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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 09:17:09 pm

Title: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 09:17:09 pm
How often do you flush your RO's and for how long?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 16, 2012, 09:20:21 pm
How often do you flush your RO's and for how long?
every time i fill about 15/20 mins , why do you ask Dave ?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Joe Martin on December 16, 2012, 09:21:40 pm
Our static has two 40/40 Ro's units a carbon and a softener, flush twice a week for about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: steven ainger on December 16, 2012, 09:26:36 pm
How often do you flush your RO's and for how long?
every time i fill about 15/20 mins , why do you ask Dave ?



+1
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 09:29:39 pm
How often do you flush your RO's and for how long?
every time i fill about 15/20 mins , why do you ask Dave ?

Because since I moved and got put on a meter I don't tend to flush that often, hence why possibly, my last set of membranes lasted only four months. I am going to flush for an hour every week now. Just curious to know what everyone else does.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 16, 2012, 09:34:59 pm
I process water in a soft water area (Cornwall - 95ppm) so I do not have to worry quite as much as some WC's. I like to flush the membrane for about 5 minutes before each tank fill (2500 litres). About once a month (when I remember!) I then also flush for about 30 minutes.

I have had my current HF4 membrane for about 2.5 years and it is still producing water at about 002ppm - input pressure of about 100psi.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 09:37:59 pm
Blimey  :o

My tds is around the 300 mark. It has been suggested that my 450gpd system may have been supplied with the wrong restrictor too. I used to get two and a half years out of my membranes.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 16, 2012, 09:39:23 pm
Blimey  :o

My tds is around the 300 mark. It has been suggested that my 450gpd system may have been supplied with the wrong restrictor too. I used to get two and a half years out of my membranes.

Which system did you have previously? A 300gpd or 450 gpd system?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 16, 2012, 09:40:39 pm
I process water in a soft water area (Cornwall - 95ppm) so I do not have to worry quite as much as some WC's. I like to flush the membrane for about 5 minutes before each tank fill (2500 litres). About once a month (when I remember!) I then also flush for about 30 minutes.

I have had my current HF4 membrane for about 2.5 years and it is still producing water at about 002ppm - input pressure of about 100psi.
that last part makes me green with envy my water is very hard but to be fair my membrane has lasted years flushing as I do
Dave I would be interested on the figures of what your doing
Cost over saving will be interesting.
I don't use a water softener for his reason against what some suppliers say ( not you Alex )
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: R.C Property on December 16, 2012, 09:44:40 pm
Blimey  :o

My tds is around the 300 mark. It has been suggested that my 450gpd system may have been supplied with the wrong restrictor too. I used to get two and a half years out of my membranes.
Wish i had 300ppm, our water is 450ppm to start with, flush my ro system (before resin) eachbday for 30 minutes. My membranes been in for over 2 years now, water out of them are coming out at 012ppm.

I'm on water meter too, don't worry about the cost of being on one there is nothing in it really.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 16, 2012, 09:47:52 pm
Dave any chance you could put a meter on your waste to test this to see if there really is a saving or a cost ?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 09:53:30 pm
Blimey  :o

My tds is around the 300 mark. It has been suggested that my 450gpd system may have been supplied with the wrong restrictor too. I used to get two and a half years out of my membranes.

Which system did you have previously? A 300gpd or 450 gpd system?

300gpd
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: wightsurf on December 16, 2012, 09:58:31 pm
I dont flush a great deal to be honest.
In fact i have not flushed for over2 weeks now.Best check tomorrow.And
when i do flush its only for a few minutes.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Mist A Bit on December 16, 2012, 10:06:33 pm
i flush with pure water from my system while i drive home and then its ready to produce when i arrive
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 16, 2012, 10:09:10 pm
Blimey  :o

My tds is around the 300 mark. It has been suggested that my 450gpd system may have been supplied with the wrong restrictor too. I used to get two and a half years out of my membranes.

Which system did you have previously? A 300gpd or 450 gpd system?

300gpd

This will be why,  in a hard water area, you are not getting as long from the membranes. By squeezing 150gpd from each membrane instead of the original 100gpd the material is more densely packed and in hard water areas this will lead to membrane clogging and fouling much more quickly than on the original 100gpd membranes. After a while even flushing will not remove this fouling and leads to a noticeable performance difference.

Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Dave Willis on December 16, 2012, 10:18:57 pm
Interesting, wish I'd known that before  ;D
The supplier obviously didn't think it important to tell their customers this.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: R.C Property on December 16, 2012, 10:35:14 pm
Interesting, wish I'd known that before  ;D
The supplier obviously didn't think it important to tell their customers this.

