Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dave f on January 12, 2013, 07:21:49 am
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ive been thinking about ordering a phonix carbon fiber pole has any body had extensive use of one ive been using gardiners for a while i fancied a change .
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how can anybody have extensive use of one as they ve only been out a few months! ;D ;D ;D
just buy one mate!
i must admit the clamps look good.
i wont be buying one though as ive got a brand new 25ft stripped down SUPERMAX(its an SLX with ribbed sections!)as my main pole and 22ft CLX and a 40ft SUPERMAX.
in fact my new years resolution is to not buy any poles or expensive equipment this year.i already have spent a fair whack of money the last few years.
apart from the odd new brush,connectors etc im saving my money for a new van next year! ;) ;D ;D ;D
best wishes
dazmond
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i should have put any exprience. hey ho live and learn
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personally i would buy one, they are good, im buying 2 at the end of this month to upgrade my poles,
18ft full carbon, and the 26ft ultra light full carbon!
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will be putting our 26ul up for sale shortly
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Y??
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they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass
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they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass
Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.
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they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass
Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.
The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.
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will be putting our 26ul up for sale shortly
why?
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they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass
Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.
The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.
Oh yer, can remember you saying about that final layer now.
I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?
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they aint full carbon fibre, the base section is fibreglass
Even the gardiner poles aren't either, all the base sections are like that for protection against electric shocks.
The SLX & Super-Max 'full carbon poles' have carbon fibre base sections with a very thin insulative layer (about 0.20mm) applied as a final wrap on top of the carbon section - therefore this is not 'as' the Phoenix is, as the Phoenix has a 100% fibre glass handle section.
Oh yer, can remember you saying about that final layer now.
I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?
Water running down the pole will conduct electricity even with a full fibreglass base.
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I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?
It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.
We have sold over 10,000 of these carbon poles over the last 4-5 years and they have consistently performed well - to my knowledge we have had 2 real world situations where the tops of these poles have hit overhead power cables and have exploded/melted - in each of these cases the user at the bottom has felt nothing and has been completely safe despite holding a destroyed pole.
Also our poles are currently in use by one of the world's top aerospace company in the manufacture of planes and space shuttles. These poles have been tested by this company for electrical conductivity due to the arenas they are being used in - they have passed with flying colours.
I am confident that the measures taken represent the best option available whilst maintaining pole performance. However as has been mentioned when working with a pole pumping water in a wet environment nothing should be taken for granted!
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It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.
Water Fed Pole competition aside.... You mean to tell us that 0.20mm of fibreglass would need "more than a scratch".... I can't see 0.20mm of most materials needing much a knock at all to pierce... Anyone else agree with that?
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I don't mean this the wrong way or anything, it's just a general question,
Fibre glass is not conductive, carbon is
Could if the pole gets scratched around the base sections of the pole scrap off that fine layer and expose the carbon under it? Or is it hard enough coat to avoid this?
It would have to be more than a scratch to penetrate into the carbon core of the section. It would consist of real damage and would be easily noticed.
We have sold over 10,000 of these carbon poles over the last 4-5 years and they have consistently performed well - to my knowledge we have had 2 real world situations where the tops of these poles have hit overhead power cables and have exploded/melted - in each of these cases the user at the bottom has felt nothing and has been completely safe despite holding a destroyed pole.
Also our poles are currently in use by one of the world's top aerospace company in the manufacture of planes and space shuttles. These poles have been tested by this company for electrical conductivity due to the arenas they are being used in - they have passed with flying colours.
I am confident that the measures taken represent the best option available whilst maintaining pole performance. However as has been mentioned when working with a pole pumping water in a wet environment nothing should be taken for granted!
Thanks for the answer, just wondering that's all as with other tools that we have used in other trades had a protective cover but any damage we had to get them check out or changed.
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just wondering could all the sections be covered this way to stop black hands
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Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.
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Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.
That depends on the thickness of the paper! ;D
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Just to give people a idea that 0.20mm is about the thickness of 4 sheet of a4 paper.
That depends on the thickness of the paper! ;D
The average sheet of 20lb copier paper is 0.0038 inches thick, 0.09652mm
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Just found something else that's 0.02mm thick.
Sagami Original 0.02 non-latex condoms are only 0.02mm (20 microns) thick, approximately one third the thickness of a standard latex condom
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just wondering could all the sections be covered this way to stop black hands
They could.
We do produce a specialist range of poles for a large US corporation (non WFP) which has every section manufactured in this way. They like the thought of having every section insulated in the industry that they work in.
They would no doubt perform similarly to the CLX range in not producing carbon dust as early in their life cycle. However from our testing we have found that even a thin layer of fibre glass does slightly affect the performance of the tube section compared to 100% carbon fibre especially when on every section. Currently we are happier to provide a full carbon pole with the outer layer of fibre glass only on the base sections to maximize performance.
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This is interesting, as if we go down the route of a carbon base section the Phoenix poles will be the worlds lightest fully telescopic water fed poles with the new range we have coming out.
