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Title: Payload Question
Post by: Jack Harris on January 24, 2013, 08:15:27 pm
If a van has a 600 payload what is the max size tank you'd all recommend fitting? the system will be a 1 user system.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 08:16:22 pm
If a van has a 600 payload what is the max size tank you'd all recommend fitting? the system will be a 1 user system.


i have a berlingo rated at 600kg, i have a 400lt tank with a 2 man set up,
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Jack Harris on January 24, 2013, 08:19:10 pm
Does the van drive fine with that size tank mate? as i have the same van.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 08:20:51 pm
Does the van drive fine with that size tank mate? as i have the same van.

mines a 'Y' reg 1.9d and drives fine, bit slow up hills but still goes fine.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: AuRavelling79 on January 24, 2013, 08:24:22 pm
If a van has a 600 payload what is the max size tank you'd all recommend fitting? the system will be a 1 user system.


i have a berlingo rated at 600kg, i have a 400lt tank with a 2 man set up,

With two men on board and a full tank that would be over the payload limit.

As a one man I would say that a 400 is the limit in a 600kg berlingo.

The hdi engine will be better but the 1.9 will "do".
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Jack Harris on January 24, 2013, 08:25:36 pm
Ill go with a 400L one then as i was only going to get a 300L in the berlingo as it was for smaller jobs etc but the more water it can carry the better :)
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 08:29:11 pm
If a van has a 600 payload what is the max size tank you'd all recommend fitting? the system will be a 1 user system.


i have a berlingo rated at 600kg, i have a 400lt tank with a 2 man set up,

With two men on board and a full tank that would be over the payload limit.

As a one man I would say that a 400 is the limit in a 600kg berlingo.

The hdi engine will be better but the 1.9 will "do".


No not over payload, when I fitted it out I fully loaded it even with my triple set of ladders on roof, took it to a weigh bridge and had it weighed to make sure, got the print out of the results too!
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Mike #1 on January 24, 2013, 08:32:46 pm
It must be borderline though Richard . Mike
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: home6442 on January 24, 2013, 08:38:32 pm
Would depend on the weight of the 2 men.
400 lts water = 400kg
2  13 stone men =165kg
Thats 35 kg for everything else.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 08:39:26 pm
It must be borderline though Richard . Mike

Yer think there was about 20-30kg in it.

The triple ladders are never kept on the van only carry them when I do my gutter jobs so tanks are always empty when I do them.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: paul saunders on January 24, 2013, 09:07:50 pm
Would depend on the weight of the 2 men.
400 lts water = 400kg
2  13 stone men =165kg
Thats 35 kg for everything else.

+tank 30+kg
+ fuel say 30l =30kg
+ reel ?
+ poles
+ miscellaneous bit and Bob
And you're waaaaaaay over your payload!!!
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 09:11:18 pm
Would depend on the weight of the 2 men.
400 lts water = 400kg
2  13 stone men =165kg
Thats 35 kg for everything else.

+tank 30+kg
+ fuel say 30l =30kg
+ reel ?
+ poles
+ miscellaneous bit and Bob
And you're waaaaaaay over your payload!!!

So if guess the public weighbridge that the local police use to check vehicles must be wrong then!
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: paul saunders on January 24, 2013, 09:19:26 pm
I'm not saying that they're wrong, but if you do the maths you will see that the total = more than 600kg. When you put your van on the weigh bridge did it have two people in it?.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Spruce on January 24, 2013, 09:22:00 pm
Would depend on the weight of the 2 men.
400 lts water = 400kg
2  13 stone men =165kg
Thats 35 kg for everything else.

+tank 30+kg
+ fuel say 30l =30kg
+ reel ?
+ poles
+ miscellaneous bit and Bob
And you're waaaaaaay over your payload!!!

So if guess the public weighbridge that the local police use to check vehicles must be wrong then!


When I was working for Citroen, the Berlingo (1999 - 2005) van had a 70 kg allowance calculated into the payload for the driver. So if you weigh 60kgs your 600 LX had a payload of 610 kgs. If you weigh over 70 kgs then you have to remove the difference from your payload.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 09:29:15 pm
I'm not saying that they're wrong, but if you do the maths you will see that the total = more than 600kg. When you put your van on the weigh bridge did it have two people in it?.

i know what you are saying. yer had me and my misses in the van at the time of doing it.

keep meaning to check it out again since i have changed it about so might do that tomorrow as im passing the place as im working out that way.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: home6442 on January 24, 2013, 11:07:26 pm
Tank full of fuel is not counted in payload
You still have 600kg with a full fuel tank.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: windiewasher on January 24, 2013, 11:10:14 pm
Dont use brodex poles and you will be fine  ;D
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Spruce on January 24, 2013, 11:12:33 pm
Tank full of fuel is not counted in payload
You still have 600kg with a full fuel tank.

