html

No not them m8, these are brass straight through.

Hi Carl

We have never sold those type - was it Cleantech or Cleaningspot that you got them from?