Is this really needed I'm thinking? Safety a bigger issue over being a few grams lighter? Any thoughts?
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the Phoenix poles will be the worlds lightest fully telescopic water fed poles with the new range
ARE YOU 100% SURE ABOUT THIS!!!!!
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just wondering could all the sections be covered this way to stop black hands
They could.
We do produce a specialist range of poles for a large US corporation (non WFP) which has every section manufactured in this way. They like the thought of having every section insulated in the industry that they work in.
They would no doubt perform similarly to the CLX range in not producing carbon dust as early in their life cycle. However from our testing we have found that even a thin layer of fibre glass does slightly affect the performance of the tube section compared to 100% carbon fibre especially when on every section. Currently we are happier to provide a full carbon pole with the outer layer of fibre glass only on the base sections to maximize performance.
The base section of a pole being fibreglass has absolutely no effect on the performance on a pole, apart from being safer and adding a few grams extra weight.
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the Phoenix poles will be the worlds lightest fully telescopic water fed poles with the new range
ARE YOU 100% SURE ABOUT THIS!!!!!
Yes! (Without the shouting!)
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The base section of a pole being fibreglass has absolutely no effect on the performance on a pole, apart from being safer and adding a few grams extra weight.
I disagree, a fiberglass is not as strong as carbon fiber, and breaks/cracks easier, i am speaking from ecxperience of having a carbon pole with a fiberglass base section. If it has a carbon fiber base section, i pretty sure it would not have cracked.
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Lee, I do not doubt what you are saying as there are a lot of different quality materials out there which do not perform. After selling thousands of poles like this it has proven to be a non issue, don't think I've ever seen a broken base section.
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Just found something else that's 0.02mm thick.
Sagami Original 0.02 non-latex condoms are only 0.02mm (20 microns) thick, approximately one third the thickness of a standard latex condom
What a k n o b :P
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Just found something else that's 0.02mm thick.
Sagami Original 0.02 non-latex condoms are only 0.02mm (20 microns) thick, approximately one third the thickness of a standard latex condom
What a k n o b :P
Well can see your mentality so at least the simple comparison works! :P
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Here we go again. Some people can not help themselves.
I was seriously thinking of buying 3 new 'different' poles. Unfortunately after reading this topic, I am not going to be going ahead with that.
I will stick to my original decision to buy all my equipment from one supplier.
I will let you all decide who I am not and who I am 'sticking' with. I think it is pretty clear just from these few posts in this topic.
Many thanks for helping me decide. :)
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Here we go again. Some people can not help themselves.
I was seriously thinking of buying 3 new 'different' poles. Unfortunately after reading this topic, I am not going to be going ahead with that.
I will stick to my original decision to buy all my equipment from one supplier.
I will let you all decide who I am not and who I am 'sticking' with. I think it is pretty clear just from these few posts in this topic.
Many thanks for helping me decide. :)
I just like to get all the facts of everything, coming from the work background I do I'm always asking questions about products, the making of them and safety.
Working with tools that are designed to be used on live 240v electric and know that even a scrach could allow the power through to the hands if the hands was over that scratch, so I'm just interested in things.
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calm down calm down , ;D ;Di only wanted an opinion not world war 3
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Here we go again. Some people can not help themselves.
I was seriously thinking of buying 3 new 'different' poles. Unfortunately after reading this topic, I am not going to be going ahead with that.
I will stick to my original decision to buy all my equipment from one supplier.
I will let you all decide who I am not and who I am 'sticking' with. I think it is pretty clear just from these few posts in this topic.
Many thanks for helping me decide. :)
I just like to get all the facts of everything, coming from the work background I do I'm always asking questions about products, the making of them and safety.
Working with tools that are designed to be used on live 240v electric and know that even a scrach could allow the power through to the hands if the hands was over that scratch, so I'm just interested in things.
I would suggest you learn the difference between 0.20 & 0.02 first. ;D
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so why do you use a decorators pole for window cleaning then, if you are so keen on having the right equipment? ;D
Modified... sorry you dont. mis read one of your old posts. lol
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so why do you use a decorators pole for window cleaning then, if you are so keen on having the right equipment? ;D
At the moment I use unger poles, even I know they are not decorators poles, and they are the cheaper right equipment,
If you can let me know where there is written that you have to use certain equipment??
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its the law of ciu. Didnt you know that Richard? ::)
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its the law of ciu. Didnt you know that Richard? ::)
Yer I know lots of members on here hate diy people, but I love it, its 10 times cheaper than buying named stuff! Lol
Like why buy a £600+ pole to do over job that you can get a cheaper one at the same height, for a job that you only do 4 times a year. I brought a unger pole that does that job and after the first job I was in profit, otherwise I would have to do that job 3 times before making any money! It's called business! Or if I took all costs in to the equations then I might have to work doing that one job for the year before making any money, being a year contract and have to go for it again each year, it's nothing worth spending all that for not earning anything better not doing the job if you look at business that way!
If I had more jobs that I need it for then I would of got a better pole.