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Title: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: BDCS on January 21, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
Water recovery and the whole shooting match on one trailer. I think you'd end up spending the whole day changing filters as the capacity is too small. I would'nt use a petrol washer and I doubt if the halogen lights would last long. The idea is good. Poor chap with somewhat unfortunate name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn8luKWSo3Y
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 21, 2013, 10:24:19 pm
We mounted halogens on our trailer, eventually the brackets snapped and out of 3, 2 of the bulbs went all due to vibes etc.
We now just attach when setting up at the job.

Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 21, 2013, 10:26:36 pm
Also Greg is no Tom Durbin at making it sound good!  ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 08:08:44 am
Compact, but they do love an "open trailer" the americans, great if you are in drier states.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 22, 2013, 09:34:39 am
Why do they just bolt things to trailers? How many engines do they need to keep running at one time?They are carrying two different fuels. One good diesel engine would run an  alternator and pressure washer pump and sump pump.
The vacuum head could be mounted on to of the filter system no need to bolt the hoover to it.
I doubt that the vacuum system recovers all of the water...so what percentage can we "lose" before we are infringement of regulations?
The light should all be smd's as a splash of water on the halogens ...they will blow.
How do you empty the poop out of the interceptor tank? That really needs some sort of "baging" system on it .
Maybe they dont really have dirty drives in the good ole' US of A
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 11:24:11 am
Majority of drives in the states are plain concrete, they do have block but around 90% of those are sealed, sealing is a lot more popular over there then here.
So they don't really have the "sand" issue that we have with block.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 12:28:42 pm
From what I've seen too they don't have an issue with moss in joints either
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 12:52:04 pm
From what I've seen too they don't have an issue with moss in joints either

They are also in PIC in a big way too, so basically they are cleaning smoother surfaces without the sand, moss issues, only grit and dirt.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 02:42:20 pm
Roger have you tried F9 BARC?

I've enquired to have some shipped over. I had a response on quantity to which 1 unit was my reply and I've not heard back yet. Think I'm being dodged now as it's not a large order.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 22, 2013, 03:02:55 pm
Tensid do  a rust remover ..It works but it is slow and really needs to be applied as a poltice. I do not know if it's suitable to your job/application. http://tensiduk.com/ (http://tensiduk.com/)
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 03:18:25 pm
Roger have you tried F9 BARC?

I've enquired to have some shipped over. I had a response on quantity to which 1 unit was my reply and I've not heard back yet. Think I'm being dodged now as it's not a large order.

No Lee I haven't, same here when I have tried to get even samples sent over, not interested if the volume is going to be small, saying that thought Techniseal did send over one of there "wonder" sands for block, and unfortunately it was crap!!

What are you trying remove with the Barc, as Chris stated Tensid do some good rust removers, pending on what type of "rust" it is. I have used a lot of there products, so let me know what you are removing and I might have the answer.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 04:15:33 pm
We do this loading bay roughly every 3-4 months, you can't tell here as the image is from Google 2008 but there's rust all over the concrete from the skips.

I've used HC on it and lightened it and tried Oxalic but that was a small quantity and didn't know how to mix it.

I've never used tensid, I might ask for a sample.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/49cp.jpg)
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 22, 2013, 04:27:39 pm
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 04:42:11 pm
We do this loading bay roughly every 3-4 months, you can't tell here as the image is from Google 2008 but there's rust all over the concrete from the skips.

I've used HC on it and lightened it and tried Oxalic but that was a small quantity and didn't know how to mix it.

I've never used tensid, I might ask for a sample.


You could try either Limestone restorer or 600 detergent (both HC blends) from Tensid, they do poultice's but don't think they will work for you in this situation. They will send you samples. Re the Ox seeing as it is on white concrete, I'd go 500grams per lt, problem is you would have to do the whole area as it will brighten and really stand out
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 04:59:44 pm
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!

Hasn't harmed the concrete and the mix wasn't too strong. It brought out quite a lot. This was early December when we last did it so as we don't do much on rust removal, or get requests for them, the next time around on this will be an ideal job to test new chems on.

Contacted Richard and he's sending a sample.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 22, 2013, 05:06:33 pm
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!

Hasn't harmed the concrete and the mix wasn't too strong. It brought out quite a lot. This was early December when we last did it so as we don't do much on rust removal, or get requests for them, the next time around on this will be an ideal job to test new chems on.

Contacted Richard and he's sending a sample.
Just looked at the post again...i was not questioning your use of hydrochloric acid ...i was suggesting try it!!!I did not know what reaction it would have on the substrate!
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 05:25:53 pm
We buy HC in at 36% and dilute down for brick cleaning but I wouldn't put it down neat. Any damage wouldn't be noticed though to be honest as it's not in the best condition anyway.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Rob_Mac on January 22, 2013, 06:28:05 pm
Would you like me to come over with my Mossy?? :P - you need the right gear my friend  ;D

Rob ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 06:55:22 pm
Rob only a chem would shift it.  :)

Hey Rob, you weren't on the ball today on ebay was ya!  ;)
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Rob_Mac on January 22, 2013, 06:56:20 pm
What have you had?