Yes it is counted, so that's 50kg to take off if the tank is full.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 11:16:45 pm
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 24, 2013, 11:34:47 pm
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 24, 2013, 11:42:03 pm
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
the post isnt about me no, but im answering all the people that say about the weight issue,
as i have said i loaded my van up and took it to a publicweight bridge that the police use also to check weights and mine was fine and passed with not being over weight.
plus i never give out bad advise, especially when it comes to safety and law!

plus i would like to know where i have put that i have a second man work with me?? i might have a 2 person set up but i work on my own and only had one person help me for one day back in march last year!
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: Ian101 on January 24, 2013, 11:51:58 pm
i know someone who has a combo which is 605kg payload goes 2 up with a 500 litre tank it does sit a little low when full though  ;)
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 25, 2013, 12:08:13 am
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
the post isnt about me no, but im answering all the people that say about the weight issue,
as i have said i loaded my van up and took it to a publicweight bridge that the police use also to check weights and mine was fine and passed with not being over weight.
plus i never give out bad advise, especially when it comes to safety and law!

plus i would like to know where i have put that i have a second man work with me?? i might have a 2 person set up but i work on my own and only had one person help me for one day back in march last year!
I was kidding about the 2nd man :P  But now you have mentioned it,you might want to check back your posts,No 155 in particular,says you do blocks of flats, and you have got the time down to four hours with............wait for it.............TWO men ;D ;D
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 12:20:16 am
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
the post isnt about me no, but im answering all the people that say about the weight issue,
as i have said i loaded my van up and took it to a publicweight bridge that the police use also to check weights and mine was fine and passed with not being over weight.
plus i never give out bad advise, especially when it comes to safety and law!

plus i would like to know where i have put that i have a second man work with me?? i might have a 2 person set up but i work on my own and only had one person help me for one day back in march last year!
I was kidding about the 2nd man :P  But now you have mentioned it,you might want to check back your posts,No 155 in particular,says you do blocks of flats, and you have got the time down to four hours with............wait for it.............TWO men ;D ;D

u been sad enough to read everything i have posted then?? lol
i have a friend that comes to help me that has his own window cleaning van, thats why we can do it 4 hours, him one side of the complex and me the other! lol
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 25, 2013, 12:35:36 am
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
the post isnt about me no, but im answering all the people that say about the weight issue,
as i have said i loaded my van up and took it to a publicweight bridge that the police use also to check weights and mine was fine and passed with not being over weight.
plus i never give out bad advise, especially when it comes to safety and law!

plus i would like to know where i have put that i have a second man work with me?? i might have a 2 person set up but i work on my own and only had one person help me for one day back in march last year!
I was kidding about the 2nd man :P  But now you have mentioned it,you might want to check back your posts,No 155 in particular,says you do blocks of flats, and you have got the time down to four hours with............wait for it.............TWO men ;D ;D

u been sad enough to read everything i have posted then?? lol
i have a friend that comes to help me that has his own window cleaning van, thats why we can do it 4 hours, him one side of the complex and me the other! lol
I just remembered you had posted recently about doin blocks of flats and there were TWO of you that's all ;)





But I suppose I must be a little sad.....Try 253,says TWO men working from YOUR van! lol ;D ;D ;D ;D  
My advice to you would be..Keep it real and you won't trip yourself up ;)
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 12:40:24 am
Never have full tank, unless I'm driving to parents house, only put in £10 at a time,saves on weight! It lasts me 2-3 days so not bad, plus got garage just down the road.
But this post is not about you,the OP asked what size of tank people would recommend for his van,you recommended a 400 litre tank which in most cases(apart from you because you only put ladders on when tank is empty or you only put a tenner o diesel in at a time,and the 2nd man in the van is built like Lester Piggot etc etc)will be overweight,so you gave bad advice IMO
the post isnt about me no, but im answering all the people that say about the weight issue,
as i have said i loaded my van up and took it to a publicweight bridge that the police use also to check weights and mine was fine and passed with not being over weight.
plus i never give out bad advise, especially when it comes to safety and law!

plus i would like to know where i have put that i have a second man work with me?? i might have a 2 person set up but i work on my own and only had one person help me for one day back in march last year!
I was kidding about the 2nd man :P  But now you have mentioned it,you might want to check back your posts,No 155 in particular,says you do blocks of flats, and you have got the time down to four hours with............wait for it.............TWO men ;D ;D

u been sad enough to read everything i have posted then?? lol
i have a friend that comes to help me that has his own window cleaning van, thats why we can do it 4 hours, him one side of the complex and me the other! lol
I just remembered you had posted recently about doin blocks of flats and there were TWO of you that's all ;)