Some don't just see it as a sale!
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Moderator David@stives on December 16, 2012, 10:55:59 pm
I never flush
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: R.C Property on December 16, 2012, 10:58:35 pm
I never flush

Does the other half moan about that???  ;D
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Nick_Thompson on December 16, 2012, 11:15:51 pm
Has anyone looked in to possible membrane cleaning procedures, citric acid for example?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Moderator David@stives on December 16, 2012, 11:21:54 pm
stop being RC
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: R.C Property on December 16, 2012, 11:22:36 pm
stop being RC

Lol
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: mgba_78 on December 17, 2012, 07:34:24 am
How the hell do you flush a RO then?? LOL never done it system been in since August??  Have a source TDS of 140 though, nice and low  :)

What do i need do and i presume advanages are keeping the membrane in top condition??

Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 17, 2012, 08:12:34 am
How the hell do you flush a RO then?? LOL never done it system been in since August??  Have a source TDS of 140 though, nice and low  :)

What do i need do and i presume advanages are keeping the membrane in top condition??



To flush an RO membrane you would simply need to open fully the flush valve on the waste outlet of the RO.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Neil Gornall on December 17, 2012, 09:33:06 am
I am just in the process of replacing my RO (when the courier decides to deliver it)

Up to now i have been using a 450 gpd system, it is hardly ever turned off due to the amount of water we use. My tap TDS is about 400. 
My filters and membranes last at least 18 months- 2 years.
I never flush.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Ian101 on December 17, 2012, 05:13:18 pm
once a month for about an hour
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: G Griffin on December 17, 2012, 05:20:21 pm
stop being RC

He was only pulling your chain.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: wightsurf on December 17, 2012, 07:57:28 pm
stop being RC

He was only pulling your chain.

put a lid on it  ;D
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: SB Cleaning on December 17, 2012, 08:03:14 pm
I flush my .ro once a week for 15-20mins
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: poleman on December 17, 2012, 08:12:47 pm
40/40 hard water area tds of 350 I flush every day when filling up! (1500lts)
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 17, 2012, 08:19:55 pm
How the hell do you flush a RO then?? LOL never done it system been in since August??  Have a source TDS of 140 though, nice and low  :)

What do i need do and i presume advanages are keeping the membrane in top condition??


and diconnect from the resin chamber as the tds rises when first starting it off

To flush an RO membrane you would simply need to open fully the flush valve on the waste outlet of the RO.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: mgba_78 on December 17, 2012, 10:00:43 pm
How the hell do you flush a RO then?? LOL never done it system been in since August??  Have a source TDS of 140 though, nice and low  :)

What do i need do and i presume advanages are keeping the membrane in top condition??



To flush an RO membrane you would simply need to open fully the flush valve on the waste outlet of the RO.

Still confused???? 
I have a 40" Axeon HF5 4040 RO
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 17, 2012, 11:25:17 pm
How the hell do you flush a RO then?? LOL never done it system been in since August??  Have a source TDS of 140 though, nice and low  :)

What do i need do and i presume advanages are keeping the membrane in top condition??



To flush an RO membrane you would simply need to open fully the flush valve on the waste outlet of the RO.

Still confused???? 
I have a 40" Axeon HF5 4040 RO
you should have three pipes coming out the the membrane housing one where the water goes in from the prefilters, then the other end you should have two pipes one is connected to your di vessel, the other is your waste pipe (this pipe should have some sort of tap on it turn it to flush the system. if you take a photo we could help you more
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: mgba_78 on December 18, 2012, 07:16:55 am
Yeah i have the three pipes, water in to RO, water to DI and the water to waste, this does have a stop.

So i just turn this off?

Basically the water will be going to waste all will be going through the RO, unconnect DI and run all this to waste?
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Alex Gardiner on December 18, 2012, 07:45:23 am
Yeah i have the three pipes, water in to RO, water to DI and the water to waste, this does have a stop.

So i just turn this off?

Basically the water will be going to waste all will be going through the RO, unconnect DI and run all this to waste?

If you could take a photo of this 'stop' on the waste valve - I can then say what should be done to flush it.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 18, 2012, 12:12:06 pm
Yeah i have the three pipes, water in to RO, water to DI and the water to waste, this does have a stop.

So i just turn this off?

Basically the water will be going to waste all will be going through the RO, unconnect DI and run all this to waste?
basically yes, but a picture would help see what you have as having to guess your system, you may have a di bypass fitted

Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Steve foster on December 18, 2012, 09:08:22 pm
My 4040 is about 5 years old. Tap tds 130 and tank dts .004 Hardly ever flush during fill ups, will back flush with tank water every now and then. Dont use resin either.
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Window Washers on December 18, 2012, 11:23:29 pm
My 4040 is about 5 years old. Tap tds 130 and tank dts .004 Hardly ever flush during fill ups, will back flush with tank water every now and then. Dont use resin either.
your lucky move 50 miles away and it would be a different story
Title: Re: The importance of flushing?
Post by: Steve foster on December 20, 2012, 03:24:21 pm
To be honest my RO is about stuffed. My mains pressure is around 75psi and if I fill with only a small amount of waste the TDS is 015, but found out by having more waste water, thus dropping the pressure to 60psi, the TDS is fine.