Rob ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 07:07:30 pm
L100N Hilta for £550! New seals fitted in the pump too, not bad.  :)
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Rob_Mac on January 22, 2013, 07:15:04 pm
Is that 15LPM @ 3000PSI?

Rob ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 22, 2013, 08:14:40 pm
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!

Surely Smartseal would have told you the do's & don'ts of using HC on one of their courses? or maybe not it seems
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 08:20:29 pm
Is that 15LPM @ 3000PSI?

Rob ;D

Yes mate, 201 pump.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Rob_Mac on January 22, 2013, 08:24:11 pm
I've got four Lee - have to do better than that.

I am going to be putting them in a van - on top of each other to give me 30LPM with a reverse splitter and or 60 LPM as one unit.

Might seem a little OTT but its not costing me anything and they are only hanging around the unit. Just need to strip them down a little and get a couple of frames built

Rob ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 08:52:05 pm
Rob it's not a race to see who's got the most machines or the biggest set of bo**cks!  ;D

That's my plan though too for some flat surface cleaning jobs with continuous flow from hydrant filling tanks, I've already got the check valves.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Rob_Mac on January 22, 2013, 09:00:07 pm
I'd lose on that one Lee - wasn't blessed in that region. Trying to fill a van up before I buy anything else. did you know I won the Mosmatic from Bedford!!!! ;D

Rob ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: trevor perry on January 22, 2013, 09:02:04 pm
Rob it's not a race to see who's got the most machines or the biggest set of bo**cks!  ;D

That's my plan though too for some flat surface cleaning jobs with continuous flow from hydrant filling tanks, I've already got the check valves.
Lee you dont need to go down that route just put two 03 size turbo nozzles on your flat surface cleaner it moves anything and you can nearly run with it, well you can for about twenty seconds but the minute the nozzle strikes the smallest thing it snaps from the bar and fires about 100metres down the road  luckily it didnt hit anything or it could of been an expensive experiment, it was worth a try but wont be doing it again ;D ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 09:10:08 pm
Rob it's not a race to see who's got the most machines or the biggest set of bo**cks!  ;D

That's my plan though too for some flat surface cleaning jobs with continuous flow from hydrant filling tanks, I've already got the check valves.
Lee you dont need to go down that route just put two 03 size turbo nozzles on your flat surface cleaner it moves anything and you can nearly run with it, well you can for about twenty seconds but the minute the nozzle strikes the smallest thing it snaps from the bar and fires about 100metres down the road  luckily it didnt hit anything or it could of been an expensive experiment, it was worth a try but wont be doing it again ;D ;D

Hahaha is that what happened Trev?  ;D ;D ;D

Did you just fit direct with 1/4 male males? What surface did you try on?
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: trevor perry on January 22, 2013, 09:17:27 pm
yes just connected with double males, i tried it on some really bad block paving and could not believe how good it worked, i have not totally given up on the idea but it is going to take a bit of rethinking i have something in mind but not got round to making it, believe me if i can get this to work you would not believe how fast it is
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 22, 2013, 09:31:00 pm
You've got me on to having a play now. What was the bar rotation like? Could do with talking to some plastic moulding companies, take in the cover off a whirlaway and ask them to copy but deep pan and probably bigger diameter.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 22, 2013, 11:41:41 pm
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!

Surely Smartseal would have told you the do's & don'ts of using HC on one of their courses? or maybe not it seems
No i fell asleep through that bit...Could i interest you in a cleenezee catalogue?
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 23, 2013, 10:33:40 am
Hydrochloric acid ??? It dissolves rust..just don't know what it will do to the concrete !!!!

Surely Smartseal would have told you the do's & don'ts of using HC on one of their courses? or maybe not it seems
No i fell asleep through that bit...Could i interest you in a cleenezee catalogue?

Thanks Chris but No, but would be interested in a Tupperware catalogue if you have one, as I need to get some new storage containers.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: chris scott on January 23, 2013, 01:12:05 pm
Rodger.... if you took the time to read my signature you would realize i don't do tuppaware!!  Smart-arse-seal and kleenezzzee only quality products for the discerning contractor.
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Blast Away on January 23, 2013, 09:32:05 pm
Reply from Craig at F9;

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Hi Lee,

Well I do hope that you are sitting down because your Fed Ex shipping price, excluding duties & taxes, Is $565.00.

Down the road I may look at setting up a blending facility in the UK.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: water recovery & washer trailer
Post by: Roger Oakley on January 23, 2013, 10:03:23 pm
That's the main problem Lee, shipping cost's, I'm pretty sure the Tensid samples will improve the rust situation, another thing you could try is citric acid, slightly less aggressive the the Ox but does the same thing.