But I suppose I must be a little sad.....Try 253,says TWO men working from YOUR van! lol ;D ;D ;D ;D   
My advice to you would be..Keep it real and you won't trip yourself up ;)
Thing is you keep tripping yourself up.Keep it real ;)

post 253 dont say anything about 2 working from my van! back in march last year i had one guy work with me for one day thats tho only time i have had 2 men work from my van
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 25, 2013, 12:47:49 am
Tut Tut,read it slowly it clearly says "I have TWO men working from my van AT TIMES"  PLURAL
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 01:01:19 am
Tut Tut,read it slowly it clearly says "I have TWO men working from my van AT TIMES"  PLURAL

still dont mean a thing.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: richard jagger on January 25, 2013, 06:18:57 am
And hole gets deeper.I know you want to be helpful.You will make yourself unpopular trying to hard Mate.
Try not to put yourself in the forefront of every discussion it will only leed to rejection by this forum. I mean this in the best way possible. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 07:42:15 am
And hole gets deeper.I know you want to be helpful.You will make yourself unpopular trying to hard Mate.
Try not to put yourself in the forefront of every discussion it will only leed to rejection by this forum. I mean this in the best way possible. ;) ;) ;)

Thing is I'm not trying to hard, just sharing my knowledge etc with everyone, and when someone attacks it i'll answer it,
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: richard jagger on January 25, 2013, 01:31:12 pm
Carry on you will soon learn.Not every thing you say is fact some times others know better.Bashing away at every subject will only create the situation were every one gives you a wide birth. I know been there done that,and I am still learning.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: EandM on January 25, 2013, 01:47:26 pm
Would depend on the weight of the 2 men.
400 lts water = 400kg
2  13 stone men =165kg
Thats 35 kg for everything else.

Remember that an empty 400 litre tank weighs about 25kg
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 01:49:02 pm
Carry on you will soon learn.Not every thing you say is fact some times others know better.Bashing away at every subject will only create the situation were every one gives you a wide birth. I know been there done that,and I am still learning.

thanks for your concern and advise,
but as far as i know with alot of the stuff i have said in pasted like anything to do with electric, gas, pumbing it spot on as i've worked in this and still do for the past 15 years, thats the other side of my company and have to keep upto date with them,
as for other stuff, i know everyone has there own way of doing it. i say how i do it and everyone else says its rubbish or start attacking it, like on this post, just saying what van i have and that i have had it checked at a weightbridge that the police use and it passed without a problem,
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 25, 2013, 08:14:28 pm
Tut Tut,read it slowly it clearly says "I have TWO men working from my van AT TIMES"  PLURAL

still dont mean a thing.
What it does mean is that you have been telling porkies :-*
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 08:17:22 pm
Tut Tut,read it slowly it clearly says "I have TWO men working from my van AT TIMES"  PLURAL

still dont mean a thing.
What it does mean is that you have been telling porkies :-*

Not at all.  
Anyway end of as this isn't the place for this
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 25, 2013, 08:58:49 pm
You are right Richard,no hard feelings eh! actually I find a lot of your posts interesting and informative,you are quite clearly a bit of a handyman,which I defo am not :-[
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 25, 2013, 09:06:28 pm
You are right Richard,no hard feelings eh! actually I find a lot of your posts interesting and informative,you are quite clearly a bit of a handyman,which I defo am not :-[

Hard feelings? What are they? Lol like banter at times makes things more interesting.
Thanks, yer dads been in the building trade for about 40years so picked up alot, plus for the past 15 years been in the trade too, only in the last 2years decided to expand into window cleaning too.
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 26, 2013, 12:02:12 am
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: EandM on January 26, 2013, 12:28:03 am
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?

Have to wait 'till dawn  ;D
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 26, 2013, 07:27:51 am
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?

Lol
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 26, 2013, 11:25:49 am
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?
;D ;D     
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 26, 2013, 11:27:15 am
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?
;D ;D    


so you want squeege's or poles at 20 paces???? lol
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: KS Cleaning on January 26, 2013, 05:18:55 pm
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?
;D ;D    


so you want squeege's or poles at 20 paces???? lol
Either or for me Rich,I will have my employees with me for back up just incase you get lucky!,you will be on your own............won't you? :P
Title: Re: Payload Question
Post by: R.C Property on January 26, 2013, 05:20:24 pm
Why dont you two put your hand bags down and have a proper old scrap?
;D ;D    


so you want squeege's or poles at 20 paces???? lol
Either or for me Rich,I will have my employees with me for back up just incase you get lucky!,you will be on your own............won't you? :P

lol got my misses and daughter! lol